Strengthening Magecraft Explained | Fate/Stay Night/FGO
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Medea: "I have true magic"
Rin: " *100% MAXIMUM NO CHILL* " *punches Medea*
Archer: who's the devil now
@@Silly_Illidan Rin: You are
mirai saikou
A fellow abridged fan
I think there're 2 style of strengthening. First is the regular risky reinforcement that Shirou and Rin used, the type that also boost the object's purpose like making lamp shine brighter. The other is mana burst/Aoko's style where you expel mana like jet engine to augment your strength.
Wait Aoko utilizes Manaburst?Arnt her Circuits like the Book definition of Average .They are C ranked.Her Od recovery rate and efficiency is likely extremely high due to her Circuit Rotation speed but I don't think she has enough Magical Energy to perform Manaburst(Saber expels Magical Energy equivalent to multiple modern Magi when fighting for a few minutes,Rin with her 1000 Units of Mana would hardly last 1 min with such a fighting style ,not to mention the accuracy and timming required to pull such a thing off.Artoria can do this because of 2 reasons.One ,she has a Magic Core that even if lowballed has atleast Magical Energy equivalent to a few hundred Magi( Assume 3000 to 4000 units since FGO states the highest ranking NPs of normal servants have an output within 4000 ).
Now that Might sound impressive enough but No.What makes a Magic Core really impressive is not it's Capacity ,It's the Od regeneration.Artoria ,similar to Dragons can produce magical Energy by the mere act of breathing.Meaning that when summoned with a fully functional Dragon Core Artoria regenerates her Magical Energy with every breath.A magus requires atleast a few hours if not a day to recover their magical energy.Artoria can do it it mere minutes if not seconds.
Two,her Instinct skill probably allows her to time her Manbursts right due to gut feelings.Even though it's never stated I personally believe that her Instinct skill is partially a result of her Draconic heritage,since even those more skilled than her like Lancelot or Herakles don't possess it.Only her and Modred posses that particular skill and Beowulf because he fights more like a Phantasmal beast than a human.
@@SiegfriedFafnirsbane The way mahoyo and melty blood describe Aoko self-reinforcement is different than how reinforcement was repeatedly describe in FSN. Specifically about in melee combat that she expelled mana out from her limb like jet engine as she strikes.
That description is very similar to how Mana Burst was describe in material and depicted in FZ.
As for how it's possible that might be related to how Aoko mana usage is extremely efficient. She's about 100 times more efficient than average mage who has od level of about 25 unit, so Aoko effectively has 2500 unit of od. Rin only has about 500 (1000 is her max output, not her capacity), so Aoko = 5 Rins. And due to that efficiency, each unit of od Aoko regenerate would also worth 4 mages capacity combine.
With such crazy efficiency and Aoko main gimmick is that she just shoot raw mana out of her body, I think it's likely that Aoko can produce effect similar to mana burst (albeit weaker) while spending much less mana. Basically if Saber spend 100 unit per mana burst'd attack, Aoko would spend 1 unit for similar effect
Medea: True Magic, Color beams!
Rin: Cute, TAKE 10 YEAR OF CQC TO THE CHEST
Clicked on this faster than Medusa's petrification
That shit do be happening fast
Rin said "magecraft from the age of gods? No baby these HANDS from the gods." 😂
I would love for some version of Shirou to use his insane lvls of reinforcement and alteration to make his opponent's weapons turn to jelly or for the metal to turn to slag...mid fight
mages only seem weak when compared to the like of heroic spirits wich is like comparing planets to stars
compared to your average schmuck even a novice could break a man in half if he knew reinforcement.
True, a normal reinforced punch would be enough to shatter your bones and destroy several organs.
Mostly true
Chad shirou says no
Or maybe you could just punch someone and forcefully reinforce there organs or limb and intentionally fail
Punch face
Eye's pop
Win
That could work, but it would affect the who reinforced as well. It could rebound and do something worst with you.
I think you all forgot that their is a concept of resistance to any kind of magecraft that directly affects the individual
When i saw the fight between bazzet and Illya + Kuro/Chloe + Miyu.
First, I was like, "Who is she?! This chick is beating the dog shit out of these little girls! Talk about E for everyone!"
Then when she used her noble phantasm I was like, "Wait! Humans cans have noble phantasms! I thought only servants could have this power! Did that shit just reverse time!!! DAMN!!!!!"
Was anyone else's reaction like mine?
And Bazzett was holding back during that fight because she doesn't want to hurt them badly
@@erenkruger5760 I was under the impression that she was gonna keep beating their asses until they gave her what she wanted.
@@KallaTheYapper347 yea but she was holding back against illya and the others because she doesn't want to kill them
Illya,Kuro and Miyu still got that ass beating from Bazzet tho 😂 Bazzet is a fking beast even the girl whos wielding the mjolnir class card says shes strong
@@derekbates4316 Yeah but at the same time didn't kid gil get defeated by Dual Magical Girl Illya.
Seems the king of heroes can't seem to win against the Emiyas. First, it was shirou, the faker/copycat. Now it's Illya the Magical Girl of mages.
Man, Gil can't catch a break. I guess I'm next in line to beat him and humble him. Lol.
@@derekbates4316 Yes. I'll take her out the same way my predecessor put down Kuzuki but it may require me to be more aggressive with my attacks.
The way I understand it reinforcement magecraft puts an additional value to your power which is why its useful if your are weak but not so much if you are strong. If the power was multiplicative then yes anyone not matter how strong they are will want to have it.
What I mean is if your strength was a 10 and reinforcement was 70 then 10+70=80, which is a pretty good boost to power. But if your strength is 1000 like then an addition of 80 is nothing at that point.
Unless you're as powerful as Medea who can amp a dude to go toe to toe with servants. Including someone as fast and strong as Medusa and Artoria.
Reinforcement is more of a multiplicative. The higher you base stats is, the stronger is the effect of Reinforcement. In-game it would be like 100% percent strengthening
Reinforcement is a multiplicative buff. It's just that the cost and difficulty of using it scales with the target. For example if you try to reinforce a regular sword, it won't take much energy to double it's parameters. However if you're trying to reinforce a noble phantasm it will take at least dozens of times more energy AND the process will require just as much more skill to not fuck it up and break it.
Archer EMIYA does sometimes use low rank NPs on the verge of breaking from being almost overloaded with reinforcement as projectiles, however unlike a normal servant he can trace as many copies of said NPs as he needs. A normal servant however has to be careful with their NP unless they want to lose it. Besides that even those servant's that do know magecraft usually never felt the need to master such a difficult skill with so little payoff.
@@FerunaLutelou We don't know if Broken Phantasms are an effect of his reinforcement magecraft. That is just your speculation and it would have been stated to be reinforcemet if it was the case.
The fact that all servants can do it means its more of a servant ability rather than magecraft which only mages can do.
@@kyleroman2744 If that is the case why isn't Archer's Strength and Agility parameters not higher if he could just multiply them?
Why does he never use reinforcement to boost his strength in fights?
Just what I needed after a tiring shift
RIP couldn't get Merlin hopefully next time, I really need my own since I can't always rely on friend support forever.
Don't worry. I'm at lb2 and i only have 1ssr is osakabehime assasin but I'm still fine so you'll be fine
@@julliard757DAMN, when I was in lb2, I had 5 ssr servants: Arjuna alter, Melusine, Odysseus, Gilgamesh, and El-Melloi (free ssr)
This is from a F2p player
when the bro Tsiah upload a video, you drop what you are doing smoke a joint and watch the video
5:22 another example of this is when Miyuverse Shirou finishes off all the seven servants in one night, one of the opponents was killed by him in a similar manner
Class is in session
explain harlot authority tho
Reinforcement magecraft always reminds me of Enhancement nen from Hunter x Hunter especially when it's applied to one's limbs.
Nice video
murasaki shikubu when? i wanna hear tsiahs take on my 2nd fav female servant! thanks for this up my guy!
Outstanding video
has anyone ever used strengthening magic on an opponents body and purposely fucked it up to cripple them? i feel like thats an obvious utility.
glad this channel exists👍
Thank you for this video.
please talk and cover more about Shirou from under snow thank you
5:00 Huh you know after watching HF and rewatching this fight in the F-route(plus some walkthroughs of the VN). I just discover somewhat of a plot hole. Kirei should NOT have died to that. Right? Shouldn't his fake/mud/black Heart made him keep fighting Shirou? Just like it did his fight with True-Assassin.
Actually, now that I mention neither should his death in UBW make sense. Cause Cu stab him in the chest but should NOT work on him. He should just get back from both of these. Either I'm dumb-dumb or did Natsu f-up when he wrote HF?
No, see in HF his connection to the grail/mud was already broken by that point. So while he was still technicially alive, it was only on barrowed time. So he really couldn't actual use strengthening on himself since that would burn through whatever time he had left. His death in UBW is sensible becasue Cu's spear not only periced Kirei's black heart, it is speificially cursed so that any wound to the heart will *always* be fatal. The cruse it deilvers can only really be counted by very high luck and good reflexes (like with saber) but even then the wound it leaves is pretty bad and takes a long time to heal. In fact, it'll never truely heal completely until the spear is destroter or Cu is killed. As for the damage it does, it's best sumerized as "the damage that the spear would do + whatever the targets HP is", so Kirei was screwed.
@@alispeed5095 what about his fight against Shiro in fate-route though, shouldn't Kirei be able to survive that?
@@BlackHole392 Okay looking at this comment I don't think I was as clear as I could have been. Let me rewrite this. First I already KNEW about what happened HF, especially how she Sakura cut Kirei off, and him on borrowed time. I didn't really say/ask about anything to do with strengthening. Don't know why that was brought up. My comment wasn't about his death the HF route, but the other two routes(Fate and UBw) that surrounds Kirei death in those. And why with the knowagle grain after watching HF why they didn't much up.
If I didn't make clear in first comment, my b.
Also as writing this my dumbass completely forgot the fact that Cu burn down the place they were both that. As a way to take Kirei with him, so I wonder after stabbing Kirei that he knew there was a chance that he wasn't fully dead yet.
Nah, in all 3 the deaths make sense. In og fate route, he literally took an explosion to the chest. He has no heart, but an explosion in the chest is still gonna run his fade. In ubw, he got hit by lancers spear, which is both a cursed weapon and a noble phantasm (on top of lancers burning the place down). In HF, the reason he tanked zabaniya is only because the attack was _only_ meant hit hearts, and had no additional effects.
Man kirei got cursed with bad luck to be dying in every route
Awesome
Funny how Medea forgot she could reinforce herself as well 😂
It's possible she can only reinforce one person at a time so she went with reinforcing her master
@@MDKGunner that's a terrible handicap for a 'age of the gods' magi.
Hey tsiah, could you make a video about origins like kiritsugu’s one or any other people that may have one
Otakudaikun made one on his lessons in magecraft videos
@@thirdplanet4471 oh ok but i would still like it if tsiah made one since i think it would be better
Compare mana burst to strengthening magic.
So what if emiya use reinforcement/strengthing magecraft into his kanshou and bakuya sword will it's durability enhanced? And will it's physical and magic resistance enhanced aswell?
Overedge upgrade I think is the reinforced version of K&B
@@NeinKyori Correct Overedge is their upgraded form i don't think it's been stated if their natural effects like their resistance effect gets upgraded though but they do get stronger i just don't know what rank they become
Another cool video
Can you explain fifth magic it would help me A lot
I just realized if doing reinforcement bad makes the object break down to less than it was, then wouldn’t it be theoretically possible for a mage to intentionally reinforce something wrong to cause a bit of damage to it? I’d imagine at least with weaker materials like wood it would basically just make them explode right?
Pog
Good video
Imagine the Alien god reinforcing himself
nice
Great 👍 video
How about the elements next time
Oh you're on Twitch I'll give a follow
I'm 1 hour late can do one more seven evils of humanity please
Are you sure he doesn't have the first magic I remember his projects doesn't fade and their almost indistinguishable from the original. Albeit a quality lower because his mind can't comprehend it or something or is that just fanon?
His projections don’t fade because of the extra steps he does when projecting something compared to everyone else. Can’t remember what route it was but Rin asks about it and he explains his steps of tracing which she was bewildered by because it was more than what was usually done for projection. So while others use projection and get hollow creations that merely look like the item they wanted, Shirou’s have more substance to them which makes them more real and thus Gaia doesn’t try to erase them by rejecting their existence.
As for the degradation of a rank, it was stated to be because he couldn’t completely grasp an item’s existence through sight alone. In order to make a true one to one replica without any degradation then he’s need to study it thoroughly using all of his senses. That’s why he can project a perfect copy of Avalon, because it was a part of his being for 10 years. He had been unknowingly analyzing it the entire time.
Damn I’m in 16th place.But top 30 seems somewhat good.
Damn the fate route looks like a fucking low budget hentai
lmaoooooooo
not gonna lie i read Strengthening Minecraft LOL
1:28 I've had mad respects for shirou for years but if he didn't know when his reinforcement was getting out of hand despite the color coding at 1:28, he really is a 3rd rate and deserved his open heart surgery
Can I see the math
Rin was able to reinforce for her limbs so well it make her bullshido an effective martial art lololol In reality, banjekan is fake master bullshido and it can't do shit in a real fight so you never see combat sports fighters even in mention in. It doesn't matter what they say purpose is for, it's useless in real combat. Hence it takes a lot of reinforcement to make it effected against people with no hand to hand combat skill lololol. Rin get's one punched by Caster's master's normal magic powered standard boxing techniques. It just shows you if Rin used Muy Thai/Kick Boxing or regular boxing with reinforcement against caster, she's make the heroic spirit vaporize instantly. You're not a fan of combat sports to know this Tsiah so I forgive you for thinking otherwise
I think your the one that should need research, forget CQC or whatever that shit in real life in fate, cause any fighting style is doable in Fate
I think your the one that should need research, forget CQC or whatever that shit in real life in fate, cause any fighting style is doable in Fate
Pretty sure Kuzuki was also using bullshido martial art lmao