Paizo's ORC and Guarded Optimism | D&D OGL 1.1
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HEY LOOK HERE. BEFORE YOU COMMENT: (1) i KNOW a lot of groups/companies are on it, and (2) i KNOW Paizo intends to give it to a non-profit
HOWEVER, i don't trust ANY corpos inherently, even when they seem to have good intentions or morals. i especially don't trust a corpo when they're trying to be friends. whatever they say or intend matters FAR less than what actually happens and what is written. also, I've seen too many millionaires/billionaires 'donating their fortunes to non-profits' that they secretly own.
i will always encourage skepticism, including towards me. but ALSO i'm tired of reading the same thing and replying the same way. so unless it says something different i'm not gonna reply
I'm looking forward to the Post DnD series tbh. Sooner the better because I'm having a hard time convincing my group to jump ship even now.
While I am favorable to capitalism, CORPORATIONS ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS
I am looking forward to the PostD&D series.
The best thing out of this OGL debacle is that I found your channel, and love it
I've been playing D&D since 1977, and have seen many things happen. So, I understand your fear and skepticism on this. But, you're missing 1 key point about the ORC. Until a non-profit is found to take over, THE LAW FIRM will own the license. None of the game companies who could profit from any changes to the ORC will EVER have the ability to control changes. Each company will submit their own SRD, detailing what things from their systems are open source. They can add to that list with updates as they see fit, but they can NEVER remove things from their list. Creators using the ORC can use anything covered by it, from as many different companies as they want, to craft their content. Even if 1 or more companies decide later to opt out of ORC for future projects, everything they added before dropping out will still be covered. The non-profit they're looking to, and a great choice if they accept, is the Linux Foundation. They have a long history of managing open source licensing for internet software. You should research them. Also, this was my first video on your channel. So far, I like what I see. 🤠👍
Well, thankfully, we will be able to see if they give it to a non-profit like they promised :) Just a matter of time
Just a reminder that Paizo make literally _all_ of their sourcebooks free to the public online. Also, they aren't really corpos - especially in the way Hasbro is.
The company is privately owned. It is not publicly traded. That means that at the end of the day, the owners care about the company's long-term reputation because _they are in it for the long haul._
That aside, Lisa Stevens, the actual owner, also isn't a faceless corp-monkey. She bleeds gaming. Her entire career, since the 1980s, has been spent working for or leading development companies through their best years.
She was part of the team that developed Ars Magicka, she had a hand in a lot of early White Wolf stuff, she was WotC's first full-time employee, and she was one of the people directly responsible for the creation of the OGL in the first place.
That's who you're throwing shade at here - the actual creators of the OGL.
Paizo has stated that no one gaming company will own the ORC license including themselves
From the mouth(text) of Paizo:
"The ORC will not be owned by Paizo, nor will it be owned by any company who makes money publishing RPGs. Azora Law’s ownership of the process and stewardship should provide a safe harbor against any company being bought, sold, or changing management in the future and attempting to rescind rights or nullify sections of the license. Ultimately, we plan to find a nonprofit with a history of open source values to own this license (such as the Linux Foundation)."
Loving your passion and content btw
I appreciate the information. But until it comes out I'm not ready to immediately accept corporate promises as fact.
I have immense love for Paizo and want this. But my eyes are squinting.
What Paizo haven't said it's why a new licence is needed. What's wrong with an existing Creative Commons licence? Those licences are very open, well written, easy to understand, and are already used by some game systems, such as Powered by the Apocalypse.
I think because game publishers need to specify what game elements can be used and what can't. Plus when it's creative Commons, you can't monetize I don't think? I'm not 100% on that
While the idea of competitng OGL's is a good concern, the amount of companies already behind ORC will mitigate this. There is already a huge coalition of companies that are going to be behind the new ORC liscence.
And, Paizo is handing the ORC to a non-profit to protect exactly agaisnt targeted buy-outs!
This is literally a fellowship of the ttrpg forming right now hahah
My one concern about the ORC alliance is the lack of coverage it's getting.
Literally none of the big tabletop channels have covered it at all. Though Asmongold did react to a small channel's coverage and that's cool af
I'll probably make another video at some point to talk about it more once it's out.
@@priestesslucy3299 I've seen several of them talk about it
@@priestesslucy3299 It just got announced. I imagine it'll take some time to get it done w/ all major parties involved in writing approval.
Di, ORC is going to have many systems published with it, including PF2, Starfinder and Black Flag.
This isn't just a license, it's an Alliance for the 3pp to rally under.
And the ORC license won't be under Paizo's control. It's going into a 3rd party like the Linux Foundation.
I get that, but I'm not ready to accept it until I actually see it in action.
@@dicequeenDi oh, agreed. No matter who it is, even your own mother, _always_ read the fine print when it comes to contracts
Honest interjection, don't simply "trust" the entities releasing the license (that was the mistake with the OGL), read it and make sure it accommodates your needs and purposes.
The reason Linux got from a hobbyist OS to an consortium from/for it's community was exactly because the GPL (and it's strictly open and self-sufficient nature).
@@qchtohere8636 fun fact: OGL 1.0 was written based on GPL
But yeah, even if I did trust someone this is very much a Trust-but-verify sort of scenario
@@priestesslucy3299 not really, the moment it started with "this license is owned by..." the basic precept of the GPL was broken. It was a well crafted marketing plot, just like "Microsoft
I appreciate the skepticism. More of that is needed in this day and age and too many people will blindly follow whoever. I am personally extremely hopeful but it's important that we as a community make sure we hold Paizo to the same standards we are trying to hold WOTC to.
All that said in regards to them creating a new license I agree there are probably other licenses out there that would suit the job just fine. The problem though is the community wasn't looking for a license. What the community needed in this moment of complete uncertainty and what Paizo provided was a strong, confident leader who could say "Everything is going to be fine".
Them footing the bill to make a new license, them stating they are willing to fight WOTC in court, them getting the guy responsible for writing the original OGL to write the new license, them offering a 25% off discount... All of this is marketing to tell the community that things were going to be ok.
A more cynical perspective is it is possible they don't have our interest in mind and that this was a business move to assure that they can grow to the size of WOTC in the next 20 years. Either way I DO think that it is very likely that whenever the ORC license is finished it will be significantly more air tight than OGL and that even if the problem gets kicked down the road another 20 years it will be much harder to do what WOTC is trying to do.
I'll echo the other posters here. I really think you didn't read the announcement in detail. If Paizo 20 years from now tries to revoke ORC, *they won't be able to* as they're not going to be the owners of it. A 3rd Party non-profit will be its custodian.
I need to see it tbh. I encourage skepticism from any company, even one I love like paizo.
@@dicequeenDi Ok, fair enough, but it feels like you're pre-judging them guilty until proven innocent. Considering their response to this situation, I think they've earned a little slack. Save your anger for WotC, the true villains of this piece.
@JVR totally agree. Really just feels like "I wanna be mad corporations are bad "from what I read around the other replies to other comments.
@@SK-do5rv No... I'm a capitalist who sings the praises of Adam Smith and I can tell you that people are doing more "Listen and Believe" than "Trust, but Verify."
If Paizo decides to sneak in a poison pill clause in there somewhere, doing it now, when you have a legal team that can disguise it and a public on your side who are inherently less likely to assume malice in a poison pill contract, is the time to do it. Far from it, I'd actually give them less slack, precisely because they are claiming to be better than WoTC. Nothing wrong with holding them to a standard they're setting for themselves.
Obvious parallel, the old law about government. "The judiciousness of a law decreases the better sounding its name is."
As someone who does not care for Level/Class based systems I hope more people start exploring the Skill based alternatives.
As others have said, Paizo doesn't own ORC. They gave it to a group of lawyers, who are supposed to find a non-profit to give it to. They did this specifically to address the concerns you brought up.
Corpo promises aren't enough until I see it
"We pinky promise our lawyers will definitely give the orc to a nonprofit. Just sign onto it." 3 years later "Paizo is sending you a cease and desist. Your new module has an orc in it who is morally ambiguous. Sorry racist!"
I think Paizo claimed the ORC is not going to be owned by them, and that it is irrevocable. But I would stay cautios until the ORC actually exists.
I can't see Paizo throwing their reputation under the bus like that, but you are right. Any time you're dealing with contracts, always read the fine print.
Exactly what I'm saying.
On a funny sidenote, ORC being a difficult term to search means people are going to have to type in "ORC LICENSE", which in turn means some data analyzer dude working for google is, one day in the future, scratch his head and wonder why so many people are googling around for a license to become professional greenskins.
Edit: And then he's gonna do an image search and go "oh... oh, that's why...👀"
To be fair, really no one searches for OGL either. They search for DnD or RPG. Only creators will know what it is (like the OGL) and actively search it out.
I hope it'll awaken something in him 😈
Paizo is not a publicly traded compony so their not forbidden from doing good things. People are optimistic about ORC because it's the first good news we have had in a week. I all so noticed the ORC license doesn't come up in search easily but still love the name, ORC will make for better t-shirts then OGL ever did. Looking forward to post DnD
Did you even read the statement? Paizo will not own ORC. They are handing over to a non-profit
And ORC is system agnostic
I get that, I hear that, but I also see enough millionaires donating their own money to their own non-profits.
I'm not ready to accept it until it happens
I mean....did you even realize that Paizo is still a traded corporation and there's a reason why they haven't used a Crestive Commons license?
You know what, some people may see this as a takedown of Paizo but I appreciate videos like this.
I'm vehemently against the OGL 1.1, but good skepticism towards an alternative, even from a relatively trustworthy company like Paizo, is needed.
Even if they have all the good intentions with ORC, having someone pointing out "Well what about this?" will encourage them to make it even more foolproof and immune to being changed like the OGL. In order to preserve it's immutability, it needs to be done right in the first go. We don't want to patch in things glossed over later or that kinda undermines the whole "irrevocable" deal.
Good on you for being the dissenting opinion on this.
What's nutty is that I also *love* paizo. My favorite memories are with pathfinder. But also I'm not willing to nod blankly when another corpo promises to do good by me until I see it in front of me.
You missed the ORC license will not stay with Paizo or the forming members. It will be moved into an independent foundation, which no publishers will be able to alter.
Would love to see you talk more about other non-D&D systems, such as Genesys, BESM, The One Ring and more!
More to come! Majorly savage world's ngl
@@dicequeenDi Awesome sauce! Can't wait!
„After some more rants“ xD. Im all in for that
IM GLAD. IVE GOT A MILLION THINGS TO SAY AND ONLY SO MUCH BREATH
Thanks for your insight Di; now is a time for guarded optimism and vigilance.
List of my favorite games: 1-Cypher, 2-Teenagers From Outer Space, 3-Gamma World 4E(not based on D&D 4E), 4-All Flesh Must be Eaten, 5-Battlelords of the 23rd Century, 6-Pathfinder 1E, 7-5E, 8-Palladium system, 9-AD&D, 10-Shadow of the Demon Lord and 11-Star Frontiers
Great fucking taste. Cypher? Shadow of the Demon Lord?? Powerful
So many different game systems out their, I hope this ORC might a platform for differing systems to open up and allow people to create for all kinds of systems. As someone who spent his childhood reading every games system I could get my hands on, gave me insight in ways to run my game table that a single sorce and system lockdown could never do.
But as you cant copyright a set of instructions for a game the OGL was not strictly necessary,
Thanks for the guarded optimism, must folks are "our heroes ORC will save us", but as a company almost completely screwed over by DnD I think there heart is in the right place.
Guarded optimism is definitely the direction I'm going with
I partially agree with your view of the "D&D box" but I do think OSR is different enough from modern D&D that it is stepping out of the box. I do also like and encourage people to try other games but it is hard to get anyone out of said box because people want to play what's popular and familiar. I wish this would open people up to experience the unknown which is what I think this hobby is about.
Mmhm! I'm exited and hoping for big changes and developments! I can't wait for this next world of trpgs.
The near totality of D&D-esque TTRPGS is definitely a problem. I don't see a good solution aside from a big company getting ahold of something like Shadowrun or Call of Cthullhu and putting an ad campaign behind it to try to get it into the public perception that TTRPGS are a genre, not just D&D and other stuff I guess.
Tbh? I think Pathfinder as actually the answer but not REGULAR pathfinder: it's Pathfinder for Savage Worlds
Funny story about Call of Cthulhu. Chaosium is part of the ORC alliance.
I hear you on the Box though. Tabletop Roleplayers can benefit a lot by stepping out of the box.
The box is dicey and will keep us in there until we fully escape it
Some good points for sure. Thing that amazes me is just how fast all of this has come down - makes sense, I guess, owing to companies needing concrete rules/goals/etc., but damn.
I've been releasing my own games under creative commons BYSA since I started, and was only able to get started because those that inspired me also released their games under CCBYSA its not gaming specific, but it is incredibly easy to understand. People have been able to translate my game I to other languages and sell their work that transformed my work without worrying about royalties or any input on my part.
For all the "WotC intended to release a horrific OGL so that they could get away with something LESS bad" logic, there sure is a lot of "This ORC isn't as bad as the OGL and we should implicity trust everything this other company says...because it's not the OGL"
People need something to attach to. They wanna believe in something...
But corpos? Even content creators? Always be skeptical.
Who is saying we should implicitly trust it?
We have a ray of hope, but we still need to proceed with caution.
I've been a fan of Paizo since they saved 3rd edition (actually, before that when they were publishing Dragon and Dungeon magazine, though I didn't know them by name until after) but as much as I like them, as much as I identify as an Orc in this crusade, you better believe I'm still going to be going through thr actual license with a fine-toothed comb
The description of ORC tells that it is system agnostic - not link to paizo or any specific gaming system or even any rpg trpg company. We can only hope.
Honestly, I get your point. One should NEVER trust corporations at face value. Even if the company is being run by ethical people at present, who's to say what will happen when the ownership changes. This is exactly what happened with WotC, which is what got us in this current mess to begin with. So having a "put up or shut up" attitude with Paizo is only being practical.
However, I am a little more lenient when it comes to them, simply because in all this time, not only have they been sticking with the spirit of those who came up with the OGL and open gaming in the first place, they haven't screwed their players over, and have done things that others think are insane (such as having their game rules online for free). And they generally have done what they said they were going to do. So if they say that they are going to be creating a new , irrevocable open license that will be kept in the spirit of what was written before, and that they will make sure no gaming company will own it, I'm more inclined to think they will do just that. I still agree that we should reserve full celebration and kudos for when it actually happens, and don't think you are wrong for your stance; it's actually a justified perspective in this day and age of rampant corporate greed. But I also don't think the good will that Paizo has generated is unwarranted, either.
As far as being "stuck in a DnD box", one has to remember that the reason Pathfinder is so closely tied to DnD is because, frankly, it IS DnD... or at least, it was the DnD that people actually wanted to play when 4th edition DnD came out. It became the haven for those who wanted their game the way they wanted it, with the openness in gaming and content they thrived on. After WotC scrambled to get back in these players good graces with 5th edition, many of the players then "came home". However, there has been a split: there is now enough differences between the two games that there are now preferences for either systems, and even before the latest fiasco, we had people who stuck with one over the other (I myself would rather play Pathfinder than DnD). They don't feel the need to stick with DnD, or deal with any of WotC's content. Furthermore, the proposed ORC isn't just going to be for games that use the D20 system. As others have pointed out, other companies are in on this too, and they represent a whole lot of different gaming systems, settings, and conventions. We got Call of Cthulhu, 7th Sea, Modern Age... a whole bunch of other games that may now have a bigger chance to shin, since a spotlight is now being put on these other companies. And this would be a great opportunity for creators to start making things for all these different systems, as well as borrowing mechanics and concepts from them as well, in order to improve these systems as well... just as the original creators of the OGL (some who now run Paizo, by the way) intended. So it isn't guaranteed, or inevitable that the ORC will just lock everyone in a "D20/DnD box". Especially if most of us, players and content creators, remain vigilant, and keep up with the passion for this hobby. Now is a fantastic time to start spreading the word and shining a light on other systems, and if the ORC does what it says it's going to do, we will have a lot of fertile ground for all these games to grow on.
So yeah, I think it makes perfect sense to be skeptical, and don't fault you for that one bit. But I also don't think it's unreasonable for people to be hopeful, either. Again, the people who didn't intend to screw us over in the first place are the ones behind this proposed ORC agreement now. Let's give them the chance to prove themselves, and do what we can to promote systems besides D20.
Edit: btw, I haven't seen your videos before, but you now got a new subscriber, just from this video alone.
My favorite thing about this are seeing these amazing collections of thoughts. Legit thank you so much. I do believe in optimism but Guarded Optimism.
@@dicequeenDi Definitely. Guarded optimism is the healthier approach to take. We have a tendency to completely surrender our love and loyalty to any company that says all the right things, especially when it comes to the hobbies we are passionate about. I understand the impulse, and can cheer with the rest when a company seems to be willing to do right by us and the hobby... But they are still companies. They are only as good as the ethics of those running them.
I suggest calling it ActionStories RPG engine after the now Public domain ActionStories. You have Action points. Those points are needed to move, cast spells, use items. You get more action points if you defeat an opponent, solve puzzles as rewards,
Arwen the Elf has 20 points. Spends 2 points breaking cover, and 16 to shoot the stalactite over the dragon who has 500 action points and a final 2 action points to resume cover. The stalactite has 100 action points. It takes 7 arrows (16 action points invested in each hit) before it drops from the ceiling and smashes the dragon's wing for 100 action points.
Enraged by the pain, the dragon (now reduced to 400 action points) wakes, and finds the stalactite through its wing which it removes for 100 action points looks upward, stands (2 action points just like the PC), and sniffs around where the stalactite came from 20 action points.
Still in its turn, the Dragon Casts permanant injury healing (200 action points), and still in its action turn, notices the scattered arrows, moving like a hypersonic missile, circles the cave at 20 action points for 20ft × 5 or 100pt and finds the elf who he pokes through the arm with a claw tip for 20pt severing it. And again with the claw through the other arm dismembering it. The dragon lets its Action points expire to next round where it now has a fine 500 action points.
The second turn cycle: Arwen the Elf has no arms, and 20 action points to spend fleeing.
We don't need an Open Gaming Licence to make and play games with similar rulesets to D&D and any other TTRPG the corps can't copyright the process of the rules system for these games. ORC is a promise from Paizo that they will stand by and is a matter of goodwill. We still can play and make whatever we like. Unless we fall for what WotC tried to sell, their end game was to trap content creators in contractual agreements that they never had to accept in the first place. Thank goodness it was seen for what it is, garbage lies and unfair terms.
You're missing that ORC won't be owned by paizo or any other game company. It won't matter when they get bought out.
A nonprofit will own the ORC licence... In the meantime a Law Firm is custodian... If PF2 is like a 5.5E then that may be OK for inter-operability....
It's really not like 5e.
Both systems have feats, but in PF2 you get 1-2 feats every level.
In PF2, your combat ability scales every level, but 5E is static where you have a proficiency bonus that rises very slowly.
Neeeeeed to see it happennn
@@dicequeenDi Agreed.
Paizo refuses to answer if their ORCL has a morality or offensive speech clause. The problem is, who determines what is “offensive”? Can a product be rejected through the ORCL?
We have no idea yet. We just have intentions
We can continue to express the importance of an Open License needs to remain open in all aspects.
If WotC is neutral evil, Paizo is Chaotic Good. They might have a forward moral stance but I genuinely don't belirve they're going to strongarm that into a license intended for innumerable systems and controlled by an outside party
There is another factor. D&D has become the big brand for Fantasy only for 5th edition. Back in the day D&D was the game for murder hobos. People who played MERP (Middle Earth Role Playing) looked down on them. Most people played other things and there was a point when Vampire: the Masquerade was reigning king. Hell, in Japan, as of today, Call of Cthulhu is the main game, and mostly played by women. We cannot have a standard for Roleplaying games because you cannot really purely monetize storytelling. The rules are only there to keep the participant's agency balanced.
Keep up the good content! Also when i googled ORC i also got the Ohio Revised Code and i busted out laughing.
ONE OF THE FIRST PROBLEMS
Nice to see your an XKCD OG too. The two big thing about the ORC, which I don't blame you for not knowing because of the sheer amount of info coming out, are 1.big RPG companies are doing it together. 2. It's not going to be owned by any one company and is likely going to be under the control of a nonprofit, likely the same one that manages Linux. 3. I really love your point about Pathfinder being too close. I played my first game of Lancer today and it's amazing! Cyber punk Red and Call of Cthulhu is also awesome.
I know.
@@dicequeenDi sorry you heard that so much. You probably feel harassed just by the number and that wasn't my intention.
Pathfinder is basically D&D 3.5 +.
@@calvanoni5443 Pathfinder 1e yes. Pathfinder 2e, the one that doesn't actually use the OGL, is actually significantly different from the route that D&D took
Had to laugh at your beginning but it’s a true thing to consider 😂
Our group of friends also went the Pathfinder route ^^
One reason why I don’t want GW to move D20 system even knowing the flows of staying D6 system
It'll be impossible to find without the lusty orc ladies
Tbh I think the strongest course of action is to chase Lizards to court and make a precedent.
The OGL 1.1's main problem is the weird back-doorsy clauses that allow them to freely mess with rules retroactively. The original OGL is not great by any realistic standard but it got a pass because everyone is playing fair, but Lizards made it pretty clear they're going to drive this as scummily as possible.
I'd rather WotC lose in court trying to defend themselves so we can keep this predatory shit out once and for all so we don't have to rely on someone else swooping in to clout themselves up.
LMAO LIZARDS I LOVE IT.
@@dicequeenDi They been catching those L's all week, dude!!!
It's not about having different standards. That's not really what an OGL is for. It's about having language in regards to specific mechanics and rules. So you don't have to keep rewriting it with your own language everytime to get around copyright laws.
There are other open licenses and copyright things. But yes I hear what you're saying. I believe in open licenses. But everyone is treating like Paizo is Jesus
I think the worries are pretty understandable, but the standard idea I think doesn't work, because we don't have a rediculous number of standards, we pretty much have ogl and powered by the apocalypse as the two "standards" people know about, adding a third that will be explicitly replacing the ogl is good growth imo
here's 2 more
The GNU General Public License, and the Free Documentation License drafted by the Free Software Foundation, www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html
The Open Content License by OpenContent qualifies as long as neither of the License Options in Section VI of the license are used, www.opencontent.org/openpub/
@@dicequeenDi oh cool I didn't even know about these! Thanks for sharing my guy
I'd argue a good new open license empowers developers to make things better for players, so it may not DIRECTLY benefits players, but it indirectly does.
Agreed. Definitely indirectly improves it for everyone
The problem with multi games with different main game engines is that they all operate differently. It's like 15 different carmakers having all there cars operated differently. Was like that before the OGL Earthdawn, RollMaster, Paldium, DnD, TORG, WEG Shadowrun, all have a unique engines that also restricts finding a system to play. The ORC is on drawing board and lord knows what OLG 2.0 will do. but hopefully the waters settle and we will all find something better.
If both D&D and Pathfinder are too Hotel California, one could play Runequest. Or Talislanta. Or, for the ladies, Blue Rose. Or, if into OSR, Palladium Fantasy.
Or, there are a few generic systems out there that have fantasy supplements such as Savage Worlds or GURPS.
AYYYY BLUE ROSE SOMEONE KNOWS IT EXISTS.
Tho my favorite is actually savage worlds :3
@@dicequeenDi I read through the rulebook, but I have heard horror stories about people in groups being unable to separate character relationships from player relationships such that I am not sure I want to play.
Honestly until I see the ORC License and that it doesn't have a "morality clause" I'm not going to trust Paizo or any of the other companies that say they're making this. I think the best hope is in the OSR, many there have already realized you don't need a license at all.
Tho ngl, many early OSR was based on OGL. Labyrinth Lord and Lamentations come to mind.
Okay, but not everybody is going to want to play Powered by the Apocalypse. For a lot of us, the d20-style games are specifically what we're interested in, and that's the sector that we're trying to save. WotC has already irreparably damaged what made the OGL valuable, which was the belief that it was irrevocable. Replacing it is all we can do, because it doesn't work anymore.
It's not that I trust Paizo to remain morally upright for the good of all mankind because it's the right thing to do. But I do currently trust Paizo to act in their own interests and be competent about it. Don't think for a second that this ORC license was Paizo heroically swooping in to the rescue. They understood that if WotC succeeded at what they were trying to do, Paizo would be driven out of business, so they executed the perfect maneuver to take the wind out of WotC's sails. The success of that maneuver depends on the ORC actually being implemented and creating a safe haven from whatever WotC tries to do. The reason I expect them to do what they've said they would do is because it ends badly for Paizo if they don't.
You are correct, though, that WotC still remains a threat. They're hoping that we all relax now and move on so they can push their new OGL through and still get what they want. You're also right that new players in the future might go back to them. What we have to do is walk away from D&D and lead as many other players away as we can. We need D&D to absolutely crash and sink all the way to the bottom. We need for no one to use the name "D&D" as a synonym for RPGs ever again. And ORC gives us a place to go.
Actually, I'm willing to see Pathfinder built up as the successor to D&D. Pathfinder 2e is a sufficiently different system that Paizo believes it no longer really even needs the OGL from WotC. People could be encouraged to develop the habit of saying "Let's play Pathfinder" instead of "Let's play D&D." I will roll the dice on trusting Pathfinder to carry out the ORC plan as they have stated, because doing otherwise would burn the goodwill that is currently leading customers to them and away from D&D. I also think that they, too, realize that the D&D ship has to sink and that they will do what needs to be done to make that happen. I wouldn't be surprised if they've seen this coming for a decade and have been preparing for it.
Personally I see pathfinder for savage worlds to be the one thing that I believe will break the box
@@dicequeenDi That's acceptable. I would support that direction if it were to pick up any momentum.
Okay, so what if indie developers all got together and we all collaborated to create our own Open Independent Game System License and created our own SRD?
Ngl I'd be super into that but do we have enough lawyers for the license part
@@dicequeenDi Oh, I'm sure we do. Most of us have day jobs. In fact, I promise that there's at least one indie dev that can tune your piano, or totally rebuild it. There's enough of us that we can find all the lawyers we need.
But of course, if Paizo's being straight, and they've never done anything to make me think they wouldn't, and that ORC goes to non-profit custodianship, then we won't have to worry about it, will we?
@@dicequeenDi We could call it the Open Game Resource Licence (OGRe)
I'm confused about what you mean by how the ORC doesn't help players. I'm not saying that as a disagreement of your point, I just don't know what you mean by it. As for the point of how the ORC doesn't solve the problem of WotC's bad practices or upending the OGL, I think that's a moot point since nobody can do anything about that, except raise up our issues like we have been and hoping WotC listens. Nobody but WotC can enact that change anyway. I don't feel like having different standards or different licenses is a bad thing. It's like you said, splintering is good for the ttrpg community I think it's amazing that so many different rpg's are being seen and people are trying to find out more about them. I don't see why different standards would be an issue any more than that would be. I am willing to be optimistic about what Paizo, but also several other rpg creators behind the ORC, are doing and hopefully in that way it will be truly system agnostic as they say it is and also free of any one company's control. But yes we need to be critical and skeptical until we see it come to full fruition. You've opened my eyes to a lot of different takes on the ttrpg community and I'm glad this whole debacle introduced me to your content.
hm. the 'orc doesn't help players point' was probably the weakest element of this rant tbh, that and my lack of address that yes i do understand it's 'going to a non-profit group'.
i am optimistic about paizo, but i also don't want to immediately trust a corporation. especially when it seems like they're trying to be your friend, you know?
@@dicequeenDi When you're making content like you do it makes sense that sometimes some things don't come out as strong as is intended, nothing wrong with that. I appreciate how you do advocate for players in this.
And yes of course this is a perfect opportunity for a corporation to use the backlash here to garner support for themselves instead. We all hope that's not what's happening, but we should never assume it's not a possibility that things are nefarious
It wont give you 5e content access like the old OGL did but it will be something no one owns but a non profit company. It also is system agnostic which means 2e and other games can be released under it.
When I hear about things being owned by a non profit I can't help but think of the million/billionaires donating to their own non-profit organizations.
@@dicequeenDi Fair but in the end the people who created Paizo were working for wizards when the first open game license was created. The intent originally was to make sure later someone could not undo the open gaming license. So not only will they sue to protect the original license they are this time doing their own OGL in such a way that it's not in their hands. That seems like a genuine attempt to prevent future people from screwing up the open gaming license again. I actually thing Paizo will win this battle with WOTC. Legal eagle's video on how you can't copyright rules was very enlightening. Ultimately no one can make content for a wizards IP universe without needing to pay them however I do not think wizards can ever get money from people who soles use the rules of 5e or pathfinder 1e.
I think people are more complicated than just "no DnD? Try Pathfinder! No Pathfinder? Try DnD!" But I'm pretty new to DnD so the DnD brand loyalty is not in blood stream like it is with older players. My group is switching to Avatar Legends and other games to try until we find something we like besides DnD
Avatar is a good choice. If you like Dragon Prince consider that one as well! It's using the Cypher System
This is a bad take. Paizo already stated with ORC that it'll be owned by a non-profit.
Like how Wizards tells us they care about us right? I'm not so quick to assume the best of ANY corpo until they do it
As far as the not creators or publishers. The ORC license is being done to protect the players as well because when you increase the cost arbitrarily for SRD content and make that locked behind a locked door you have to log into turns all content into an analog dlc.
Tabletop gaming was build on the idea you can play with as little as pennies or glass tokens for enemies and combat. But to gate keep it to logging in and if you dont want to pay you cant play.
The point is to prevent that. Which is why they are also giving the finalized ORC to a non profit that will hold it in perpetuity.
So it does protect the average player as well by protecting them from getting a proverbial DOT that takes money.
You shouldnt have to perpetually rent you games. I understand some companies have done that but look how well it did for them.
Who was the artist for the orc picture? I need to know for...reasons
LMAO NO IDEA. I searched up orc and that was my first hot orc lady
Have Paizo stated if they do or do not have a morality clause? Who is going to gate keep such a clause? Is it actually an ogl if it has such a clause? We need to know. Now. Paizo is also a corporation folks, hopefully they prove to be a friendly one, we will see.
THANK YOU. Geez someone that gets it. Trust no corpos until they step up.
@@dicequeenDi copy that. Us old grognards are not as dumb as people think we are you know.
I might not be one, but my heart is stuck in 3.5. I'm with you in spirit.
@@dicequeenDi The hobby was always about inclusivity, in the old days, it was a haven for the nerds and those rejected by the popular kids. Everyone was welcome, everyone. The hobby self regulates, we don’t need a morality clause,, if someone is being unacceptably offensive, they don’t get to play. Simple.
Man, looootttsss of people eager to kiss that ring of the other corporation.
Look, I prefer Paizo over WotC...but everyone is glossing over the fact that Common Licenses already exist. There's a reason why Paizo isn't using one.
100% exactly. Several open gaming licenses also exist as well.
The licenses are for particular game mechanics. The OGL is the license for the particular Dungeons and Dragons mechanics. If you want to write a book with the "advantage mechanic" in it, you'd publish under the OGL. The ORC is meant to be Paizo (and the other 5 or 6 so far companies) to let you write a book with their own mechanics.
D&D 4 wasn't reviled because it was "bad". 4 is fine as a game. 4 was published under a different license, which made it legally impossible to write and publish homebrew for. Which is the only reason folks moved over to Pathfinder, which was honestly just mod of D&D 3.
The reason PF2 was under OGL at all was to give third parties the legal ability to publish works for their games.
OGL is a license. It is not specific to DnD, it is not specific to their content. Many companies have used 1.0a as a way to open selected portions of their game content...usually mechanics.
It is fair to say DnD4 wasnt a bad game...but it was not a DnD roleplaying game...it was a miniatures game wrapped in RPG clothing. It was unpopular on its own....and having a closed license was the nail in the coffin.
Paizo said they would out stewardship of the ORC in a nonprofit organization so no one can touch it. I get your point but I think Paizo is gonna make it possible.
i'm sorry that was rude. a lot of people are saying this, but also that's not enough for me until i see it
Oook not sure how that was rude... Everyone is entitled to their opinions I was just quoting something Paizo said directly.
She was calling her initial response rude and apologizing for venting her frustration at getting a hundred comments saying essentially the same thing.
It's a move you don't see often on YT, most people would delete their bad message and pretend it never happened.
2:56 needs to be in context of their given statement. I also agree, in the comments you explain a little, but they talked literally about whom they want to target for ownership people like the Linux Foundation. Your criticism of them without that context kind of wastes our time.
Fair. Absolutely so.
"You know what you're gonna find? You're not gonna find the licensing agreement, you're gonna find hot, green-skinned anime babes."
.......And this is a problem? :p
faaaaaam I'm with you
They are planning on putting the ORC out of their own reach so if they become unethical they cant mess with it.
I'm really hoping for it tbh. Just let's see when it gets there
Cool, you understand the problem... Are you going to convince people to use the GFDL or a specific flavor of CC to replace the OGL then?
Sadly, humans apparently needs either "hype" or fud to even consider change, so seriously, out best bet now it's too trust... And seriously, when the ORC releases, just search for "Paizo" in the license text (like you can find "Wizards of the Coast" in the current one), and if you find nothing, you can rest assured, this will be an truly open and irrevocable license (like at least the 2 I mentioned at the beginning).
that is a really fair point. people need hype to consider change. i suppose it's not responsible to kill hype for things that NEED to happen
Ya I play warhammer role play 4e, and all the other stuff cubicule 7 makes.
Ayyyy Warhammer!
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You like it as well ?
What universe ? Age of Sigmar, Old World, W40K ?
Yeah... I've dealt with contract law before. I want this to be good! *BUT...*
1. Ladies and Gentlemen. The internet standard is *Trust, but Verify.* Let us not forget this.
2. Them shunting it off to a non-profit law firm means nothing. It's abundantly easy to snooker in a poison pill clause, the law firm in question can be working entirely for Paizo and be their attack dog, those of us not well versed in contract law can read something and get a different meaning than the lawyers that drafted it, etc. The proof is in the pudding. Until you get your contract, in your hands, ready to sign, nothing is certain.
3. Paizo is getting loads of good will right now. And, at the end of the day, it could all be justified. *But if it isn't...* then a lot of people giving them credit right now are giving Paizo the tools to screw us over with. Quite to the contrary, them moral grandstanding this hard should give everyone cause for concern and encourage caution. Praising corporate soapboxes is how you get a lot of really stupid pandering at best and smokescreens for actual shady crap at worst.
I'm not saying Paizo is an evil corporation. Quite to the contrary, I think their stated goal is admirable, and the situation all but forces them to get involved because they did this before. *BUT...* they're still a corporation, and a corporation doing it right looks out for themselves first. I'm sure a lot of us thought that the OGL was untouchable a year ago, if even we knew what it was... and then it all of a sudden wasn't apparently. It's happened once before... no reason it can't happen again. I hate to rain on the parade, but it's a parade that needs to be rained on. Let's not laud Paizo as our lords and saviors until they actually do some lording and saving.
WOTC is the worst in industry right now, they literally do not deserve the monopoly, critical role, youtubers, podcasters, etc, elevate them. I do not watch critical role but they brought a lot of new people to the hobby. In the dark days of 4e, and ADnD, competition was more significant, and that forced DnD, ADnD became 3e and made the OGL and 4e became 5e, respectifully. This monopoly made WOTC worst than it is, competition is good for the hobby. What WOTC done was unaceptable, their response ..."we won"... was unacceptable. They must be almost burned to the ground, to lose this corporate arrogance, that only corporate monoply can give. Its competition Paizo, kobold press, 3rd party publishers, Indie developers must be elevated. As long as there ia a monopoly DnD do not need to improve nor it need to treat the community better. Boycotting DnD, WOTC, HASBRO is the best thing everyone could do for the TTRPG, they are too big, they are behaving badly, that's a problem. People also must stop using DnD as an synonym for TTRPGs, that's terrible for google and youtube. #ORC #ORCLicense
For all y'all folks needing alternative ttrpgs to play, check out Shadow of the Demon Lord, Ryuutama, Mouse Guard, Cyberpunk, World of Darkness, Scar, and GURPS.
I love your videos, I'm a new sub but please keep creating
You nail it in that theory (well, more 'practical' than theory). I just hope people understand your point and don't fall into the companies trap.
Its still D&D even if it is Pathfinder. Paladins, clerics, druids, fireball spells, gold dragons... thats D&D.
It's all that yeah. It's just it over and over again
I liked your presentation, subscribed
Welcome aboard!
All seriousness aside, when I Google Ork it is for Gork (or maybe Mork) WWWAAAAGGHHH.
Cute avatar though and no hostility intended
Ayyyyyyyyyy
@DiceQueen Di You do seem very nice 💗 I just think you might be a little too worried. But it's not like I don't understand with how badly Wotc has changed.
If you look at the situation, theoretically the reason the orc is being created is to wipe DND from the games legal ancestry.
The best thing to happen to ORC's since Taimanin Asagi
You have to remember paizos creators originally created ogl so if they get sued by wizards they're the best ones to fight against it.
So how do you decide who or what to trust? Nothing is infallible. And WotC isn't going to just vanish. It's still going to take some doing to get things right.
Break the Box!
exactly this. you need to figure out who and how to trust on a case by case basis. everyone is taking paizo on their word but no corpo is clean
I am happy with Parhfinder. My wife and I bailed on D&D. Are we trapped in a box? No. We play what we like, and have no interest in paying for a new engine again, and again, and again... that is the trap. No thank you.
The time has come! GURPS will rise again!
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I belive you are simplifying it too much when you say the D&D box, I know TTRP are not video games but this is something where we can draw some good comparisons, there is no actual D&D box there are player archetypes, the best example would be with battle royals, PUBG was the first one out and all of them follow its structure like fortnite and apex however they have some twist and are arguably better than PUBG however people that play PUBG are the ones that want the "grounded in reality" gameplay, the same aplies to TTRP, PF2 is honestly "D&D but better" in most aspects but it also brings extra layers of complexity that D&D doesn't have and that will be the divide between player the ones that look for an easier game and less complex will go to D&D the people that want a greater level of complexity will go to PF2 using a d20 is not a box is a tool, in the end, it will come down to players finding the system in which their characters can be express in a best way if they don't find an issue with learning new rules (im not counting role play because at the end of the day if you want to role play you will roleplay whatever the system)
next video will cover network externalities more. it'll really solidify what i mean when i say the dnd box.
Oh I think I understand this box now. But I do think we can use D20 in a Pathfinder path and not really think about D&D you know? I honestly have no desire for 6E. I'm waiting for a Pathfinder 2E group. But I'm also just one person, idk what people in general will do. So maybe this box is a bigger problem than I think.
If you find your way into my discord somehow, we talk extensively about this and we can extrapolate on this more
@@dicequeenDi I don't really like Discord because I feel like it's a soulless place. It's the platform I've been attacked the most in. But I thank you for the offer.
Love this video series, I have found FORBIDDEN LANDS and THE ONE RING, great systems, wonderful books
Doing my best ; w ; danke
@@dicequeenDi You're doing great work with your videos
How would ORC will protect if no company is going to be behind it. I think the reason why OGL works is that it protects from Lawsuits because behind the OGL is WotC, Hasbro, a big company. But if you look at ORC, they want to create it and leave alone with no company backing it. It won't stop big companies from bullying small content creators.
I think what the community really needs is a publisher, DMSguild is no good place, if anything now is prioritizing a good decent publisher that protects content creators.
The ORC is not going to be in the hands of Paizo or any other singular company, it is being handed over to a Law Firm that works as a 501c3 (Not-for-Profit) organization that will not allow another single game company from strong-arming other 3rd parties. -- That's the difference.
So yes this is a statement of intent from Paizo at this point. Yes Paizo is a corporation. They also have a really good track record and are involving others in the license.
Having another license will help solve things for the simple fact that it is about making clear that these companies don't have a right to things they already don't have rights to. The license isn't about giving people rights, it's about affirming rights we already have.
Absolutely agreed.
While the battle is getting tiresome and exhausting, I’m confident that we are going in the right direction.
I haven’t seen a community revolt like this sense the days of GG.
Though I will admit both revolts are kind of similar but still different in terms of what started them.
They're keeping silent about there being a morality clause in the contract or not. Don't let them stay silent. This still could screw alot of creators if there is.
ORC needs PIE!
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Great video. I would like to hear more about the OGL and players. I don't agree that the OGL effects players (at least it doesn't in analog play). The only impact I see is to the availability of content which comes from Creators.
Also, I don't think the Osr is really connected to Dnd. I think they've become 2 separate entities with a shared history. Very similar to Apple and Linux. Both have their roots in Unix but in terms of what you can do with them and how innovative they are, they're very different indeed.
DnD is dying in my opinion. It's only salvation comes from the digital sphere and lifestyle. The game is so encumbered that there is a real problem finding people to DM it. Which, let's be real, has always been an issue to TTRPGs. That's why forever DMs exist. The digital will never replace the core part of what makes TTRPGs fun, sitting around, in person, and sharing an experience. Seeing that one cool D20 backstab the warrior, or having to make a snack run because pizza can only go so far. The digital world lacks the tactile feel of real experiences.
I think DnD is going through another death/rebirth, like it has 2x before, but this time WoTC is going feel the sting of bad decisions.
I will hold judgment to see if has a woke clause. They're refusing to address the issue, and I can see Paizo and their clan going after more comservative members of the OSR, like Pundit and Venger.
Finally, someone gets it. The only way to end WotC is to not support D&D,and the D20 system over all. My very first TTRPG was Star Wars 6D by West End Games. I ran it from 1987 to 1999. I also ran Mekton Z and Dream Pod 9's Heavy Gear and Jovin Chronicles. Both used a form of a system based around 6D. Now these games are no longer available,but these are still the main systems I would like to run.
We have to move on from d20 systems fully. I don't know if it'll get there.
The problem is some of us are old enough to remember the collapse of TSR and how that fractured and was slowly killing off the hobby because of fragmented interests not being sufficient to maintain business models. That is somewhat mitigated by the internet but it was a massive boost to the entire industry to have a single system to gather around and have massive varieties of material readily available to play. And I agree I love that other systems still exist .... I myself am and will always be a palladium player ... But most people have never heard of Rifts, because the company has maintained their property rights and it has never had the massive broad and diverse pool of content that DND got through having their OGL.
Regarding the ORC nor Paizo nor the 3rd party developers are gonna own it or at least thats the idea, until its an actual text you are right, we dont know how good or bad it may actualy be.
Its for content creators and publishers yes and it doesnt "help" the players but if I am honest this whole OGL business, doesnt touch my table, my concern was the harm done to the people who made the content I enjoyed. Still it doesnt mean that what has already been done or is in the works is safe, but it means a "place" where this can be prevented from happening, the ORC isnt gonna stop their houses from burning its just meant to be a safer place to rebuild.
*[W a r n i n g] rant ahead:*
When it comes to the dnd box, I have only played or tried a couple of rpgs other than 5: Call of Cthulhu, BESM, Cyberpunk RED (V3 and 2020 where to much of a hassle), Vampire(looked into it never turned into a game), eclipse phase nor Lancer never got into a game.
Im gonna be honest I like the box, the d20, its the one I vibe the most with, I am looking into shadow of the demon lord because its not it, but alot like it. I have heard of other systems the cypher busines and GURPs and as much as they tell about the freedom they give I do not find them enjoyable for fantasy.
I've heard them described as "effect based" those were points buy stuffs on character creation instead of class and levels. I dont like that.
I really enjoyed CoC because the system lends itself to not be fantasy people with powers, but I would not play fantasy with CoC rules. BESM Feels nice for its purpose, its basically a lose set of rules to making whatever wacky anime combinations you want, making hard rules for that isnt gonna come out mechanicaly sound, its the kind of game where "the power of friendship" might be a reasonable explanation for a powerup.
But fantasy with the leveling and class structure is my favorite combination, I am up for weird stuff from superheroes to anime mechs with whatever combination of dice and coins might be involved but the d20 knight wizard priest rogue archer isnt going away for me. The creation has outgrown its creator people will go to dungeons and slay dragons with our without wotc aproval
Goblin Slayer (and Sword World that it's derived from, which doesn't have an official english translation but is fully translated on Reddit) is a really nice 2d6 fantasy game with classes and levels.
@@priestesslucy3299 You said Sword World? Ok it has come full circle... Thanks for the recomendation I'll definitely will look into it.
The next is content/story that is not relevant but curious:
I saw a vid of a metroidvania videogame called " _Record of Lodoss War: Deedlit in wonder labyrinth_ " and got interested in the setting, turns out it has an anime, I watched it (pretty cool old school anime) got interested on the source: turns out its a novelisation of a D&D campaign... It also spawned its own setting rules agnostic & a ruleset... What ruleset? _Sword World_ aparently.
Im not big into goblin slayer but the setting for Record of Lodoss War is convincing enough if it has a class and lvl system behind it
@@proxy90909 Yeah, Record of Lodoss War was played in Basic/Expert. So much history in everything connected to this hobby.
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The OGL is dead. Either now or shortly in the future. With WotC's intentions known who would want to burn their money that badly? Really, this is how the game industry operated prior to 3rd. Everyone had their own mechanics. The ORC will just be a license for other people to use with their own game mechanics to share with others. Obviously Paizo will bundle their own rules with the ORC. DnD has been strip mined like most of the other beloved cultural properties from my youth (Xer here). It happens. 5e grew popular because of a return to the OGL. Personally I don't like 5e, but that's ok. Plenty of other game systems, but everyone's been locked into 5e to the point of strangling creativity.
I'm honestly kinda excited for a post 5e-apocalyptic wasteland. I wanna see how this develops
You missed the point of the ORC as announced by paizo. They are championing its creation, and paying the cost, but it's SUPPOSED to be in the stewardship of the law firm that created it.
The ecosystem is changing, WOTC pulled the plug and the water is going down the drain. Stop being so anxiously fearful of what's ahead. There might be some struggles, but I for one think there is a TON of new creative ideas coming. Celebrate that.
No one was "Searching" OGL in 2000 and it did fine, Also , ORC is already supported by 5 Separate Publishers and its not even finished. ORC is intended to be the Standard and has the most support of the newest ones only GURPs and OGL are larger and OGL is going to shrink, I've watched your whole video and they are mostly bad takes. 5:35 they moved to 5e because Critical Roll did and new players only new D&D because they were introduced through Stranger Things and Matt Mercer, this was cultivated by WoTC. Honestly your Pessimism sounds like Stockholm syndrome.
Play GURPS or DUNGEON FANTASY (powered by GURPS).
No one's trapped, players can go to other systems, & should. The OSR D&D is not the same.
Kinda
@@dicequeenDi Wotc thought they had a Community, Nope they had Customers, there's a difference.
@@calvanoni5443 I would argue they did HAVE a community... until they set it on fire.
@@priestesslucy3299 you've been misled by Marketing speach.
I will approach this a different way. Wizards owns the OGL licence. You can not keep using that licence because it is WotC property. If they move to OGL 1.1 you will have to use that licence or be sued by Hasbro. With this out of the way what do you want from the TTRPG companies to be happy? You seem to be saying "No! You can't use a different standard because it will hurt the community! Keep using the OGL and be outraged every time Hasbro sends a DMCA to a publisher using OGL 1.0 to publish something." This does not sound like a workable solution to our problem and would cause MUCH greater harm to our hobby. The harm being caused is not PAIZO creating a new licence to publish under it is WotC/ Hasbro retroactively weaponizing their ownership of the current open standard to create a walled monopoly. ORC is not the ideal solution and PAIZO stated that in their own public statement but it is a solution that can move our community forward and be worked to grow past D&D.
I'm not saying that. I'm not saying don't use anything else. I am VERY excited about Paizo and what it'll do, but I'm also not treating it like a cure for cancer
@@dicequeenDi that is not how the video comes across seeing as the entire video was putting down the entire concept of ORC and the comment acknowledging that you are also aware of the stated intent to not own the licence and still says that doesn't change your stated opinions that the ORC licence is stupid and complaining about another standard being created causing damage to the community as a result.
You had a lot of compliments but what I wanted to know was with these complaints in mind what can these companies do to placate these complaints and move this community forward?
@dicequeen di
Yeah I didn't catch that tone either tbh.
It really did feel like you were shooting down the ORC rallying cry in favor of fighting the OGL instead.
It's been ONE DAY and you want it to be searchable like a document that's been around since the toddler stage of the internet? LMAO. Every part of this horrible take was addressed in the ORC announcement.
The first part is literally just a joke
They'll just search ORC lisence, it's better than the OGL at this point because they're ruining the OGL. Bad take, which is based on a lot of random assumptions.
*first part is a joke*
@DiceQueen Di not just that the video has alot of assumptions like maybe some company will buy Paizo or maybe Paizo won't be nice. Their track record is otherwise. Also why would we be locked to a box for D&D? It's very easy to play Pathfinder homebrew, I never understood what's so much better about official adventure paths. But okay. You can use existing campaigns to make a homebrew story that's just as good anyways :)
you can literally search orc license and information comes up about it as the number 1 search.
Please know what you are talking about, you are stalking to sound like Wizards just blaming problems on things that don't exist and aren't really problems. If there become 3-4 open rpg license's then so be it... lmao there hundreds of licenses standards for other things.
This whole video just sounds like you making stuff up just to make another video on the topic... please.. just... stop!
First and foremost, the SRD (D&D rules) is a hunk of clunky, outdated, 49-year-old game mechanics that suck anyway. Restoring the OGL 1.0a is a worthless effort. Trust is lost and third-party creators will not be supporting D&D 5E anymore. WotC will be pushing and marketing 6E. Younger and newer players will be buying 6E. Overall content support for D&D 5E will die out very quickly, and restoration of the OGL 1.0a won't help or mean anything. No publisher will be dumb enough to sign on to OGL 2.0, which is exactly what WotC wants. WotC just wants to pretend they are being third-party inclusive when legally they are not. Quite ironic that WotC preaches inclusion when they turn around and do the opposite. Publishers will only finish publishing their planned 5E content support for the next few months, but by the time we get to midway into 2023, 5E support will be dramatically small. By the time we get to 2024, 5E content support will be completely dead. D&D 5E will fade into the background just like all of the other editions of D&D. The best and safest solution, create your own RPG game and rule system!
I'm going to keep playing d20 games.
Why?
Because I like the d20 system. Simple as.