Hi, this is an interesting topic, not very often talked betweeen pilots. Many pilots have the bad habit of braking the wing "behind them" to prevent the shoot. But it works quite the opposite, they are loading the wing with energy. 1/ So, the first rule I use is always to brake the wing only when it moves in front of me. 2/ The second rule: if agresive movement, I always use mAX brakes, and once the movement stops, I immediately release my hands fully upward to let it fly. If a pilot, as they were taught, uses only part of the brakes, they curve the profile, and the wing doesn’t collapse in front of them as is designed, but instead moves much further forward or even below them and there colapses. They can fall very close to the sail or into it. this is more pronaunced the LOWER category wing certified. The most close calls with really massive overshoots over the horizon I have seen was on EN A, B wings. In SIV training, it’s good to test that during a forward surge, wing on horizon, the wing practically cannot stall. Therefore using MAX brakes is very safe method and using less brakes can cause problem.
Thank you so much 🎉 I just understand what happened to me one year ago after my first xc flight. Ended under my parachute super quickly due to the fact that I was falling. 30 meter above the ground 😮
Thanks for the great content, as a beginner I always learn something! But can you just clarify me in these 2 points. -If catching the dive early is bad, in which position relative to the glider should you break to catch? When it’s vertical to you or slightly in front? -at 2:55 he said that the whip effect can happen if you pull brakes on a frontal. But aren’t you supposed to break immediately after a frontal? Or it’s best to put your hands up?
The later you catch the better, most people catch way too soon. I would say at about 1-2 o'clock is where you want to catch the wing, quite a bit forward instead of straight above your head. This is best to practice with a good SIV instructor, instead of trying to discover it by yourselves. To prevent a frontal, you should pull breaks to help keep the leading edge open, once it has frontalled, you need to go hands up let the wing recover and shoot forward before you catch the pitch. If you add breaks while the wing is trying to recover, you will create the whip effect and that can be a lot more dangerous, then just doing nothing.
Thanks for sharing the videos. Is it same with rear riser control? In my image, this is what you do if you have a frontal when pushing the bar. 1.Hands up (keep the risers grabed) 2.Release the bar and fold your legs, on same the same time with 1 3.Let the wing dive 4.Catch the dive with intensive rear riser inputs on 2 O'clock (when flying towards right▶) am I correct? I concern about the realation of break and reflex as you shared, but not sure about those with rear risers.
It was my understanding if you got in trouble and put your hands up in the glider came out of the trouble on its own it might go through several different things all of them extremely dynamic as it blows off that energy. I'm too new to worry about any kind of controls I'm just a payload at this point so I've got to ride it out kinda. As long as I don't wind up gift-wrapped I figure I'll be okay.
Hi, this is an interesting topic, not very often talked betweeen pilots. Many pilots have the bad habit of braking the wing "behind them" to prevent the shoot. But it works quite the opposite, they are loading the wing with energy.
1/ So, the first rule I use is always to brake the wing only when it moves in front of me.
2/ The second rule: if agresive movement, I always use mAX brakes, and once the movement stops, I immediately release my hands fully upward to let it fly.
If a pilot, as they were taught, uses only part of the brakes, they curve the profile, and the wing doesn’t collapse in front of them as is designed, but instead moves much further forward or even below them and there colapses. They can fall very close to the sail or into it. this is more pronaunced the LOWER category wing certified.
The most close calls with really massive overshoots over the horizon I have seen was on EN A, B wings.
In SIV training, it’s good to test that during a forward surge, wing on horizon, the wing practically cannot stall. Therefore using MAX brakes is very safe method and using less brakes can cause problem.
I definitely had a few frontals where the wing ended up in front of me on the horizon, now I think I understand why 2:45
That sounds analogue to the ground-handling "dolphin" (see Control technico #8 from Raul Rodriguez)
Thank you so much 🎉 I just understand what happened to me one year ago after my first xc flight. Ended under my parachute super quickly due to the fact that I was falling. 30 meter above the ground 😮
Awesome video. Thank you for sharing!
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Thanks for the great content, as a beginner I always learn something! But can you just clarify me in these 2 points.
-If catching the dive early is bad, in which position relative to the glider should you break to catch? When it’s vertical to you or slightly in front?
-at 2:55 he said that the whip effect can happen if you pull brakes on a frontal. But aren’t you supposed to break immediately after a frontal? Or it’s best to put your hands up?
The later you catch the better, most people catch way too soon. I would say at about 1-2 o'clock is where you want to catch the wing, quite a bit forward instead of straight above your head. This is best to practice with a good SIV instructor, instead of trying to discover it by yourselves.
To prevent a frontal, you should pull breaks to help keep the leading edge open, once it has frontalled, you need to go hands up let the wing recover and shoot forward before you catch the pitch. If you add breaks while the wing is trying to recover, you will create the whip effect and that can be a lot more dangerous, then just doing nothing.
@@FlyingKarlis i really appreciate your answer, it helped me understanding!thank you so much and keep up with the amazing content :)
Glad I could help!
Thanks for sharing the videos.
Is it same with rear riser control?
In my image, this is what you do if you have a frontal when pushing the bar.
1.Hands up (keep the risers grabed)
2.Release the bar and fold your legs, on same the same time with 1
3.Let the wing dive
4.Catch the dive with intensive rear riser inputs on 2 O'clock (when flying towards right▶)
am I correct?
I concern about the realation of break and reflex as you shared, but not sure about those with rear risers.
Mini heart attack at 2:00
Yeah, a surprise tumbles aren't all that fun!
That was exactly the way my first stall looked. 😬
It was my understanding if you got in trouble and put your hands up in the glider came out of the trouble on its own it might go through several different things all of them extremely dynamic as it blows off that energy. I'm too new to worry about any kind of controls I'm just a payload at this point so I've got to ride it out kinda. As long as I don't wind up gift-wrapped I figure I'll be okay.
Ahhh "The Whip Effect" I was wondering what a wip was.
Thank you for pointing it out, I've just fixed that! 😅
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Glad you like this one!