To be honest, I like how they framed Naomi here. I don’t know how the real case happened, so I can’t speak for the real people, so this is just about the show itself, so here I go: they framed Naomi as a cop, as someone who used a teenage boy to get what she wanted, to fill in a quota, which is obviously harmful to many communities, including POC, who live in poverty, etc. I think they never intended to show that what Naomi did was good, they gave her motivation and a reason that makes sense to her, but never framed as it being the right thing to do, just a reason for her. It’s an obvious critique towards police and the justice system, you can tell by the way they portrayed Justin as well, he was just a young guy who made a bad choice and his life got ruined because of it.
@@bumblebeeproductions1673 there's an interview with Naomi, but she refuses to give her name or specifics and refuses to talk without her Lt. present. She also refuses to do an in-person interview. It's over the phone. She's super vague, just like in the play, "I was asked to prom. I didn't say yes. I didn't say I'd think about it." I believe that was an actual quote. Crazy, right?... Probably legal reasons, though...??... Also, a lot of people say that what she did was entrapment, but according to her, she didn't put the idea of getting weed into Justin's head. He pretty much came up with it himself bc he thought he could get with her if he got her drugs. Technically, by legal definition, not entrapment. She also claims that he took the money right away, while he claims that he had to be convinced. Who's telling the truth? Only they know. The unfortunate thing is that, had he gone to court, Justin probably would have lost due to the fact that there's a lot of he said/she said, BUT there is concrete text evidence of him saying he would get her drugs. Not at all defending her. Personally, I think she was too close to his age and too immature to be doing what she was doing. Based on Justin's accounts, it sounds like she let herself get a little too close. She was pretty much his therapist. The way she handled herself was definitely wrong and the ethics behind it were shady, but Lin definitely took some artistic liberties (ie, adding a more sexual aspect, from her side) that make her character even more despicable than I believe the real-life person is.. but dang, can Lindsay Mendez sing!.. ok, rant over..
Something I've always wondered too is if the part about her family having a drug history is true or if it's something Lin made up..? This adds another dynamic for me bc then it's like, does Naomi feel like she's making up for her childhood by doing this work? Is she so blinded by her own trauma that it's clouding her judgement? Should she not even have this assignment -- just like she wouldn't be assigned to investigate her mother's murder? (I don't think she was the kind of cop who did murder cases, but you get what I mean) If the drug history in her family wasn't true, I wonder what Lin's motivation was for including it? Create some sympathy? Idk that it worked... Apparently, I have way too much time on my hands.. 🙄🙄
She keeps saying “I’m doing my job I’m doing it right, I’m making life safer-“ like no she’s not. She didn’t catch a drug dealer, she created one. If she wasn’t there Justin would have led a great life. Also she put the fucking money in his hand.
I always saw it as "if I'm doing my job and I'm doing it right, I'm making life safer, one school at a time", yeah, IF you are doing your job and IF you are doing it right, then you would make life safer. But you didn't do your job right, so you ruined a life and made it worse.
This is it, this 15min bit is the whole thing. My understanding, though, is that this scenario was actually the origin of a lot of "entrapment" laws, where a cop coercing illegal behavior that otherwise would not have been committed, is a crime in itself. It's a tragic story, and that dirty feeling is what you're supposed to get from it =(
Yeah what Naomi did was pretty messed up. She even knew she did whenever Justin didn’t want to take the money. Then it wouldn’t be considered a drug deal. She basically just peer pressured Justin into becoming a “drug dealer.” Naomi then tried to justify by saying she is keeping schools safe even though Justin wouldn’t have been “endangering” the school if it weren’t for her
Did Naomi actually...do anything? Like, she led one guy on and ruined his chances at college. She didn't actually figure out the chain of deals that might have actually been going on, or anything like that, she just fucked one innocent man over. Who hired this woman?
What I love about this is that Anthony Ramos is in this too, I think this is how he got to be in the original cast of Hamilton because he already worked with Lin Manual Miranda on this, he’s also going to be in In the Heights movie which is also one of Lin Manual Miranda’s musicals
I LOVE THIS SHOW! Your opinion is totally valid, every time I watch this it hits so hard. I’ve always been on the side of Justin, because the ending part when she begs him to take the money pisses me off. Sadly the show is only 15 minutes, but i still love the show, even when it was annoying to watch poor Justin to get arrested for something he shouldn’t have. I 100% agree with you about it
If you really like Naomi’s actor and her voice, you should check out the 35 mm Musical Exhibition, written by Ryan Scott Oliver and based on his husband’s photographs! She (Lindsay Mendez) is one of the main actors, it’s so great! I really love “The Ballad of Sara Berry” especially, maybe check it out!
35MM is amazing and incredibly underrated. It also has actors from shows such as Falsettos and Beetlejuice. Also one of the performances on RUclips is by Britney Coleman (Bellatrix/Dean) in the Starkid Potter musicals.
Yes! Lindsay is my favorite actress and she has been in SO much! She was in she 2007 revival of grease, everyday rapture, the 2011 Godspell revival, Dogfight (legit the saddest musical ever), she was Elphaba in Wicked, and was in the 2018 Revival of Carousel (SHE WON A TONY) Ok, there’s my whole rant, check her out!
There is another clip somewhere in which Anthony and the real Justin are interviewed together. They talk about how Anthony with his dance experience has to make it look like he can't really dance at all (because the real Justin really danced for "Naomi".) Justin talks about how he didn't go to college, and was happy working a car mechanic now (I think.....pleas correct me if I'm wrong)
Love that you reacted to this! As I understood it's kind of the point to sympathize with Justin over the cop. I think this was a kind of PSA about this type of cap behaviour. Love this show!
I have watched 21 Chump st. many times. But when the chorus says "I'll think about it" several times, I had never noticed that Justin mouthed the words "oh sh-t."
I get what you're saying, the "I will find a way to repay you" is unclear. No transaction really goes like that, she straight up emotionally manipulated him and then she pressured him to take the money. However, Naomi never explicitly asked him to get her weed. He initiated getting her drugs with "...but if that's what you need I can find some for you I can be your supply" So he technically came up with the dumb idea to actually get her drugs to begin with. But then again he would do anything for her so if she would have proceeded to ask him they would end up om the same route. In this case though they were both at fault but I mostly sympathize with him
"yeah I don't think it the whole show, only like 15 mins" *honey you've got a storm coming*
Answer to your question: 21 chump street is in fact a 15 min musical. What you saw is what it is.
Also this was the whole show!!! It’s was just a little psa piece basically.
Dang, that's too bad, I need more lol
To be honest, I like how they framed Naomi here. I don’t know how the real case happened, so I can’t speak for the real people, so this is just about the show itself, so here I go: they framed Naomi as a cop, as someone who used a teenage boy to get what she wanted, to fill in a quota, which is obviously harmful to many communities, including POC, who live in poverty, etc. I think they never intended to show that what Naomi did was good, they gave her motivation and a reason that makes sense to her, but never framed as it being the right thing to do, just a reason for her. It’s an obvious critique towards police and the justice system, you can tell by the way they portrayed Justin as well, he was just a young guy who made a bad choice and his life got ruined because of it.
That's a very good point. It was more of an inditment on the justice system
Irl they never got an interview with Naomi
@@bumblebeeproductions1673 there's an interview with Naomi, but she refuses to give her name or specifics and refuses to talk without her Lt. present. She also refuses to do an in-person interview. It's over the phone. She's super vague, just like in the play, "I was asked to prom. I didn't say yes. I didn't say I'd think about it." I believe that was an actual quote. Crazy, right?... Probably legal reasons, though...??... Also, a lot of people say that what she did was entrapment, but according to her, she didn't put the idea of getting weed into Justin's head. He pretty much came up with it himself bc he thought he could get with her if he got her drugs. Technically, by legal definition, not entrapment. She also claims that he took the money right away, while he claims that he had to be convinced. Who's telling the truth? Only they know. The unfortunate thing is that, had he gone to court, Justin probably would have lost due to the fact that there's a lot of he said/she said, BUT there is concrete text evidence of him saying he would get her drugs. Not at all defending her. Personally, I think she was too close to his age and too immature to be doing what she was doing. Based on Justin's accounts, it sounds like she let herself get a little too close. She was pretty much his therapist. The way she handled herself was definitely wrong and the ethics behind it were shady, but Lin definitely took some artistic liberties (ie, adding a more sexual aspect, from her side) that make her character even more despicable than I believe the real-life person is.. but dang, can Lindsay Mendez sing!.. ok, rant over..
Something I've always wondered too is if the part about her family having a drug history is true or if it's something Lin made up..? This adds another dynamic for me bc then it's like, does Naomi feel like she's making up for her childhood by doing this work? Is she so blinded by her own trauma that it's clouding her judgement? Should she not even have this assignment -- just like she wouldn't be assigned to investigate her mother's murder? (I don't think she was the kind of cop who did murder cases, but you get what I mean) If the drug history in her family wasn't true, I wonder what Lin's motivation was for including it? Create some sympathy? Idk that it worked... Apparently, I have way too much time on my hands.. 🙄🙄
She keeps saying “I’m doing my job I’m doing it right, I’m making life safer-“ like no she’s not. She didn’t catch a drug dealer, she created one. If she wasn’t there Justin would have led a great life. Also she put the fucking money in his hand.
i always see it as naomi trying to convince herself she’s doing the right thing
I always saw it as "if I'm doing my job and I'm doing it right, I'm making life safer, one school at a time", yeah, IF you are doing your job and IF you are doing it right, then you would make life safer. But you didn't do your job right, so you ruined a life and made it worse.
This is it, this 15min bit is the whole thing. My understanding, though, is that this scenario was actually the origin of a lot of "entrapment" laws, where a cop coercing illegal behavior that otherwise would not have been committed, is a crime in itself. It's a tragic story, and that dirty feeling is what you're supposed to get from it =(
Yeah what Naomi did was pretty messed up. She even knew she did whenever Justin didn’t want to take the money. Then it wouldn’t be considered a drug deal. She basically just peer pressured Justin into becoming a “drug dealer.” Naomi then tried to justify by saying she is keeping schools safe even though Justin wouldn’t have been “endangering” the school if it weren’t for her
Super messed up...
Did Naomi actually...do anything? Like, she led one guy on and ruined his chances at college. She didn't actually figure out the chain of deals that might have actually been going on, or anything like that, she just fucked one innocent man over. Who hired this woman?
@@maxalldred9429 The worst part is that it's based on a real case.
What I love about this is that Anthony Ramos is in this too, I think this is how he got to be in the original cast of Hamilton because he already worked with Lin Manual Miranda on this, he’s also going to be in In the Heights movie which is also one of Lin Manual Miranda’s musicals
I really need to see more of In The Heights
You can see the face when he realizes that everything is going to go horribly wrong
By the way the back up singer with a cap is in BE MORE CHILL
He sings "the SQUIP song" you should probably check it out
also a deh alumni
Ill put it on the list :)
I KNEW HE LOOKED FAMILIAR OH MY GOD
EXACTLY LIKE INSTEAD OF GETTING THEM OFF THE STREET SHE CREATED ONE
Right? It just made me feel dirty watching it. But that's great theater, it made me feel
I cried the first time I saw this, knowing its a true story and that this woman basically ruined his life with no remorse
Yeah, Justin could've argued that it was entrapment if he hadn't pled guilty
That's why you always talk to a lawyer first lol
I LOVE THIS SHOW! Your opinion is totally valid, every time I watch this it hits so hard. I’ve always been on the side of Justin, because the ending part when she begs him to take the money pisses me off. Sadly the show is only 15 minutes, but i still love the show, even when it was annoying to watch poor Justin to get arrested for something he shouldn’t have. I 100% agree with you about it
Also, the fact that it’s Anthony Ramos makes it even harder to watch him get arrested
Right?? He's such a good dude
@@behindthecurvereacts Yes! Anthony Ramos is amazing
If you really like Naomi’s actor and her voice, you should check out the 35 mm Musical Exhibition, written by Ryan Scott Oliver and based on his husband’s photographs! She (Lindsay Mendez) is one of the main actors, it’s so great! I really love “The Ballad of Sara Berry” especially, maybe check it out!
I'll have to put it on the list!
35MM is amazing and incredibly underrated. It also has actors from shows such as Falsettos and Beetlejuice. Also one of the performances on RUclips is by Britney Coleman (Bellatrix/Dean) in the Starkid Potter musicals.
Yes! Lindsay is my favorite actress and she has been in SO much! She was in she 2007 revival of grease, everyday rapture, the 2011 Godspell revival, Dogfight (legit the saddest musical ever), she was Elphaba in Wicked, and was in the 2018 Revival of Carousel (SHE WON A TONY)
Ok, there’s my whole rant, check her out!
if i ever find out someone i know is naomi its gonna be on sight
There is another clip somewhere in which Anthony and the real Justin are interviewed together. They talk about how Anthony with his dance experience has to make it look like he can't really dance at all (because the real Justin really danced for "Naomi".) Justin talks about how he didn't go to college, and was happy working a car mechanic now (I think.....pleas correct me if I'm wrong)
Here it is: ruclips.net/video/PruUgsf0eL4/видео.html The dancing is in it, but not the car mechanic thing
Oh cool, thank you so much!
Yes! FINALLY, I've been waiting my all life for this
And this is the show...
I’m glad you reacted to this, not slot of people react to this. I’ve been looking for them😁
I'm glad I did, but now I just want more lol
Love that you reacted to this! As I understood it's kind of the point to sympathize with Justin over the cop. I think this was a kind of PSA about this type of cap behaviour. Love this show!
This is a real life story, Justin is a real person and everyone takes his side.
I didn't know about this musical, that was cool! I feel bad for him.
Oh hell yes 21 Chump Street
And I like you so much better now. We have the same thoughts on this!
I have watched 21 Chump st. many times. But when the chorus says "I'll think about it" several times, I had never noticed that Justin mouthed the words "oh sh-t."
What naomi did is illegal. She shouldnt have gotten away with it. She was not a little bit wrong for this. It was pure manipulation.
sadly she got away with it and our man justin didn’t get to go to college
Sadness :(
I get what you're saying, the "I will find a way to repay you" is unclear. No transaction really goes like that, she straight up emotionally manipulated him and then she pressured him to take the money. However, Naomi never explicitly asked him to get her weed. He initiated getting her drugs with "...but if that's what you need I can find some for you I can be your supply" So he technically came up with the dumb idea to actually get her drugs to begin with. But then again he would do anything for her so if she would have proceeded to ask him they would end up om the same route. In this case though they were both at fault but I mostly sympathize with him
I'm sorry I just found it really funny when you referred to the characters by the actors haha. "Anthony Ramos just wanted sex"
hey, did you ever do a full Hamilton reaction? I looked on your patreon and didn't see one
Based on a true story
i love this show's message about the legal system. what naomi did was illegal and she got away with it, meanwhile justin's life was ruined
👍
It’s based on a TRUE story. Research it