jasonr is that friend where you call them out for their wrongs and can't accept that. A friend will be there for you but a great friend will be there with you trying to correct your mistakes.
@@thishandleistaken1011 it was Jason r who wanted to talk to him in public, he wanted tarik to say Jason is not a misogynistic person to his community, sooooo.
If he really have intention of sorting things w/ TarUk, HIS FIRST CHOICE SHOULD BE SETTLING IT PRIVATELY and he did not. But, if you want something else like public sentiment or something like content you'll do it publicly.
I don’t really think they could have been gr8 friends before. Because what you said is correct. But Tarik is not there to help him try to correct his mistakes. He just wants to be disassociated. So either this was big enough to make him not wanna be friends anymore, or they were never really great friends at all.
@@thishandleistaken1011 The fact of the matter is Jason for 1 reason or another dodges women in his games. Regardless of what you might wanna think that's fairly indicative of him as a person. If he's doing it because he hates women then obviously that's bad etc. WITH THAT BEING SAID if Jason is doing this because of his wife not wanting him to play with women on stream then that just shows how toxic his relationship with his wife is if he cant even play games with RANDOM WOMEN in a VIDEO GAME.
@@BTKFTK it's more nuanced, he isn't willing to defend and cover up a mistake. He IS dealing with his mistake by taking the most important step by recognizing it and not sweeping it under the rug. He just won't ignore and pretend like the issue isn't real
7 years of built friendship, and just one issue just broke that apart. Tarik is not wrong, I’m with Tarik for standing up and saying it’s wrong for Jason to behave as such a way and i think that’s a TRUE friend, pointing out the wrong in you and is not a yes man to everything that a “friend” would do. Honestly it’s all in Jason, i don’t know if he is just purely just denying it in confusion of his action or he’s really trying to manipulate the community of “justified acts”. Heck, it shouldn’t have escalated into this if he just admitted it, given of the evidences of him dodging women in matches
and on top of that why would jason want his "friend" to throw out there morals, possibly there carrier, and get harassed to fight someone his battle, that doesnt really seem like something a good friend would do imo
@@chan-ll2mo facts I went in a game with a girl and two guys tried to get her in their friends list and they focused more on the girl than the game and they bot fragged KEKW
hmmm still then... I dont think tarik will hate him.... they are both w friend ....friends will fight and laugh .... at the end I know jasonr will apologize.... it's just that the internet is a bunch clowns ...that will break friendship or relationship 💀
Listen man, if you don't jump off of this cliff with me as a friend for 7 years, then you're an L friend. I expected you to jump with me when I need you to bro. Wtf
this concept of a "character witness" doesn't actually matter. the argument of whether or not jason is a sexist person to the core of his character doesn't matter. what matters is he engaged in sexist actions. intentions or reasoning aside, the actions were demonstrably sexist, and that is not a debatable point. that is a fact. and if someone (e.g. tarik) doesn't want to support the person behind the actions, that's a completely reasonable position to take.
Nah mate intentions and/or reasoning is the key here let me show you this:"characterized by or showing prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex." Thats the definition of a sexist, IF and just IF JasonR's statements are true that he hung out and befriended woman when he was out with Tarik, aswell as having a healthy and happy realtionship/marriage with a woman and just dodging woman for as he claims:" his relationship and jealousy of his wife" then he is not acting sexist, since he doesnt sterotype woman he doesnt think its the weaker gender etc. He is simply avoiding random girls to ensure a happy relationshipt with HIS girl. So no your statement was not accurate. I think it all comes down to the reasoning of why he does it to say wether it truly is sexist or not. But tbf it really doesnt matter cuz he can do what ever he wants to its his right to choose who he interacts with , and no one can force him to have any sorts of interaction with anyone he doesnt want to. And us (community) making a fus of the situation and trying to force opinions or lifestyles onto him is extremly toxic/controlling and shouldnt be done at all.
Tbf tho i do agree with the later part, Tarik does not have to stand up for JasonRs problems/mistakes just because they are friends if he personally disagrees with certain behaviour or whatsoever since then again its going back to my main point, no one should be allowed to force something onto one other and for jason to force a certain stance or view onto tarik is also toxic behaviour.
@@DrawingwithMangaSoul But he’s still discriminating women? So your point is completely irrelevant. “Oh I’m not racist but if I have a black guy on my team I’m dodging!” like bro cmon are you hearing yourself here? “making a fuss out of him dodging females is controlling and toxic” maybe you should have a word with his wife/girl and say that she is controlling and toxic, imagine not being allowed to play 1 ranked game with a random ass girl on your team like relax it’s a random queue. You’re saying that we can discriminate anyone for any reason that we find fit be it gender/race/sexuality/etc that in itself is a problematic mindset.
rule of thumb: don't be friends with people who expect you to do things for them just cause they're your friend, I've been there, shit never ends well. friendships arent transactional
Jason Q&A: 1. Are you dodging women? No. My game and pc crashes all the time. 2. Are you dodging women? Yes. Out of respect for my relationship. 3. Are you dodging women? No, I've played with women before on unrated and customs. 4. Are you sexist or misogynistic? No. But you chose to be a girl about it. 5. How am I an L friend? You are not defending my character. 6. How am I an L friend? I don't want you to defend me but you should've said I met Jason and he's not sexist or misogynistic. 7. How am I an L friend? You met me and my wife. We are not sexist in our in-person interactions so obviously we can't be sexist/miso ever. 8. How am I an L friend? You're neutral and that's fine. But you can't be neutral because you aren't defending me but I don't want you to defend me.
Yepp it was legit the most ironic display of ignorance and gaslighting I’ve seen in an argument in a very long time.. sad shit Jason can’t see how much of an L friend he is actually being and just L person overall.
I think everyone is entitled to play with whoever they wish to play with. It's just that Jason showed double standards by repeatedly changing his stance and reasoning, and blaming Tarik for something that wasn't even his fault. He could have been respectful and settled this down.
forcing someone to be on your side? yikes remember, this is also the same person that said "You cant even see" to Wardell, because of his eyes. Wardell said that is racist and he can still take it back, Jason *R* stood his ground. edited quote, but still same energy.
ok this right here is how people blow stuff out of proportion. The quote was "you cant even fucking see" that's all he said then wardell just said he's racist. it was just a regular old insult between players that wardell made weird cuz he's asian. 60 people liked this comment and the quote isn't even right
@epha i think jason realized what he said cud be taken as racist and instead of addressing it just avoids it which is what he's doing now with the misogynistic stuff
@@zacharylowe3659 but instead of taking it back and making it clear that that's not okay he doubled down. People defending weird shit speaks more about yourself than Jasonr L fucking comment.
@@chan-ll2mo you do realise the JasonR is in high mmr right? How do you think the "Egirls" got in a lobby with him? Do you think throwers would be able to reach the same rank as him?
dude a real friend is someone who slaps you back to reality when they believe you've done something wrong. man like i wouldnt want a friend who would back me up just because lol. if i did something wrong and im not even aware, a real friend would care enough to tell you to get your shit together because they want you to grow and be a better person. and thats exactly what tarik is doing wp by him.
jasonr isnt L friend and tarik isnt a L friend .they both are good friends since csgo times ... and ik jasonr will eventually apologize to tarik..... it's just that I dont like people coming and destroying their friend ship.....
@@gokudrip8235 lmao, you really think some random ass comment on internet can destroy friendship of content creator? Maybe, assholes of internet can destroy someone's career but they can never destroy someone's interpersonal relationship.
tarik really repeated the same thing like 20 times and jasonR was too thickheaded to listen to any of it, this man really tried to gaslight him fifteen times by flipping it to seem like Tarik was the bad guy
@@Dmahmoud17 he tried to convince him he wasn't mad that tarik wasn't defending him, and then turned around and argued about him not defending him. It was pretty gasslighty
TL:DR jasonR doesn't realize his behavior is clearly sexist behavior and wants tarik to say he is not those thign because he don't act sexist when he hangs out with tarik and his girl, and tarik doesn't seem to have the hearth to just straight up tell him that he in fact is sexist, because that behavior is sexist, you can't be sexist with some girls and not sexist with others.
Or like "I work in a kindergarten i can't be pedophile". The same argument but different subjects. (some fact kinder mean's in german children and garten mean's garden, so im wondering why tf is kindergarten an english word? Did they just copy and paste...)
Context: JasonR called Tarik an "L friend" for not helping him when people were giving him death threats and stuff from him dodging girls, and then it evolves to both of them trying to sort this out and giving reasons for their opinions, with Zellsis as a middleman. This is a short version because the full argument was over an hour long
Jason did not receive any "death threats". That shit is made up. Any time someone brings up "death threats were made!!!", if you go and look you'll usually find ONE person saying something along the line of a death threat but it has no attention to it.
JasonR being an L friend for real... trying to force Tarik to defend him is just weird. Tarik can't defend him when there is literally proof of vods everywhere of him dodging and disconnecting... JasonR personality when meeting Tarik has nothing to do with what JasonR does in his stream cause he kept using that excuse for Tarik to support him. JasonR is the one being an L friend.
@@Falleniyk Tarik literally explained why he won't tell it out loud, cause the evidence just points towards Jason being those with him straight up dodging queues and clips.
@@Falleniyk forcing someone to defend you because you hung out with their girlfriend is also a bitch move. Especially when that person doesnt agree with what you are doing.
Dude this is devastating to me. I've been watching both of them since they were first friends in CS, making videos in CS together in Rank S and FPL, just having fun and chilling. It was the whole reason I started playing CSGO in the first place- it looked like so much fun to do with my friends too. They were good and funny people. And to watch Jason try and pressure Tarik as his friend to support him is so far removed from what I thought he was. You were wrong, you dodged queues because your teammates were female, that's just WRONG man. Even if you believe you've done nothing wrong why would you try and rope your so-called friend into this? He's your friend! He doesn't owe you anything and you don't owe him anything! Friendship isn't something you take part in to try and get something out of, that's not how it works. You give and you don't expect anything in return, and so do they.
@@yukki-VAL The problem is there isn’t a good reason. Even If you’re dodging women out of respect for your wife, your relationship sucks and so do you. Random girls solo queueing don’t want to be with you, they’re just trying to play the game like everyone else.
@@peevan It shows very obvious trust issues and a controlling relationship . If his wife wanted him to not duo with girls, fair enough. There is a ton of speculation and rumors whenever male streamers play with girls and I don’t blame anyone for avoiding that drama. But dodging a game of randos just because there’s a girl? There’s no good reason for that dog.
@@yukki-VAL ur right I shouldn't have assumed and I'll edit accordingly But still man, he has to know that either way it's not good. It sends the wrong message. Does his wife really care if he plays with completely random people in ranked he's never met before?
he's really expecting friend to defend on something controversial. I'm pretty sure jasonr new this would stir up some controversy if he dodge with a girl on his team but he still chose to do it. Now he's expecting his friend to defend him. Thats kinda ridiculous. Maybe jason just wanted comfort from friend to see if he's okay from death threats and stuff but that was the wrong way to approach it imo.
@@chan-ll2mo if you want to dodge because theres a girl in your lobby go for it. However JasonR is an influencer. He have audience. Anyone with a right mind should know being an influencer meaning your actions have much more impact than a normal person. Whats he doing impacted his whole community and valorant community in general.
At this point, jason maybe should at least give a clear picture on why he does that things. Not backing it up with my PC crashed or some bullshit. Shit never ends if you lie, u ended up lying to cover up your yet another lie
Yeah it’s not even “ohhh sjw cancel culture” bullshit, it’s actually just weird and him expecting someone to outwardly defend him is so cringe, it’s just desperate
@@pargonyan I'm glad most people seem to be calling him out on his bullshit but there's still a substantial minority (most likely his fans) that defend him, and it's fucking stupid. This is an indefensible action; you shouldn't discriminate against anyone, period. How Jason and his fans have managed to do Olympics-level mental gymnastics to justify it is insane.
@@krizos5305 He's had multiple excuses for it but the most prevalent one seems to be that it's his partner that makes him do it, in which case she's a terrible and insecure person. I remember his partner and Jason would also ban women from his Twitch chat.
@@SorahKetsu who cares honestly lol its kind of pathetic and petty to complain about something so stupid that if you don't pay attention you wouldn't even know its there lol
I'm glad so many creators and viewers are taking this incident seriously cos it isn't isolated to JasonR's views. This is a systemic problem and it's wasting all of our time and energy when we could just be doing our things.
Sexist or not it doesn't take away from the fact that he did those things. It doesn't matter if you're not sexist in real life or in other situations the mere fact that those things happened not only once but on multiple occasions is enough for an apology or smth
double standards has to always be put in play. if a girl decided to not que with guys for some reason that girl wouldn’t be cancelled. he has the right to not want to play with females. that only implies in game so just because he doesnt want to play with females speaks nothing to my character. plain and simple. just like if you were playing football you would never pick a female over a guy. its personal preference surrounding a game. he shouldnt be cancelled for his own preference. the way hes going about defending himself and denying it instead of telling people his reasoning is childish but its not sexist to not want to play with a female in a game. especially when your radiant how many pros are females?
@@brandonfrazier525 The queue-dodging was just one of the other reasons why he is viewed as misogynistic. There have been plenty of evidence that him and his wife bans females on JasonR’s chat. It’s been an issue 2 years ago too, apparently. He also stated “stop being a girl about it” during this whole argument which cannot be positive in a sense when he has been attacking Tarik the whole stream after all. Just because he hangs out with women with his wife around Tarik doesn’t excuse the fact that like Tarik said, there has been blatant evidence that he is being sexist online.
Why do you need to apologize for queue dodging tho? There's a set of rules and punishment Riot made, and if the guy is willing to accept it he can queue dodge anyone he wants. Why should he apologize for it?
@@shinqqing5161 it's the textbook definition of sexism though; if he was queue dodging because someone was a certain race he would be racist, same goes with sex. The reason doesn't matter, he is trying to avoid an environment where there are women and it's weird. Also sets a very bad example to his incel fanbase because he's a large internet personality. U can't tell me the reason why I've been getting dodged more often after the jasonr drama is just a coincidence 🤷
I feel like he did say things to 'support' tarik while that wasnt tarik's stance at all. Zellsis was talking about the shit tarik couldve gotten if he defended tarik, while tarik did everything to make it clear that wasnt the problem. Tarik thinks the things jasonr did/does are bad so he doesnt defend it, it has nothing to do with potential viewer loss or w.e
JasonR is such an odd person if Jason just admitted that his partner manipulated him into not playing with other women due to jealousy, he'd be gaining empathy and love instead of hate I don't think he's sexist, his partner's just fucked up and it's not on tarik to fix their broken relationship lmao
Idk, in my opinion Tarik is actually a good friend. He’s trying to have Jason acknowledge that they can have opposing opinions, but Jason is being an asshole by forcing him into this “friend” needs to support everything you do concept. That ain’t how the world works. If you just have yes men around you, and not someone to call you out then they ain’t real homies. It can be objective or subjective, if you don’t agree with it don’t force yourself.
Possibility of a manipulation tactic, making Tarik feel like he actually is neutral so he could defend him. Either that or he’s just a brick wall to talk to.
tarik is just living by the rule of if you have nothing nice to say dont say anything at all and jason thinks he should have nothing but nice words to say
JasonR is low key an L for expecting Tarik to defend his name when he’s being sexist 💀 like I understand joking about it to a certain extent but you shouldn’t try to force your friend to defend your name when you’re doing something wrong.
Jason: it’s your job to defend me as my friend Jason literally one second later: it’s not about you defending me Man this is hard to watch. Tarik being dead logical and to the point and for what
honestly its kinda sad to see this friend ship get torn apart. everyone is like hating on jason or whatever but u gotta realize the position of them both
JR : " Why are you taking up a neutral stance about this matter? You know me and my wife and you knw I dont do that kind of shit so why don't you tell the people." Also JR : "I don't need you to defend me.. This isn't about defending me" Bro this guy is an absolute clown
right after tarik said "if u dont want to be seen as this guy, stop doing things that makes u seem like that" jasonr said "lets move on, this conversation went nowhere". bro still thinks what he doing isnt sexist and that he is right
everybody who uses the word "cancel culture" in an unironic way automatically loses all credibility. holding people accountable for their actions isnt cancelling anything
It can go either way... Definitely when the V1 guy brought up cancel culture it felt like he was, as you said, not giving accountability to Jason. He was obviously in the wrong and still is. But on the contrary, some individuals that deal with cancel culture definitely don't deserve it. This is not that scenario.
Sure, but I think it was important for Tarik to shut him down live and let his audience know that Jason's behaviour shouldn't and wasn't going to be tolerated no matter what kind of person he actually is. This is bigger than just a private squabble between two friends over a trivial ordeal, this sexist behavior affects the whole community and has no place in what should be an inclusive game that all people should be allowed to enjoy and not be discriminated against in.
this is really interesting their definition of friendship is different. we shouldn't talk about which is right or wrong because hearing Jason's situation probably comes with a lot of stress I just hope they work it out thou.
This just makes Jason look even more like a clown 🤡. Tarik is being really chill and civil about this holy fuck I was getting pissed when Jason just kept repeating the same terrible arguments without seeing Tarik’s point. Why should your friend support something he doesn’t want to support? If my friend supported something indirectly racist why should I stand up for him? My friend shouldn’t be putting me in a position that would compromise my values.
Jason is such a walking L, the fact that he wants to influence so much in his "friends" opinion says it all, Imagine being an L friend because you are not okay with his actions lmfao but boi oh boi if you have a different opinion on his chat, he will instantly ban u unless you gift him 10 subs
Jason thinks friendship is when your friend agrees with you blindly. This is not a gang where you have to defend people regardless. Character witness or not, JasonR has proven again that he has sexist tendencies. His chat is also incredibly toxic with actual cancerous mods. If people don’t like you, they don’t support you.
I don’t think Jason ever asked for Tarik to agree. He just asked to attest to his character. But its not Tarik’s job to speak and defend him when he should do that himself. It didn’t seem to get anywhere from either end anyway
tbr if you go back and watch the vods of rank s and the old csgo days you can clearly see most cs pros acting this way and in other ways. many csgo pros have changed their tune since then but its kind of crazy how its just 1 dude at this point being called out.
Lets pretend Tarik wasnt at the viewership he has now... Would Jason be complaining about an L friend??? or is all he cares about is the "public" not knowing. Sounds like manipulation to me sorry Jason lol. He should of just waited to let this blow over but nope
Below is just my interpretation of the short version of this argument and some of my thoughts. tldr; JasonR explains why Tarik is an L friend, while Tarik explains he cannot condone the actions of JasonR in Valorant. Tarik is JasonR's friend, having also met JasonR and his wife in person, assumed that Tarik would defend him. JasonR calls Tarik an L friend because he didn't take his side during this whole debacle, whereas Tarik stands firm that he does not condone the actions of: muting female gamers, queue dodging females, and overall subtle misogynistic behaviours. JasonR for the most part doesn't like the fact that Tarik isn't helping him at all even though he was his friend, since he exclaims that Tarik should know that he isn't misogynistic in real life. If this is starting to get repetitive, then yes, you are correct in thinking that way, since this is the core part of the argument that JasonR repeatedly regurgitates. On Tarik's side of things, he believes that he is still a friend to JasonR, but just can't defend what has already be seen by the public. From the argument, the key points are established, and just comes down to what ideologies they have and how they conflict. JasonR has said that because he's married he can't be a misogynist, and wouldn't do anything misogynistic...(but clips and other anecdotal evidences say otherwise). This kind of seems like an "I have a black friend therefore I can't be a racist" argument, which does not really make for a strong arguement. JasonR extends this to Tarik as his pillar to support that his IRL image is not misogynistic. Tarik has seen the evidence of JasonR's behaviour against women in Valorant and "does not support those actions in any way shape or form". Seems simple, misogyny is bad. Tarik openly states that he did not slander JasonR's name or his character, but rather just the actions that were done. Tarik seems to just wants JasonR to apologize for whatever he's done and move on with a better mental (but obviously this would mean the JasonR would have to admit wrongdoing). The arguement kind of devolves into what it means to be a friend. In many cases, friendships are formed through mutual likes and are strengthened through resolving conflict between themselves, meaning friends are those who understand or try to understand each other. There can always be a difference in opinions among friends, but it becomes more challenging when the difference in opinions are on moral stances. It seems that Tarik's and JasonR's understanding of friendship differs. JasonR has said that he would back Tarik up no matter what if he was caught in the same situation, a decision motivated by feelings and emotions. Tarik on the other hand wants to defuse the tension by specifically indicating that he is not fine with misogynistic behaviour that had been displayed, a decision of moral high ground. We can see that Tarik is more logical and is trying to be understanding to JasonR, but JasonR seems to disregard this and continues to pelt Tarik on why he should have defended him as his friend. P.S: I have not watched the full version of the arguement in its entirety, and these are just my opinions. There may be some things in the full version that may not be indicated here since these are what I have seen in the short version. I hope that there will be a conclusion soon, as more exposure of JasonR continues the more people who will leave valorant because of the growing toxic environment that is not being monitored. Instead of taking concrete sides, its better for the community to collectively rule out misogynistic behaviours, though it may not always work out, I hope that the valorant community continues to grow. Me: War is bad! You hear me, Putin! (Not going to blame Russian people, but the Russian government and oligarches)
The funniest thing about all of this is it’s just going to make Tarik’s view count even higher. Goddamn Qt was tweeting about this, all it did was raise the Content King’s profile on Twitch.
I think Jason wanted Tarik to say that Tarik does not think that Jason is a sexist in real-life, but he does not agree with the shit he do in game. What Jason do in game is compltetly not accpetable and he does not support it, and Jason should change it. But from what Tarik saw in real-life from hanging out with Jason, he can say that Jason is not a sexist and a women hater in real-life from his perspective.
Pretty sure most people know that he is not a sexist in rl, since he have a wife also lol. What most ppl think is that he choose to dodge the game when he know there is a girl playing is because he feel girl gamers are inferior in games. So what tarik feel is that by saying that he is not a sexist person in rl is not really related to what he was getting flamed for. Thats what i think
Because JasonR desperate for public support, hes been asking everyone. Tarik has been always prefer to keep it down, he believe that what Jason did was wrong but at the same time he didnt want to slander him personally. Jason is too thick headed and didnt get why what hes doing wrong and why people wont defend him.
I completely agree with you… this is a very uncomfortable thing to watch, shouldn’t have thousands of viewers watching something as personal as this. I guess its because Jason was probably hoping to make Tarik seem like a bad person by gaslighting and getting is name cleared but clearly it didn’t work out and everyone is basically against Jason now… he is so pathetic and foolish. Tarik is totally right.
ruclips.net/video/jc1EJbbEV4g/видео.html he called tarik fake friend publicly and it triggers tarik ofcourse. and Jason also queue sniped him for straight games.
the part where tarik is being the most W friend ever is when even after he argued with jason, he still doesnt want his chat to go out of their way to bring jason down. bcz thats honestly what a real 7 year-w friend would do.
JasonR is saying "you're not understanding me" when there is nothing to understand. Tarik has done everything in his power to avoid attacking Jason and he just continued to gaslight him.
Props to Tarik for wrapping it up by saying that they BOTH went in circles…I know it went on for a lot longer but I would be getting a lot more riled up than him…
Every community has a controversy about a player that are way worse than Jason’s drama right now. I’ve seen him make jokes about the matter on stream to bring satire about the situation. But if he just let it die down and move on like Tarik said then no one will remember what he did or didn’t do in a couple of months. Probably someone else will cause more heated drama in the community and he’ll be forgotten besides some people who will meme him forever. But the fact that he chooses to bring light to the matter every second he gets, causes people to make him a living meme. And it seems frustrating cause if he’s actually not guilty and no one believes him, then I get the point where he’s angry at Tarik. But we can never really “prove” if he’s actually guilty so Tarik is in the right for not backing him up. They’re friends from a game that hung out a couple of times. If Tarik and Jason were ride or die brothers then I understand the frustration on Jason’s behalf but it seems apparent that they’re not.
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JasonR was immature and dense as hell the entire argument, I cant believe Tarik argued with a wall for an hour and not lose his mind
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@krakatoasaur Dimags yep
Because they've been friends for like 10 years and played together
he did lose his mind, watch the full version towards the end he lose his mind badly
@@SebrystianVettel was this on Tarik's previous stream?
jasonr is that friend where you call them out for their wrongs and can't accept that. A friend will be there for you but a great friend will be there with you trying to correct your mistakes.
The mistake should be corrected in private then, not some public throwing under the bus.
@@thishandleistaken1011 it was Jason r who wanted to talk to him in public, he wanted tarik to say Jason is not a misogynistic person to his community, sooooo.
If he really have intention of sorting things w/ TarUk, HIS FIRST CHOICE SHOULD BE SETTLING IT PRIVATELY and he did not. But, if you want something else like public sentiment or something like content you'll do it publicly.
I don’t really think they could have been gr8 friends before. Because what you said is correct. But Tarik is not there to help him try to correct his mistakes. He just wants to be disassociated.
So either this was big enough to make him not wanna be friends anymore, or they were never really great friends at all.
@@thishandleistaken1011 The fact of the matter is Jason for 1 reason or another dodges women in his games. Regardless of what you might wanna think that's fairly indicative of him as a person. If he's doing it because he hates women then obviously that's bad etc. WITH THAT BEING SAID if Jason is doing this because of his wife not wanting him to play with women on stream then that just shows how toxic his relationship with his wife is if he cant even play games with RANDOM WOMEN in a VIDEO GAME.
tarik basically said “im not fixing your mistake”
Yeah, good on him, not his fault.
no, he said im not going to agree with your opinion publicly or privately
@@josiahsoon9523 read in between the lines of what they're saying to each other, Tarik's argument IS indeed "Im not here to fix your mistake"
@@BTKFTK kids trying to be a smartass
@@BTKFTK it's more nuanced, he isn't willing to defend and cover up a mistake. He IS dealing with his mistake by taking the most important step by recognizing it and not sweeping it under the rug. He just won't ignore and pretend like the issue isn't real
7 years of built friendship, and just one issue just broke that apart. Tarik is not wrong, I’m with Tarik for standing up and saying it’s wrong for Jason to behave as such a way and i think that’s a TRUE friend, pointing out the wrong in you and is not a yes man to everything that a “friend” would do. Honestly it’s all in Jason, i don’t know if he is just purely just denying it in confusion of his action or he’s really trying to manipulate the community of “justified acts”. Heck, it shouldn’t have escalated into this if he just admitted it, given of the evidences of him dodging women in matches
E GIRLS IN YOUR LOBBY = THROWING YOUR ELO. SIMPLE AS THAT.
and on top of that why would jason want his "friend" to throw out there morals, possibly there carrier, and get harassed to fight someone his battle, that doesnt really seem like something a good friend would do imo
@@chan-ll2mo facts I went in a game with a girl and two guys tried to get her in their friends list and they focused more on the girl than the game and they bot fragged KEKW
@@chan-ll2mo average jasonr fan
@@chan-ll2mo Big incel energy
JasonR is only looking at his side and that's the definition of an L friend
hmmm still then... I dont think tarik will hate him.... they are both w friend ....friends will fight and laugh ....
at the end I know jasonr will apologize.... it's just that the internet is a bunch clowns ...that will break friendship or relationship 💀
@@gokudrip8235 I agree, I just feel like jasonr needs to admit his wrongdoings
@@gokudrip8235 if jasonr just admits his wrongdoings things might be better for him again
@@rayzhang9453 i agree....because he knows himself his not sexiest so he should just go and explain and apologize
Listen man, if you don't jump off of this cliff with me as a friend for 7 years, then you're an L friend. I expected you to jump with me when I need you to bro. Wtf
This felt like 2018, Tarik taking a MAJOR W
underated comment
i see what u did there
2018
@@ItsAustennn my bad
W
this concept of a "character witness" doesn't actually matter. the argument of whether or not jason is a sexist person to the core of his character doesn't matter. what matters is he engaged in sexist actions. intentions or reasoning aside, the actions were demonstrably sexist, and that is not a debatable point. that is a fact. and if someone (e.g. tarik) doesn't want to support the person behind the actions, that's a completely reasonable position to take.
Nah mate intentions and/or reasoning is the key here let me show you this:"characterized by or showing prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex." Thats the definition of a sexist, IF and just IF JasonR's statements are true that he hung out and befriended woman when he was out with Tarik, aswell as having a healthy and happy realtionship/marriage with a woman and just dodging woman for as he claims:" his relationship and jealousy of his wife" then he is not acting sexist, since he doesnt sterotype woman he doesnt think its the weaker gender etc. He is simply avoiding random girls to ensure a happy relationshipt with HIS girl. So no your statement was not accurate. I think it all comes down to the reasoning of why he does it to say wether it truly is sexist or not. But tbf it really doesnt matter cuz he can do what ever he wants to its his right to choose who he interacts with , and no one can force him to have any sorts of interaction with anyone he doesnt want to. And us (community) making a fus of the situation and trying to force opinions or lifestyles onto him is extremly toxic/controlling and shouldnt be done at all.
Do you call girl only discords sexist?
@@favournjoku7594 Bro your question doesnt even make sense
Tbf tho i do agree with the later part, Tarik does not have to stand up for JasonRs problems/mistakes just because they are friends if he personally disagrees with certain behaviour or whatsoever since then again its going back to my main point, no one should be allowed to force something onto one other and for jason to force a certain stance or view onto tarik is also toxic behaviour.
@@DrawingwithMangaSoul But he’s still discriminating women? So your point is completely irrelevant. “Oh I’m not racist but if I have a black guy on my team I’m dodging!” like bro cmon are you hearing yourself here? “making a fuss out of him dodging females is controlling and toxic” maybe you should have a word with his wife/girl and say that she is controlling and toxic, imagine not being allowed to play 1 ranked game with a random ass girl on your team like relax it’s a random queue. You’re saying that we can discriminate anyone for any reason that we find fit be it gender/race/sexuality/etc that in itself is a problematic mindset.
rule of thumb: don't be friends with people who expect you to do things for them just cause they're your friend, I've been there, shit never ends well. friendships arent transactional
Except that's exactly what a friend is/should do? And if they don't that's not a true friend
@@blankr2910 yes exactly, stupid comment
you must not have real friends lmao...
@@blankr2910Alright ima go rob the bank and tell my friend to help me because “that’s exactly what a friend should do”
depends on the level of friendship you have with that person
Tarik is a walking W
Major winner in life and csgo no 🧢
Nah
@@lime4 ratio
@@lime4 big ratio
@@stepbroimhardstuckinvalorant go back to Twitter
Jason Q&A:
1. Are you dodging women?
No. My game and pc crashes all the time.
2. Are you dodging women?
Yes. Out of respect for my relationship.
3. Are you dodging women?
No, I've played with women before on unrated and customs.
4. Are you sexist or misogynistic?
No. But you chose to be a girl about it.
5. How am I an L friend?
You are not defending my character.
6. How am I an L friend?
I don't want you to defend me but you should've said I met Jason and he's not sexist or misogynistic.
7. How am I an L friend?
You met me and my wife. We are not sexist in our in-person interactions so obviously we can't be sexist/miso ever.
8. How am I an L friend?
You're neutral and that's fine. But you can't be neutral because you aren't defending me but I don't want you to defend me.
Yepp it was legit the most ironic display of ignorance and gaslighting I’ve seen in an argument in a very long time.. sad shit Jason can’t see how much of an L friend he is actually being and just L person overall.
I love how so many people still believe him even though his argument has changed every 5 seconds. Like hello? Brain? 1+1?
@@IOwnKazakhstan exactly
Jason really throwing so much excuses to clear his name
I think everyone is entitled to play with whoever they wish to play with. It's just that Jason showed double standards by repeatedly changing his stance and reasoning, and blaming Tarik for something that wasn't even his fault. He could have been respectful and settled this down.
forcing someone to be on your side? yikes
remember, this is also the same person that said "You cant even see" to Wardell, because of his eyes.
Wardell said that is racist and he can still take it back, Jason *R* stood his ground.
edited quote, but still same energy.
no way… this needs more awareness. not only sexist but racist too yikes
Yeah he tries to play it off by saying something that doesnt even make sense
ok this right here is how people blow stuff out of proportion. The quote was "you cant even fucking see" that's all he said then wardell just said he's racist. it was just a regular old insult between players that wardell made weird cuz he's asian. 60 people liked this comment and the quote isn't even right
@epha i think jason realized what he said cud be taken as racist and instead of addressing it just avoids it which is what he's doing now with the misogynistic stuff
@@zacharylowe3659 but instead of taking it back and making it clear that that's not okay he doubled down. People defending weird shit speaks more about yourself than Jasonr L fucking comment.
Tarik often sounds goofy but it's nice to hear him be mature from time to time
E GIRLS IN YOUR LOBBY = THROWING YOUR ELO. SIMPLE AS THAT.
@@chan-ll2mo L comment and L mindset
@@chan-ll2mo you do realise the JasonR is in high mmr right? How do you think the "Egirls" got in a lobby with him? Do you think throwers would be able to reach the same rank as him?
@@chan-ll2mo u r the same as jason r, sexist and misogynist tarik is right
@@chan-ll2mo obviously Jason's alt account
dude a real friend is someone who slaps you back to reality when they believe you've done something wrong. man like i wouldnt want a friend who would back me up just because lol. if i did something wrong and im not even aware, a real friend would care enough to tell you to get your shit together because they want you to grow and be a better person. and thats exactly what tarik is doing wp by him.
tell that to jasonr
@@ExtrusionXDesigns i wish i can bro but clearly he isnt listening to anyone but himself and his big ego :/ even tarik cant get through him sadge
a real friend will laugh and fight .... and apologize later ..... the only thing that breaks them off will be this internet clowns ..🤡
jasonr isnt L friend and tarik isnt a L friend .they both are good friends since csgo times ... and ik jasonr will eventually apologize to tarik..... it's just that I dont like people coming and destroying their friend ship.....
@@gokudrip8235 lmao, you really think some random ass comment on internet can destroy friendship of content creator? Maybe, assholes of internet can destroy someone's career but they can never destroy someone's interpersonal relationship.
tarik really repeated the same thing like 20 times and jasonR was too thickheaded to listen to any of it, this man really tried to gaslight him fifteen times by flipping it to seem like Tarik was the bad guy
Look up gas light before u use the word
@@Dmahmoud17 he tried to convince him he wasn't mad that tarik wasn't defending him, and then turned around and argued about him not defending him. It was pretty gasslighty
TL:DR jasonR doesn't realize his behavior is clearly sexist behavior and wants tarik to say he is not those thign because he don't act sexist when he hangs out with tarik and his girl, and tarik doesn't seem to have the hearth to just straight up tell him that he in fact is sexist, because that behavior is sexist, you can't be sexist with some girls and not sexist with others.
Totally unrelated but what does TL:DR mean?
@@phoenixx4330 too long don't read
@@phoenixx4330 too long : didnt read, basically if youre just lazy watching the whole vid
Grazie signor
Tldr
Jason mindset is literally:
“Yes Man” = True Friend
A Honest Realist Tarik = L Friend
Bro, him saying "He plays with multiple women" so he's not sexist sounds a lot like the "I have black friends so I'm not racist argument".
that’s exactly what it is. there’s no difference other than the subject of the matter
Or like "I work in a kindergarten i can't be pedophile". The same argument but different subjects. (some fact kinder mean's in german children and garten mean's garden, so im wondering why tf is kindergarten an english word? Did they just copy and paste...)
Context: JasonR called Tarik an "L friend" for not helping him when people were giving him death threats and stuff from him dodging girls, and then it evolves to both of them trying to sort this out and giving reasons for their opinions, with Zellsis as a middleman. This is a short version because the full argument was over an hour long
will u post the full hour long argument?
Jason is just objectively wrong
Jason did not receive any "death threats". That shit is made up. Any time someone brings up "death threats were made!!!", if you go and look you'll usually find ONE person saying something along the line of a death threat but it has no attention to it.
@@dandyd1877 what a creepy ass comment lol
@@elliotsims8489 what are you on about? I'm just talking about how overblown the term "death threats" is.
JasonR's whole excuse is kinda like the whole
"i'm not racist i have a black friend" right after saying something racist.
so true !!
OMG you’re right
People tolerate sexism more apparently
Yeah, it's like you want people to understand you but the way he proved it was full of lies instead he suffers from his consequences
I’d agree if he said he hated women or women were below him or no reason
JasonR being an L friend for real... trying to force Tarik to defend him is just weird. Tarik can't defend him when there is literally proof of vods everywhere of him dodging and disconnecting... JasonR personality when meeting Tarik has nothing to do with what JasonR does in his stream cause he kept using that excuse for Tarik to support him. JasonR is the one being an L friend.
Not really if someone knows u not like that but doesn’t say anything so he don’t lose clout is just a bitch move
@@Falleniyk Tarik literally explained why he won't tell it out loud, cause the evidence just points towards Jason being those with him straight up dodging queues and clips.
@@Falleniyk forcing someone to defend you because you hung out with their girlfriend is also a bitch move. Especially when that person doesnt agree with what you are doing.
@@YellowFlash34 you don’t have to agree with someone to say that their not a bad person and y’all might have it mixed up.
“I’ve hanged out with girls so I’m not misogynistic!” How old is this guy ?
this guy has tens of thousands of hours in video games it is expected
It's like saying "I have black friends so therefore I can't be racist" like it doesn't work that way...
@@OnTheFence_ it actually does... Havent you heard of nword pass?
Edit: /s people here havent heard of jokes
@@luckyman4389 are you joking?
That was the closest he could get to prove himself not being a misogynistic lol
Dude this is devastating to me. I've been watching both of them since they were first friends in CS, making videos in CS together in Rank S and FPL, just having fun and chilling. It was the whole reason I started playing CSGO in the first place- it looked like so much fun to do with my friends too. They were good and funny people.
And to watch Jason try and pressure Tarik as his friend to support him is so far removed from what I thought he was. You were wrong, you dodged queues because your teammates were female, that's just WRONG man.
Even if you believe you've done nothing wrong why would you try and rope your so-called friend into this? He's your friend! He doesn't owe you anything and you don't owe him anything! Friendship isn't something you take part in to try and get something out of, that's not how it works. You give and you don't expect anything in return, and so do they.
Bruh he never mentioned why he dodges queue when there is a female so assuming shit is dumb
This wouldn't have happened if people weren't simps. To all the simps out there stop carrying E-girls to top tier ranks, it's annoying.
@@yukki-VAL The problem is there isn’t a good reason. Even If you’re dodging women out of respect for your wife, your relationship sucks and so do you. Random girls solo queueing don’t want to be with you, they’re just trying to play the game like everyone else.
@@peevan It shows very obvious trust issues and a controlling relationship . If his wife wanted him to not duo with girls, fair enough. There is a ton of speculation and rumors whenever male streamers play with girls and I don’t blame anyone for avoiding that drama. But dodging a game of randos just because there’s a girl? There’s no good reason for that dog.
@@yukki-VAL ur right I shouldn't have assumed and I'll edit accordingly
But still man, he has to know that either way it's not good. It sends the wrong message. Does his wife really care if he plays with completely random people in ranked he's never met before?
Thank you for this, I missed the drama and was like wtf happened! LMFAOOOO THE MESSAGE FROM POKI LMAOO
What did she message? Lol
@@shawnseguro5184 she said something along the mine of invite so that I can jump scare jasonr
I love the part when zellsis not interrupt them
Had this shit up on my second monitor live laughing in ranked
madlad
Dad's lad
moms pad
brothers ipad
sister's hand
How did Tarik not go insane talking to a brick wall
I mean you can see him kind of going insane at the end lmao, totally reasonable reaction to JasonL
8:57 he kinda lose his shit here lol
he's really expecting friend to defend on something controversial. I'm pretty sure jasonr new this would stir up some controversy if he dodge with a girl on his team but he still chose to do it. Now he's expecting his friend to defend him. Thats kinda ridiculous. Maybe jason just wanted comfort from friend to see if he's okay from death threats and stuff but that was the wrong way to approach it imo.
E GIRLS IN YOUR LOBBY = THROWING YOUR ELO. SIMPLE AS THAT.
@@chan-ll2mo if you want to dodge because theres a girl in your lobby go for it. However JasonR is an influencer. He have audience. Anyone with a right mind should know being an influencer meaning your actions have much more impact than a normal person. Whats he doing impacted his whole community and valorant community in general.
@@felixcykayou8930 get WOKE go BROKE. EVERYONE KNOWS E GIRLS = AUTOMATIC LOSS AND BOT FRAG
At this point, jason maybe should at least give a clear picture on why he does that things. Not backing it up with my PC crashed or some bullshit. Shit never ends if you lie, u ended up lying to cover up your yet another lie
@@felixcykayou8930 i never cared about his actions and i've been playing valorant since global release.
jason is objectively wrong
Yeah it’s not even “ohhh sjw cancel culture” bullshit, it’s actually just weird and him expecting someone to outwardly defend him is so cringe, it’s just desperate
@@pargonyan it’s actually crazy how dependant he is on everyone but himself to recover his mistakes.
@@pargonyan I'm glad most people seem to be calling him out on his bullshit but there's still a substantial minority (most likely his fans) that defend him, and it's fucking stupid.
This is an indefensible action; you shouldn't discriminate against anyone, period. How Jason and his fans have managed to do Olympics-level mental gymnastics to justify it is insane.
@@blasianking4827 at Least he should've been honest about why he's having a sexist behaviour and not act one, cover it with lies and denial
@@krizos5305 He's had multiple excuses for it but the most prevalent one seems to be that it's his partner that makes him do it, in which case she's a terrible and insecure person. I remember his partner and Jason would also ban women from his Twitch chat.
This is literally Tarik arguing with a brick wall, JasonR is just being immature lmao
"I've played with girls, I've played with my wife and I've played unrated with girls" dude is doing more against himself than he could imagine.
Notice how he specified that he played unrated with them? 😂
@@Zoinks3245 kinda hard to play with females on radiant there aint too many of them.
@@burplebunnysliper2499 well he surely had the chance to play ranked with them but unfortunately his pc crashes every time
Can i get some context ik that jason dodge when a girl comes in the q did something more happened 🤨
@@SorahKetsu who cares honestly lol its kind of pathetic and petty to complain about something so stupid that if you don't pay attention you wouldn't even know its there lol
poki: "inv me to jumpscare jasonr" 💀💀💀💀
i was looking for someone to comment about this lmao
jasonR should make a podcast because of his ability to talk for an hour without actually saying anything
I'm glad so many creators and viewers are taking this incident seriously cos it isn't isolated to JasonR's views. This is a systemic problem and it's wasting all of our time and energy when we could just be doing our things.
Maybe if girls just had their own queue they wouldn’t have to ruin games for everyone else
@@Rootzcs LULW
@@Rootzcs ez bait
Sexist or not it doesn't take away from the fact that he did those things. It doesn't matter if you're not sexist in real life or in other situations the mere fact that those things happened not only once but on multiple occasions is enough for an apology or smth
double standards has to always be put in play. if a girl decided to not que with guys for some reason that girl wouldn’t be cancelled. he has the right to not want to play with females. that only implies in game so just because he doesnt want to play with females speaks nothing to my character. plain and simple. just like if you were playing football you would never pick a female over a guy. its personal preference surrounding a game. he shouldnt be cancelled for his own preference. the way hes going about defending himself and denying it instead of telling people his reasoning is childish but its not sexist to not want to play with a female in a game. especially when your radiant how many pros are females?
@@brandonfrazier525 The queue-dodging was just one of the other reasons why he is viewed as misogynistic. There have been plenty of evidence that him and his wife bans females on JasonR’s chat. It’s been an issue 2 years ago too, apparently. He also stated “stop being a girl about it” during this whole argument which cannot be positive in a sense when he has been attacking Tarik the whole stream after all. Just because he hangs out with women with his wife around Tarik doesn’t excuse the fact that like Tarik said, there has been blatant evidence that he is being sexist online.
Why do you need to apologize for queue dodging tho? There's a set of rules and punishment Riot made, and if the guy is willing to accept it he can queue dodge anyone he wants. Why should he apologize for it?
@@shinqqing5161 it's the textbook definition of sexism though; if he was queue dodging because someone was a certain race he would be racist, same goes with sex. The reason doesn't matter, he is trying to avoid an environment where there are women and it's weird. Also sets a very bad example to his incel fanbase because he's a large internet personality. U can't tell me the reason why I've been getting dodged more often after the jasonr drama is just a coincidence 🤷
@@milktea9211 wait did he say he que dodges chicks cus they suck?
I like zellsis stance he was a good middle man here
I feel like he did say things to 'support' tarik while that wasnt tarik's stance at all. Zellsis was talking about the shit tarik couldve gotten if he defended tarik, while tarik did everything to make it clear that wasnt the problem. Tarik thinks the things jasonr did/does are bad so he doesnt defend it, it has nothing to do with potential viewer loss or w.e
@@ensiemen9836 He gave his own opinion first, then tried to explain tariks opinion. Thats how i see it atleast
the part about the world being soft is so right
@Nikhil Eshwar Nah zellsis always been a homie since cs days, watch his streams.
If you guys want the full hour long argument, let me know by replying/liking this comment, just don't know if enough people want it yet to post it
Yes please, i want to hear more of what the wall has to say.
hell yes
yasss
Hell yea
yes please
the pokimane and kyedae messages were making me laugh SO HARD
Wheere
@@brucedwaynezabdieldecastro4065 7:13 and 8:36
@@vomelka01 LOLLL
your humor must be boring
@@uno9915 loll
Summary of the argument is:
“I’m not asking you to defend me”
“Why didn’t you defend me”
Its not being a "friend" its you being a decent human being knowing what's right and wrong. Its obvious where JasonR stands.
JasonR is such an odd person
if Jason just admitted that his partner manipulated him into not playing with other women due to jealousy, he'd be gaining empathy and love instead of hate
I don't think he's sexist, his partner's just fucked up and it's not on tarik to fix their broken relationship lmao
Idk, in my opinion Tarik is actually a good friend. He’s trying to have Jason acknowledge that they can have opposing opinions, but Jason is being an asshole by forcing him into this “friend” needs to support everything you do concept. That ain’t how the world works. If you just have yes men around you, and not someone to call you out then they ain’t real homies. It can be objective or subjective, if you don’t agree with it don’t force yourself.
8:34 lmao the frustration of tarik when jasonr still didn't understand that he's not neutral about it, that he has a stance on it and is against it
C'mon, how can tarik defend jason on this one? Like "Oh, I've hung out with jason and he is a good guy"? lmfao.
LOL forreal!
"ive seen jasonr speak to girl irl! hes not sexist!!"
why does he keep saying tarik is on a neutral stand when he's clearly saying that he doesn't agree with what he's doing
probably doesn’t want to believe/can’t believe tarik is against him
Possibility of a manipulation tactic, making Tarik feel like he actually is neutral so he could defend him. Either that or he’s just a brick wall to talk to.
Manipulation
Tarik is neutral on the stance of Jason , not on his actions . He is not against Jason as a person.
I love how everyone pulled up in valorant chat LOL
lol xeppaa was out of pocket it was so funny
Timestamps please
@@barnbarn5587 me too
tarik is just living by the rule of if you have nothing nice to say dont say anything at all and jason thinks he should have nothing but nice words to say
JasonR is low key an L for expecting Tarik to defend his name when he’s being sexist 💀 like I understand joking about it to a certain extent but you shouldn’t try to force your friend to defend your name when you’re doing something wrong.
Not even low key 😂
came here from twitter bc i missed what happened lol
“it’s not what you are underneath, it’s what you do that defines you.”
I never thought I’d hear Zellsis this level headed
Bro I fr couldn’t take Zellsis’ point seriously after seeing Poki’s PM 💀💀
jason really is a child ngl
Jason: it’s your job to defend me as my friend
Jason literally one second later: it’s not about you defending me
Man this is hard to watch. Tarik being dead logical and to the point and for what
honestly its kinda sad to see this friend ship get torn apart. everyone is like hating on jason or whatever but u gotta realize the position of them both
friendship is about not defending your friends on absolute everything, if your homie is wrong you tell him and we stay cool about it
JR : " Why are you taking up a neutral stance about this matter? You know me and my wife and you knw I dont do that kind of shit so why don't you tell the people."
Also JR : "I don't need you to defend me.. This isn't about defending me"
Bro this guy is an absolute clown
0 brain cell can’t differentiate between defending his character and defending his actions. Learn a little nuisance pal
right after tarik said "if u dont want to be seen as this guy, stop doing things that makes u seem like that" jasonr said "lets move on, this conversation went nowhere". bro still thinks what he doing isnt sexist and that he is right
everybody who uses the word "cancel culture" in an unironic way automatically loses all credibility. holding people accountable for their actions isnt cancelling anything
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fr
It can go either way... Definitely when the V1 guy brought up cancel culture it felt like he was, as you said, not giving accountability to Jason. He was obviously in the wrong and still is. But on the contrary, some individuals that deal with cancel culture definitely don't deserve it. This is not that scenario.
Cancel culture can go overboard and is more seen bad than good
Feeling attacked little buddy? Someone got called out for running around canceling people bc you got nothing better to do 😂 bum
Back then, they're arguing for fun but is it a real drama now?
bro were you listening to them
@@cper240 of course that's a given you dunce
@@cper240 so?
A lil crazy to me that stuff like this gets streamed.. like they could have discussed this privately LOL
Sure, but I think it was important for Tarik to shut him down live and let his audience know that Jason's behaviour shouldn't and wasn't going to be tolerated no matter what kind of person he actually is. This is bigger than just a private squabble between two friends over a trivial ordeal, this sexist behavior affects the whole community and has no place in what should be an inclusive game that all people should be allowed to enjoy and not be discriminated against in.
@@Nero-xv well said
Then how he will get views?
@@Nero-xv facts
I think it was well needed. Not a single pro or jason himself wanted to talk or clarify the actuality of the situation.
The Score Esports will for sure post a video on this drama by this week for sure.
8:25 when he said "I guess I'm just old school man", I thought he was gonna follow up with like "women don't belong on games bro"
BRO JASONR IS SO CRINGE OMG
this is really interesting their definition of friendship is different. we shouldn't talk about which is right or wrong because hearing Jason's situation probably comes with a lot of stress I just hope they work it out thou.
the whole avengers coming up in his whispers and stream chat is amazing
This just makes Jason look even more like a clown 🤡. Tarik is being really chill and civil about this holy fuck I was getting pissed when Jason just kept repeating the same terrible arguments without seeing Tarik’s point. Why should your friend support something he doesn’t want to support? If my friend supported something indirectly racist why should I stand up for him? My friend shouldn’t be putting me in a position that would compromise my values.
Zellsis giving “my parents are fighting” vibes lmao
Jason is being such a baby.
he wants tarik to hold his hand
I'm not gonna go out and search for these VODs cos there aren't any 😂
Jason is such a walking L, the fact that he wants to influence so much in his "friends" opinion says it all, Imagine being an L friend because you are not okay with his actions lmfao but boi oh boi if you have a different opinion on his chat, he will instantly ban u unless you gift him 10 subs
not kyedae and poki messaging tarik for duoing w jason XD
Jason thinks friendship is when your friend agrees with you blindly. This is not a gang where you have to defend people regardless. Character witness or not, JasonR has proven again that he has sexist tendencies. His chat is also incredibly toxic with actual cancerous mods. If people don’t like you, they don’t support you.
I don’t think Jason ever asked for Tarik to agree. He just asked to attest to his character. But its not Tarik’s job to speak and defend him when he should do that himself. It didn’t seem to get anywhere from either end anyway
tbr if you go back and watch the vods of rank s and the old csgo days you can clearly see most cs pros acting this way and in other ways. many csgo pros have changed their tune since then but its kind of crazy how its just 1 dude at this point being called out.
Warik + JasonL
Dude the dms he gets make this thing so much better LOL
i feel what jason feel but i agree with tarik opinion tbh, being a "friend" doesn't mean you have to agree with anything your friend said
Imagine added the tarik sup dudes meme in the middle and it would be so much funny
lmfao Zellisis getting all the tea
Twitch chat trying to make Zellsis plug his twitter during this
Lets pretend Tarik wasnt at the viewership he has now... Would Jason be complaining about an L friend??? or is all he cares about is the "public" not knowing. Sounds like manipulation to me sorry Jason lol. He should of just waited to let this blow over but nope
Below is just my interpretation of the short version of this argument and some of my thoughts.
tldr; JasonR explains why Tarik is an L friend, while Tarik explains he cannot condone the actions of JasonR in Valorant.
Tarik is JasonR's friend, having also met JasonR and his wife in person, assumed that Tarik would defend him. JasonR calls Tarik an L friend because he didn't take his side during this whole debacle, whereas Tarik stands firm that he does not condone the actions of: muting female gamers, queue dodging females, and overall subtle misogynistic behaviours.
JasonR for the most part doesn't like the fact that Tarik isn't helping him at all even though he was his friend, since he exclaims that Tarik should know that he isn't misogynistic in real life. If this is starting to get repetitive, then yes, you are correct in thinking that way, since this is the core part of the argument that JasonR repeatedly regurgitates. On Tarik's side of things, he believes that he is still a friend to JasonR, but just can't defend what has already be seen by the public.
From the argument, the key points are established, and just comes down to what ideologies they have and how they conflict.
JasonR has said that because he's married he can't be a misogynist, and wouldn't do anything misogynistic...(but clips and other anecdotal evidences say otherwise). This kind of seems like an "I have a black friend therefore I can't be a racist" argument, which does not really make for a strong arguement. JasonR extends this to Tarik as his pillar to support that his IRL image is not misogynistic.
Tarik has seen the evidence of JasonR's behaviour against women in Valorant and "does not support those actions in any way shape or form". Seems simple, misogyny is bad. Tarik openly states that he did not slander JasonR's name or his character, but rather just the actions that were done. Tarik seems to just wants JasonR to apologize for whatever he's done and move on with a better mental (but obviously this would mean the JasonR would have to admit wrongdoing).
The arguement kind of devolves into what it means to be a friend. In many cases, friendships are formed through mutual likes and are strengthened through resolving conflict between themselves, meaning friends are those who understand or try to understand each other.
There can always be a difference in opinions among friends, but it becomes more challenging when the difference in opinions are on moral stances. It seems that Tarik's and JasonR's understanding of friendship differs. JasonR has said that he would back Tarik up no matter what if he was caught in the same situation, a decision motivated by feelings and emotions. Tarik on the other hand wants to defuse the tension by specifically indicating that he is not fine with misogynistic behaviour that had been displayed, a decision of moral high ground.
We can see that Tarik is more logical and is trying to be understanding to JasonR, but JasonR seems to disregard this and continues to pelt Tarik on why he should have defended him as his friend.
P.S: I have not watched the full version of the arguement in its entirety, and these are just my opinions. There may be some things in the full version that may not be indicated here since these are what I have seen in the short version. I hope that there will be a conclusion soon, as more exposure of JasonR continues the more people who will leave valorant because of the growing toxic environment that is not being monitored. Instead of taking concrete sides, its better for the community to collectively rule out misogynistic behaviours, though it may not always work out, I hope that the valorant community continues to grow.
Me: War is bad! You hear me, Putin! (Not going to blame Russian people, but the Russian government and oligarches)
7:14 lmao Pokimane asked tarik to invite her to scare jasonR
8:37 And kyedae trolling as well lmao
HAHAHAHAHH THIS NEEDS TO BE PINNED
The funniest thing about all of this is it’s just going to make Tarik’s view count even higher. Goddamn Qt was tweeting about this, all it did was raise the Content King’s profile on Twitch.
I think Jason wanted Tarik to say that Tarik does not think that Jason is a sexist in real-life, but he does not agree with the shit he do in game. What Jason do in game is compltetly not accpetable and he does not support it, and Jason should change it. But from what Tarik saw in real-life from hanging out with Jason, he can say that Jason is not a sexist and a women hater in real-life from his perspective.
Pretty sure most people know that he is not a sexist in rl, since he have a wife also lol. What most ppl think is that he choose to dodge the game when he know there is a girl playing is because he feel girl gamers are inferior in games. So what tarik feel is that by saying that he is not a sexist person in rl is not really related to what he was getting flamed for. Thats what i think
the way Zellsis entered the convo had my dying bro
Little does he know jason is actually the L friend
Damn it's a wrong time that my internet cut off. I missed this stream.
This argument feels illegal to watch, why tf did they do it on stream??
facts. this entire argument could have been resolved off stream.
Because JasonR desperate for public support, hes been asking everyone. Tarik has been always prefer to keep it down, he believe that what Jason did was wrong but at the same time he didnt want to slander him personally. Jason is too thick headed and didnt get why what hes doing wrong and why people wont defend him.
For content maybe
I completely agree with you… this is a very uncomfortable thing to watch, shouldn’t have thousands of viewers watching something as personal as this. I guess its because Jason was probably hoping to make Tarik seem like a bad person by gaslighting and getting is name cleared but clearly it didn’t work out and everyone is basically against Jason now… he is so pathetic and foolish. Tarik is totally right.
ruclips.net/video/jc1EJbbEV4g/видео.html he called tarik fake friend publicly and it triggers tarik ofcourse. and Jason also queue sniped him for straight games.
the part where tarik is being the most W friend ever is when even after he argued with jason, he still doesnt want his chat to go out of their way to bring jason down. bcz thats honestly what a real 7 year-w friend would do.
JasonR is saying "you're not understanding me" when there is nothing to understand. Tarik has done everything in his power to avoid attacking Jason and he just continued to gaslight him.
Was this in the recent VOD?
Tarik is honestly so much more emotionally mature than jason
jason, stawpp. this isnt like you 🥺
pokimanes comment LMAOOOOO
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@@cabovalo 7:14
"invite me to jumpscare jasonr" 💀
Props to Tarik for wrapping it up by saying that they BOTH went in circles…I know it went on for a lot longer but I would be getting a lot more riled up than him…
AYE YO QT'S TWEET AT JASON LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Lmaooo she really shit on him with the lingerie screenshot like o no no no no
jasonr just changing reasons everytime the qn is asked again. I also think tarik is pointing out what he had done rlly wrong as being a true friend.
Every community has a controversy about a player that are way worse than Jason’s drama right now. I’ve seen him make jokes about the matter on stream to bring satire about the situation. But if he just let it die down and move on like Tarik said then no one will remember what he did or didn’t do in a couple of months. Probably someone else will cause more heated drama in the community and he’ll be forgotten besides some people who will meme him forever. But the fact that he chooses to bring light to the matter every second he gets, causes people to make him a living meme. And it seems frustrating cause if he’s actually not guilty and no one believes him, then I get the point where he’s angry at Tarik. But we can never really “prove” if he’s actually guilty so Tarik is in the right for not backing him up. They’re friends from a game that hung out a couple of times. If Tarik and Jason were ride or die brothers then I understand the frustration on Jason’s behalf but it seems apparent that they’re not.
In the first 5 minutes, zellsis went to get coffee cause he knew shit was goin down or somethin
"This doesn't concern defending me, but you should defend me" .....bruh