If the prices continue to rise, I hope Nissan continues to make heritage collection body panels, so you can at least piece together a homebuilt kit car clone/replica with genuine parts.
@TheRacingJoker I read that they're not using dies to make these panels(the dies were probably scrapped many years ago), they use two robotic arms to press the sheet metal from each side, almost like manual metal forming but with robots.
What i’ve gathered from looking at the prices almost daily is that whenever one goes on Cars and Bids, Bring a Trailer, and Japanese auction sites is that it’s almost always the same 15-20 people bidding over $100k immediately when the car goes up for auction. They’re coming down and maybe might hit one more jump then settle. Same with GTT’s, i’ve seen the same GTT’s that were asking for $70k+ and now they’re $50k
That’s interesting, I didn’t even think to check and see if there were repeat bidders on other cars. Edit: JESUS CHRIST ON A BIKE. A GTT for 70 grand? That sounds like they’re trying to sell to a lobotomy patient with too much money
@@TheRacingJoker I’ve seen a few on BAT mainly, i’m on the exact same boat as you when it comes to debating if building a GTT would be cheaper than buying a GTR but man i added it all up and $120k average for everything i’d do minus the RB26, i’d stick with the RB25 NEO I’ve seen a few base model GTR’s sell for $90k-ish so they’re coming down. And guess what, 2 N1’s sold just under $300k on BAT when not too long ago people were asking $500k+ recently so people are starting to realize they’re not worth the insane prices
@@idontgotagun9867 way I see it is if I go the GTT route I’m just going to make it into a fullblown road course car for track days like my M3. No interior, full cage and use one of the new PRP RB26 blocks that recently got showcased
I watch collector car feed. Netgear said that its basically muscle car muscle car boom. Where we all agree that 60s-70s muscle cars are worth so much money. Japanese cars are no different and we have generation's of people (fast and furious 1, initial d, games) that are all trying to buy the same car.
Look, it was inevitable that these 90s JDM cars would one day become collector cars and fetch collector car prices. Honestly I've done all 5 stages of grieving and accepted the fact R34 GTRs and many other JDM cars will only go higher and higher in price as the years pass. I really don't care at this point. Maybe when I'm older I'll have enough to afford these cars and maybe consider buying one. But rn imma start earning cash and start worrying about more important stuff in life.
I don’t understand why the sellers demand so much for a R34, at the end of the day it’s a Nissan. No one should be paying upwards of half a million for a Nissan.
So you’re devaluing something because of its brand? With that logic then r35s should be less than 20k cause “at the end of the day it’s a Nissan” The prices are high because of supply and demand with speculators ramping up prices.
@ktroopa yeah, unfortunately, that's the way it works. When you have something rare that many people want, you can pretty much get whatever you want for it.
Good video, I'm glad that you pointed out the "does this FEEL like its a 100k car?" You can get a lot of drivers car for 100K, depending what you're looking for. Then on top of that, will you be satisfied with it, as you're probably going to want to do vacuum line deletes, fuel management, ECU, all that just to bring it to modern standards. I think that people use the R34 tagline as a reason to drive prices up and eventually it will reach a plateau where the price isn't justifiable to spend, even for a R34 GTR
They're not. Think to yourself, is an M-spec Nur really worth at least 3 times the price of a base model R34 GTR? Or better yet, is a base R34 GTR really worth 2-3 times the amount the amount for an R32 GTR or an R33 GTR?
Hahaha Houston Crosta blacklisted me from Royalty Exotic Rentals and said to me he’ll call the police on me if I ever step foot in the shop again. The funny thing is that all I did was launch his Lamborghini Aventador a few times and one of his close friends happened to see me do it and then proceeded to call Houston and claim that I was “breaking his car.” Houston told me to bring his Aventador back immediately canceling my 24 rental 20 hours in, so I did. On my arrival I asked the manager if everything was ok with the car and if I was clear to rent cars in the future and he said, “Of course, no problem. And the car is fine.” 15 minutes later Houston took $2,000 out of my checking account without telling after and this is AFTER I’d already paid $2,400 for the 24 hour rental! That was the last of my money in my checking so my wife and I had to leave the next day which was my 30th birthday! I emailed Houston and ranted at him that he should’ve at least warned me that he was going to pointlessly charge me $2000 extra, that I’d already rented three other cars from him totaling $2500, and that I was a huge fan of his who watched all his RUclips videos and bought all his merch. I told him that if he needed the $2000 he took from me that bad that he could keep it but that I’d never ever support him or his business again. He emailed me three minutes later and said, “I’ve refunded your money back but you are blacklisted from my business for life.” 🤣 ok bro.
Huh? that's bizarre. That said, his whole weird spat with DDE does tell me he has a unique perspective and approach to how he operates. Which in one way makes him a great businessman, but on the other hand that probably makes him less agreeable. But I could be wrong, I've never met the man.
It’s really sad to see a car this iconic become a speculator gold mine, something of a 401K to collectors, or/and an identity for the everyday person who decided to buy one of these instead of a house in TX.
A car where one of it’s selling points was that it offered insane performance for less money than a supercar has now joined the collector supercar price bracket
Do you think prices will go down as new years/better trims will be available? Like the new Corvette, when the C8 Stingray came out they were overpriced, but when the Z06 was announced the started dropping and now that the ZR1 is announced Z06s are being sold for MSRP new and under for a used one. Think this happens t other GTR?
I rather have zr1 corvette! Rb26 parts are already over priced! I have a 240sx s14 97 with a sr20det s14 have you seen the prices for jdm parts? I’m blessed that I got all my spare parts through the years.
The ones locally have been around for 9 years , since Canada has a 15 year rule, most expensive I ve seen is a 2001 Nissan Skyline R34 RB26 for 160 Canadian..most Starr around 35 to 90K..knock a third off for USD.
The answer, is no, they're not worth the money they're going for. Same goes for S13's, S14's and anything from this era. They're all worth insane money (and i don't really understand why, after owning two S14's) I get that they're cool, and they were manufactuered when cars (especially cars of this caliber) were at the peak. (Not that anybody knew it at the time) but nostalgia has ruined the market for these cars, and so did the Fast and Furious Movies. (Not that I hate the fast and furious movies, i love em) I think what drove the price up, was rich people paying insane money for them over the last 20 years, and now we're at a point where its out of hand, and now all cars of this era are harder to buy and to sell.
It's rough because the original appeal for all of these cars was that they were great tuning platforms with great potential for a great price. Now they're just okay tuning platforms for a bad price
Don't bother converting a GTT to a full GTR. Too expensive and too much trouble. Reach out to Driver Motorsports to source you an R34. I should've had mine already but I spent money on other things.
@@TheRacingJoker Yeah my customizations are not too intense. R34 GTR bumpers, side skirts, wing, HKS GTIII-4R turbo kit, HKS Hi-Power exhaust, CD09 transmission, electric cobalt blue paint, custom red jewel S badges similar to the Altia kit S, maybe leather interior, maybe dual function headlight and tail light mods.
I don't think 80, 90, or even 100k is unreasonable for a car like this if it's in very good condition, but more than that is starting to get ridiculous.
@@GH05TR1DR The fact that whenever you speak to a Japanese about these cars, they laugh at westerners for buying them at those prices. Is proof those prices are unreasonable. The people they were made for don't even wanna buy them that high.
@@TheRacingJoker yeah, i fell inlove with the body kit, and i wonder if there's any way could buy it even if it's just replica made by third party company, even if i search online there's not a single widebody available for m8 i wonder why
Ok, so you can have a fully built GTT for the same price as a stock GTR. I'm not sure the point you were trying to make, but I think you missed it. I'm not sure why a felly built car helps determine the value of a stock car. I think what you really proved was that it is more worth it to get a GTT and do a full build instead of getting a GTR
I wasn’t trying to make a particular point, at the end of that thought experiment I decided the cost was getting too high to be worth continuing the research path. Instead I allowed people to draw their own conclusions. A built GTT converted to GTR spec being well over 150k is worth it to some but not all
@TheRacingJoker however, you were so close to just showing that, unless you need AWD or the GTR name plate, you can build a fully built GTT that looks like a GTR For the same cost as a normal GTR
@@JDArcher GTT is not the same as a GTR Period. All that money invested to make it look like a GTR will never be recouped when selling. Those that have gone through the muscle car era of collectability will understand this. It's not the technology, it's simply the production numbers. Vintage Shelby mustangs are exactly like what the Skylines are going through. At least with Skylines the different models really reflected some differences in performance. A Vintage Shelby Mustang is 4-5x valued more than a stock Mustang yet you can mod up a stock mustang to be faster and look like a Shelby mustang but when you go to sell you will get called out. How do I know? I have had plain mustangs and a Shelby Mustang and also am a fortunate owner of a R34 GTR Vspec. Just look at the production numbers and you will see what is going on. You have collectors, enthusiasts and opportunists that determine the value of a car.
@seekingtruth3228 to me this is the wrong way if thinking when it comes to cars that has created the issue with the market we have now. People are looking at cars as an investment. To me, they are not. If you have a GTT and you build it to what you want for $89k to $120k, drive it and love it, then the name plate doesn't matter. You're not building it with the idea of selling for profit, you're building it for the love of it. I currently have a R35 GTR and I daily drive it. It currently has over 130k on it. Now I could have stuck it in a garage, took it out once a month to cars and coffee and put it back. Would it be worth more on resale, hell ya, but would I have enjoyed it as much F no. When people get into this invesment/collector mentality, I wish they would just go buy art or stocks instead...here again, this is just my philosophy
@@JDArcher Respect your opinion. I drive and work on all my cars as much as I can. People buy cars and they go up 10% and they claim it's okay to profit. But when is it too much? 50%? I guess it depends which side of the fence you are on. I buy my cars to enjoy them and if they go up in value then it's a plus.
I guess to me a collector car needs a little bit more than just pop culture significance. I don’t see the R34 as a race bred street car or a one of a kind masterpiece like the F1. It’s a movie car or a gamer car.
If the prices continue to rise, I hope Nissan continues to make heritage collection body panels, so you can at least piece together a homebuilt kit car clone/replica with genuine parts.
I’d have to double check but I think Nismo are the ones reproducing old parts (I think it has to do with their restoration type programs)
@TheRacingJoker I read that they're not using dies to make these panels(the dies were probably scrapped many years ago), they use two robotic arms to press the sheet metal from each side, almost like manual metal forming but with robots.
What i’ve gathered from looking at the prices almost daily is that whenever one goes on Cars and Bids, Bring a Trailer, and Japanese auction sites is that it’s almost always the same 15-20 people bidding over $100k immediately when the car goes up for auction. They’re coming down and maybe might hit one more jump then settle. Same with GTT’s, i’ve seen the same GTT’s that were asking for $70k+ and now they’re $50k
That’s interesting, I didn’t even think to check and see if there were repeat bidders on other cars.
Edit: JESUS CHRIST ON A BIKE. A GTT for 70 grand? That sounds like they’re trying to sell to a lobotomy patient with too much money
@@TheRacingJoker I’ve seen a few on BAT mainly, i’m on the exact same boat as you when it comes to debating if building a GTT would be cheaper than buying a GTR but man i added it all up and $120k average for everything i’d do minus the RB26, i’d stick with the RB25 NEO
I’ve seen a few base model GTR’s sell for $90k-ish so they’re coming down. And guess what, 2 N1’s sold just under $300k on BAT when not too long ago people were asking $500k+ recently so people are starting to realize they’re not worth the insane prices
@@idontgotagun9867 way I see it is if I go the GTT route I’m just going to make it into a fullblown road course car for track days like my M3. No interior, full cage and use one of the new PRP RB26 blocks that recently got showcased
I watch collector car feed. Netgear said that its basically muscle car muscle car boom. Where we all agree that 60s-70s muscle cars are worth so much money. Japanese cars are no different and we have generation's of people (fast and furious 1, initial d, games) that are all trying to buy the same car.
Yeah I’m pretty sure you’re exactly right
Nice to see a fellow CCF enjoyer
Netgear has some dogshit opinions usually but most Silvia owners do but i agreed with that tbh
Look, it was inevitable that these 90s JDM cars would one day become collector cars and fetch collector car prices. Honestly I've done all 5 stages of grieving and accepted the fact R34 GTRs and many other JDM cars will only go higher and higher in price as the years pass. I really don't care at this point. Maybe when I'm older I'll have enough to afford these cars and maybe consider buying one. But rn imma start earning cash and start worrying about more important stuff in life.
I’ve kinda hit the acceptance stage where I’m just chasing higher paychecks now. I don’t have much of a choice since everything is so expensive
@@TheRacingJoker good luck to you bro. Hope u can make that bread and be able to buy your dream cars and do your dream builds.
I don’t think so, unless it’s a 90’s shop car(Mine’s, HKS, Nismo). I’d pay stupid money to own the HKS R33 drag car.
I always figured the ztune was the untouchable holy grail lol.
I don’t understand why the sellers demand so much for a R34, at the end of the day it’s a Nissan. No one should be paying upwards of half a million for a Nissan.
It’s definitely a good chunk of change!
@J-Rizzler it's supply and demand. And unfortunately, like Tom said in the video, some rich people are willing to pay what they're asking.
True statement and it's crazy how expensive they are getting
So you’re devaluing something because of its brand? With that logic then r35s should be less than 20k cause “at the end of the day it’s a Nissan”
The prices are high because of supply and demand with speculators ramping up prices.
@ktroopa yeah, unfortunately, that's the way it works. When you have something rare that many people want, you can pretty much get whatever you want for it.
Good video, I'm glad that you pointed out the "does this FEEL like its a 100k car?" You can get a lot of drivers car for 100K, depending what you're looking for. Then on top of that, will you be satisfied with it, as you're probably going to want to do vacuum line deletes, fuel management, ECU, all that just to bring it to modern standards.
I think that people use the R34 tagline as a reason to drive prices up and eventually it will reach a plateau where the price isn't justifiable to spend, even for a R34 GTR
If I could buy one for what I believe they’re worth, I’d buy an M Spec Nur for 90k
They're not. Think to yourself, is an M-spec Nur really worth at least 3 times the price of a base model R34 GTR? Or better yet, is a base R34 GTR really worth 2-3 times the amount the amount for an R32 GTR or an R33 GTR?
In my opinion no, I would’ve gotten M-Spec Nur no problem if they were still 90k though
Hahaha Houston Crosta blacklisted me from Royalty Exotic Rentals and said to me he’ll call the police on me if I ever step foot in the shop again.
The funny thing is that all I did was launch his Lamborghini Aventador a few times and one of his close friends happened to see me do it and then proceeded to call Houston and claim that I was “breaking his car.” Houston told me to bring his Aventador back immediately canceling my 24 rental 20 hours in, so I did. On my arrival I asked the manager if everything was ok with the car and if I was clear to rent cars in the future and he said, “Of course, no problem. And the car is fine.”
15 minutes later Houston took $2,000 out of my checking account without telling after and this is AFTER I’d already paid $2,400 for the 24 hour rental! That was the last of my money in my checking so my wife and I had to leave the next day which was my 30th birthday!
I emailed Houston and ranted at him that he should’ve at least warned me that he was going to pointlessly charge me $2000 extra, that I’d already rented three other cars from him totaling $2500, and that I was a huge fan of his who watched all his RUclips videos and bought all his merch. I told him that if he needed the $2000 he took from me that bad that he could keep it but that I’d never ever support him or his business again.
He emailed me three minutes later and said, “I’ve refunded your money back but you are blacklisted from my business for life.”
🤣 ok bro.
Huh? that's bizarre. That said, his whole weird spat with DDE does tell me he has a unique perspective and approach to how he operates. Which in one way makes him a great businessman, but on the other hand that probably makes him less agreeable. But I could be wrong, I've never met the man.
It’s really sad to see a car this iconic become a speculator gold mine, something of a 401K to collectors, or/and an identity for the everyday person who decided to buy one of these instead of a house in TX.
A car where one of it’s selling points was that it offered insane performance for less money than a supercar has now joined the collector supercar price bracket
@@TheRacingJoker It costs more than a 996 Turbo smh and even the 993 Turbo smh
Do you think prices will go down as new years/better trims will be available? Like the new Corvette, when the C8 Stingray came out they were overpriced, but when the Z06 was announced the started dropping and now that the ZR1 is announced Z06s are being sold for MSRP new and under for a used one. Think this happens t other GTR?
Nothing is impossible. But the hype has to die down first.
I rather have zr1 corvette!
Rb26 parts are already over priced!
I have a 240sx s14 97 with a sr20det s14 have you seen the prices for jdm parts?
I’m blessed that I got all my spare parts through the years.
For real dude it’s so much money
The ones locally have been around for 9 years , since Canada has a 15 year rule, most expensive I ve seen is a 2001 Nissan Skyline R34 RB26 for 160 Canadian..most Starr around 35 to 90K..knock a third off for USD.
The answer, is no, they're not worth the money they're going for. Same goes for S13's, S14's and anything from this era. They're all worth insane money (and i don't really understand why, after owning two S14's) I get that they're cool, and they were manufactuered when cars (especially cars of this caliber) were at the peak. (Not that anybody knew it at the time) but nostalgia has ruined the market for these cars, and so did the Fast and Furious Movies. (Not that I hate the fast and furious movies, i love em)
I think what drove the price up, was rich people paying insane money for them over the last 20 years, and now we're at a point where its out of hand, and now all cars of this era are harder to buy and to sell.
It's rough because the original appeal for all of these cars was that they were great tuning platforms with great potential for a great price. Now they're just okay tuning platforms for a bad price
Don't bother converting a GTT to a full GTR. Too expensive and too much trouble. Reach out to Driver Motorsports to source you an R34. I should've had mine already but I spent money on other things.
I’m just going to have to save a TON for my dream GTR if I commit to that route. Like almost half a million
@@TheRacingJoker Yeah my customizations are not too intense. R34 GTR bumpers, side skirts, wing, HKS GTIII-4R turbo kit, HKS Hi-Power exhaust, CD09 transmission, electric cobalt blue paint, custom red jewel S badges similar to the Altia kit S, maybe leather interior, maybe dual function headlight and tail light mods.
@@shindukess I still really want an M-Spec Nur. That’s my problem.
@@TheRacingJoker ah I just want an R34 at this point. NEO engine and CD09 transmission though.
@@shindukess I’ll take a standard M Spec at this point but it’s still about 175k USD. I don’t like the standard GTR interiors
I love fast and furious and especially Brian O'Connor but I ain't spending 100k on no supra or skyline!! Simple
Supras are cheaper nowadays
I don't think 80, 90, or even 100k is unreasonable for a car like this if it's in very good condition, but more than that is starting to get ridiculous.
@@TheRacingJoker All the websites I checked still have them over 110k and they're mostly stock. 😭🙂
@@GH05TR1DR The fact that whenever you speak to a Japanese about these cars, they laugh at westerners for buying them at those prices. Is proof those prices are unreasonable. The people they were made for don't even wanna buy them that high.
Smart man
hi it's a weird question to ask but i wonder if there's any possible way to buy bmw m8 gte le mans used bodykit?
That's a really good question. It wouldn't be easy since the M8 GTE racecar chassis would be different structurally
@@TheRacingJoker yeah, i fell inlove with the body kit, and i wonder if there's any way could buy it even if it's just replica made by third party company, even if i search online there's not a single widebody available for m8 i wonder why
Ok, so you can have a fully built GTT for the same price as a stock GTR. I'm not sure the point you were trying to make, but I think you missed it. I'm not sure why a felly built car helps determine the value of a stock car. I think what you really proved was that it is more worth it to get a GTT and do a full build instead of getting a GTR
I wasn’t trying to make a particular point, at the end of that thought experiment I decided the cost was getting too high to be worth continuing the research path. Instead I allowed people to draw their own conclusions. A built GTT converted to GTR spec being well over 150k is worth it to some but not all
@TheRacingJoker however, you were so close to just showing that, unless you need AWD or the GTR name plate, you can build a fully built GTT that looks like a GTR For the same cost as a normal GTR
@@JDArcher GTT is not the same as a GTR Period. All that money invested to make it look like a GTR will never be recouped when selling. Those that have gone through the muscle car era of collectability will understand this. It's not the technology, it's simply the production numbers. Vintage Shelby mustangs are exactly like what the Skylines are going through. At least with Skylines the different models really reflected some differences in performance. A Vintage Shelby Mustang is 4-5x valued more than a stock Mustang yet you can mod up a stock mustang to be faster and look like a Shelby mustang but when you go to sell you will get called out. How do I know? I have had plain mustangs and a Shelby Mustang and also am a fortunate owner of a R34 GTR Vspec. Just look at the production numbers and you will see what is going on. You have collectors, enthusiasts and opportunists that determine the value of a car.
@seekingtruth3228 to me this is the wrong way if thinking when it comes to cars that has created the issue with the market we have now. People are looking at cars as an investment. To me, they are not. If you have a GTT and you build it to what you want for $89k to $120k, drive it and love it, then the name plate doesn't matter. You're not building it with the idea of selling for profit, you're building it for the love of it. I currently have a R35 GTR and I daily drive it. It currently has over 130k on it. Now I could have stuck it in a garage, took it out once a month to cars and coffee and put it back. Would it be worth more on resale, hell ya, but would I have enjoyed it as much F no. When people get into this invesment/collector mentality, I wish they would just go buy art or stocks instead...here again, this is just my philosophy
@@JDArcher Respect your opinion. I drive and work on all my cars as much as I can.
People buy cars and they go up 10% and they claim it's okay to profit. But when is it too much? 50%? I guess it depends which side of the fence you are on. I buy my cars to enjoy them and if they go up in value then it's a plus.
If you have the money to buy a Porsche, lambo, or Ferrari, then it’s worth it, because the gtr is a better car than all of those cars
A Porsche owner told me driving a vspec 2 was like driving his old S203 STI. He didn’t understand why it costed almost 200k.
Limited availability
The R34 is literally the most overhyped car ever. No it's not even worth $50,000. let alone $350,000
I would’ve grabbed one for 45k in 2014 if it werent for the fact I was 15 and in high school lol
@@Und34d_R That's the thing, a Corolla is faster than the R34 Skyline lol
@@Und34d_R Bofa, street and track. I don't care about production years, I'm talking about now.
@TheRealCatof "This new car is better than that old car you like. It's not even worth 50k because, it's like slow and ugly and stuff" 🤣
@@GH05TR1DR No Nissan is worth 100k lol
Why is a 1971 porsche 911 worth a lot of money? Because it's a collector car, same as R34.
I guess to me a collector car needs a little bit more than just pop culture significance. I don’t see the R34 as a race bred street car or a one of a kind masterpiece like the F1. It’s a movie car or a gamer car.