Appreciate the overwhelmingly supportive comments on the last video. Feeling great about opening up and appreciate the kind words people have shared. More videos to come shortly \m/
Hey buddy, nobody can stay happy 100% of the time. We all have our ups and downs. Enjoy the good times, for the good memories will help you through your dark times. 🙂 Hang in there, man!
I wish I was as brave as you. Everyday is a struggle for me and my depression... some days are worse, like today... But seeing your face and seeing you smile makes my day just a little bit better ☺️
I’ll gladly say it again and again and again. Clone Hero is the closest thing we’ve got to a “DrumSmith” and it has been a WONDERFUL experience learning drums alongside you this past year. I have been the happiest I’ve ever been trying drums and getting to jam with you on occasion has been one of my favorite things to do. Drumming is the future for this game!
It definitely would be cool if we got more charts doing accents for rolls and fills, or if we got the option to provide sticking etc... but yeah, drums always just lent themselves to gamified learning, even before Rock Band. The latter just adopted the note highway for better readability, and it really worked well throughout its life cycle. Add to that a growing customs catalog and anyone learning to day is in a great spot.
I initially started learning drums in middle and high school, then took about a 6 year break for college and getting my life together, and have now been playing clone hero drums regularly for a few years. However, one thing I didn't pick up until fairly recently is the double pedal. Man, Jason hits the nail on the head when he says it is like starting over, but clone hero has absolutely been incredibly useful for adding that to my skillset. Additionally, the difference I notice in my own creativity now compared to when I used to play cannot be understated. Clone hero is definitely has some use as a learning tool for drums.
@@JasonParadise I learned guitar through playing rocksmith around 8 years ago when I was 14 and got a bass for christmas. Today playing guitar is still one of my strongest passions and it opened a door for many genres of music for me. Thank you for the work you put into the game as it possibly changed my life forever
This took all the words I've been saying since I started streaming out of my mouth and formed it into a perfect video. With the direction drum charts have gone over the years, some charters have made charts for songs that are almost 1 to 1 with actual drum tablature (SoundHaven, Benimaru, Inventor211, etc). If your PC can handle it, load up your preferred drum sample VST's (or your default kit sounds) and jam along to these customs. I'm really hoping the drum side gets more support and possible added features (hi hat support, sample library in game, experiment with more than 4 lane support, I could go on forever.) to make this actually be Rocksmith for drums. Hell maybe even Strikeline could take that title when that releases. Nevertheless, amazing job with this video, Jason. I hope this reaches out to a new era of rhythm game (and real) drummers.
I'm so glad that you are picking up the drums! Back when I was a kid, I used to play GHWT a lot alongside my brother, and I would always play them. Sadly, as much as I practised, I've never got to be good at them, my feet and hands do not cooperate too well. I even went to the conservatory to improve, but it was such a detrimental experience I ended up hanging the drumsticks. But watching you slowly improving with them makes me want to play the drums again... maybe someday :)
Played a real guitar for 37 years. I can play any song in the world. but on Clone hero I get destroyed so badly just like the first time I ever picked up a guitar.
GHWT is what got me into drums and eventually percussion in general, I played GH/RB drums constantly. Clone Hero can be such a great way to learn the drums and it's relatively accessible, just plug and play with an e-kit. And now with Scorespy playing the drums on Clone Hero is even better, being able to see fellow drummers in the community on the leaderboards can be so inspiring while simultaneous making you want to practice even more to reach the top of the leaderboard and beat their score!
I started playing Rock Band drums back on Wii in 2008 and still play regularly (now on Clone Hero) to this day. The game lead me on a path towards music performance which later developed into studio production/music business as well as drumming for a symphonic metal band that I’m very happy with. I’d have no musical path at all without this game/genre and I’m very thankful that I ever picked it up. So glad to see more people like yourself picking it up and finding a passion for it. Best of luck going forward!
Yep, been playing Rock Band since it first came out. Played the drums off and on there and was able to hold my own on medium difficulty. When I got Rock Band 4 back in 2018, I REALLY buckled down, trying to get the patterns and phrasing down and got pretty good. However, it was overwhelming with the notes, especially the kick pedal. So, I got my own a few months later. Have gotten so much better, I'm laying down drum tracks for covers of songs on my RUclips page and I'm making my drummer grandfather proud, may he rest in peace. Glad to hear you've been learning it as well and stick with it! Double bass is tough, but it's soooo worth it. Also, rocking an Alesis! My Command is still going strong after almost half a decade.
Hey Jason. When I learned how to play the drums back in the 80's, all I had was a stereo with headphones, a pair of drum sticks, and a picture of a drum set, so I can "air drum" to the songs I like. The first song I learned how to play on a real set of drums was Johnny B. Goode. It took me 10 years to get good enough in order to play in a band. After that, I was able to play complete songs while having a discussion with someone else, and I was able to play correctly with the lights turned off ( If I was the one who set up the set ). I would have loved to be able to learn how to play the way you are. I am extremally happy to be able to watch you play either the drums, the bass, or the plastic guitar with buttons. Thank you so much for learning and entertaining others. I also thank you for showing us this video and letting us know that Clone Hero is a good way to learn how to play the drums. Rock on my friend. I will see you soon ❤
CH drums is definitely the easiest and most accessible tool for people with no prior experience reading sheet music, to get into an instrument in a mostly "realistic" manner. Of course mileage varies depending on what players want to get out of the game, but individuals who want to learn and take it seriously as a simulation tool can definitely find success on their instruments outside of the game. Great video! It's always cool to see the bigger guitar guys spreading over into the drum side of the game.
i started my drumming career on rock band. Now i can play panic attack on a real kit. Its easily the best place to learn. You are forced to learn so many techniques as you problem solve your way through weird sections. Plus it just teaches you coordination in a fun way. You learn so many different styles and grooves you end up picking up so much along the way.
From one drummer to another, I'm very proud of your progress! Haven't been able to jump into the streams for a long time, but I'm looking forward to seeing the videos get uploaded here!
tl;dr: Fun game, great learning tool. Helped shape me into the percussionist I am today. I'm 21 now and come from a family of musicians, and back in 2009 I first played Rock Band 2 at my grandpa's house on my uncle's PS3. I didn't know what I was doing on guitar that well, but they told me to try the drums. I was actually doing surprisingly well on BYOB on medium drums, and that's what got me into drumming in the first place. I got the game for Christmas on my Wii a year later, and played the crap out of it. I ended up improving a lot, so much so that when I started doing band in school, I was already a really good percussionist, but I just didn't know the wacky terms and lingo, but I understood the basics and could adapt easily. The game became even better when Pro Drums were added in Rock Band 3 since you were actually just playing the songs for real, just on a plastic and rubber drum kit. This is 100% a game you should pickup if you're trying to learn drums, and even more so if you're wanting to just do covers of songs, as the notes line up with what you're actually hitting on a real kit, on top of learning independence, gaining endurance, and even learning double pedal on some songs (I am still in the process of that last one lol).
Yes! That's how I learned to play drums. Back in the Rock Band days! Now I play in a band, mostly learned on a real kit by ear but the game helps tremendously with using different limbs to play different rythms.
Late to the party here but just wanted to toss in my agreement. I'm a mid level drummer as I mostly play guitar, but have played for around 35 years. Despite real instrument experience I find Rocksmith useful and fun, even Guitar Hero and Rockband offer valuable skills to learn for beginner guitarists. Many musicians overlook the fact that some people never learned basic music or rhythm at all. . These games absolutely help with drums as well. In fact I'd go as far to say with drums it's basically tablature for sticks with difficulty curves. Even tablature can't do that with just one sheet. And there's the fun part because anyone who has played any instrument for a while knows just how bland it can be playing by yourself sometimes. These games offer a band on demand and can help keep interest
Been toying with the idea of buying a midi kit for Clone Hero for this exact reason, and this kind of pushed me over the edge. It really is an awesome development! It's crazy how you can get a solid midi kit for the same price of a USED rock band drum kit. I'll always love the good 'ol plastic guitar, but I agree this is the future of Clone Hero
i know i’m a bit late to this conversation, but i agree entirely. i played marching snare for a few years and really struggled to use the entire kit. i played clone hero in between normal practice sessions and it’s actually crazy how much better i am now
I've been playing drums in GH/RB since 2008 when GHWT came out, but I always used the stock kits. I finally got an electronic drum kit in late 2021 and have been learning Pro Drums with the cymbals, and man has it been fun. It is awesome how easy it is to set up and play, and I feel like I can finally just tell people I can play drums lol
I've been playing for a a couple years on Clone Hero, and only main the drums. I credit it completely to introducing me to tons of new songs, and improving my drumming in every way. Such an awesome tool!
Coincidentally, I just found out today about Kyle from Counterparts being the #1 drummer on Rock Band. It was brought up on Craig Reynolds podcast along with Will Putney, since Will has produced many of Counterparts records. While I'm not huge on using an e-kit, this does seem like cool way to practice drums. Been playing drums for nearly 8 years and sometimes I still have trouble staying motivated. Might give this a go sometime in the future!
Couldn't agree more with this video. Been learning drums for about a year, the first 6 months were "self-taught" with RUclips, Drumeo, practice, etc. Second 6 months I added in PhaseShift and I noticed a huge difference, as did my friends and wife! It is so great for inplementing what I've learned to do and it has been amazing at building muscle memory, endurance, accuracy, and overall confidence on the kit! Going to check out Clone Hero as well to see how it compares
I hope they know what they have and continue to expand. I’m 35 and wanting to learn drums and this sealed the deal on my getting my first e-drum kit. Absolutely awesome.
This video helped push me to get started with drums, and I'm so glad it did! I've been playing for about 8 months now, I can play some songs on Expert, and I've started uploading full combos to my channel. It's incredible getting instant feedback on your performance. And so much fun to play. Thank you!
Congrats on learning drums! Who knows, we might see a clone hero colab with 8-bit Drummer again but with drums! I will never understand why people have an issue with video games and physical development. True, some people may have issue with plastic guitar because it focuses on neck placement rather than string placement, but getting that muscle memory is extremely helpful.
This game is perfect for drums, especially with how harmonix charted the hat whenever open hat is used its usually blue. With a 4th cymbal I set it up as a dedicated hat switchable between yellow/blue with the hat controller, the other yellow as a secondary crash. Then, with the hat switch I mapped open hat to Blue, and closed and loose chank as yellow. I also added a 5th tom as an additional yellow tom, with the sound it makes as a snare. I use Voicemeeter Potato to get the game sound into and back out of Reaper where I have a drum vst hooked up to my kit and I used loopMIDI to pass the midi from my kit to another channel pre-fx that has the loopMIDI port as an output. Then in Clone Hero I use the loopMIDI port and I turn the drums down in game, which works as long as the song has multi-track audio.
Fully agree with this video. I picked up drumming as an active hobby around August of last year, after loving expert drums in Rock Band back in the day. I was really just looking for something to help with keeping active during weight loss that I could do inside if I didn’t want to leave the house due to weather. I ended up playing along to bands I loved in Phase Shift/Clone Hero, I found the transition was easy due to my love of rhythm games in my youth, although foot coordination wasn’t amazing at first. I have come so, so far in less than a year, and drumming is now one of my favourite things to do. I’ve been noodling around on guitar since around 2006 and I feel like I am more proficient at drums than I ever have been with guitar. I love and appreciate this game, along with the people who take the time and effort to make these charts.
Jason, this is hilarious you are posting this now. I have been on the same journey now for 5 months. Back in September, I picked up an old Rock Band drum kit controller and began practicing my basic hand foot coordination. I began getting comfortable with that and I went and picked up my first e-kit during Black Friday Sales. I am getting way more comfortable around my kit and playing some songs in clone hero as high as 5 and some 6 difficulty songs. I just set my mind to it and, as someone who has also played guitar for 8 years now, I've wanted to learn for a while. Great to see you've been enjoying your journey! p.s, I've seen some of your scores in Scorespy and I'm coming for a couple >:) remember my name
I'm a self-taught drummer and mostly learn songs by ear, but as someone who hasn't learned how to read sheet music, I use RB pro drum charts to learn songs as a visual tool in accompaniment with listening, and it's very useful for the most part. Yeah, open hi-hat being on the blue cymbal and other things, like snare flams being played on both red and yellow pads and not having different gems to signify ghost notes or open hi-hats or flams (something that GH drum charts implemented) can be a bit annoying, but you can pick up on it and get used to it. As Jason says, it ain't perfect, but it's pretty damn good. It's been great seeing Jason's progression behind the kit and seeing your happiness playing the drums always puts me in the mood to play as well. Keep rocking!
I started a few months ago with some limited percussion education. Definitely agree with your point. I feel like Clone hero has actually given me the ability to move my limbs independently. For people interested in pushing things further, I recommend watching some videos on developing good technique to prevent injury, and some basic rudiments. Diddles/Paradiddles make a lot of passages so much easier
Been playing Rockband from 2009, going across many different drum sets until i "built" my last one with many Roland's parts. Still playing Rockband 3 only as to me it's the most fun/hardest game out here because of the tight timing window but I'm pretty sure I'll start playing Clone Hero as well in future, so happy to see people enjoying and supporting it so much and glad that with Scorespy is like having the leaderboards back and working. Just a quick note; the Midi Pro Adapter you need to connect your e-kit to RB3 is so easy to get and to set-up so, even if this is a bit off-topic, I'd still recommend it if you wanna keep playing on a console.
Clone hero was the reason I got back into rhythm games, I missed the days of playing guitar hero and band hero on my Nintendo WII. It was the game that got me searching for plastic guitars at op shops, on ebay, anywhere I could find one. I used to go to a gaming bar religiously and go wild on the rock band 4 set that was there. That got me searching for electronic drum kits online to begin getting back into drums, I've just been struggling to find one in my financial budget atm. But knowing that Clone Hero has drum support keeps that dream going to get back onto drums and blasting out my favourite tracks again. It will happen, mark my words!
So here's how I'd add hi hat pedal support: split the pedal inputs into 3 separate types of note (left pedal, right pedal, either pedal), then allow those notes to sustain. That way you could chart the left foot for the hi hat and the right foot for the kick drum, or even just use it to tell people what foot a double kick section should start on.
Been drumming for 10 years and my biggest flaw is independence. I just started Clone hero a few weeks ago and it has helped expose my flaw. It's hard to play songs that I "know" how to play and undo bad habits, but so far it's been very helpful.
you basically described my current situation and the value propositions I saw for this; transferable skill, more accessible, and the classic GH/RB vibe with an active community. lets gooo
Can confirm. I started playing drums on The first Rock Band, joined a band after, then continued to play both drums and rock band, improving all along the way. To this day I still play drums (not professionally anymore) and I just picked up Clone Hero a couple weeks ago. It's been wonderful and I 100% agree with your point. I too have also been singing the praises of these rhythm games with drums in them for well over a decade, and I'll keep doing so. 🤘
I picked up band hero back in 2009, when I was a young kid. Drums was by far my favourite, I played it day-in and day-out. it was because I loved Drums on band hero so much that my parents and sister decided to buy me a drum kit one year for Christmas. I still played band hero religiously, and felt it was a brilliant way to learn songs and practice rudiments and techniques. Fast forward to today, and I am a professional drummer with a degree (or will have in less than a month) in popular music. I can honestly say that without band hero, and by extension clone hero, i would not be a drummer today. There is hundreds on things that a professional drummer needs that it doesn't teach you, internal tempo, more advanced sticking techniques, improvisation, controlling tone and sound quality, and many more. But it is such a useful too for education, memory, endurance training and learning that I've found it invaluable in my career. To this day I consider the guitar hero games to be my first ever drum teacher.
Vinnie Paul once said in an issue of Revolver magazine that playing drums was like having both your arms and legs having separate brains. They all need to work together to make a drum kit work properly.
Rock band is why I'm a musician, and although I don't drum much anymore, I got pretty damn good. I did take lessons for a while but I already had the knowledge needed to get started. I would also sometimes play my ekit with a RB track playing on the screen in front of me, not actually playing the game. I totally agree that it's a great way to at least how to play songs and grooves. Highly endorsed by moi
I didn't even know you could play drums on Clone Hero until seeing your videos. As somebody who has owned a Roland TD-4 kit for years I would love to try this out. I have an Alesis amp that I use to play along to music so this would be right up my alley. Thank you Jason.
Hell yeah Jason! I actually also got sucked into the drum world by Rockband, and found that it had actually helped me develop abilities on and off the game, and next thing I know, I'm playing TOOL and Dream Theater songs no problem on an acoustic and electric sets. Rock on!
Clone hero actually helped me a tad, as I hadn't played my guitar in a few years, I decided to come back to it and with the hours I've spent in clone hero it felt easier to shift my hand and get it to where it needed to be, of course it wasnt perfect but it was a lot better than I expected
I play drums a lot. I wouldn't call myself a professional by any means, but I used to put up covers here and there on an old channel of mine which I won't link here unless people really want it. I used videos of rockband long before clone hero implemented drums to practice to. I loved playing my e-kit along to rockband vids and the like, even phaseshift for a short while for more custom songs, Ice Nine Kills charts anyone? Anyway, all this to say, I think its a fantastic tool for learning or for practice along with use of the kit outside the game. Keep up the great work Jason, good to see you being truthful to yourself and keeping up the good spirits. Love this topic and hope more support is continually shown for this. If I had space for my kit now where I was, I would be jamming on clone hero every day.
I started off playing Drums on Guitar Hero World Tour. I had played a little real life guitar at the time too. But I switched over to learning accoustic drums. I had a teacher and a kit at home. And I kept adding onto it to play more of the prog stuff I was into. I played Metallica, Rush, System of a Down, Dream Theater, all sorts of stuff. And I felt playing World Tour first helped me translate a lot of that skill on to real drums.
i actually started learning drums through rockband almost 10 years ago, and i’ve been saying ever since i was immediately able to play a song right after setting up my first e-kit that rockband is the best way to start learning the drums. glad someone with a bigger platform is also saying the same thing
Hi Jason, when i started in rhythm games like GH/RB, right from the start i pickup the drums instrument in Frets on Fire X and i "play" from 8 years in the keyboard, with him i play FoFiX, Phase Shift, Gh:WT and more recently(3yrs) i started to play Clone Hero and buy a used Rock Band 3 Drum kit, man even with just 4 lanes and one pedal i love the feeling to play like a "real drummer", the kick, the feeling on been in the vibe of the music is just from another world. Today i retired my old RB Drum with a lot of scar's (plastic instrument's🙄) and buy a E-kit to learned to play and Clone Hero, obviously, will be a powerfull instrument to help me like they help so many people. See you in the stage Jason :) Hugs from Brazil
I started playing drums when I was 8, so I was already a relatively okay-ish (middle school jazz band) drummer when RB1 came out with real drums. Back then it was simply fun but more similar to playing tenors in marching band than it is to drum set, and the feel of the pads doesn't match at all for obvious reasons. By the time I finished high school I was a pretty damn proficient drummer and was awarded the Louis Armstrong Jazz Award. *However,* I now have a decent real electronic drum set, and more importantly, cymbals and Pro Drums/7 lane are now a thing, along with QOL stuff like roll lanes. I have been using Clone Hero for practice for about 8 months and it's fantastic. I never had a double bass pedal before recently, so it's been useful for that, and it's been excellent for working on my sticking for fills and the like, as I would tend to cheat with multiple bounce rolls, which you can't really do in Clone Hero. +1 to Clone Hero as Rocksmith for drums. Just hope they can add hi hat pedal support sooner rather than later, but given primary development is over I'm pessimistic.
Jason! Long time subscriber, first time commenting, but I love your shit! I got rockband 2 as a kid without ever really touching an instrument before. After playing the game religiously, I went and saw my buddies drum kick, and was able to play the intro to down with the sickness. I felt like I never had to really learn any instruments since then, only re-apply the same principles I inherently learn playing rockband. Music has always been a part of me since Rockband 2. Love you and love your stuff!
I just found out my 3 year old kit that was useless on GH official is supported through clone hero and now I'm using it for the first time in years and learning at the same time
Ive been playing GH drums since i was a wee lad (around '11 '12) and never used the kick pedal. Then in Nov 2022, I found out how to play Clone Hero with my Alesis Nitro. I jammed out to my fav hits as usual. Then got a RB3 Midi Pro Adapter for Christmas that year and played all the GH games from GHWT to Band Hero to Warriors of Rock, and up until then I had never used the kick pedal I just used auto kick. Something inside me wanted to learn how to use kicks so i practiced using Clone Hero, and now today I can comfortably play X+ songs like Dez Moines or What a Horrible Night to Have a Curse! All thanks to Clone Hero. (this is bootyliciousbuttbanger from twitch btw)
Someone may have said it already, but I think a big reason it works so well is because unlike guitar where the controller isn't very similar to a real guitar, but you can play the drum charts with an actual set of electronic drums. Plus there are the custom charts that can chart things with the intention of being played on a proper kit that can at least get you pretty close to actually learning the song. Won't be an expert course that makes you the world's best drummer of course, but a good tool/game for learning without having to do as much of the really boring and tedious parts.
I learned drums from Rock Band. 100%. It was basically sight-reading and practice pads all combined in a game. Not to mention all it's built-in lessons and rudiments. I work with young musicians and some of them/their parents come up asking how to learn drums and I've always said that for about €50 you can pick up a copy of Rock Band and a used kit and get a big head start on learning without investing big money in a kit or even having noise issues. Clone Hero would be a much better/expanded experience, but for the sake of ease the original contained games are always my go-to for starting off.
Ya same, there’s multiple songs I played a ton on rockband, never having touched a real kit. When I finally got the opportunity to play on a real kit, I could play the songs perfectly as if I had been playing drums for years
@@samplautz5586 That was pretty much my exact experience. Had relatives that played drums and one day out of the blue while visiting them I just sat at the kit and started bursting out "In Bloom" by Nirvana as I knew it so well from Rock Band. Everyone was like, "How tf did you learn to play drums!?"
I was a percussionist in late elementary school. Rock Band made me a drummer. After years of playing the game and practicing on a real kit, I learned how to be a solid intermediate to high intermediate player. Of course I learned a lot outside of Rock Band, but Rock Band absolutely was a key contributor to my development. I would have loved to have had clone hero for drums back when I was a teen.
I don't have an E-kit but I was lucky enough to get a acoustic kit late last year from a family friend and I've been using videos online of charts from rockband, phase shift, (Still a few really good charters out there making charts for the game) and clone hero. I've gotten so much out of it. You 100% have to practice outside of the game but it helps a lot with learning patterns and finding new bands/songs. Also drumming is really good exercise, drumming for a hour or more playing high intensity songs can burn over 1000 calories so it helps you stay in shape too.
I think that one of the "killer features" of Clone Hero drums is that you can go to your volume settings and mute the drum track for all official Harmonix/Neversoft drum charts. Then you can plug your computer audio into the mix-in input on your drum module, and you can then listen to the clone hero audio through the output of your drum module. So you can immediately play a cover of every song with your own drum track mixed in.
I haven't played the drums on Clone Hero, but I used to enjoy it on Rock Band 4 and the Guitar Hero series. You've made a very good case for it, though. While I never got to the level I was on guitar, I did find playing the drums immensely satisfying. I would like to try getting an electronic drum kit, but I don't have much space for things in my games space. That's pretty much the main thing holding me back (that, and not being as dedicated a drum player as other CH players might be). I wouldn't want to go to that effort to invest in one if it's only going to be something I play once in a while. But maybe I'll enjoy it so much that I want to play often. I think at this stage, I'll just keep an eye out for a deal that's too good to pass up.
I learned the drums on the original Rock Band. Clone Hero is amazing with the ability to download a ton of custom songs. I haven't been able to play much, but it's probably the best thing for music games since Rock Band.
You can actually open your hi hat and make that a separate midi note and map it to the blue cymbal. That's what I do. So closed hi hat yellow, open hi hat blue, and now you have hi hat support :) Love the video! I play drums for a cover band, and I use clone hero to practice in my own time. Agree 100% with this video. It is the Rocksmith for drums! (I play that game too haha)
Last year highschool, I remember every weekend afternoon going home with friends and play rock band for 2hours and playing drums. Believe it or not, Uni first year, met a guy who was starting a cover band so i told him that i "played" the drums but easy Songs (Blur-song 2, Coldplay - in my place, ...) So we tried and HOLY COW i was nervous. I looked drum Covers of those Songs and (still have no idea how) nailed it. Today i'm very proud of My drumming Skills and thankful with These rythm Games
yeah this is what happened with me, played drums on and off on rock band for like 7 years and eventually started learning actual drums, which was very easy to pick up because of rb, three-ish years later and i still play clone hero on my e-kit more than i play my acoustic kit
I've been drumming for nearly 20 years now and I have to say, the transition between e-drums/clone hero to real drums is nearly seamless. Of course there's a lot more to it (you're not going to sound good if you play an acoustic kit after having played only on clone hero), but everything else is there: independence, rhythm, timing, it's all there. Of course accents, dynamics, ghost notes and a general finesse (an essential part of sounding good) are not replicable on clone hero drums, but the essential part of playing the drums is right there
While I don't have a great way to play drums on clone hero, I have messed around with charting drums on clone hero. It was a complete mess at first but after I learned what should be charted where and seeing it play back I saw how useful clone hero. Just by charting I could see the patterns and while I may not have learned how to play drums, I've learned how to write drums because you really do pick up on so much from it
I learned to play drums 15 years ago, largely through translating my knowledge of sticking from GH/RB to the real kit and then applying the hi hat pedal and accents/ghost notes. I'd say I'm a decent drummer, so Jason is right, this is a legit incredible tool to learn the instrument.
Even if the video is 1 year old. What is also super good to learn drums AND combine your e-drum is "Paradiddle". Sadly its a VR only game, but its great to play songs how u have to play them on real drums.
I just recently got an electronic drum kit, I'm gonna have to try this! Also hell yeah for Moron Police, Captain Awkward by them is still one of my proudest charts for CH ^^
I started the drums by using melodics, but quickly changed to clone hero bc it just makes so much more sense. Melodics works essentially the same way but its side scrolling which is kinda awkward. Melodics does however offer all the hits including all pads and open and closed hi hat. In the end I've been drumming for about 8 months and have definitely improved primarily using clone hero. I started with the nitro max kit and am now upgrading to a strike pro SE as I really want a proper hi hat and more realistic pad size and zone triggers.
Late to the party, but I am ALL for you learning drums. I wish something like this was around when I was first learning drums, because it would have saved my dad his sanity. Either way, you have the support of this 25-year veteran of the beating sticks.
Keep your elbows in and watch your wrist positioning. Make sure you’re using your wrist and fingers more than your whole arm. It’ll really help with your endurance!
Hearing that you don’t need the Rock Band adapter AND you can map out the pads as you need is huge. I’ve been looking into getting an electric kit for a while now and knowing I’ll be able to play Clone Hero out of box and map out the pads for a left-handed player like myself is exciting.
I had an e-kit before I started playing clone hero and finding out that I can bring another one of my hobbies into a game I’m in love with just made it so much more fun being able to show people my passion and then actually understanding is a good thing to lol
Since you've already played drums in the past, you'll get a kick out of the more advanced customs. Some custom tracks are note for note tabs with dynamics included. If you aren't already on the scorespy build of CH, definitely grab that for drum leaderboards as well
I haven't played drums on Clone Hero yet, but I'd spent hours playing them on Rock Band 3 years ago. Haven't touched them since last time I moved, maybe it's time to assemble them again :D
Looking back on it, I learned sooooo much about how to play the drums from Rock Band, and although I had the original RB 1 kit, I could still transfer the skills I acquired to a real kit. I haven't had a chance in years to play on a real kit or play Rock Band again, since the old kit broke. Maybe someday I'll buy an eKit and get back into it.😄
Playing drums in these games is so good! That was my favourite part about Band Hero - but at some point those drums broke and I couldn't play anymore. Maybe one day I'll get a proper electronic drum kit and play Clone Hero...
I been wanting to learn more finger drumming because I have an Ableton Push, and I tried it and it just works. the response time is perfect too, so now I am just learning finger drumming and keeping up with the rhythm.
I bought an EKIT like 2 months ago and never touched it after a week because IM TERRIBLE at keeping myself on pace as its so demotivating for me as I want to learn things but just jamming out while learning isn't possible. I was thinking of hiring a teacher so I can keep someone to push me. But I play a TON of rhythm games and I'm going to move my ekit over now :D Thanks for the video!
As a drummer, I definitely think Clone Hero is, like, you said, a great tool. Theres a lot of things it teaches you naturally in a game context that's really useful. But outside of just hi-hat pedal support and the other things you listed, the main thing ot doesnt do thats a staple to learning drums is rudiments. Certain stickings like buzz rolls, double strokes, and flams just cant be replicated in this format.
Appreciate the overwhelmingly supportive comments on the last video. Feeling great about opening up and appreciate the kind words people have shared. More videos to come shortly \m/
Hey buddy, nobody can stay happy 100% of the time. We all have our ups and downs. Enjoy the good times, for the good memories will help you through your dark times. 🙂 Hang in there, man!
I wish I was as brave as you. Everyday is a struggle for me and my depression... some days are worse, like today...
But seeing your face and seeing you smile makes my day just a little bit better ☺️
More meme charts?
I’ll gladly say it again and again and again. Clone Hero is the closest thing we’ve got to a “DrumSmith” and it has been a WONDERFUL experience learning drums alongside you this past year. I have been the happiest I’ve ever been trying drums and getting to jam with you on occasion has been one of my favorite things to do. Drumming is the future for this game!
before clone hero, there are dtxmania
it has snare, 3 toms, 4 cymbals, and hihat pedals input.
It definitely would be cool if we got more charts doing accents for rolls and fills, or if we got the option to provide sticking etc... but yeah, drums always just lent themselves to gamified learning, even before Rock Band. The latter just adopted the note highway for better readability, and it really worked well throughout its life cycle. Add to that a growing customs catalog and anyone learning to day is in a great spot.
I initially started learning drums in middle and high school, then took about a 6 year break for college and getting my life together, and have now been playing clone hero drums regularly for a few years. However, one thing I didn't pick up until fairly recently is the double pedal. Man, Jason hits the nail on the head when he says it is like starting over, but clone hero has absolutely been incredibly useful for adding that to my skillset. Additionally, the difference I notice in my own creativity now compared to when I used to play cannot be understated. Clone hero is definitely has some use as a learning tool for drums.
There’s also a drum sim called DTXMania that supports the hi-hat pedal, plus kick pedal, 4 pads, and 4 cymbals
0:28 YOU WORKED ON ROCKSMITH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! YOOOOOO THAT IS SO COOOOOL
Worked at Ubi for a few years before Twitch stuff took off. Loved my time with the Rocksmith team 🤘
@@JasonParadise I learned guitar through playing rocksmith around 8 years ago when I was 14 and got a bass for christmas. Today playing guitar is still one of my strongest passions and it opened a door for many genres of music for me. Thank you for the work you put into the game as it possibly changed my life forever
This took all the words I've been saying since I started streaming out of my mouth and formed it into a perfect video. With the direction drum charts have gone over the years, some charters have made charts for songs that are almost 1 to 1 with actual drum tablature (SoundHaven, Benimaru, Inventor211, etc). If your PC can handle it, load up your preferred drum sample VST's (or your default kit sounds) and jam along to these customs. I'm really hoping the drum side gets more support and possible added features (hi hat support, sample library in game, experiment with more than 4 lane support, I could go on forever.) to make this actually be Rocksmith for drums. Hell maybe even Strikeline could take that title when that releases.
Nevertheless, amazing job with this video, Jason. I hope this reaches out to a new era of rhythm game (and real) drummers.
I'm so glad that you are picking up the drums! Back when I was a kid, I used to play GHWT a lot alongside my brother, and I would always play them.
Sadly, as much as I practised, I've never got to be good at them, my feet and hands do not cooperate too well. I even went to the conservatory to improve, but it was such a detrimental experience I ended up hanging the drumsticks.
But watching you slowly improving with them makes me want to play the drums again... maybe someday :)
Played a real guitar for 37 years. I can play any song in the world. but on Clone hero I get destroyed so badly just like the first time I ever picked up a guitar.
GHWT is what got me into drums and eventually percussion in general, I played GH/RB drums constantly. Clone Hero can be such a great way to learn the drums and it's relatively accessible, just plug and play with an e-kit. And now with Scorespy playing the drums on Clone Hero is even better, being able to see fellow drummers in the community on the leaderboards can be so inspiring while simultaneous making you want to practice even more to reach the top of the leaderboard and beat their score!
I started playing Rock Band drums back on Wii in 2008 and still play regularly (now on Clone Hero) to this day. The game lead me on a path towards music performance which later developed into studio production/music business as well as drumming for a symphonic metal band that I’m very happy with. I’d have no musical path at all without this game/genre and I’m very thankful that I ever picked it up.
So glad to see more people like yourself picking it up and finding a passion for it. Best of luck going forward!
Yep, been playing Rock Band since it first came out. Played the drums off and on there and was able to hold my own on medium difficulty. When I got Rock Band 4 back in 2018, I REALLY buckled down, trying to get the patterns and phrasing down and got pretty good. However, it was overwhelming with the notes, especially the kick pedal. So, I got my own a few months later. Have gotten so much better, I'm laying down drum tracks for covers of songs on my RUclips page and I'm making my drummer grandfather proud, may he rest in peace. Glad to hear you've been learning it as well and stick with it! Double bass is tough, but it's soooo worth it. Also, rocking an Alesis! My Command is still going strong after almost half a decade.
Hey Jason. When I learned how to play the drums back in the 80's, all I had was a stereo with headphones, a pair of drum sticks, and a picture of a drum set, so I can "air drum" to the songs I like. The first song I learned how to play on a real set of drums was Johnny B. Goode. It took me 10 years to get good enough in order to play in a band. After that, I was able to play complete songs while having a discussion with someone else, and I was able to play correctly with the lights turned off ( If I was the one who set up the set ). I would have loved to be able to learn how to play the way you are. I am extremally happy to be able to watch you play either the drums, the bass, or the plastic guitar with buttons. Thank you so much for learning and entertaining others. I also thank you for showing us this video and letting us know that Clone Hero is a good way to learn how to play the drums.
Rock on my friend. I will see you soon ❤
CH drums is definitely the easiest and most accessible tool for people with no prior experience reading sheet music, to get into an instrument in a mostly "realistic" manner. Of course mileage varies depending on what players want to get out of the game, but individuals who want to learn and take it seriously as a simulation tool can definitely find success on their instruments outside of the game. Great video! It's always cool to see the bigger guitar guys spreading over into the drum side of the game.
i started my drumming career on rock band. Now i can play panic attack on a real kit. Its easily the best place to learn. You are forced to learn so many techniques as you problem solve your way through weird sections. Plus it just teaches you coordination in a fun way. You learn so many different styles and grooves you end up picking up so much along the way.
What do I need to connect my drum kit to clone hero from an android???
From one drummer to another, I'm very proud of your progress! Haven't been able to jump into the streams for a long time, but I'm looking forward to seeing the videos get uploaded here!
tl;dr: Fun game, great learning tool. Helped shape me into the percussionist I am today.
I'm 21 now and come from a family of musicians, and back in 2009 I first played Rock Band 2 at my grandpa's house on my uncle's PS3. I didn't know what I was doing on guitar that well, but they told me to try the drums. I was actually doing surprisingly well on BYOB on medium drums, and that's what got me into drumming in the first place. I got the game for Christmas on my Wii a year later, and played the crap out of it. I ended up improving a lot, so much so that when I started doing band in school, I was already a really good percussionist, but I just didn't know the wacky terms and lingo, but I understood the basics and could adapt easily. The game became even better when Pro Drums were added in Rock Band 3 since you were actually just playing the songs for real, just on a plastic and rubber drum kit. This is 100% a game you should pickup if you're trying to learn drums, and even more so if you're wanting to just do covers of songs, as the notes line up with what you're actually hitting on a real kit, on top of learning independence, gaining endurance, and even learning double pedal on some songs (I am still in the process of that last one lol).
I play drums in a tech death band. I got most of my skills from clone hero, it’s a legit way to learn!
Yes! That's how I learned to play drums. Back in the Rock Band days! Now I play in a band, mostly learned on a real kit by ear but the game helps tremendously with using different limbs to play different rythms.
Late to the party here but just wanted to toss in my agreement. I'm a mid level drummer as I mostly play guitar, but have played for around 35 years. Despite real instrument experience I find Rocksmith useful and fun, even Guitar Hero and Rockband offer valuable skills to learn for beginner guitarists. Many musicians overlook the fact that some people never learned basic music or rhythm at all. . These games absolutely help with drums as well. In fact I'd go as far to say with drums it's basically tablature for sticks with difficulty curves. Even tablature can't do that with just one sheet. And there's the fun part because anyone who has played any instrument for a while knows just how bland it can be playing by yourself sometimes. These games offer a band on demand and can help keep interest
Been toying with the idea of buying a midi kit for Clone Hero for this exact reason, and this kind of pushed me over the edge. It really is an awesome development! It's crazy how you can get a solid midi kit for the same price of a USED rock band drum kit. I'll always love the good 'ol plastic guitar, but I agree this is the future of Clone Hero
i know i’m a bit late to this conversation, but i agree entirely. i played marching snare for a few years and really struggled to use the entire kit. i played clone hero in between normal practice sessions and it’s actually crazy how much better i am now
I've been playing drums in GH/RB since 2008 when GHWT came out, but I always used the stock kits. I finally got an electronic drum kit in late 2021 and have been learning Pro Drums with the cymbals, and man has it been fun. It is awesome how easy it is to set up and play, and I feel like I can finally just tell people I can play drums lol
I've been playing for a a couple years on Clone Hero, and only main the drums. I credit it completely to introducing me to tons of new songs, and improving my drumming in every way. Such an awesome tool!
Coincidentally, I just found out today about Kyle from Counterparts being the #1 drummer on Rock Band. It was brought up on Craig Reynolds podcast along with Will Putney, since Will has produced many of Counterparts records.
While I'm not huge on using an e-kit, this does seem like cool way to practice drums. Been playing drums for nearly 8 years and sometimes I still have trouble staying motivated. Might give this a go sometime in the future!
Couldn't agree more with this video. Been learning drums for about a year, the first 6 months were "self-taught" with RUclips, Drumeo, practice, etc. Second 6 months I added in PhaseShift and I noticed a huge difference, as did my friends and wife! It is so great for inplementing what I've learned to do and it has been amazing at building muscle memory, endurance, accuracy, and overall confidence on the kit!
Going to check out Clone Hero as well to see how it compares
I hope they know what they have and continue to expand. I’m 35 and wanting to learn drums and this sealed the deal on my getting my first e-drum kit. Absolutely awesome.
This video helped push me to get started with drums, and I'm so glad it did! I've been playing for about 8 months now, I can play some songs on Expert, and I've started uploading full combos to my channel. It's incredible getting instant feedback on your performance. And so much fun to play. Thank you!
Congrats on learning drums! Who knows, we might see a clone hero colab with 8-bit Drummer again but with drums! I will never understand why people have an issue with video games and physical development. True, some people may have issue with plastic guitar because it focuses on neck placement rather than string placement, but getting that muscle memory is extremely helpful.
This game is perfect for drums, especially with how harmonix charted the hat whenever open hat is used its usually blue. With a 4th cymbal I set it up as a dedicated hat switchable between yellow/blue with the hat controller, the other yellow as a secondary crash. Then, with the hat switch I mapped open hat to Blue, and closed and loose chank as yellow. I also added a 5th tom as an additional yellow tom, with the sound it makes as a snare. I use Voicemeeter Potato to get the game sound into and back out of Reaper where I have a drum vst hooked up to my kit and I used loopMIDI to pass the midi from my kit to another channel pre-fx that has the loopMIDI port as an output. Then in Clone Hero I use the loopMIDI port and I turn the drums down in game, which works as long as the song has multi-track audio.
Fully agree with this video. I picked up drumming as an active hobby around August of last year, after loving expert drums in Rock Band back in the day. I was really just looking for something to help with keeping active during weight loss that I could do inside if I didn’t want to leave the house due to weather. I ended up playing along to bands I loved in Phase Shift/Clone Hero, I found the transition was easy due to my love of rhythm games in my youth, although foot coordination wasn’t amazing at first.
I have come so, so far in less than a year, and drumming is now one of my favourite things to do. I’ve been noodling around on guitar since around 2006 and I feel like I am more proficient at drums than I ever have been with guitar. I love and appreciate this game, along with the people who take the time and effort to make these charts.
Jason, this is hilarious you are posting this now. I have been on the same journey now for 5 months.
Back in September, I picked up an old Rock Band drum kit controller and began practicing my basic hand foot coordination. I began getting comfortable with that and I went and picked up my first e-kit during Black Friday Sales. I am getting way more comfortable around my kit and playing some songs in clone hero as high as 5 and some 6 difficulty songs. I just set my mind to it and, as someone who has also played guitar for 8 years now, I've wanted to learn for a while.
Great to see you've been enjoying your journey!
p.s, I've seen some of your scores in Scorespy and I'm coming for a couple >:) remember my name
Hell yeah! Will be looking for you on the leaderboards 🤘
I'm a self-taught drummer and mostly learn songs by ear, but as someone who hasn't learned how to read sheet music, I use RB pro drum charts to learn songs as a visual tool in accompaniment with listening, and it's very useful for the most part.
Yeah, open hi-hat being on the blue cymbal and other things, like snare flams being played on both red and yellow pads and not having different gems to signify ghost notes or open hi-hats or flams (something that GH drum charts implemented) can be a bit annoying, but you can pick up on it and get used to it. As Jason says, it ain't perfect, but it's pretty damn good.
It's been great seeing Jason's progression behind the kit and seeing your happiness playing the drums always puts me in the mood to play as well. Keep rocking!
I started a few months ago with some limited percussion education. Definitely agree with your point. I feel like Clone hero has actually given me the ability to move my limbs independently. For people interested in pushing things further, I recommend watching some videos on developing good technique to prevent injury, and some basic rudiments. Diddles/Paradiddles make a lot of passages so much easier
Never played drums prior to Rock Band 1. Always wanted to learn and it taught me. And now Clone Hero is the best thing to ever happen.
Been playing Rockband from 2009, going across many different drum sets until i "built" my last one with many Roland's parts. Still playing Rockband 3 only as to me it's the most fun/hardest game out here because of the tight timing window but I'm pretty sure I'll start playing Clone Hero as well in future, so happy to see people enjoying and supporting it so much and glad that with Scorespy is like having the leaderboards back and working.
Just a quick note; the Midi Pro Adapter you need to connect your e-kit to RB3 is so easy to get and to set-up so, even if this is a bit off-topic, I'd still recommend it if you wanna keep playing on a console.
Clone hero was the reason I got back into rhythm games, I missed the days of playing guitar hero and band hero on my Nintendo WII. It was the game that got me searching for plastic guitars at op shops, on ebay, anywhere I could find one. I used to go to a gaming bar religiously and go wild on the rock band 4 set that was there. That got me searching for electronic drum kits online to begin getting back into drums, I've just been struggling to find one in my financial budget atm. But knowing that Clone Hero has drum support keeps that dream going to get back onto drums and blasting out my favourite tracks again. It will happen, mark my words!
So here's how I'd add hi hat pedal support: split the pedal inputs into 3 separate types of note (left pedal, right pedal, either pedal), then allow those notes to sustain. That way you could chart the left foot for the hi hat and the right foot for the kick drum, or even just use it to tell people what foot a double kick section should start on.
Been drumming for 10 years and my biggest flaw is independence. I just started Clone hero a few weeks ago and it has helped expose my flaw. It's hard to play songs that I "know" how to play and undo bad habits, but so far it's been very helpful.
That looks amazing! Gonna get this IMMEDIATELY once I get an e-kit! Looking forward to more drumming content 💪
you basically described my current situation and the value propositions I saw for this; transferable skill, more accessible, and the classic GH/RB vibe with an active community. lets gooo
Can confirm. I started playing drums on The first Rock Band, joined a band after, then continued to play both drums and rock band, improving all along the way. To this day I still play drums (not professionally anymore) and I just picked up Clone Hero a couple weeks ago.
It's been wonderful and I 100% agree with your point. I too have also been singing the praises of these rhythm games with drums in them for well over a decade, and I'll keep doing so. 🤘
I picked up band hero back in 2009, when I was a young kid. Drums was by far my favourite, I played it day-in and day-out. it was because I loved Drums on band hero so much that my parents and sister decided to buy me a drum kit one year for Christmas. I still played band hero religiously, and felt it was a brilliant way to learn songs and practice rudiments and techniques. Fast forward to today, and I am a professional drummer with a degree (or will have in less than a month) in popular music.
I can honestly say that without band hero, and by extension clone hero, i would not be a drummer today. There is hundreds on things that a professional drummer needs that it doesn't teach you, internal tempo, more advanced sticking techniques, improvisation, controlling tone and sound quality, and many more. But it is such a useful too for education, memory, endurance training and learning that I've found it invaluable in my career.
To this day I consider the guitar hero games to be my first ever drum teacher.
Vinnie Paul once said in an issue of Revolver magazine that playing drums was like having both your arms and legs having separate brains. They all need to work together to make a drum kit work properly.
got into learning actual drums because i got a rockband 1 drumset from my mom in 2009. I now play in bands and i work on solo projects :)
Rock band is why I'm a musician, and although I don't drum much anymore, I got pretty damn good. I did take lessons for a while but I already had the knowledge needed to get started. I would also sometimes play my ekit with a RB track playing on the screen in front of me, not actually playing the game. I totally agree that it's a great way to at least how to play songs and grooves. Highly endorsed by moi
I didn't even know you could play drums on Clone Hero until seeing your videos. As somebody who has owned a Roland TD-4 kit for years I would love to try this out. I have an Alesis amp that I use to play along to music so this would be right up my alley. Thank you Jason.
Hell yeah Jason! I actually also got sucked into the drum world by Rockband, and found that it had actually helped me develop abilities on and off the game, and next thing I know, I'm playing TOOL and Dream Theater songs no problem on an acoustic and electric sets. Rock on!
Clone hero actually helped me a tad, as I hadn't played my guitar in a few years, I decided to come back to it and with the hours I've spent in clone hero it felt easier to shift my hand and get it to where it needed to be, of course it wasnt perfect but it was a lot better than I expected
I play drums a lot. I wouldn't call myself a professional by any means, but I used to put up covers here and there on an old channel of mine which I won't link here unless people really want it. I used videos of rockband long before clone hero implemented drums to practice to. I loved playing my e-kit along to rockband vids and the like, even phaseshift for a short while for more custom songs, Ice Nine Kills charts anyone? Anyway, all this to say, I think its a fantastic tool for learning or for practice along with use of the kit outside the game. Keep up the great work Jason, good to see you being truthful to yourself and keeping up the good spirits. Love this topic and hope more support is continually shown for this. If I had space for my kit now where I was, I would be jamming on clone hero every day.
I started off playing Drums on Guitar Hero World Tour. I had played a little real life guitar at the time too. But I switched over to learning accoustic drums. I had a teacher and a kit at home. And I kept adding onto it to play more of the prog stuff I was into. I played Metallica, Rush, System of a Down, Dream Theater, all sorts of stuff. And I felt playing World Tour first helped me translate a lot of that skill on to real drums.
i actually started learning drums through rockband almost 10 years ago, and i’ve been saying ever since i was immediately able to play a song right after setting up my first e-kit that rockband is the best way to start learning the drums. glad someone with a bigger platform is also saying the same thing
Hi Jason, when i started in rhythm games like GH/RB, right from the start i pickup the drums instrument in Frets on Fire X and i "play" from 8 years in the keyboard, with him i play FoFiX, Phase Shift, Gh:WT and more recently(3yrs) i started to play Clone Hero and buy a used Rock Band 3 Drum kit, man even with just 4 lanes and one pedal i love the feeling to play like a "real drummer", the kick, the feeling on been in the vibe of the music is just from another world. Today i retired my old RB Drum with a lot of scar's (plastic instrument's🙄) and buy a E-kit to learned to play and Clone Hero, obviously, will be a powerfull instrument to help me like they help so many people. See you in the stage Jason :) Hugs from Brazil
May I ask what your keybinds were for the keyboard?
I started playing drums when I was 8, so I was already a relatively okay-ish (middle school jazz band) drummer when RB1 came out with real drums. Back then it was simply fun but more similar to playing tenors in marching band than it is to drum set, and the feel of the pads doesn't match at all for obvious reasons. By the time I finished high school I was a pretty damn proficient drummer and was awarded the Louis Armstrong Jazz Award.
*However,* I now have a decent real electronic drum set, and more importantly, cymbals and Pro Drums/7 lane are now a thing, along with QOL stuff like roll lanes. I have been using Clone Hero for practice for about 8 months and it's fantastic. I never had a double bass pedal before recently, so it's been useful for that, and it's been excellent for working on my sticking for fills and the like, as I would tend to cheat with multiple bounce rolls, which you can't really do in Clone Hero. +1 to Clone Hero as Rocksmith for drums. Just hope they can add hi hat pedal support sooner rather than later, but given primary development is over I'm pessimistic.
100% once you get into expert on pro drums, from my experience, most songs are almost 1:1
Jason! Long time subscriber, first time commenting, but I love your shit!
I got rockband 2 as a kid without ever really touching an instrument before. After playing the game religiously, I went and saw my buddies drum kick, and was able to play the intro to down with the sickness. I felt like I never had to really learn any instruments since then, only re-apply the same principles I inherently learn playing rockband. Music has always been a part of me since Rockband 2.
Love you and love your stuff!
I just found out my 3 year old kit that was useless on GH official is supported through clone hero and now I'm using it for the first time in years and learning at the same time
Ive been playing GH drums since i was a wee lad (around '11 '12) and never used the kick pedal. Then in Nov 2022, I found out how to play Clone Hero with my Alesis Nitro. I jammed out to my fav hits as usual. Then got a RB3 Midi Pro Adapter for Christmas that year and played all the GH games from GHWT to Band Hero to Warriors of Rock, and up until then I had never used the kick pedal I just used auto kick. Something inside me wanted to learn how to use kicks so i practiced using Clone Hero, and now today I can comfortably play X+ songs like Dez Moines or What a Horrible Night to Have a Curse! All thanks to Clone Hero. (this is bootyliciousbuttbanger from twitch btw)
Someone may have said it already, but I think a big reason it works so well is because unlike guitar where the controller isn't very similar to a real guitar, but you can play the drum charts with an actual set of electronic drums. Plus there are the custom charts that can chart things with the intention of being played on a proper kit that can at least get you pretty close to actually learning the song. Won't be an expert course that makes you the world's best drummer of course, but a good tool/game for learning without having to do as much of the really boring and tedious parts.
I learned drums from Rock Band. 100%. It was basically sight-reading and practice pads all combined in a game. Not to mention all it's built-in lessons and rudiments. I work with young musicians and some of them/their parents come up asking how to learn drums and I've always said that for about €50 you can pick up a copy of Rock Band and a used kit and get a big head start on learning without investing big money in a kit or even having noise issues. Clone Hero would be a much better/expanded experience, but for the sake of ease the original contained games are always my go-to for starting off.
Ya same, there’s multiple songs I played a ton on rockband, never having touched a real kit. When I finally got the opportunity to play on a real kit, I could play the songs perfectly as if I had been playing drums for years
@@samplautz5586 That was pretty much my exact experience. Had relatives that played drums and one day out of the blue while visiting them I just sat at the kit and started bursting out "In Bloom" by Nirvana as I knew it so well from Rock Band. Everyone was like, "How tf did you learn to play drums!?"
The entire no doubt/tragic kingdom album is great fun to play on drums!
I was a percussionist in late elementary school. Rock Band made me a drummer. After years of playing the game and practicing on a real kit, I learned how to be a solid intermediate to high intermediate player. Of course I learned a lot outside of Rock Band, but Rock Band absolutely was a key contributor to my development. I would have loved to have had clone hero for drums back when I was a teen.
I don't have an E-kit but I was lucky enough to get a acoustic kit late last year from a family friend and I've been using videos online of charts from rockband, phase shift, (Still a few really good charters out there making charts for the game) and clone hero. I've gotten so much out of it. You 100% have to practice outside of the game but it helps a lot with learning patterns and finding new bands/songs. Also drumming is really good exercise, drumming for a hour or more playing high intensity songs can burn over 1000 calories so it helps you stay in shape too.
Just played clone hero on drums for the first time today and I am immediately in love. Always loved to drum, now I can get decent at it
I think that one of the "killer features" of Clone Hero drums is that you can go to your volume settings and mute the drum track for all official Harmonix/Neversoft drum charts. Then you can plug your computer audio into the mix-in input on your drum module, and you can then listen to the clone hero audio through the output of your drum module. So you can immediately play a cover of every song with your own drum track mixed in.
I haven't played the drums on Clone Hero, but I used to enjoy it on Rock Band 4 and the Guitar Hero series. You've made a very good case for it, though. While I never got to the level I was on guitar, I did find playing the drums immensely satisfying. I would like to try getting an electronic drum kit, but I don't have much space for things in my games space. That's pretty much the main thing holding me back (that, and not being as dedicated a drum player as other CH players might be). I wouldn't want to go to that effort to invest in one if it's only going to be something I play once in a while. But maybe I'll enjoy it so much that I want to play often. I think at this stage, I'll just keep an eye out for a deal that's too good to pass up.
I learned the drums on the original Rock Band. Clone Hero is amazing with the ability to download a ton of custom songs. I haven't been able to play much, but it's probably the best thing for music games since Rock Band.
You can actually open your hi hat and make that a separate midi note and map it to the blue cymbal. That's what I do. So closed hi hat yellow, open hi hat blue, and now you have hi hat support :)
Love the video! I play drums for a cover band, and I use clone hero to practice in my own time. Agree 100% with this video. It is the Rocksmith for drums! (I play that game too haha)
Last year highschool, I remember every weekend afternoon going home with friends and play rock band for 2hours and playing drums. Believe it or not, Uni first year, met a guy who was starting a cover band so i told him that i "played" the drums but easy Songs (Blur-song 2, Coldplay - in my place, ...) So we tried and HOLY COW i was nervous. I looked drum Covers of those Songs and (still have no idea how) nailed it. Today i'm very proud of My drumming Skills and thankful with These rythm Games
yeah this is what happened with me, played drums on and off on rock band for like 7 years and eventually started learning actual drums, which was very easy to pick up because of rb, three-ish years later and i still play clone hero on my e-kit more than i play my acoustic kit
I've been drumming for nearly 20 years now and I have to say, the transition between e-drums/clone hero to real drums is nearly seamless. Of course there's a lot more to it (you're not going to sound good if you play an acoustic kit after having played only on clone hero), but everything else is there: independence, rhythm, timing, it's all there. Of course accents, dynamics, ghost notes and a general finesse (an essential part of sounding good) are not replicable on clone hero drums, but the essential part of playing the drums is right there
Thanks so much, man. Exactly what I'm looking for.
While I don't have a great way to play drums on clone hero, I have messed around with charting drums on clone hero. It was a complete mess at first but after I learned what should be charted where and seeing it play back I saw how useful clone hero. Just by charting I could see the patterns and while I may not have learned how to play drums, I've learned how to write drums because you really do pick up on so much from it
I learned to play drums 15 years ago, largely through translating my knowledge of sticking from GH/RB to the real kit and then applying the hi hat pedal and accents/ghost notes. I'd say I'm a decent drummer, so Jason is right, this is a legit incredible tool to learn the instrument.
That rockband adapter for the pro drums takes me back. Took SO long for it to release in the UK
Even if the video is 1 year old. What is also super good to learn drums AND combine your e-drum is "Paradiddle". Sadly its a VR only game, but its great to play songs how u have to play them on real drums.
ill definetely share this video whenever someone asks me if theres rocksmith for drums haha
I started on the drums with GHWT back in 2010, you could even practice on practice-pads and playthrough vids when you don't have the games and module.
The Warning sisters got their start playing Rock Band, and those girls are phenomenal musicians today!
I just recently got an electronic drum kit, I'm gonna have to try this! Also hell yeah for Moron Police, Captain Awkward by them is still one of my proudest charts for CH ^^
You'll have a blast. Hope to see you on the scorespy leaderboards. That whole CD is damn enjoyable 🤘
Another alternative, is a game called Paradiddle VR. Of course you don't get actual feedback and hits from a drum. But it goes through the basics
Exactly what I have been asking myself - as a Rocksmith 2014 fan, just getting into drums. Paraddidle on Quest may have just taken it up a level
I started the drums by using melodics, but quickly changed to clone hero bc it just makes so much more sense. Melodics works essentially the same way but its side scrolling which is kinda awkward. Melodics does however offer all the hits including all pads and open and closed hi hat. In the end I've been drumming for about 8 months and have definitely improved primarily using clone hero. I started with the nitro max kit and am now upgrading to a strike pro SE as I really want a proper hi hat and more realistic pad size and zone triggers.
Late to the party, but I am ALL for you learning drums. I wish something like this was around when I was first learning drums, because it would have saved my dad his sanity. Either way, you have the support of this 25-year veteran of the beating sticks.
Keep your elbows in and watch your wrist positioning. Make sure you’re using your wrist and fingers more than your whole arm. It’ll really help with your endurance!
Hearing that you don’t need the Rock Band adapter AND you can map out the pads as you need is huge. I’ve been looking into getting an electric kit for a while now and knowing I’ll be able to play Clone Hero out of box and map out the pads for a left-handed player like myself is exciting.
I had an e-kit before I started playing clone hero and finding out that I can bring another one of my hobbies into a game I’m in love with just made it so much more fun being able to show people my passion and then actually understanding is a good thing to lol
Since you've already played drums in the past, you'll get a kick out of the more advanced customs. Some custom tracks are note for note tabs with dynamics included. If you aren't already on the scorespy build of CH, definitely grab that for drum leaderboards as well
I haven't played drums on Clone Hero yet, but I'd spent hours playing them on Rock Band 3 years ago. Haven't touched them since last time I moved, maybe it's time to assemble them again :D
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lol i didnt expect anyone else to enjoy the phantom below chart, i thought it was kind of a hidden gem. the guitar chart is also really fun
It's so damn fun! The pace, the different techniques, the rolls. So satisfying to play
JasonParadise comes back and uploads more videos in 2023
I'm super late but I'm glad I could be of contribution during the stream! Also glad you enjoyed my choice!
Thanks for trying it bro I was just thinking about it if its actually good for learning apparently it is
Looking back on it, I learned sooooo much about how to play the drums from Rock Band, and although I had the original RB 1 kit, I could still transfer the skills I acquired to a real kit. I haven't had a chance in years to play on a real kit or play Rock Band again, since the old kit broke. Maybe someday I'll buy an eKit and get back into it.😄
Playing drums in these games is so good! That was my favourite part about Band Hero - but at some point those drums broke and I couldn't play anymore. Maybe one day I'll get a proper electronic drum kit and play Clone Hero...
C3 is a great place to get custom songs with both the rock band layout and double bass
I played percussion for 8 years. Rockband got me into an actual kit i just bought and set up the same kit you have. Javent played yet but excited
I been wanting to learn more finger drumming because I have an Ableton Push, and I tried it and it just works. the response time is perfect too, so now I am just learning finger drumming and keeping up with the rhythm.
I bought an EKIT like 2 months ago and never touched it after a week because IM TERRIBLE at keeping myself on pace as its so demotivating for me as I want to learn things but just jamming out while learning isn't possible. I was thinking of hiring a teacher so I can keep someone to push me. But I play a TON of rhythm games and I'm going to move my ekit over now :D Thanks for the video!
As a drummer, I definitely think Clone Hero is, like, you said, a great tool. Theres a lot of things it teaches you naturally in a game context that's really useful. But outside of just hi-hat pedal support and the other things you listed, the main thing ot doesnt do thats a staple to learning drums is rudiments. Certain stickings like buzz rolls, double strokes, and flams just cant be replicated in this format.
Tbh, that plastic guitar did make me learn to play scales faster on my real guitar