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When it comes to Fanservice, the more cakey kind has two sides to it. The people who find older characters to be attractive or in the reverse. What do you or anyone else in this pinned comment think about a underage age person crushing on an older age character?
Fan service is like salt. If it’s used with reason, it’ll make something better. But when it’s the only thing you get, it immediately ruins your appetite
to be fair, I am quite a fan of salt, and add more salt to my food than most... and yet when I'm the cook and put the amount of salt I want in, everyone loves it...
Fan service can be good when timed just right and is used moderately but if it’s placed when the plot starts getting engaging then it can often bring down the momentum.
this is something that Mieruko-chan suffers from, it is such a good horror slice of life anime that falls into we need to show boobs to keep the interest in the series. if they were to take out the fan service it would make the series better as you can focus in how well it handles every other aspect of the series.
Ironic part with Yugioh is that the card game is meant for kids. At the age +13 and up (official in the konami site). So Tori fits the age range for the kids even if its creepy. So we can argue morals here depending on age.
The slowing of momentum could also theoretically be used to shock yourself back to reality of the world you are viewing being a terrifying and horrible place
Endgame ended a nearly eleven year storyline. Their flagship characters just left. People have grown tired of the mcu. So in order to make fans watch a show or movie they place fanservice in it. This is mearly a possible explanation for the increased amount of fanservice in the mcu
I hardly watch the new MCU movies anymore. Partially because I think I’m becoming tired of them reusing the same structure for almost every solo film for a new hero. Another is because most of the characters I liked are gone due to Endgame. I just don’t have as much motivation to keep up with the MCU.
@@javelinmaster2 I'd say No Way Home was Marvel's best use of fanservice because it added a lot to the film in terms of story. Shame it wasn't the case elsewhere in the MCU.
Fan service regarding age in anime is always a weird area. You can have teenagers with the bodies of adult models and you can have adults who look like 12 year olds.
@@Ramsey276one Ah yes. People do sometimes forget about Jotaro's age. (And somehow not make a big deal around it compared to other characters in anime like MHA)
@@ardantop132na6 Josuke and Giorno are also both younger than Jotaro and don't at all look their age. Josuke going to school at least is a good reminder of it, but Giorno I always forget he's so young.
An example of Sentai fanservice, (besides the fan service) I remember them bringing back Gai for a gag where a bunch of villainesses and female characters fell in love with him. Then Gokaiger which is the season of fanservice, bringing back returning actors. Which was used as a celebration for Sentai as a whole, and to make kids happy after suffering through earthquakes. Heisei Generation Forever, most fond moment in the movie was when Takeru Satoh returns in the role of Ryotaro.
Or with Beyond Generations when we have Hiroshi Fujioka's son play the younger version of his father's character. At the same time, No Way Home had the return of Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield. These are good examples of fanservice as well.
I feel a good type of Fanservice comes from Kirby games. The games are often PACKED with fanservice, though they almost never impact the game themselves. Often they're callbacks or returning characters, and they're always implemented well into the game (Kabula in Robobot, Pon and Con in Star Allies, Dual Needle from 64 returning as Clutter Needle, etc.).
Yugioh is actually really annoying in fanservice. Not in the upskirt shots but the obsessive references to DM. We can't go a week without a new piece of Dark Magician, Blue-Eyes or Red-Eyes support being announced. They have since moved on to give us more cards from other eras of Yugioh but those 3 decks still more attention many other niche strategies. Shout outs to Payne 96 who has been waiting 1400+ days for new Volcanic Support.
And yet somehow Red-Eyes continues to suck complete ass- Why? CUZ ITS BOSS MONSTERS CAN'T BE BROUGHT BACK WITH ITS OWN FUCKING REVIVAL TRAP! They either A. Don't contain "Red-Eyes" in the name or B. "Cannot be Special Sunmoned except by X"
I really hate how much attention DM gets from both the fanbase and from Konami themselves. It gets a treatment that most other series don't get, and it takes away the spotlight from other series. Yugi always appears front and center, loads of monsters inspired by Dark Magician and the "Eyes Dragons", nonstop DM support like how Weevil, Espa Roba, and Mako are getting more support than Axel, DM is the one that gets the most merch and stuff made for it, all three movies have involved DM, basically every well known Yugioh meme comes from DM, Mako replaced Nasch on the cover of a set in the west, Rush Duels give way more acknowledgement to DM than other series who usually just get a nod or card inspired by them at best, and of course the nonstop support for Dark Magician and Blue Eyes. And somehow that isn't even all of my examples. Yugioh gives Pokemon a run for it's money when it comes to showing off the first generation.
Most of this you can blame DM fan base and most of the older player base who hasn't cared about YGO since GX or 5Ds. Konami will never stop pandering to DM fans.
@@-emerald-1553 I personally don't think Yugioh takes away from the other series. I can understand the frustration but Yugioh pandering to DM ain't the same as Pokemon since that's leagues worse. Gen 7 of pokemon literally had all regional variants of gen 1 pokemon. Like I said, I understand where ur coming from but personally, I don't think Yugioh is that bad. Obviously it is but to a lesser extent
Don't forget the annoying effects DM archetype support gets too when it comes to new support, where they give the card it's main effects and then just give it a powerful extra effect for no reason other than because DM, like opponent can only summon 1 monster at a time, opponent can't activate anything when this card attacks, just banish any opponents card for summoning Dark Magician etc etc...
Sounds like alcohol. Used properly can make the party better, sometimes even more glamorous. But when there's too much party can turn into disgusting mess
Since I'm assuming the girl in the thumbnail is from Yu Gi Oh, I have an interesting bit of trivia about the game. Players being unhygienic became such an issue, the official rule book now requires players to bath and wear clean clothes before playing, or else they'll be penalized for being stinky. Let that sink in...
"Metal Gear Solid 4" is the perfect example of that, as that game focuses on answering questions that were never meant to be answered after "Metal Gear Solid 2" and on excessive fan service at the cost of story and characters.
@@William5000000 Oh, you mean a perfect example of what not to do. Alright. I’ve heard that the Yakuza series is really good at doing this correctly though. I’ve also heard that some entries have pacing issues but that’s true of every game franchise.
@@RegalPixelKing I tend to think of plot and fanservice as two separate things. Fanservice is a "reward" for viewers that occurs in a plot, whereas the plot is the overarching story
@@dislikebomb6680 In some cases that is the case, but in other cases fanservice and the story are so interconnected that they are the same thing. No Way Home is a perfect example. Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire, as well as the villains from their respective movies showing up was 100% fanservice, and the plot could not have worked without that fanservice. Something being plot relevant does won't stop something from also being fan service.
that part with the editor rage really got me. you're a master of both comedy & knowledge on video games, and shows. my hat's off to you @MangaKamen, bravo. 👏😊
Kirby star allies is the perfect example of proper fan service. Have the characters still be themselves, then also have them play the role they were always supposed to have. (i'm not just talking about the dream friends, I'm talking about pon and con, too)
I think that the fanservice saved that game, Star Allies wasn't very popular but then everyone started to have fun playing their favorite characters and we got an extra mod where every character could shine.
I love the fanservice in Star Allies. It's my favourite part about the game and honestly why I like the game more than I think I should. Sure a lot about the game leaves me disappointed as a Kirby fan but they brought back my boy Gooey so now I'm legally obligated to give it a pass.
To use a cooking analogy, Fan service is like a strong spice, not every show needs it, a little at the right time or in the right way can enhance a show, and some shows are built completely around it. Some people will avoid it and some people can't get enough of it
I think it's primarily gen z & millinials from the west with a certain "Tumblr/political correctness" mindset (I noticed a lot of girl "artists" especially have this mindset), and those in Japan with a west influenced mindset, that view it this way. Those who truly understand the culture, goal, money, etc, will usually appreciate the anime/manga more.
I think it would have been more accurate to call Multiverse of Madness and She-Hulk and a lot of stuff lately that twist the fan service and kill or disrespect the characters as "Fan Disservice"
The sad part about Yu-Gi-Oh fanservice is that they actually did it right in GX. I mean, GX had just cameos, didn't use them to sell the show and then gave the show a big fanservice final episode. I mean come on, Yugi vs. Jaden (Yes I use the dub names COME AT ME) is pure fanservice don't deny it.
Not really Compare to the other Yugioh spain offs GX was the most connected to DM since a lot of DM characters have showed up in the show including Yugi in the first episode But they definitely could have done it in a different way, like make Jaden duel grown up Yugi instead of making him go back in time to do it
What about the whole episode dedicated to Jaden out right having a duel with Dark Magician Girl? She had an entire Dark Magician Girl themed deck and everything
I've actually started watching Yugioh Zexel. The first thought I had on seeing Kotori was "My belt is longer than that skirt.". Things only got worse when they introduce the cat girl who licks her lips at Yuma (the MC/audience surrogate).
Zexal is good, except of being a retelling of DM. What I liked was the Numbers hunting, and then... throw it away and collecting NEITHER ALL OF THEM just the half for the LORE. MC with a dense characterization, a spirit who guide him on being good and the rivals that becomes friends, and you can't say to me that...SPOILER [and that the love interest doesn't even have that lot of screen time... not even is important in the plot. Literally here the BROMANCE is stronger than girls] FINAL EPISODE is literally Yugi Vs Atem.
Fairy Tail is the peak of what is wrong with arbitrarily adding in fan service. "Hey this character was just resurrected after a very sad mourning period, what should we do with her?" "Let's detrack from a pivotal tournament arc and have a bikini scene in the arena with her in it!" Years later: "Hey let's bring back the worst kind of Team Rocket rip offs and have the girls dance in tight clothes." "Oh let's have character's be tortured but focus on their chest and crotch areas for way too long." Series where they try to act all edgey then have a really really bad fan service joke in there may make me peeved for a moment but Fairy Tail has had such a weird fetish with it going on. Like they think their audience can't handle 5 seconds of action with out chesticles bouncing everywhere in between.
In their defense, Fairy Tail is not exactly a serious plot driven story. Fairy Tail is more of a comedy action Manga that doesn't take itself seriously like most typical shonen animes so they are allowed to play with their fanservice. Also, the fanservice just doesn't apply to the girls but it also applies to the men so it is basically fair game for everyone involved. And another thing, the girls in FT are not reluctant fanservice girls, apart from Lucy, the female characters really don't care. They do not feel shame in showing off their bodies to another and they just doing it because they want to not because the plot demands them to. I might get a lot of hate for this but that's how I see it. Do what you will with the information
@@siphemanana2551 in my opinion the problem is that it expects to not be taken seriously in the wrong way, it doesn't present itself as a genuinely funny comedy as in the world and scenarios are wacky and weird but nonetheless make sense within the world they exist in Example: Monkey D. Luffy needing to eat copious amounts of meat to ensure his rubber body remains stretchy, rather than something that exists within a vacuum that the reader is meant to point and laugh at because the author demands it but instead uses the "it's comedy, it's not meant to be taken seriously" excuse, which can whittle it down to a show for toddlers, due to a lack of coherency Example:Almost all females in Fairy Tail have the same body type(big boobs and slim figures), this raises a question as to why the men are so pervy or horny, because you can see a woman almost as sexy as Lucy or Erza walking down the street any other day. This denotes the joke of men being pervy to just being straight up spineless cucks who hyperventilate at even their own female cousin. An arguably better joke would be the men thirsting over flat or overweight women whenever the objectively beautiful women(Cana, Erza, Mira etc) are suddenly undressed or exposed,this is giving the fans "service" without it not destroying the value of the story
An interesting way Yu-Gi-Oh did fanservice as in service to the fans was in the one of the storylines that are told through the cards (to give an explanation, most archetypes in Yu-Gi-Oh have their own lores, most of the time self-contained to them and a few other archetypes, however there are also some bigger storylines that have a big number of archetypes be apart of them, like for example the Abyss storyline which sees the archetypes of Dogmatika, Tri-Brigade, Sprigans, Despia, Swordsoul, Icejade, Therions, Spright, and Bystial interact togethers in a storyline that mostly revolves arounds the Fallen of Albaz). The Duel Terminal Storyline is the longest running storyline the game has had, starting in the 5D'S era of the game, and ending in the Arc-V era (technically they're still released cards for the archetypes to this day, but they're also not new additions to the story and more like ways to fill-in for some unclear events while supporting said old decks). One of the archetypes released in the latest season of Duel Terminal is called Qliphort. At the end of the World Legacy storyline (a storyline that started in the Vrains era of the game), one of the final cards is Avida, Rebuilder of Worlds, who is a god that recreates that planet the characters lived on after it got massively fucked up. Now one of the interesting part of Avida's design is that it has cores very similar to the one present on the Qliphorts, which would connect the Duel Terminal and World Legacy storyline by implying the Qliphorts used to be part of Avida.
2K YuGiOh lore is something else Seriously, the end of Dogmatika has a character wearing gear from most of the archetypes at the end, Fallen of Argyros XD
Senran Kagura got done so dirty in terms of fanservice with each game passing. Like yeah it has some horny moments, but that was at least in the case of you going into the series knowing what to expect. I liked how each girl actually had depth to their characters and the way they interacted with one another was entertaining and had me eager to see more. Sadly after Estival Verses it started to focus more on the fanservice side of things and now every girl is just a one note joke.
SK from what I’ve read has some pretty interesting lore when it comes to the setting and it’s characters. It just sucks that they never really expand upon it. Like I’m generally curious about the relationship between Asuka’s grandparents, or the history behind the yoma demons.
Then you have Ikkitousen which is mostly fanservice and has alot of depth and story. But the story went out of pocket and the lore is now more confusing than a Kingdom Hearts plot.
What do you mean "after?" They started loosening the plot since Shinovi Versus. Least we got Deep Crimson afterwards. It's a tragedy what happened to this series.
@@MrRAGE-md5rj I’m sorry but the plot of SK was bare bones, nonsensical, basic and nothing spectacular it was the same stuff you’d see anywhere else in any other anime and most of the time they really tried way to hard being over dramatic in some instances you already know no one is going to die so why even have those conversations about it and that’s another thing the VN take way to long to get to the point then finally gameplay comes but it’s only 5 mins while I’m reading for like 20 last I checked this was a game not a VN. The characters are cool and all but it came off more as a character driven series than a story one and to be honest fans should stop being disingenuous pretending that it’s something deep when it really isn’t it’s surface level and makes the characters slightly interesting at best I can get sad backstories, generic monsters in any other game and series. The series was always silly even in the beginning the demon monsters have booba for crying out loud I’m guessing it’s because their female but still even their a tad bit silly despite looking completely out of place for something like SK but despite what I think I am open to hearing others opinions on it.
I can understand why the legacy characters in Arc-V needed to be alternate versions to fit the narrative, their main issue was the way they handled the GX and Zexal cast because it took way too long for them to be introduced while the show was already rushing to its ending. Also Arc-V was already introducing way too many new characters in an already bloated cast which is why the tournament arc in the Synchro Dimension took forever.
Then you might as well watch the ones that don't have fanservice whatsoever. This whole "it's good but only at certain times" is not worth appealing to.
Fan service of the latter variety hits different in different anime for me. Sometimes it supplements the wonderful story, character development, or action scenes (e.g. my fav series Kill la Kill). Sometimes it's just the main focus of a stupid/sophomoric show (e.g. Keijo!!!!! or Senran Kagura). Finally, it can be laughed away as pure satire (Shimoneta). Interestingly enough, I enjoy all three usages depending on the circumstances.
Something I always found interesting about the fanservice in Keijo is just how seriously they treat it. The fact that they have training montages for their butts, have special named techniques for various ways of hitting with their boobs and butts, and the fights are treated like a Dragon Ball Z battle. it's so silly it somehow loops back to being endearing. And it was also interesting just how many puns they managed to put into the special names.
@@cybertramon0012A lot of shows have fan-service and take themselves far to seriously. Although in Keijo it is obviously not ment to be taken seriously. It is so over the top and ridiculous that its funny.
She Hulk isn’t fan service is a bunch of woman who have 0 experience in superhero and court room dramas writing a show that’s about both and had those characters for well click bait. Dr Strange, I’ll give u that
Gundam Build series. Cameos, references and injokes to the franchise. Yet the stories never suffered from the fan service. Plus build fighters had Ramba Ral as a main supporting Character.
When it comes to "sexy' fanservice, I don't mind it. It only really bothers me if it's placed in like a serious scene which kills the mood entirely. Other than that, "sexy" fanservice is pretty cool in my eyes, as someone who unironically has anime Highschool of the Dead, DxD, and Keijo as some of their all time favs. Then again, 30% of my personality is being down bad for anyone or anything so I might be biased in that regard. "Easter" fanservice is something I'm more mixed on. On one hand, having something being brought back or referenced in a franchise can feel great, especially if the people behind them are fans of it too. On the other hand, relying on too much on Easter Eggs or tickling the fans nostalgia boner can greatly harm the quality of certain media. It's why SW and Sonic fans are sick and tired of constant references to their pasts in every new entry.
I like sexy fanservice when used appropriately. Either build the scene or show about it. DxD is a good example of a show being built to be fanservicy. Even using Issei's skills of tearing down clothes strategically, and sometime subert it when an exhibitionist shows up. For Easter eggs. I remember when the MCU started. We had Hulk being targeted by Stark's missiles. Capttain meeting Starks father, etc. It was used Sparringly, but never took over the whole movie. Leading to the first Avengers to feel like a natural conclusion of it. A good Marvel(?) movie that handled Easter Eg fanservice was into the Spiderverse, since it involved the concept of uniqueness.
@@zionthedragon8866 I guess it really depends on the tone of the series in general. Like, I don't think the bikini scene in Star Trek Into Darkness fits that movie's tone in anyway. Alice Eve does look pretty good in it, I'll admit.
@@kingbash6466 that's different from a "serious/tension" scene being ruined. That's more like inconsistent and out of left field. And that I would say is dumb.
I definitely agree with this. My issue with easter fanservice is also about how it holds back the stories. As great as it is to see old characters pop up in Star Wars, it gets to the point where either the galaxy is a really small place, or the characters are living black holes that force the story to orbit them. As much as I enjoyed Book of Boba Fett when it started, the fanservice wore it down by having half the season be about the Mandalorian, bringing back Cobb and setting it in Tatooine again, despite other planets being available. And it also ruins the tension as well. As soon as Cobb was shot, I could just tell that he wasn't going to stay dead, because people liked him too much. Mando and Boba weren't in danger, because they were there specifically for the fanservice. And so you've got this huge group of people who the story won't kill, and so the bad guys and killer robots look really incompetent. Of course, I don't like it when they bring back a fan favourite just to kill off, as they are doing. So maybe what they should do is have these characters show up just long enough to show that its all connected. Or even just be mentioned, to establish that.
I don’t entirely dislike fanservice, but it’s only at certain times in anime when I just ask “why?” Almost every instance of which I can remember absolutely stops the moment so we can see some 🍒 for a second or two. I especially despise it in Fire Force, which I recently stopped watching because it got annoying. Trust me I’d enjoy this stuff as much as the next guy but sometimes I just want a cool story and action instead of having that abruptly interrupted so that one fan can get a bonified high.
If you don't like the fanservice in Fire Force when why watch it in the first place??? This whole "I like it but at certain times" is almost meaningless as it feels like it has to fit you standards. Why no just watch Anime with zero fanservice like Kiznaiver or ERASED which are both good?
I see it like this: A character has no actual agency in their story. If a character is putting themselves in fanservice-y predicaments, that's a part of their character (or it's important to the plot/themes like Kill la Kill). If the author/director/camera is doing it, then it reveals the hand of the author and can break immersion. That's why I like when Bayonetta and Mai Valentine do it but hate it when it's happening to most of the female characters in Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Bayonetta and Mai are active participants. Xenoblade feels like I'm forced to watch a pervert trying to shove their camera up someone's skirt. Edit: I should add that I am female myself, so that might color my perception a bit to the more common forms of the male gaze.
I will say, it's strange that irl a lot of attractive girls will want this sort of camera thing you call "pervert" yet is not considered as much because they actively engage in it even when unaware but would fully support it. But girls who wear ridiculous clothing with really short skirts that it barely hides their panties and very lewd outfits when a camera shot gets an angle that brings out their lewdness of these FICTIONAL characters, then there is a problem and the artist or camera person is a "pervert?" I don't follow the logic. It's one thing if they suddenly act out of character and want to be lewd, or the world bends logic to make them look lewd, but idk about camera angles being a example of a true "pervert" As for that last term, I feel that's a bit sexist and disingenuous to bi/homosexual people and comes off to me as a bit anti-homo, possibly anit-[male]hetero, and ignores the "female" gaze? Why emphasize the fact it's male? What's wrong with men staring and not females who also stare? I get a lot of gaijin, especially in western & northern European, as well as USA, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand (to name a few) have this bizarre and seemingly hypocritical mindset, but it seems double standards and more malicious than the poorly executed fan service spoken about here to me as of current. Yeah, some fo of sexual fan service needs to be toned down, but camera angles for characters wearing lewd/skin tight/revealing/ridiculous clothing that has a realistic chance of someone seeing that lewd bit seems like a bad example you have imo, and shouldn't matter which sex sees it. Either everyone sees it (with the only caviot being if you are of the right age imo), or NO one sees it imo. Implying men shouldn't watch is what I consider a gross form of gate-keeping I will not support.
To go along with that, Juliet Starling in Lollipop Chainsaw. She's sexualized a bunch in that game, but just like Bayonetta, it's part of her character, and it doesn't feel forced, gross, or overall weird. It feels natural because that's part of their basic character traits
Smooth, solid take. o: When characters like Bayonetta choose to be revealing, you can see how well they handle it, as opposed to an outside God being obsessively sexual about their own playthings, even when they're decently dressed. There's consent and choice to Bayonetta being revealing, but I'm sure any girl would feel uncomfortable to know that God was broadcasting reality and they gave their* favorite girl's curves 12% of the screen time lol Of course, someone can come along and say this is all overthought, but people have complex minds. Even if one isn't willing to justify a position like mine, it is still valid for being rooted in social things like consent, perspective and empathy towards drawings~
@@snowarmth Precisely! If it's part of a character's personality then it's excusable but when it's done for no reason then it undercuts the character because you're dehumanising them at a fundamental level (Which is why I think we need to add extra criteria to creative commons and public domain.) and this isn't just limited to anime, it can also happen with actors, musicians and, in the worst of cases, just random people.
@The Eclipse I don’t have a problem with it existing,just I specifically don’t have any interest in it; I couldn’t care less if someone else has an interest in it.
I think a good example of fanservice, or at least a better one, is Kirby. Kirby does a lot of fanservice, from referencing or remaking fights against old bosses, reintroducing old copy abilities, and then there was Star Allies.
How about serving the fans oh ya know, quality storytelling, character arcs, pathos, homage not references, earnest, meaningful and relatable tales that both nourish and challange its viewers/fans. Ya know... art?!
My take is that the "cheesecake" style of fanservice certainly has its place, and that's in light-hearted downtime. If you want to throw in a "beach episode" or "hotspring scene" or even just have bouncing tits/pecs in a relaxed 'at home" scene that is fine, but shoving it in your face when the story/plot should be the thing that is supposed to be center stage is bad. You can even get away with characters that have a character "quirk" of being "well endowed" in one way or another and them showing that off on a regular basis in their wardrobe choices, but you should only be really emphasizing that character's "assets" in down time, you shouldn't be putting in close ups of your characters' tight ass or glistening pecks in the middle of a climactic fight scene
I like fan service when it's a reward for a payoff, like the Captain America service, or when anime only do it for certain scenarios like when the characters go to the beach.
The thing with fanservice (the non-sexual kind) is you have to go all the way with it and understand what specifically fans want to see. It can be easy to screw up. As for the sexual stuff, I generally never like seeing this, but I can tolerate it if it at least feels naturally woven into the plot, but a lot of times though it just feels weird and forced. It also usually kills the pacing and at worst even makes characters feel very out of character.
Controversial example, when most of the trailers for The Last of Us 2 predominantly featured Ellie and Joel. Yet another character is more extensively featured than Joel was
Fan service, where it can used accordingly and in moderation, is fine to me. I don't tend to have an issue with it in general. It does distract in moments where it doesn't make sense to pop up. Regarding underage characters, it's definitely one thing to find it weird. I know I do at times. However, I don't agree with it being a red-flag situation, mainly in terms of discerning fiction from reality. People on Twitter, for example, often sling the p-word around, watering down and twisting its meaning, and simply using it wrong. If the situation's not actionable, it's a waste of time and resources. Idk why so many get hung up on stupid things like this. Otherwise, fan service is not too bad, so long as it's used properly, and it fits the series.
One fan service example I liked from Cardfight Vanguard recently was a lot more subtle. In the last season, it was a tournament arc and during a role call of all the participants, they played an instrumental version of Vanguard's first ever opening. It was so abript with no hint in advance so i immediately jumped from my spot on the couch. No returning characters or anything like that, just some music. Something like that is what I enjoy because it's subtle enough where it's not trying to use fan service as a crutch but rather an Easter egg to fans who've been with the series for a long time.
I do like fanservice. I don't feel it detract from the history or denigrate the character as people says. This "war" on it feels more like a way to censor artists and make them abide to a standard they may not like. They ignore what the artist likes even though 70% of them in Japan are female, which some stated they do like their females characters in those ways.
It’s because the people who complain are people usually NOT born in Japan. In America; for example, they took great offense that dragon ball showed goku/gohan’s willy and how violent it was. The same people that marketed sexy female characters in their comic books are offended that Japan does it too. I mean hell even their cartoons are no different in terms of it.
@@DarkEclipse23 agreed, I don’t watch much TV anymore at all but meh, here in the west we kinda do the same thing anyways with sexual fanservice from weird sex jokes, flashy characters, and shows about nothing but sex, except maybe unlike Echi, we show a bit more of the sex for at least a second more. Also sometimes we tend to treat it as a good thing (for example GOT and Eurotha), vs how we treat anime fan service. Here in America we are guilty af for similar or the same things we criticize anime for, even down to the age problem of characters being sexualized despite the character not being over 18 tho in the case of us in America we instead tend to have adult actors playing as teenagers in live action shows doing sexual stuff.
Anime/Manga is so overstaturised with "Fanservice" that I don't like it and have to actively ignore it to enjoy the Anime/Manga. I also normalized it so much that I get confused when it doesn't happen. For example, I read this one manhwa "Survival story of a sword king in a fantasy world", really enjoy it and the Mc gets this feminine looking wizard partner, coming from a strict dragon hunting knight family and I think he's going to be revealed to be a girl and they're going to hock up even though there are no signs to that and it turns out he's a dragon a male dragon, not a girl, and I was so surprised that it happened and I realized that I seen Fanservice so much that I expected it everywhere.
Basically what Toriyama did in the Buu where they hype the children and Gohan where Goku and Vegeta steal the spotlight... by having Buu kill the sons alongside the planet as they just fight him again next episode
I think one of my favorite uses of fanservice is the citadel dlc for mass effect. It was a dlc all about the characters, the memes, and it still has slow emotional moments. It seemed like a genuine love letter to the community. New Star Wars battlefront ii also had great fanservice. “Hello there” or “roger roger” can be said by a lot of characters. It also added the arc trooper and the clone commando, two of the most loved clone variants in Star Wars.
As long the fanservice isn’t ruining moments where I’m supposed to give a shit like with a serious or tense moment or when it isn’t the whole personality and purpose of a character, then bring on the anime tiddies anytime. One can question the necessity (distracting from the plot) of it if they want but to me, it gives the story a more personal feel and along with other things makes it feel alive, I’m not here to read/watch a creator’s checklist of plot points, it’s ok for things not tied to plot progression to happen.
I personally don't mind as long as the show is honest about it or does something funny or clever with it, take Gintama for example, it uses almost no fan service but when it happens it's so over the top or it leads to a joke.
@@tintor2 maybe it's because I'm not into yaoi but I never really noticed it, except when they lean into it as a joke (the last movie has a blatant fujo scene though), the female audience is definitely there but it's also hilarious knowing they love the dumb shit that happens on the show or at least I hope so lol
I have absolutely no problem with fanservice of any kind. The only thing it needs to be is being fun. That's it. Even better if they own it and don't excuse it. Like Atsushi Okubo with Fire Force, he said "you don't like my fanservice? Good, leave. I'll even use one of my characters as a mouthpiece to drive the point". Absolutely based.
To me, service to the fans doesn't really matter to me, unless it's not entertaining. And given that I have low standards for entertainment (I like all the Marvel movies, warts and all), that very rarely ever happens. As for fanservice, well, I think that everyone are skeletons in meatsuits; I don't let it get to me, because they're free to do whatever they want with their bodies, so long as they don't unjustifiably criticise my choices. And since they can only influence the world through fans...
That said, child fanservice... Well, if I were to see somebody underage being aggressive to anyone, I will pull them away with the least force necessary, and politely ask them to rethink their lives. If they're not, I'll just not bring it up until they do.
As a perhaps too dedicated fan of Arc-V, I'm continually disappointed by how they handled the legacy characters in that show. Example: They already had an edgy guy who fights for revenge and for his younger sibling as an original character in the show. Then they brought in Kite from Zexal, and... he has the exact same personality and backstory as this already existing original Arc-V character, except because of how late he appears, his character arc is minuscule and he feels absolutely nothing like the Kite Tenjo that we've come to know and love. This hit especially hard as I just finished watching Zexal, and Kite was a fantastic character in that show... (And yes, I use dub YGO names. Bite me.)
The dumbest thing about kotori for me is that she has had more character development in her intro in Duel Links then in the 150ish ep anime. That shit is still stuck with me from the release of zexal in DL all the way to this day.
It's funny that Toei handles the Super Sentai and Kamen Rider series, knowing how to handle fan service ... being the same company that handles many anime with too much fan service.
Fanservice in both senses can act as an enhancement to something that someone enjoys, hence the "fan" in its name, but if it's thrown into something lazy and unenjoyable it won't salvage a product. Especially when it comes to ecchi anime, from my standard I can enjoy some ecchi but the good ones are ones where you actually like the writing and would watch it regardless of ecchi content. I don't think it's necessarily something that wastes time if it gets implemented into a series, in a manner where it's aimed at being a part of the series. By which I mean, if the series is well constructed it will feel like it's fairly natural - usually, due to the nature of ecchi, it's that they make comedic scenarios that do double duty or sometimes it's given a grim setting and the sexual scenes are meant to drive the depravity in the tone. For referencing of prior work it's the same. Sometimes it actually enhances the product, oftentimes it's just "recognize this and clap."
Would’ve loved to see your take of service to the fans when it comes to Pokémon, specially when previous gen characters appear in newer ones such as Cynthia being in BW, Red and Blue appearing in Gen 7 (both the Alola games and Lets Go), and Jasmine being in DPP/BDSP. Imo sometimes it works if they have a significant role and other times it feels they’re just there to be there
For the one in regards to "baiting fans/callbacks to other entries", I think it can work if the people doing the fanservice also show they actually care about the proeprties they are calling back to. Like it is clear bait to want to get people watching, but if executed well, it may cause people to stick around or want to explore the new setting you basically used a ratings trap in order to see what is up with it. I do agree when it's used for manipulation, it just sours my taste in the medium, but if done well, I'll bite. As for the one with the cake, if the show is meant to be for fanservice, even if it has weak writting, it better be worth the watch. Like funnily enough that the thumbnail in the transition had Galko on it, because a gripe I had with an anime that also had a Gyaru protagonist that came not too long after the Galko anime ended was that even though she was cute, I just wasn't experiencing the same emotional investment. The girls were cute and all, but like...they didn't seem to grab me the same way Galko and her friends and classmates did - showing they had more going on than what the surface showed. Heck, maybe Fire Force has a bad habit with how it handles fan service, but I never did mind it, and in a way, if you know the reason why the main guy "smiles", it's basically showing that the situation is just a misunderstanding used for comedic effect. Maybe I'm the wrong guy to talk about it, but I do like cake...especially cheescake, so I won't complain if I find it inside of my box of Shonen O's. (I think the issue is more how badly does the service get in the way of the storytelling - which funnily enough could apply to both types of fan service. If it's not that bad, I just chill with it; if it's like...too distracting, I guess that is when it does become a problem, though I still stand by Tamaki's "Lucky Lecher[?]" Ability not to be a total deal breaker for me, though heard people not giving Fire Force a chance because of her - despite she being a fave.)
Here's my sense on fanservice. I'm asexual so I am not turned on in anyway when I watch some service moment in any show. I watch for kickass animation and good writing, not to watch a girl's skirt get flipped. And I think it gets annoying when the show or manga drops everything to focus on that moment. If fanservice is going to be in a show I think it at least needs to serve a purpose. Like in Cyberpunk Edgerunners were the fanservice shows how Night City is as Dunkey put it "a place where onlyfans became a bigger company than amazon" or heck even none anime like Game of Thrones (which don't get me wrong still has a lot of unnecessary fanservice) where introducing a character in a brothel can show watch that character is like. At the end of the day a show needs to prioritize the story if you want to add it in. And if you want to watch a show just for fanservice, the internet has much better things to offer.
This is my opinion too. It's fine in places where it genuinely makes sense. But for every example of that, I see three examples where the series bends over backwards to fit it in, or just detracts
For the longest time I used to think fanservice by definition was just tiddies and asses in anime because that was the only context I ever heard it in.
With the fanservice portion, while I agree with what you stated about Marvel (especially in She-Hulk, where it teased Daredevil by showing his mask only for him to not show up for multiple episodes), I’m surprised that you didn’t mention DC as well. With their most egregious and recent example of fanservice being with Black Adam. Being that as great as it seeing the Justice Society and characters like Hawkman and Doctor Fate on the silver screen, they film doesn’t really spend any time exploring them and they were obviously only added to pull in diehard comics fans. It’s especially bad how Doctor Fate is just entirely wasted though by severely nerfing him and killing him off, when he’s meant to be one of the strongest characters in the DC universe. However, the worst example is the post-credits scene with Henry Cavill’s showing back up as Superman, being that it was meant to potentially tease him showing up again in future projects after being absent since Justice League…only for them to then announce months later that they’d be rebooting the whole DC movie universe, and that Henry Cavill would no longer be Superman. I get that they obviously didn’t plan this back when they made this scene, but it does show that whoever planned it in the first place had a severe lack of foresight. And so it just causes it to feel artificial at best and pointless at worst. So overall, even if I can agree with Marvel not being the best at handling fanservice, their competitors certainly aren’t the best at it either.
To me, the effectiveness of both kinds of fan service depends on how they are used and how much they are used. For the “bringing back a popular/older character/location” category, if this is just used for the sake of getting people to purchase a product and nothing else, then it falls flat. The character/location has to be treated with respect and good material has to be written for or around them in order for it to work. They also shouldn’t shove the character/location into stories that don’t need them just to sideline them or give them shoddy material. For the “sexual” kind of fan service, it’s dependent on how it’s used and whether or not it’s detrimental to the character at the receiving end of it. If used correctly, this can be done to relieve tension, lighten the tone, or establish character traits. There is a limit to this kind of fan service because too much of it shows that the writers can’t think of material and are just appealing to base human instincts to pad out time.
The best way to service the fans is to make something good, anything else is extra. Its like a cake, fanservice is sprinkles, icing and decorations, a nice touch if the cake is good but is iinda insulting if the cake is actual shit.
13:56 Fire force was my first encounter with that kind of fan service and I dropped it 4 episodes in since it left a bad taste in my mouth, especially that scene.
5:06 I honestly doubt Ryan Reynolds would be on board with Deadpool 3 if they used Wolverine wrong. I'm sure he wants them to have a proper teamup as much as we do. I mean, they managed to keep the R rating and get the movies on Disney+ against all odds (including the fact that Buena Vista and Touchstone are dead and the ill-fated adult Marvel cartoons were put on Hulu)
Fanservice has two flavors, sweet and spicy. Sweet fanservice is calling back to previous events in a series via either making characters return in a cameo or showing the aftermath of what happened previously. Spicy fanservice usually involves characters with outfits that clearly aren't made for the characters. Usually involving outfits that way too obviously small for a specific character and show off way too much skin. I like both flavors of fanservice, but I prefer my spicy fanservice to not involve blatantly sexual sounds that would cause red flags if they could be heard from only a few feat away.
The major fanservice I’m totally fine with is in Neptunia, because it is either the bases for humor or it really just shows how strong each character can be and that they shouldn’t be underestimated and how their attire reflects their personalities oh so well
It's a risk, dedicated to strengthening or growing your audience at the potential cost of artistic integrity. When done with tact it reinforces what sets your story apart from the other generic but competent stories. It also helps when it comes across as genuine earnest and passion. If you're just doing it for the fans then it reads as such but if it's something you love and you want to put more of into your work then I think they'll pick up on that.
1st...... Fanservice. 1:20 That's a graphical glitch... right? 14:20 "Booty is more important than wine/water." *Making editors do Yugioh segments.* Editor Ab use.
It's from Cyberpunk 2077. The first cybernetic enhancement you get is an eye enhancement that allows you to pretty much ID something and hack from a distance IIRC. So it's part of the aesthetic. And also, I don't know what you mean by AB use.
@@KaiserTrigger Oh i know what the game is. What i meant was that the "graphical glitch" looked a bit phallic. By "Ab use" it was a spelling mistake. "Abuse" as a joke by the way. At 8:00 "Editor's Rage" of the YuGiOh segments.
12:30 Damn, Manga Kamen got so angry about absolute degeneracy; his avatar reverted backwards. Lesson for today; Get extremely angry if you want to stay young. P.S: Enjoying your work mate. Carry on with your dreams.
Honestly, I'm just straight up not a fan of sexual fan service. In most situations it doesn't bug me enough to dislike a character or the show, but sometimes it gets to the point where it does. I think high levels of fan service can turn off potential audiences. For example, I'm a woman who is attracted to men, but I don't watch the show Free! because the level of fanservice is just not content I find fun to watch. However, it's easy to avoid content that I'm really uninterested in if it's delegated to a certain genre. What really bugs me more than anything else is how pervasive and inseparable sexual fan service is in animes where it is not relevant to the genre and makes no sense. Like battle-heavy animes that have normal outfits for guys and only bikinis for women. Hell, this prevents me from even showing my dad certain action/drama series that he otherwise might like. For me, when there are a woman or two in the anime who are highly sexualized, whatever. But when there is a clear divide on how the show treats female vs male characters, I might stop watching a show even if I liked where it was going in other aspects. For example, consistently taking female characters' agency away so that they serve a certain role in the plot or get into exposed positions. Making all women have the same body type (specifically when there are men of all shapes), just to make every single woman have sex appeal. And ESPECIALLY when it goes against logic. My Hero Academia is a good example. Like why the hell is Momo shaped the way she is when her power should make her look and function like Fatgum? Why does Bubble Girl have massive underboob when she is shown to be a shy character who seems like she would dress modest? Why do no characters, especially out of the large assortment of main characters, feel like exceptions? And why isn't having sensical sexual characters, like Mount Lady and Midnight, enough? Why am I embarrassed and/or unable to get my very nerdy female friends to watch half of my favorite series because they feel disgusted by character designs or early fanservice plots? I often hear sexual fan service being considered annoying at worst, when it isn't for a lot of people. Individual opinions based on personal experiences are fine, though it should at least be acknowledged that constant fanservice CAN be more of a deficit than just being annoying or out of place. It can make a series difficult for people not into oversaturated fanservice to watch, show that the writers have no idea how to make women feel like sensical and well-rounded human characters, and it can feel a little insulting. This is coming from someone who has no problem playing games or watching shows that center male experiences, is fine with some sexual fan service, and tries to experience media in good faith. I'm just tired of having to be fine with it in widely appealing media because women are not the target audiences of adventure, fighting, or non-romance themed anime. I always get in a weird space when reading a comment section of people saying "I never really mind, though sometimes it can feel overdone." Because that indifference-preference is the audience that these artists are playing to. It's not the only audience that deeply loves the series, but it's the only one whose preferences seem considered. And unless I turn to shoujo, which isn't my thing, I am bound to keep shouting into a void.
bruh, that subtle altetered Fly in the Freedom (SA2:Battle Rouge's Theme) in the background is a fucking nice touch, hinting to Sonic Fans being Coomers
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Sure. Too much fan service steers me away from most shows.
weird in your Marvel section you didn't bring up Spider-man: No way home and spider verse because movie had a lot of fan service
What Does play to counteract The Booze Eyes White Dragon?
When it comes to Fanservice, the more cakey kind has two sides to it. The people who find older characters to be attractive or in the reverse. What do you or anyone else in this pinned comment think about a underage age person crushing on an older age character?
@@Strykerx31 the Card "Fuck You Crow"
Fan service is like salt. If it’s used with reason, it’ll make something better. But when it’s the only thing you get, it immediately ruins your appetite
Wtf you talkin about I love salt, sometimes I'll just eat straight salt
Oh sh!t, I thought you were talking about writing salt, as in critics (or "fix-it") on bad writing or characters.
I indulge in both anyway.
@@anonymousalien7417 Bro that's gonna f*ck you up
to be fair, I am quite a fan of salt, and add more salt to my food than most...
and yet when I'm the cook and put the amount of salt I want in, everyone loves it...
Perfect metaphor
Fan service can be good when timed just right and is used moderately but if it’s placed when the plot starts getting engaging then it can often bring down the momentum.
Can assume this is a jab at Fire Force lmao
That stuff was so awkwardly timed
@@veridan2582 I think this also could some anime like HOTD.
this is something that Mieruko-chan suffers from, it is such a good horror slice of life anime that falls into we need to show boobs to keep the interest in the series. if they were to take out the fan service it would make the series better as you can focus in how well it handles every other aspect of the series.
Ironic part with Yugioh is that the card game is meant for kids. At the age +13 and up (official in the konami site). So Tori fits the age range for the kids even if its creepy.
So we can argue morals here depending on age.
The slowing of momentum could also theoretically be used to shock yourself back to reality of the world you are viewing being a terrifying and horrible place
One of the main issues being that they don't use fan service sparingly anymore (especially in the MCU).
Endgame ended a nearly eleven year storyline. Their flagship characters just left. People have grown tired of the mcu. So in order to make fans watch a show or movie they place fanservice in it.
This is mearly a possible explanation for the increased amount of fanservice in the mcu
I hardly watch the new MCU movies anymore. Partially because I think I’m becoming tired of them reusing the same structure for almost every solo film for a new hero. Another is because most of the characters I liked are gone due to Endgame. I just don’t have as much motivation to keep up with the MCU.
Can you blame them? It sells.
Just look at No way home, a Spidey film that used Fanservice in its best and most effective way.
@@javelinmaster2 I'd say No Way Home was Marvel's best use of fanservice because it added a lot to the film in terms of story. Shame it wasn't the case elsewhere in the MCU.
We all agree that the MCU should have ended after endgame
Fan service regarding age in anime is always a weird area. You can have teenagers with the bodies of adult models and you can have adults who look like 12 year olds.
JoJo
Enough said
@@Ramsey276one Ah yes.
People do sometimes forget about Jotaro's age. (And somehow not make a big deal around it compared to other characters in anime like MHA)
@@ardantop132na6 he's an adult
@@guynamedrick4419 If we're talking about Part 3, 17 yo can be argued if you're using Japan's age of consent.
@@ardantop132na6 Josuke and Giorno are also both younger than Jotaro and don't at all look their age. Josuke going to school at least is a good reminder of it, but Giorno I always forget he's so young.
An example of Sentai fanservice, (besides the fan service) I remember them bringing back Gai for a gag where a bunch of villainesses and female characters fell in love with him.
Then Gokaiger which is the season of fanservice, bringing back returning actors. Which was used as a celebration for Sentai as a whole, and to make kids happy after suffering through earthquakes.
Heisei Generation Forever, most fond moment in the movie was when Takeru Satoh returns in the role of Ryotaro.
Gai? When? The only time I remember any live with monster and human in gokaiger involved car ranger red
Or with Beyond Generations when we have Hiroshi Fujioka's son play the younger version of his father's character. At the same time, No Way Home had the return of Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield. These are good examples of fanservice as well.
Fanservice isn't just highlighting boobs and butts of women, most people need to know this
I feel a good type of Fanservice comes from Kirby games. The games are often PACKED with fanservice, though they almost never impact the game themselves. Often they're callbacks or returning characters, and they're always implemented well into the game (Kabula in Robobot, Pon and Con in Star Allies, Dual Needle from 64 returning as Clutter Needle, etc.).
Yugioh is actually really annoying in fanservice. Not in the upskirt shots but the obsessive references to DM. We can't go a week without a new piece of Dark Magician, Blue-Eyes or Red-Eyes support being announced. They have since moved on to give us more cards from other eras of Yugioh but those 3 decks still more attention many other niche strategies. Shout outs to Payne 96 who has been waiting 1400+ days for new Volcanic Support.
And yet somehow Red-Eyes continues to suck complete ass- Why? CUZ ITS BOSS MONSTERS CAN'T BE BROUGHT BACK WITH ITS OWN FUCKING REVIVAL TRAP! They either A. Don't contain "Red-Eyes" in the name or B. "Cannot be Special Sunmoned except by X"
I really hate how much attention DM gets from both the fanbase and from Konami themselves. It gets a treatment that most other series don't get, and it takes away the spotlight from other series.
Yugi always appears front and center, loads of monsters inspired by Dark Magician and the "Eyes Dragons", nonstop DM support like how Weevil, Espa Roba, and Mako are getting more support than Axel, DM is the one that gets the most merch and stuff made for it, all three movies have involved DM, basically every well known Yugioh meme comes from DM, Mako replaced Nasch on the cover of a set in the west, Rush Duels give way more acknowledgement to DM than other series who usually just get a nod or card inspired by them at best, and of course the nonstop support for Dark Magician and Blue Eyes.
And somehow that isn't even all of my examples. Yugioh gives Pokemon a run for it's money when it comes to showing off the first generation.
Most of this you can blame DM fan base and most of the older player base who hasn't cared about YGO since GX or 5Ds.
Konami will never stop pandering to DM fans.
@@-emerald-1553 I personally don't think Yugioh takes away from the other series. I can understand the frustration but Yugioh pandering to DM ain't the same as Pokemon since that's leagues worse.
Gen 7 of pokemon literally had all regional variants of gen 1 pokemon. Like I said, I understand where ur coming from but personally, I don't think Yugioh is that bad. Obviously it is but to a lesser extent
Don't forget the annoying effects DM archetype support gets too when it comes to new support, where they give the card it's main effects and then just give it a powerful extra effect for no reason other than because DM, like opponent can only summon 1 monster at a time, opponent can't activate anything when this card attacks, just banish any opponents card for summoning Dark Magician etc etc...
There's a time and a place for fan service (both kinds). It's about how you use it, and it's always in moderation.
Sounds like alcohol. Used properly can make the party better, sometimes even more glamorous. But when there's too much party can turn into disgusting mess
Since I'm assuming the girl in the thumbnail is from Yu Gi Oh, I have an interesting bit of trivia about the game. Players being unhygienic became such an issue, the official rule book now requires players to bath and wear clean clothes before playing, or else they'll be penalized for being stinky. Let that sink in...
Wait, what? The fuck?
That's disgusting
Great news!
The editor's rage towards Yugioh clips definitely caught me off guard. Definitely wasn't expecting such a spicy rant there
You need to service your fans every now and again, but never at the expense of the plot and story.
"Metal Gear Solid 4" is the perfect example of that, as that game focuses on answering questions that were never meant to be answered after "Metal Gear Solid 2" and on excessive fan service at the cost of story and characters.
@@William5000000
Oh, you mean a perfect example of what not to do. Alright.
I’ve heard that the Yakuza series is really good at doing this correctly though. I’ve also heard that some entries have pacing issues but that’s true of every game franchise.
I was surprised No Way Home wasn't mentioned, in my opinion its fanservice done right
A movie where almost everything is fanservice and yet it takes time to evolve their characters and have emotional moments.
The problem with No Way Home isn't fanservice, it's the plot
@@dislikebomb6680 Something being the plot does not stop it from being fanservice at the same time.
@@RegalPixelKing I tend to think of plot and fanservice as two separate things. Fanservice is a "reward" for viewers that occurs in a plot, whereas the plot is the overarching story
@@dislikebomb6680 In some cases that is the case, but in other cases fanservice and the story are so interconnected that they are the same thing. No Way Home is a perfect example. Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire, as well as the villains from their respective movies showing up was 100% fanservice, and the plot could not have worked without that fanservice. Something being plot relevant does won't stop something from also being fan service.
that part with the editor rage really got me. you're a master of both comedy & knowledge on video games, and shows. my hat's off to you @MangaKamen, bravo. 👏😊
That part was entirely improvised by me. Don't be givin away my credit bruh.
@@KaiserTrigger well done dude, your edits bring some great moments to the video!
@@KaiserTrigger the editor's freedom.
MangaKamen: I'm in charge of this video
KaiserTrigger: No *Im in charge of this video*
@@revolvingworld2676 KaiserTrigger: *I'm the captain now.*
Kirby star allies is the perfect example of proper fan service. Have the characters still be themselves, then also have them play the role they were always supposed to have. (i'm not just talking about the dream friends, I'm talking about pon and con, too)
I think that the fanservice saved that game, Star Allies wasn't very popular but then everyone started to have fun playing their favorite characters and we got an extra mod where every character could shine.
@@diegocaceres3475 oh most definitely. Without the promise of guest star allies go, I don't think I would have beaten that game
I love the fanservice in Star Allies. It's my favourite part about the game and honestly why I like the game more than I think I should. Sure a lot about the game leaves me disappointed as a Kirby fan but they brought back my boy Gooey so now I'm legally obligated to give it a pass.
Love that game so much
Kirby has been a fanservice machine since the second game, to the point where it's just part of the series. So that helps.
To use a cooking analogy, Fan service is like a strong spice, not every show needs it, a little at the right time or in the right way can enhance a show, and some shows are built completely around it. Some people will avoid it and some people can't get enough of it
Everyone: I hate fan service!
Also everyone: Why didn’t the creators listen to us?!
This is a joke please don’t take it seriously
I think it's primarily gen z & millinials from the west with a certain "Tumblr/political correctness" mindset (I noticed a lot of girl "artists" especially have this mindset), and those in Japan with a west influenced mindset, that view it this way.
Those who truly understand the culture, goal, money, etc, will usually appreciate the anime/manga more.
@@zionthedragon8866 Yes, thanks to the modern prudes, everything coming out these days is terrible.
@@blazingfuryoffire1 They will get a lot of hate from future generations because of destroying the art
I think it would have been more accurate to call Multiverse of Madness and She-Hulk and a lot of stuff lately that twist the fan service and kill or disrespect the characters as "Fan Disservice"
The sad part about Yu-Gi-Oh fanservice is that they actually did it right in GX. I mean, GX had just cameos, didn't use them to sell the show and then gave the show a big fanservice final episode. I mean come on, Yugi vs. Jaden (Yes I use the dub names COME AT ME) is pure fanservice don't deny it.
Not really
Compare to the other Yugioh spain offs GX was the most connected to DM since a lot of DM characters have showed up in the show including Yugi in the first episode
But they definitely could have done it in a different way, like make Jaden duel grown up Yugi instead of making him go back in time to do it
What about the whole episode dedicated to Jaden out right having a duel with Dark Magician Girl? She had an entire Dark Magician Girl themed deck and everything
Me and the Booze Eyed White Dragon are still there. We still have your hooch bud.
Don't make us show you non stop clips of dub Crow
I've actually started watching Yugioh Zexel. The first thought I had on seeing Kotori was "My belt is longer than that skirt.". Things only got worse when they introduce the cat girl who licks her lips at Yuma (the MC/audience surrogate).
Sheesh, almost 900 pieces of “artwork” for Kotori alone.
Please, the real fanservice from ZeXal is Droite no ifs, ands, or buts.
Zexal is good, except of being a retelling of DM. What I liked was the Numbers hunting, and then... throw it away and collecting NEITHER ALL OF THEM just the half for the LORE.
MC with a dense characterization, a spirit who guide him on being good and the rivals that becomes friends, and you can't say to me that...SPOILER [and that the love interest doesn't even have that lot of screen time... not even is important in the plot. Literally here the BROMANCE is stronger than girls]
FINAL EPISODE is literally Yugi Vs Atem.
@@HenshinFanatic I think we're forgetting about a certain Arclight... :p
@@gyppygirl2021 who IV? Please, V is better manservice than him and this series also has Gauche.
Fairy Tail is the peak of what is wrong with arbitrarily adding in fan service.
"Hey this character was just resurrected after a very sad mourning period, what should we do with her?"
"Let's detrack from a pivotal tournament arc and have a bikini scene in the arena with her in it!"
Years later: "Hey let's bring back the worst kind of Team Rocket rip offs and have the girls dance in tight clothes."
"Oh let's have character's be tortured but focus on their chest and crotch areas for way too long."
Series where they try to act all edgey then have a really really bad fan service joke in there may make me peeved for a moment but Fairy Tail has had such a weird fetish with it going on. Like they think their audience can't handle 5 seconds of action with out chesticles bouncing everywhere in between.
In their defense, Fairy Tail is not exactly a serious plot driven story.
Fairy Tail is more of a comedy action Manga that doesn't take itself seriously like most typical shonen animes so they are allowed to play with their fanservice.
Also, the fanservice just doesn't apply to the girls but it also applies to the men so it is basically fair game for everyone involved.
And another thing, the girls in FT are not reluctant fanservice girls, apart from Lucy, the female characters really don't care. They do not feel shame in showing off their bodies to another and they just doing it because they want to not because the plot demands them to.
I might get a lot of hate for this but that's how I see it. Do what you will with the information
Never watched it but I have heard this a lot about the show.
@@siphemanana2551 the show doesn’t take itself seriously, so objectifying female characters while peeping at them is fine 🤪
@@viki7268 you really didn't read my comment did you?
@@siphemanana2551 in my opinion
the problem is that it expects to not be taken seriously in the wrong way, it doesn't present itself as a genuinely funny comedy as in the world and scenarios are wacky and weird but nonetheless make sense within the world they exist in
Example: Monkey D. Luffy needing to eat copious amounts of meat to ensure his rubber body remains stretchy, rather than something that exists within a vacuum that the reader is meant to point and laugh at because the author demands it
but instead uses the "it's comedy, it's not meant to be taken seriously" excuse, which can whittle it down to a show for toddlers, due to a lack of coherency
Example:Almost all females in Fairy Tail have the same body type(big boobs and slim figures), this raises a question as to why the men are so pervy or horny, because you can see a woman almost as sexy as Lucy or Erza walking down the street any other day. This denotes the joke of men being pervy to just being straight up spineless cucks who hyperventilate at even their own female cousin.
An arguably better joke would be the men thirsting over flat or overweight women whenever the objectively beautiful women(Cana, Erza, Mira etc) are suddenly undressed or exposed,this is giving the fans "service" without it not destroying the value of the story
An interesting way Yu-Gi-Oh did fanservice as in service to the fans was in the one of the storylines that are told through the cards (to give an explanation, most archetypes in Yu-Gi-Oh have their own lores, most of the time self-contained to them and a few other archetypes, however there are also some bigger storylines that have a big number of archetypes be apart of them, like for example the Abyss storyline which sees the archetypes of Dogmatika, Tri-Brigade, Sprigans, Despia, Swordsoul, Icejade, Therions, Spright, and Bystial interact togethers in a storyline that mostly revolves arounds the Fallen of Albaz).
The Duel Terminal Storyline is the longest running storyline the game has had, starting in the 5D'S era of the game, and ending in the Arc-V era (technically they're still released cards for the archetypes to this day, but they're also not new additions to the story and more like ways to fill-in for some unclear events while supporting said old decks). One of the archetypes released in the latest season of Duel Terminal is called Qliphort.
At the end of the World Legacy storyline (a storyline that started in the Vrains era of the game), one of the final cards is Avida, Rebuilder of Worlds, who is a god that recreates that planet the characters lived on after it got massively fucked up. Now one of the interesting part of Avida's design is that it has cores very similar to the one present on the Qliphorts, which would connect the Duel Terminal and World Legacy storyline by implying the Qliphorts used to be part of Avida.
2K YuGiOh lore is something else
Seriously, the end of Dogmatika has a character wearing gear from most of the archetypes at the end,
Fallen of Argyros
XD
I would pay to see Duel Terminal get animated.
we need an abyss lore manga/anime, would enjoy the shit out of that.
Senran Kagura got done so dirty in terms of fanservice with each game passing. Like yeah it has some horny moments, but that was at least in the case of you going into the series knowing what to expect. I liked how each girl actually had depth to their characters and the way they interacted with one another was entertaining and had me eager to see more. Sadly after Estival Verses it started to focus more on the fanservice side of things and now every girl is just a one note joke.
SK from what I’ve read has some pretty interesting lore when it comes to the setting and it’s characters. It just sucks that they never really expand upon it. Like I’m generally curious about the relationship between Asuka’s grandparents, or the history behind the yoma demons.
The anime REALLY confused me
XD
Then you have Ikkitousen which is mostly fanservice and has alot of depth and story.
But the story went out of pocket and the lore is now more confusing than a Kingdom Hearts plot.
What do you mean "after?" They started loosening the plot since Shinovi Versus. Least we got Deep Crimson afterwards. It's a tragedy what happened to this series.
@@MrRAGE-md5rj I’m sorry but the plot of SK was bare bones, nonsensical, basic and nothing spectacular it was the same stuff you’d see anywhere else in any other anime and most of the time they really tried way to hard being over dramatic in some instances you already know no one is going to die so why even have those conversations about it and that’s another thing the VN take way to long to get to the point then finally gameplay comes but it’s only 5 mins while I’m reading for like 20 last I checked this was a game not a VN.
The characters are cool and all but it came off more as a character driven series than a story one and to be honest fans should stop being disingenuous pretending that it’s something deep when it really isn’t it’s surface level and makes the characters slightly interesting at best I can get sad backstories, generic monsters in any other game and series.
The series was always silly even in the beginning the demon monsters have booba for crying out loud I’m guessing it’s because their female but still even their a tad bit silly despite looking completely out of place for something like SK but despite what I think I am open to hearing others opinions on it.
If anything, Kaiba's Ex could be more accurately seen as the "Maiden with Eyes of Blue" card
You mean Priest Seto’s first crush?
XD
I'm definitely not still writing fan-fiction about Kaiba's blue-eyed, white-haired, secretary.
I can understand why the legacy characters in Arc-V needed to be alternate versions to fit the narrative, their main issue was the way they handled the GX and Zexal cast because it took way too long for them to be introduced while the show was already rushing to its ending. Also Arc-V was already introducing way too many new characters in an already bloated cast which is why the tournament arc in the Synchro Dimension took forever.
I can agree with this. By itself, fanservice isn’t bad. It’s just how and how often it’s used that makes it good or bad.
Then you might as well watch the ones that don't have fanservice whatsoever. This whole "it's good but only at certain times" is not worth appealing to.
Fan service of the latter variety hits different in different anime for me. Sometimes it supplements the wonderful story, character development, or action scenes (e.g. my fav series Kill la Kill). Sometimes it's just the main focus of a stupid/sophomoric show (e.g. Keijo!!!!! or Senran Kagura). Finally, it can be laughed away as pure satire (Shimoneta). Interestingly enough, I enjoy all three usages depending on the circumstances.
Something I always found interesting about the fanservice in Keijo is just how seriously they treat it. The fact that they have training montages for their butts, have special named techniques for various ways of hitting with their boobs and butts, and the fights are treated like a Dragon Ball Z battle. it's so silly it somehow loops back to being endearing.
And it was also interesting just how many puns they managed to put into the special names.
@@cybertramon0012A lot of shows have fan-service and take themselves far to seriously. Although in Keijo it is obviously not ment to be taken seriously. It is so over the top and ridiculous that its funny.
kill la kill: good body, stupid super clothes
A good example of fan service from Attack On Titan is the barricades scene. It's a direct reference to season 1 while also being It's own thing
She Hulk isn’t fan service is a bunch of woman who have 0 experience in superhero and court room dramas writing a show that’s about both and had those characters for well click bait. Dr Strange, I’ll give u that
Gundam Build series. Cameos, references and injokes to the franchise. Yet the stories never suffered from the fan service. Plus build fighters had Ramba Ral as a main supporting Character.
When it comes to "sexy' fanservice, I don't mind it. It only really bothers me if it's placed in like a serious scene which kills the mood entirely. Other than that, "sexy" fanservice is pretty cool in my eyes, as someone who unironically has anime Highschool of the Dead, DxD, and Keijo as some of their all time favs. Then again, 30% of my personality is being down bad for anyone or anything so I might be biased in that regard.
"Easter" fanservice is something I'm more mixed on. On one hand, having something being brought back or referenced in a franchise can feel great, especially if the people behind them are fans of it too. On the other hand, relying on too much on Easter Eggs or tickling the fans nostalgia boner can greatly harm the quality of certain media. It's why SW and Sonic fans are sick and tired of constant references to their pasts in every new entry.
I like sexy fanservice when used appropriately. Either build the scene or show about it. DxD is a good example of a show being built to be fanservicy. Even using Issei's skills of tearing down clothes strategically, and sometime subert it when an exhibitionist shows up.
For Easter eggs. I remember when the MCU started. We had Hulk being targeted by Stark's missiles. Capttain meeting Starks father, etc. It was used Sparringly, but never took over the whole movie. Leading to the first Avengers to feel like a natural conclusion of it. A good Marvel(?) movie that handled Easter Eg fanservice was into the Spiderverse, since it involved the concept of uniqueness.
Again, sexy fan service in a serious scene doesn't innately ruin it, but execution does.
@@zionthedragon8866 I guess it really depends on the tone of the series in general. Like, I don't think the bikini scene in Star Trek Into Darkness fits that movie's tone in anyway. Alice Eve does look pretty good in it, I'll admit.
@@kingbash6466 that's different from a "serious/tension" scene being ruined. That's more like inconsistent and out of left field. And that I would say is dumb.
I definitely agree with this. My issue with easter fanservice is also about how it holds back the stories. As great as it is to see old characters pop up in Star Wars, it gets to the point where either the galaxy is a really small place, or the characters are living black holes that force the story to orbit them. As much as I enjoyed Book of Boba Fett when it started, the fanservice wore it down by having half the season be about the Mandalorian, bringing back Cobb and setting it in Tatooine again, despite other planets being available. And it also ruins the tension as well. As soon as Cobb was shot, I could just tell that he wasn't going to stay dead, because people liked him too much. Mando and Boba weren't in danger, because they were there specifically for the fanservice. And so you've got this huge group of people who the story won't kill, and so the bad guys and killer robots look really incompetent.
Of course, I don't like it when they bring back a fan favourite just to kill off, as they are doing. So maybe what they should do is have these characters show up just long enough to show that its all connected. Or even just be mentioned, to establish that.
I don’t entirely dislike fanservice, but it’s only at certain times in anime when I just ask “why?”
Almost every instance of which I can remember absolutely stops the moment so we can see some 🍒 for a second or two. I especially despise it in Fire Force, which I recently stopped watching because it got annoying.
Trust me I’d enjoy this stuff as much as the next guy but sometimes I just want a cool story and action instead of having that abruptly interrupted so that one fan can get a bonified high.
I thought I hated fanservice, it turns out I hate the anime's female style of clothing
If you don't like the fanservice in Fire Force when why watch it in the first place??? This whole "I like it but at certain times" is almost meaningless as it feels like it has to fit you standards. Why no just watch Anime with zero fanservice like Kiznaiver or ERASED which are both good?
@@luiscoa9991 but the male style of clothing is absolutely fine? What's with this double standard dude?
That last kind of fan service also makes me really embarrassed when I'm watching a anime and someone walks in the room
I see it like this: A character has no actual agency in their story. If a character is putting themselves in fanservice-y predicaments, that's a part of their character (or it's important to the plot/themes like Kill la Kill). If the author/director/camera is doing it, then it reveals the hand of the author and can break immersion. That's why I like when Bayonetta and Mai Valentine do it but hate it when it's happening to most of the female characters in Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Bayonetta and Mai are active participants. Xenoblade feels like I'm forced to watch a pervert trying to shove their camera up someone's skirt.
Edit: I should add that I am female myself, so that might color my perception a bit to the more common forms of the male gaze.
I will say, it's strange that irl a lot of attractive girls will want this sort of camera thing you call "pervert" yet is not considered as much because they actively engage in it even when unaware but would fully support it. But girls who wear ridiculous clothing with really short skirts that it barely hides their panties and very lewd outfits when a camera shot gets an angle that brings out their lewdness of these FICTIONAL characters, then there is a problem and the artist or camera person is a "pervert?" I don't follow the logic. It's one thing if they suddenly act out of character and want to be lewd, or the world bends logic to make them look lewd, but idk about camera angles being a example of a true "pervert"
As for that last term, I feel that's a bit sexist and disingenuous to bi/homosexual people and comes off to me as a bit anti-homo, possibly anit-[male]hetero, and ignores the "female" gaze?
Why emphasize the fact it's male? What's wrong with men staring and not females who also stare?
I get a lot of gaijin, especially in western & northern European, as well as USA, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand (to name a few) have this bizarre and seemingly hypocritical mindset, but it seems double standards and more malicious than the poorly executed fan service spoken about here to me as of current.
Yeah, some fo of sexual fan service needs to be toned down, but camera angles for characters wearing lewd/skin tight/revealing/ridiculous clothing that has a realistic chance of someone seeing that lewd bit seems like a bad example you have imo, and shouldn't matter which sex sees it.
Either everyone sees it (with the only caviot being if you are of the right age imo), or NO one sees it imo. Implying men shouldn't watch is what I consider a gross form of gate-keeping I will not support.
To go along with that, Juliet Starling in Lollipop Chainsaw. She's sexualized a bunch in that game, but just like Bayonetta, it's part of her character, and it doesn't feel forced, gross, or overall weird. It feels natural because that's part of their basic character traits
Smooth, solid take. o: When characters like Bayonetta choose to be revealing, you can see how well they handle it, as opposed to an outside God being obsessively sexual about their own playthings, even when they're decently dressed. There's consent and choice to Bayonetta being revealing, but I'm sure any girl would feel uncomfortable to know that God was broadcasting reality and they gave their* favorite girl's curves 12% of the screen time lol
Of course, someone can come along and say this is all overthought, but people have complex minds. Even if one isn't willing to justify a position like mine, it is still valid for being rooted in social things like consent, perspective and empathy towards drawings~
@@snowarmth Precisely! If it's part of a character's personality then it's excusable but when it's done for no reason then it undercuts the character because you're dehumanising them at a fundamental level (Which is why I think we need to add extra criteria to creative commons and public domain.) and this isn't just limited to anime, it can also happen with actors, musicians and, in the worst of cases, just random people.
For me, typically ‘anime fan-service’ is an immediate red flag for “don’t watch this,you’re gonna hate it”
"It's badly written and it prioritizes entertaining the audience over telling a story or sending a message, but it feels.. really good to watch ;)"
@The Eclipse I don’t have a problem with it existing,just I specifically don’t have any interest in it; I couldn’t care less if someone else has an interest in it.
I think a good example of fanservice, or at least a better one, is Kirby.
Kirby does a lot of fanservice, from referencing or remaking fights against old bosses, reintroducing old copy abilities, and then there was Star Allies.
Fanservice today, fanservice tomorrow, and fanservice forever!
Please remember that each country/region has their own type of fan service
Just remember that line from the South Park movie!
How about serving the fans oh ya know, quality storytelling, character arcs, pathos, homage not references, earnest, meaningful and relatable tales that both nourish and challange its viewers/fans. Ya know... art?!
Key word: nuance. When that’s forgotten you can always expect tonal whiplash.
2:03 Wong' was all over Phase 4, seriously. Though wasn't expecting the Shang-Chi bit to come back in She-Hulk, that actually threw me for a loop.
As a yugioh fan, this really hurts.
My take is that the "cheesecake" style of fanservice certainly has its place, and that's in light-hearted downtime. If you want to throw in a "beach episode" or "hotspring scene" or even just have bouncing tits/pecs in a relaxed 'at home" scene that is fine, but shoving it in your face when the story/plot should be the thing that is supposed to be center stage is bad. You can even get away with characters that have a character "quirk" of being "well endowed" in one way or another and them showing that off on a regular basis in their wardrobe choices, but you should only be really emphasizing that character's "assets" in down time, you shouldn't be putting in close ups of your characters' tight ass or glistening pecks in the middle of a climactic fight scene
I like fan service when it's a reward for a payoff, like the Captain America service, or when anime only do it for certain scenarios like when the characters go to the beach.
The thing with fanservice (the non-sexual kind) is you have to go all the way with it and understand what specifically fans want to see. It can be easy to screw up.
As for the sexual stuff, I generally never like seeing this, but I can tolerate it if it at least feels naturally woven into the plot, but a lot of times though it just feels weird and forced. It also usually kills the pacing and at worst even makes characters feel very out of character.
Controversial example, when most of the trailers for The Last of Us 2 predominantly featured Ellie and Joel. Yet another character is more extensively featured than Joel was
I dont think theres really anything bad about fanservice, its fun.
Fan service, where it can used accordingly and in moderation, is fine to me. I don't tend to have an issue with it in general. It does distract in moments where it doesn't make sense to pop up.
Regarding underage characters, it's definitely one thing to find it weird. I know I do at times. However, I don't agree with it being a red-flag situation, mainly in terms of discerning fiction from reality. People on Twitter, for example, often sling the p-word around, watering down and twisting its meaning, and simply using it wrong. If the situation's not actionable, it's a waste of time and resources. Idk why so many get hung up on stupid things like this.
Otherwise, fan service is not too bad, so long as it's used properly, and it fits the series.
That HSOTD scene at the beginning reminded me it existed, and then I got sad because it will never be finished because the creator died.
One fan service example I liked from Cardfight Vanguard recently was a lot more subtle. In the last season, it was a tournament arc and during a role call of all the participants, they played an instrumental version of Vanguard's first ever opening. It was so abript with no hint in advance so i immediately jumped from my spot on the couch. No returning characters or anything like that, just some music. Something like that is what I enjoy because it's subtle enough where it's not trying to use fan service as a crutch but rather an Easter egg to fans who've been with the series for a long time.
Bro Prison School is the greatest fanservice anime of all time.
Konami borderline despises their leading ladies. All of them were done dirty up until Sevens.
I do like fanservice. I don't feel it detract from the history or denigrate the character as people says. This "war" on it feels more like a way to censor artists and make them abide to a standard they may not like. They ignore what the artist likes even though 70% of them in Japan are female, which some stated they do like their females characters in those ways.
It’s because the people who complain are people usually NOT born in Japan. In America; for example, they took great offense that dragon ball showed goku/gohan’s willy and how violent it was.
The same people that marketed sexy female characters in their comic books are offended that Japan does it too. I mean hell even their cartoons are no different in terms of it.
@@DarkEclipse23 agreed, I don’t watch much TV anymore at all but meh, here in the west we kinda do the same thing anyways with sexual fanservice from weird sex jokes, flashy characters, and shows about nothing but sex, except maybe unlike Echi, we show a bit more of the sex for at least a second more. Also sometimes we tend to treat it as a good thing (for example GOT and Eurotha), vs how we treat anime fan service. Here in America we are guilty af for similar or the same things we criticize anime for, even down to the age problem of characters being sexualized despite the character not being over 18 tho in the case of us in America we instead tend to have adult actors playing as teenagers in live action shows doing sexual stuff.
I like it when editors come out of their editor dungeon and put something of their own in the video
Anime/Manga is so overstaturised with "Fanservice" that I don't like it and have to actively ignore it to enjoy the Anime/Manga. I also normalized it so much that I get confused when it doesn't happen. For example, I read this one manhwa "Survival story of a sword king in a fantasy world", really enjoy it and the Mc gets this feminine looking wizard partner, coming from a strict dragon hunting knight family and I think he's going to be revealed to be a girl and they're going to hock up even though there are no signs to that and it turns out he's a dragon a male dragon, not a girl, and I was so surprised that it happened and I realized that I seen Fanservice so much that I expected it everywhere.
Anime Fanservice: sexualization of characters
JoJo Fanservice: *posing menacingly*
Basically what Toriyama did in the Buu where they hype the children and Gohan where Goku and Vegeta steal the spotlight... by having Buu kill the sons alongside the planet as they just fight him again next episode
rest in peace mangakamen’s editor may you forever be remembered in our hearts
I think one of my favorite uses of fanservice is the citadel dlc for mass effect. It was a dlc all about the characters, the memes, and it still has slow emotional moments. It seemed like a genuine love letter to the community.
New Star Wars battlefront ii also had great fanservice. “Hello there” or “roger roger” can be said by a lot of characters. It also added the arc trooper and the clone commando, two of the most loved clone variants in Star Wars.
Honestly the way i see it, the less i have to look at something and “get” a reference the happier i’ll be. Homages can only go so far
As long the fanservice isn’t ruining moments where I’m supposed to give a shit like with a serious or tense moment or when it isn’t the whole personality and purpose of a character, then bring on the anime tiddies anytime. One can question the necessity (distracting from the plot) of it if they want but to me, it gives the story a more personal feel and along with other things makes it feel alive, I’m not here to read/watch a creator’s checklist of plot points, it’s ok for things not tied to plot progression to happen.
I'm a fan I want service.
I personally don't mind as long as the show is honest about it or does something funny or clever with it, take Gintama for example, it uses almost no fan service but when it happens it's so over the top or it leads to a joke.
Gintama is filled with so much male fanservice it's almost as a yaoi. Still no as bara as Golden Kamuy though
@@tintor2 maybe it's because I'm not into yaoi but I never really noticed it, except when they lean into it as a joke (the last movie has a blatant fujo scene though), the female audience is definitely there but it's also hilarious knowing they love the dumb shit that happens on the show or at least I hope so lol
I have absolutely no problem with fanservice of any kind. The only thing it needs to be is being fun. That's it. Even better if they own it and don't excuse it. Like Atsushi Okubo with Fire Force, he said "you don't like my fanservice? Good, leave. I'll even use one of my characters as a mouthpiece to drive the point". Absolutely based.
To me, service to the fans doesn't really matter to me, unless it's not entertaining. And given that I have low standards for entertainment (I like all the Marvel movies, warts and all), that very rarely ever happens. As for fanservice, well, I think that everyone are skeletons in meatsuits; I don't let it get to me, because they're free to do whatever they want with their bodies, so long as they don't unjustifiably criticise my choices. And since they can only influence the world through fans...
That said, child fanservice... Well, if I were to see somebody underage being aggressive to anyone, I will pull them away with the least force necessary, and politely ask them to rethink their lives. If they're not, I'll just not bring it up until they do.
As a perhaps too dedicated fan of Arc-V, I'm continually disappointed by how they handled the legacy characters in that show. Example: They already had an edgy guy who fights for revenge and for his younger sibling as an original character in the show. Then they brought in Kite from Zexal, and... he has the exact same personality and backstory as this already existing original Arc-V character, except because of how late he appears, his character arc is minuscule and he feels absolutely nothing like the Kite Tenjo that we've come to know and love.
This hit especially hard as I just finished watching Zexal, and Kite was a fantastic character in that show...
(And yes, I use dub YGO names. Bite me.)
The dumbest thing about kotori for me is that she has had more character development in her intro in Duel Links then in the 150ish ep anime. That shit is still stuck with me from the release of zexal in DL all the way to this day.
Fan service will be the death of the medium. Mark my words.
Alexis Rhoades the apple of my pre-teen eye, you are fan service done right, I’ll give you two big reasons….
At least Smash bros actually put genuine effort into all it’s theirs party characters and made them work.
It's funny that Toei handles the Super Sentai and Kamen Rider series, knowing how to handle fan service ... being the same company that handles many anime with too much fan service.
Noted. From this moment on I'll call you "Kamen Rider DRAGON KNIGHT Mango" or Mango for short.
I'm all for the Booze-Eyed White Dragon in all honestly
I personally don't mind it as long its not over used.
Fanservice in both senses can act as an enhancement to something that someone enjoys, hence the "fan" in its name, but if it's thrown into something lazy and unenjoyable it won't salvage a product.
Especially when it comes to ecchi anime, from my standard I can enjoy some ecchi but the good ones are ones where you actually like the writing and would watch it regardless of ecchi content. I don't think it's necessarily something that wastes time if it gets implemented into a series, in a manner where it's aimed at being a part of the series. By which I mean, if the series is well constructed it will feel like it's fairly natural - usually, due to the nature of ecchi, it's that they make comedic scenarios that do double duty or sometimes it's given a grim setting and the sexual scenes are meant to drive the depravity in the tone.
For referencing of prior work it's the same. Sometimes it actually enhances the product, oftentimes it's just "recognize this and clap."
Would’ve loved to see your take of service to the fans when it comes to Pokémon, specially when previous gen characters appear in newer ones such as Cynthia being in BW, Red and Blue appearing in Gen 7 (both the Alola games and Lets Go), and Jasmine being in DPP/BDSP. Imo sometimes it works if they have a significant role and other times it feels they’re just there to be there
For the one in regards to "baiting fans/callbacks to other entries", I think it can work if the people doing the fanservice also show they actually care about the proeprties they are calling back to. Like it is clear bait to want to get people watching, but if executed well, it may cause people to stick around or want to explore the new setting you basically used a ratings trap in order to see what is up with it. I do agree when it's used for manipulation, it just sours my taste in the medium, but if done well, I'll bite.
As for the one with the cake, if the show is meant to be for fanservice, even if it has weak writting, it better be worth the watch. Like funnily enough that the thumbnail in the transition had Galko on it, because a gripe I had with an anime that also had a Gyaru protagonist that came not too long after the Galko anime ended was that even though she was cute, I just wasn't experiencing the same emotional investment. The girls were cute and all, but like...they didn't seem to grab me the same way Galko and her friends and classmates did - showing they had more going on than what the surface showed. Heck, maybe Fire Force has a bad habit with how it handles fan service, but I never did mind it, and in a way, if you know the reason why the main guy "smiles", it's basically showing that the situation is just a misunderstanding used for comedic effect. Maybe I'm the wrong guy to talk about it, but I do like cake...especially cheescake, so I won't complain if I find it inside of my box of Shonen O's. (I think the issue is more how badly does the service get in the way of the storytelling - which funnily enough could apply to both types of fan service. If it's not that bad, I just chill with it; if it's like...too distracting, I guess that is when it does become a problem, though I still stand by Tamaki's "Lucky Lecher[?]" Ability not to be a total deal breaker for me, though heard people not giving Fire Force a chance because of her - despite she being a fave.)
Completely random question do feet scenes in quentin tarantino films count as fan service?
thats selfservice
Here's my sense on fanservice. I'm asexual so I am not turned on in anyway when I watch some service moment in any show. I watch for kickass animation and good writing, not to watch a girl's skirt get flipped. And I think it gets annoying when the show or manga drops everything to focus on that moment. If fanservice is going to be in a show I think it at least needs to serve a purpose. Like in Cyberpunk Edgerunners were the fanservice shows how Night City is as Dunkey put it "a place where onlyfans became a bigger company than amazon" or heck even none anime like Game of Thrones (which don't get me wrong still has a lot of unnecessary fanservice) where introducing a character in a brothel can show watch that character is like. At the end of the day a show needs to prioritize the story if you want to add it in. And if you want to watch a show just for fanservice, the internet has much better things to offer.
This is my opinion too. It's fine in places where it genuinely makes sense. But for every example of that, I see three examples where the series bends over backwards to fit it in, or just detracts
For the longest time I used to think fanservice by definition was just tiddies and asses in anime because that was the only context I ever heard it in.
13:36 Basically the appeal and point of the entire modern Isekai fanbase since no one's watching those for story...
With the fanservice portion, while I agree with what you stated about Marvel (especially in She-Hulk, where it teased Daredevil by showing his mask only for him to not show up for multiple episodes), I’m surprised that you didn’t mention DC as well. With their most egregious and recent example of fanservice being with Black Adam. Being that as great as it seeing the Justice Society and characters like Hawkman and Doctor Fate on the silver screen, they film doesn’t really spend any time exploring them and they were obviously only added to pull in diehard comics fans. It’s especially bad how Doctor Fate is just entirely wasted though by severely nerfing him and killing him off, when he’s meant to be one of the strongest characters in the DC universe.
However, the worst example is the post-credits scene with Henry Cavill’s showing back up as Superman, being that it was meant to potentially tease him showing up again in future projects after being absent since Justice League…only for them to then announce months later that they’d be rebooting the whole DC movie universe, and that Henry Cavill would no longer be Superman. I get that they obviously didn’t plan this back when they made this scene, but it does show that whoever planned it in the first place had a severe lack of foresight. And so it just causes it to feel artificial at best and pointless at worst.
So overall, even if I can agree with Marvel not being the best at handling fanservice, their competitors certainly aren’t the best at it either.
One day fan service will be used more often with good intent instead of manipulation. Still then we will enjoy the editor segments 7:57
It will probably get worse instead
Blue eyes whiskey dragon, his alcoholic flames can even bring down the Egyptian gods.😺
To me, the effectiveness of both kinds of fan service depends on how they are used and how much they are used. For the “bringing back a popular/older character/location” category, if this is just used for the sake of getting people to purchase a product and nothing else, then it falls flat. The character/location has to be treated with respect and good material has to be written for or around them in order for it to work. They also shouldn’t shove the character/location into stories that don’t need them just to sideline them or give them shoddy material. For the “sexual” kind of fan service, it’s dependent on how it’s used and whether or not it’s detrimental to the character at the receiving end of it. If used correctly, this can be done to relieve tension, lighten the tone, or establish character traits. There is a limit to this kind of fan service because too much of it shows that the writers can’t think of material and are just appealing to base human instincts to pad out time.
I loved it when Scarlet Witch killed all those Marvel cameos.
The best way to service the fans is to make something good, anything else is extra. Its like a cake, fanservice is sprinkles, icing and decorations, a nice touch if the cake is good but is iinda insulting if the cake is actual shit.
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Fire force was my first encounter with that kind of fan service and I dropped it 4 episodes in since it left a bad taste in my mouth, especially that scene.
I'm gonna need the episode number for that towel scene mentioned.
You know, so I can be morally outraged at it.
I admit i clicked cuz the thumbnail BUT
Not because booba, because i like the character asuka tenjoin a lot and thought you might talk about her
Good video, and I agree with the message.
We need more fanservice.
5:06 I honestly doubt Ryan Reynolds would be on board with Deadpool 3 if they used Wolverine wrong. I'm sure he wants them to have a proper teamup as much as we do. I mean, they managed to keep the R rating and get the movies on Disney+ against all odds (including the fact that Buena Vista and Touchstone are dead and the ill-fated adult Marvel cartoons were put on Hulu)
Fanservice has two flavors, sweet and spicy.
Sweet fanservice is calling back to previous events in a series via either making characters return in a cameo or showing the aftermath of what happened previously.
Spicy fanservice usually involves characters with outfits that clearly aren't made for the characters. Usually involving outfits that way too obviously small for a specific character and show off way too much skin.
I like both flavors of fanservice, but I prefer my spicy fanservice to not involve blatantly sexual sounds that would cause red flags if they could be heard from only a few feat away.
*Fairy Tail "WWWWWAAAAAAAOOOOOOOWWWW" sound intensifies.*
The major fanservice I’m totally fine with is in Neptunia, because it is either the bases for humor or it really just shows how strong each character can be and that they shouldn’t be underestimated and how their attire reflects their personalities oh so well
It's a risk, dedicated to strengthening or growing your audience at the potential cost of artistic integrity.
When done with tact it reinforces what sets your story apart from the other generic but competent stories.
It also helps when it comes across as genuine earnest and passion. If you're just doing it for the fans then it reads as such but if it's something you love and you want to put more of into your work then I think they'll pick up on that.
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Fanservice.
1:20 That's a graphical glitch... right?
14:20 "Booty is more important than wine/water."
*Making editors do Yugioh segments.*
Editor Ab use.
It's from Cyberpunk 2077. The first cybernetic enhancement you get is an eye enhancement that allows you to pretty much ID something and hack from a distance IIRC. So it's part of the aesthetic.
And also, I don't know what you mean by AB use.
@@KaiserTrigger Oh i know what the game is.
What i meant was that the "graphical glitch" looked a bit phallic.
By "Ab use" it was a spelling mistake.
"Abuse" as a joke by the way.
At 8:00 "Editor's Rage" of the YuGiOh segments.
@@brayenmorrison3199 I do have my issues with his Yugioh videos.
@@KaiserTrigger 🤣🤣🤣.
"Blink if he locks you in his basement."
"Forcing you to edit his YuGiOh Videos."
12:30 Damn, Manga Kamen got so angry about absolute degeneracy; his avatar reverted backwards.
Lesson for today; Get extremely angry if you want to stay young.
P.S: Enjoying your work mate. Carry on with your dreams.
Honestly, I'm just straight up not a fan of sexual fan service. In most situations it doesn't bug me enough to dislike a character or the show, but sometimes it gets to the point where it does. I think high levels of fan service can turn off potential audiences. For example, I'm a woman who is attracted to men, but I don't watch the show Free! because the level of fanservice is just not content I find fun to watch. However, it's easy to avoid content that I'm really uninterested in if it's delegated to a certain genre. What really bugs me more than anything else is how pervasive and inseparable sexual fan service is in animes where it is not relevant to the genre and makes no sense. Like battle-heavy animes that have normal outfits for guys and only bikinis for women. Hell, this prevents me from even showing my dad certain action/drama series that he otherwise might like.
For me, when there are a woman or two in the anime who are highly sexualized, whatever. But when there is a clear divide on how the show treats female vs male characters, I might stop watching a show even if I liked where it was going in other aspects. For example, consistently taking female characters' agency away so that they serve a certain role in the plot or get into exposed positions. Making all women have the same body type (specifically when there are men of all shapes), just to make every single woman have sex appeal. And ESPECIALLY when it goes against logic. My Hero Academia is a good example. Like why the hell is Momo shaped the way she is when her power should make her look and function like Fatgum? Why does Bubble Girl have massive underboob when she is shown to be a shy character who seems like she would dress modest? Why do no characters, especially out of the large assortment of main characters, feel like exceptions? And why isn't having sensical sexual characters, like Mount Lady and Midnight, enough? Why am I embarrassed and/or unable to get my very nerdy female friends to watch half of my favorite series because they feel disgusted by character designs or early fanservice plots?
I often hear sexual fan service being considered annoying at worst, when it isn't for a lot of people. Individual opinions based on personal experiences are fine, though it should at least be acknowledged that constant fanservice CAN be more of a deficit than just being annoying or out of place. It can make a series difficult for people not into oversaturated fanservice to watch, show that the writers have no idea how to make women feel like sensical and well-rounded human characters, and it can feel a little insulting. This is coming from someone who has no problem playing games or watching shows that center male experiences, is fine with some sexual fan service, and tries to experience media in good faith. I'm just tired of having to be fine with it in widely appealing media because women are not the target audiences of adventure, fighting, or non-romance themed anime.
I always get in a weird space when reading a comment section of people saying "I never really mind, though sometimes it can feel overdone." Because that indifference-preference is the audience that these artists are playing to. It's not the only audience that deeply loves the series, but it's the only one whose preferences seem considered. And unless I turn to shoujo, which isn't my thing, I am bound to keep shouting into a void.
bruh, that subtle altetered Fly in the Freedom (SA2:Battle Rouge's Theme) in the background is a fucking nice touch, hinting to Sonic Fans being Coomers