Umpire get their feelings hurt waaaaaaaay to easy, it’s like they are teenage girls. I officiate football and basketball, have done so for the last 20 years. In that time span, In basketball - I have tossed 2 coaches and 3 players. In football, none for conduct but a few for illegal hits to the head. Yes, it’s two different sports compared to baseball but as an official - setting the tone by making the correct call sets the tone. I actually had a conversation with a former umpire asking me why I didn’t toss a player because he started using colorful metaphors at me, I simply told him I don’t take it personal, he is just upset and warning him before I “T” him up usually helps the situation or telling him I will watch for it next time or admit you missed the call. MLB needs to tell their umpires to stop getting their hurt.
It’s largely a rule problem, and mostly stems from bad calls at the plate. The idea that you can’t calmly say, “C’mon, that one was a little low, Bob” without being tossed is insane. Especially in an era of computers giving us instant feedback on each call behind the plate. They should put up on the Jumbotron every pitch immediately after the call, including the box drawn onscreen, so the umpires get immediate feedback and tighten up their calls themselves. That alone would stop a lot of this. The players see their errors writ large on the Jumbotron, so why not the umps’?
A couple of weeks ago, Jomboy featured an ejection where the umpire threw someone out. “Who? Who did you throw out?” He had simply pointed at the dugout and tossed someone out. “I don’t know. Someone has to go.” “Who?” He had no idea. These ejections come with fines and sometimes suspensions. Umpires must have a damned good reason or they need to pay the fine. “Looking at me with a smile on his face after I made a questionable call” (aka showing me up) is not a good reason.
@@daywalkingvampire1521 why do they need to say anything ? Did Hank, Willy’, Roberto, Bob, or Sandy bitch about every call to reporters? No. These clowns now complain if the wind is blowing. Kudos to the umpires!! And the league!
that jt ejection in SPRING TRAINING was the worst one i’ve ever seen in my life so absurdly bad. Umpires have just become toxic and want to control the game these days it’s just so annoying because of the point you made people come to watch in person or on tv to watch their favorite players when they get thrown out then the umpires completely take the fun out the game and people start to lose interest. Need to take some notes on hockey refs 🗿
Add in that previously at that at bat when JT asked for a ball the ump threw to Birdman. So the next time when he doesn't feel it coming JT assumes "oh umps throwing it" it's some BS
I'm an umpire and i have coaches get mad at me all the time, i dont eject them because I'm not very sensitive unlike mlb umpires, still waiting for that first ejection😅 BTW great video, i agree with everything you said
99% of ejections are fully deserved. Mostly because Players and managers are utterly ignorant of the rules. In reality MLB have a out of control players/Mangers problem. As an example Torey Lovullo got ejected yesterday arguing a pitch that was literally Middle Middle. The ammount of players that lose their minds over a pitch either correct or within a half inch of being correct is insane. That said I agree that the 1% of bad Ejections should have reprecussions.
@@peskytalk I don't mind a bad ejection, so long as it has consequences. Everyone makes a mistake, but you shouldn't compound you mistake with a further mistake and not get called to task for it.
That number is way too high. Umps pull the ejection handle far too often. The thing is there is zero menaningful oversight. My solution? Make umps stay after the game to hand-write a report justifying ejections to the Commissioner. If its not worth the ump's time to write it up afterward, its not worth the ejection. The reports can even be secret. Just make the umps think "Is this worth 15 minutes and writer's cramp?"
@@MGower4465 I totally disagree I watch Close Calls Sports, so i've seen every ejection for the last 3 years at least it's extremely rare for an umpire to pull the trigger unless a player or manager steps over the very well drawn lines of behaviour. Don't make it personal - You can say that was a ball, you can't say YOU suck at your job and you definately can't sware at them. You know normal behaviours that are expected in ANY workplace.
The stupidest ejection that I have heard about is thatan umpire makes an ejection motion but doesn't know who he ejected. After they realized no one should be ejected they stated that someone "needs" to be ejected from the game and told the manager just to choose someone in the dugout to be ejected.
Ik like why is the motion like the end all be all of power, just because he called “safe” doesn’t mean that can’t be fixed, so why does an ejection motion HAVE to throw someone out
For the John Lackey one, the umpires shouldn't have thrown him out because it was on purpose, but because he lacked ball control. I remember that happened during a Rays-Yankees game, the pitcher hit three Rays in an inning and the umpires tossed him because his ball control sucked.
Allow the 2 managers to get together and eject an umpire! That will make the umps think twice about ejecting players and making bad (Hernandez-like) calls as well.
I wouldn't just say an ejection problem. More like a umpires union problem. Umpires are getting worse & worse with their performance & attitudes but because of the umpires union MLB cant do much about it. The umpires need to be disciplined & held accountable for their bad actions!
It needs to be majority of umpires saying you should be ejected to be ejected. Three of the four need to eject someone. Umps have proven they can no longer be trusted. Too many narcissists.
The world baseball federation need set ejection rules. Ejection shouldn’t be up ump because a unp o umpires could be got up the wrong side of bed or got something against the pl
I'm 43 seconds in and you've already made a key incorrect assertion - there are rules governing ejections, and after watching every single ejection this season on close call sports, all but maybe 2 were the result of one of these rules being violated, with the other two being ejections that were because the umpire thought the player or manager violated a rule and didn't bother checking to see if it was in fact that player or manager.
Did I say anywhere that most ejections aren’t justified? If I did I didn’t mean to, most of them definitely are, like at least 90% of them, BUT the “rules” stopping ejections can be broken literally whenever the umpire feels like it. There’s no one really governing them. Even if they do after the game A LITTLE BIT, it could still ruin a game because of how they reacted in the moment.
As a general rule, professional baseball players and managers have never been the brightest bulbs on the planet, and more and more of them have attitudes as well. Sadly, it seems an increasing number of umpires have chips on their shoulders (and rabbit ears) too, so you've got a volatile relationship anyway. I wish all these folks would exhibit more self-control.
MLB has an overall umpiring issue which is really stupid in the game where officials could most easily be replaced by machines. The baseball umpire has been an outdated concept for years now. No idea why they still exist.
Man the amount of inaccuracies in this video is amazing. Please do more research. For 1 Beltre wasn’t moving away from the foul ball he moved the circle closer and was basically in view of the pitcher. The clip you showed even shows him moving closer.
He pulled it away from the umpire i meant, he was trying to not get hit by a foul ball, the angle where he was standing made it very difficult to get hit, where the circle was made it much easier. He was not doing it to get in the eyes of the pitcher it was 100% bc he was in a safer spot, the game was 18-6, he was not trying to steal signs for his teammate 💀
@@peskytalktoo soft, but they cant replace them it takes 7 years minimum to become an mlb ump, and thats very rare mlb would 100% replace them but they unfortunately can’t
Absolutely false. Other than Anthony Rendon getting tossed by Marty Foster, players get tossed for something they said. How do you not toss a guy who is supposedly "walking away" but turns quickly and obviously says something vulgar or inappropriate. You get tossed. Simple.
@@HealeyBrianT but like in Harper’s case he calmly said something about there umps zone and got tossed. Also in prior years they didn’t eject them so quickly
Can you now post a video covering all (dozens) the Emails and Training videos the MLB/NCAA/NFHS sends to Umpires Telling them that coach and player behavior has gotten out of hand and telling Umpires to be less tolerant.
From an umpire’s perspective: I agree that ejections should be able to be reviewed by the crew before becoming official. HARD disagree on both Beltre and the fans. Beltre was showing up the umpire when moving the on deck circle, and definitely deserved to be tossed, regardless of game situation. Fans can be brutal. If you don’t believe me, go umpire a middle school or little league game. We HAVE to be able to police the worst of the worst, because often the stadium crew or the game officials present don’t have any real idea what is being said or done by the fans in question.
Excellent video. You should do a video on umpires who touch players and managers. If a player or manager cannot make contact with an umpire, wtf gives the umpires the right to touch players? Laz Diaz is the biggest culprit. If a manager argues with an umpire, there is no reason for another umpire to intervene. Let them argue like men. It seems as if the umpire needs his bf or bff to bail him out. The manager has the right to argue, so the umpire should hear him out instead of walking away while the other umpire blocks or holds the manager. Umpires have become soft wussies.
I like the requirements of consensus from the ump crew on ejections. If we’re going to a challenge system, it would get a ton of pushback from the umpire’s union but I think there needs to be some sort of accountability mechanism. Maybe if you try to eject someone and it’s overturned, you yourself are suspended without pay from your next scheduled game.
The umpires have a massive ego problem and MLB needs to step in and fire umpires one by one and clean house until they get the message. I am wondering if minor league umpires have this massive ego? They are off to a good start getting rid of Angel Hernandez. Now CB Buckner and others must go. A manager or player can not even speak to them anymore. As you say in the video, If I pay money to see a game, I would not want to have a star I pay to see be ejected in the first inning.
Judge getting ejected was a real head scratcher. The most that man ever says is "really?" and just gets back in the box. He rarely even says a word on bad calls low in the zone by his ankles and that happens all the time. Umps got big heads i.e. Angel Hernandez, may he enjoy retirement far from a baseball field
Bro is commenting all of riding the umps like your life depends on it. Umps are soft its fine to say that and they make mistakes and should be called out. Stop meatriding@@HealeyBrianT
Exactly, if they set up a review process after the game handled by an outside party where umps could be fined or sidelined for so many games after making a frivolous ejection they'd at least think twice before they tossed someone and it'd cut out a lot of these heat of the moment ego trips.
First off, this is one of the biggest reasons I don't like baseball! Second, if you want to change it, just sending it to a vote among the other refs will not change anything, due to biases within refs. If a lead and seasoned ref decides to throw out someone, then the rest of the refs will likely vote with them just to keep their job (in most accounts). If you want to change this policy, first be clear in the rule book what would qualify an ejection. Then, set up an unbias committee to look into the circumstances surrounding the ejection, and punish the ref who made the call. And if enough bad calls are made, then a firing of the ump! If a player can get cut for bad play, then the refs should also, and this should be all sports not just baseball!
There are very specific standards for removal/ejection and the umpires write very detailed reports for their ejections. Some of the standards for removal are dumb, but that’s an MLB issue not an umpire issue.
I agree yes the umpires are way to quick to eject it’s kind of ridiculous but at the same time the players are childish little pansies and should also know when it’s the right time to talk back to an umpire and not do it with every single strike call. Baseball needs to grow up a bit in general
I'm an umpire that works high school games and down (and some adult leagues, not professional) and in 13 seasons, I'll bet I've ejected less than 6 players/coaches. I don't want to effect the game, and if I handle an objection properly, it rarely escalates. Realizing that, yeah, I might have made a questionable judgement call, I can see the side of the players/coaches involved. As long as I'm approached with a little respect, I can let them vent. Name calling, swearing AT me, and similar action probably won't be tolerated. Be angry, but be respectful. I've had wayyyyyyyy too many partners want to eject people.
No...they have an entitled player and manager problem. And an "I'm an idiot with a failed RUclips channel about baseball even though I know nothing about the sport
Pretty sure John Lackey had thrown about 5000 pitches in rehab plus a minor league loss before that start. Those definitely weren't the first two pitches he'd thrown in six months.
I htink the best solution is to create some clearly defined rules on what offenses constitute and ejection. For example, in the NHL, if a player instigates a fight, is called for a 5 minute major match penalty (attempting to injure an opponent), or a penalty with an automatic game misconduct attached to it, the player's gone, otherwise, the refs have no authority to boot a player from the game. Same goes for Soccer, Football, Basketball, etc, they all have clear rules surrounding ejections that's not just the ref "felt like it".
um, i get what your saying but in hockey if you instigate a fight is a 5 min fighting and a 2 min instigator. you don't get tossed from the game. at most a player will get a 10 min misconduct for yelling at a ref, but the refs have very thick skin in the NHL.
One thing about these umpires I don't like, is when the player looks back and then umpire will thrown a player out, like what the hell, seriously, just because someone looks at you doesn't mean throw the person out of the game, that's just plain ridiculous and plain dumb, those players and coaches has the rights to be upset
The JT Realmuto ejection was so childish of the ump. Realmuto has never been ejected from a game before.. and this ump tosses him for dropping the ball because he thought JT was trying to big league him. Unreal how pathetic that ump was, it was a spring training game for christ sake.
Two of the most problematic umpires, Joe West and Angel Hernandez have gone, but unfortunately, many unfit for the job remain. I wouldn't consider paying to go to a MLB game at present-too many fragile egos and power tripping fools amongst the umpiring crews. The blame has to go to MLB administration for lacking the balls to go toe to toe with the umpires union that protects these incompetents. MLB must have more tools and ways of dealing with the clown umpires who take away from the game. I apologize to all professional clowns out there for the comparison.
Ump called it a foul ball and still called it a foul ball when it was fair and was a home rum. Hit ball that hit any part of foul pole is a fair ball and a home run
no fan is ever removed from a game. if the ump tosses a fan "out" the stadium staff just moves them somewhere else, away from the ump. the fastest way for this to stop is when an ump tosses a player for no reason every fan should make for the gates and demand a refund because they didn't pay to see the refs. a few games of having to give back 100s of 1k of dollars and the loss in sales will make the owners tell the league to do something about it.
NOT TRUE they have been removed from the stadium by security! I would like to know where this happens! What makes you think that there isn't a reason why players get tossed! Why don't you go and umpire a game and let me start heckling you as a fan and see how long it is before you remove me!
@@Michael-gu5kl first no, they are moved by security not removed by security. second I wouldn't toss you because I could care less what you think. third no UMP is going to have sex with you, you can stop white knighting for them. oh and I never said there isn't a reason players get tossed, I said umps toss most players because their egos get hurt.
@@justinmiller5660 maybe so but let it get to the point that they talk about you or your family or even go up to you and threaten you after a game! Oh and your wrong about that cause I have friends who work security at games and they are removed from the venue. Get your FACTS straight!
@@justinmiller5660 Nice try I'm not making anything up as I seen a couple of fans who were removed from a Triple A game recently! Besides why would they remove them from one section to another section in the stadium for when that wouldn't make any sense?
Agreed, I sit out down the rf line a lot when I go to Nats games and Lane is one of the nicest guys you could ever meet, he's never given anyone a reason to eject him. If you watch it closely and read his lips you can see the ump lying to Davey about Lane supposedly saying something too, Kevin Frandsen even called him out about it on the broadcast lol. That one really pissed me off, those guys are playing the best they have so far this season and that dbag broke their winning streak over his fragile ego.
Players and coaches know what they're doing when they get tossed 99 percent of the time... Pete Rose was ejected on a day the stadium was handing out posters of him. He was ejected bc he told the umpire he needed to go back to umpire school. After the game, he sent an autographed poster to the umpire with the message, keep up the good work. It was the umpire's first season and Rose was testing him... These are professionals who have spent their lives around the game... They know you can't argue balls and strikes. They know if they walk away while they say something inappropriate it will make the umpire look bad to the crowd when they get tossed. They know you can't showboat (like dragging an on deck circle after being instructed to stand on it) ... these men know what they're doing and when you start bashing the umpires for doing their job, congratulations, you have been successfully manipulated by those players... ...all that being said, mistakes are made and we've seen a couple this year with judge getting tossed for the Fan's words and the catcher getting tossed for moving his glove... But those were legit mistakes that were understandable from the umpire's perspective... I wouldn't be opposed to some kind of mechanic by which to undo an ejection for cases like those, but they are truly outliers... They know what they are doing when they get themselves tossed...
People are already trying to get the umpires replaced by computers. You'd think they would smarten up if they dont wanna lose their spot altogether! People are at the stadium to watch baseball, not power tripping umps!
I disagree, The biggest problem I have with this (and why I believe we need MORE Ejections in MLB and other sports) is because ,In the social media Era, many players have become spoiled and entitled. Do we really want that behavior to be shown to kids that see many of these athletes as role models
I was an umpire for an 8u coach pitch game. Keep in mind, i was 14. This coach that i had thrown out, wasn't even a coach, he was the commissioner of this team. Keep in mind that this coach was one of the rudest and most unintelligent person i have ever met. He started arguing a foul tip call, (him saying it was a foul) and it was clear that the ball was on the ground, as the batter swung above his head. He started going on a rant saying that I have to be at least 18. The rule in my county says that all umpires can be 13 or over. He dropped one F- bomb, i warned him. he said "You're just a kid, you have no authority." and then proceeded to curse me out. At this point the only thing I said was "Sir, You're going to be embarrassed if you do not stop" he says "Try me mother f---er" so I threw him out. Funny how a kid can act more mature than adults.
Well in that situation you were more than justified to eject that unruly “adult” You handled the situation very well and were definitely professional there. That’s the umpiring we like to see
Naw it just needs to go period. Since instant replay has been in use the dugout is basically arguing strikes and balls now. Incorporate the automated balls and strikes or challenge of pitch and elections will go almost to zero.
@@christhayer5498You must’ve not seen the triple an ejection last year over balls and strikes on a fully automated game.And in the Florida State League (Low A) there are ejections and complaints even with the system being used to challenge.
@chaseeubanks1538 yeah I don't pay to much attention to lower levels. Question is how much have ejections gone down since it's been implemented? Ejections just need to go period and only reserved for touching an ump or bench brawls.
I play baseball and an in the dirt pitch that i didnt swing at was a strike every time he ums it is a bad call night and a guy was stealing and he throwv the fourth ball and then it was goanaa be bases loaded but there wasa 2 outs and he called ball game??
To be fair, all these “for not doing anything ejections” you’re right there is no hot mic’s so you don’t know if he didn’t say something to get ejected. You can’t argue balls and strikes simple as that. There are some ejections that aren’t warranted sure but a lot of the time it’s warranted.
Let me say this, it’s the Umpires discretion to eject a pitcher on whether or not they deemed it intentional. If you think it’s intentional than ejecting the pitcher is warned as well as the Manager.
Agree with all but Lackey. He was intentionally trying to hit Kinsler. But a warning should have been given after, not an ejection. It was not due to "lack of control"
Man hasn't pitched in live action in a month and a half and you are sure it's intentional. Unless you have psychic powers, how could you know. What bad blood did he have against Kinsler.
Bryce Harper, the biggest whiner in baseball, is a bad example. And there are protocols that should be followed, by rule. If the umpires fail to follow protocols they are disciplined accordingly.
Ejections or disqualification is something that’s been in the rule book for decades. Just about anyone in the entire stadium can be removed. They’ve changed the way pitchers get tossed. A meeting with the crew has to happen before a pitcher is removed. No more rogue home plate umpires tossing immediately based on opinion.
@@peskytalk nope. They initially stopped the home plate umpire from unilateral ejections of pitchers but no warnings are necessary. Only a crew meeting. I think requiring a crew meeting for every ejection would be a bit much. While some umpires are a bit too soft and go overboard, they’re the living rule book and only authority on the field. They’re supposed to keep good order and enforce the rules. Their authority comes straight from the commissioner. The problem is out of control umpires aren’t held accountable enough.
An arguing pitcher doesn’t require a pitcher ejection I thought. I thought it was just if a warning was being discussed or if they needed to throw the pitcher out for intentionally throwing at a batter.
@@sportsloverbaseball a pitcher arguing is definitely something to get ejected over. It’s in the rules that objecting to any call by an umpire can be grounds for an ejection. Written in the rules probably a hundred years ago. The sport was meant to be a gentlemanly game where you left the dirt kicking tantrums up to your manager. Players were to do their best and leave the rest to their coaches and the umpires. If the president of the United States was in the stands heckling, he could be ejected too.
@@URAWESOME94 I am aware. You stated that an umpire meeting must happen before a pitcher can get ejected. I am stating that a pitcher shouting and screaming profanities at an umpire over a missed call is ground for ejection and, in that case, the umpires would not convene.
They have a short fuse and have no reason to. If they would do their jobs better, maybe this stat would go down. They don’t like being called out in front of thousands of people. Now, some ejections are correct but the majority is not. It’s gotten worse year after year. I thought Torre being over them might help but it didn’t. I worked MLB for 4 yrs. I’m a baseball guy and the sport needs the Umps but, come on, there needs to be a circumstance for a bad call. Start suspending or fining the Umps for screw ups.
When it comes to your final comment about public officials; the problem is this isn't a public function. This is a Private Event on Private Property. The property owner is the one who decides who gets to get in. As well as anyone specifically appointed by the property owner to do so, like stadium security, hired officers in the crowd, and umpires. The government has no say in the rules of a baseball stadium so long as no laws are broken. The reality is, MLB can give the power to whomever they wish. They chose umps, and the umps chose to unionize. It is what it is. Maybe if enough public backlash starts hurting their bottom line, but idk if that's really gonna happen any time soon.
You’re not wrong, PERSONALLY I don’t think MLB should give them the right to eject fans, like I said there are security guards for a reason, but you do make a good point
So context on the jt one for people who dont know the pitcher that day was messing with the umpire so when the umpire threw the pitcher a new ball jt didnt realize so when he wanted another one he like oh he going to throw it to the pitcher again
Umpire get their feelings hurt waaaaaaaay to easy, it’s like they are teenage girls.
I officiate football and basketball, have done so for the last 20 years. In that time span, In basketball - I have tossed 2 coaches and 3 players. In football, none for conduct but a few for illegal hits to the head.
Yes, it’s two different sports compared to baseball but as an official - setting the tone by making the correct call sets the tone.
I actually had a conversation with a former umpire asking me why I didn’t toss a player because he started using colorful metaphors at me, I simply told him I don’t take it personal, he is just upset and warning him before I “T” him up usually helps the situation or telling him I will watch for it next time or admit you missed the call.
MLB needs to tell their umpires to stop getting their hurt.
It’s largely a rule problem, and mostly stems from bad calls at the plate. The idea that you can’t calmly say, “C’mon, that one was a little low, Bob” without being tossed is insane. Especially in an era of computers giving us instant feedback on each call behind the plate.
They should put up on the Jumbotron every pitch immediately after the call, including the box drawn onscreen, so the umpires get immediate feedback and tighten up their calls themselves. That alone would stop a lot of this. The players see their errors writ large on the Jumbotron, so why not the umps’?
We're fast approaching the extinction of umpires because they've managed to go from "humanly-flawed" to "complete crap but we're untouchable gods."
A couple of weeks ago, Jomboy featured an ejection where the umpire threw someone out. “Who? Who did you throw out?” He had simply pointed at the dugout and tossed someone out. “I don’t know. Someone has to go.”
“Who?”
He had no idea.
These ejections come with fines and sometimes suspensions. Umpires must have a damned good reason or they need to pay the fine. “Looking at me with a smile on his face after I made a questionable call” (aka showing me up) is not a good reason.
what's worse is that the league office is threatening suspensions if players and managers don't cool it
And the umpires just get a stern talking to if they were wrong!
the sad part is that a player can't even talk about the officials either without mlb issuing retaliatory fines against coaches and players
@@daywalkingvampire1521 why do they need to say anything ? Did Hank, Willy’, Roberto, Bob, or Sandy bitch about every call to reporters? No. These clowns now complain if the wind is blowing. Kudos to the umpires!! And the league!
@@nelsonporter8387 EXACTLY RIGHT.
@@nelsonporter8387when did you play or umpire? Just using your own logic.
When the A.I. Ump throws out Alex Cora for saying poopy
How’s 6th place in fantasy baseball buddy
that jt ejection in SPRING TRAINING was the worst one i’ve ever seen in my life so absurdly bad. Umpires have just become toxic and want to control the game these days it’s just so annoying because of the point you made people come to watch in person or on tv to watch their favorite players when they get thrown out then the umpires completely take the fun out the game and people start to lose interest. Need to take some notes on hockey refs 🗿
Ik. That one still makes me just wonder what was Happening in that man’s brain
@@peskytalk JT's only ejection ever. That's crazy.
The umpires in ST are just like most of the players who play there. Minor leaguers.
This umpire didn’t survive this ejection. ‘Nuff said.
Add in that previously at that at bat when JT asked for a ball the ump threw to Birdman. So the next time when he doesn't feel it coming JT assumes "oh umps throwing it" it's some BS
You change one letter in the title and suddenly it’s weird
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I believe that issue might be the underlying reason why the one the video is discussing exists in the first place lol
@@RainerWarrior666 Yeah your right!
I remember one clip where a hit batter argued with the umpire when the pitcher was ejected. It was quite funny.
Here’s a fix. If an umpire ejects someone they are now contractually obliged to do media time after the game and explain themselves.
I'm an umpire and i have coaches get mad at me all the time, i dont eject them because I'm not very sensitive unlike mlb umpires, still waiting for that first ejection😅 BTW great video, i agree with everything you said
Umpires are the main reason we, the fans, pay all that money just to see the star players get thrown out of the game.
99% of ejections are fully deserved.
Mostly because Players and managers are utterly ignorant of the rules. In reality MLB have a out of control players/Mangers problem. As an example Torey Lovullo got ejected yesterday arguing a pitch that was literally Middle Middle. The ammount of players that lose their minds over a pitch either correct or within a half inch of being correct is insane.
That said I agree that the 1% of bad Ejections should have reprecussions.
I also agree that at least 95% of ejections are perfectly fair. But those 1-5% that aren’t are VERY VERY bad
@@peskytalk I don't mind a bad ejection, so long as it has consequences.
Everyone makes a mistake, but you shouldn't compound you mistake with a further mistake and not get called to task for it.
That number is way too high. Umps pull the ejection handle far too often. The thing is there is zero menaningful oversight.
My solution? Make umps stay after the game to hand-write a report justifying ejections to the Commissioner. If its not worth the ump's time to write it up afterward, its not worth the ejection. The reports can even be secret. Just make the umps think "Is this worth 15 minutes and writer's cramp?"
@@MGower4465 players get fined when they are ejected, umps should get fines when their egos get bruised and they toss someone for nothing.
@@MGower4465 I totally disagree I watch Close Calls Sports, so i've seen every ejection for the last 3 years at least
it's extremely rare for an umpire to pull the trigger unless a player or manager steps over the very well drawn lines of behaviour.
Don't make it personal - You can say that was a ball, you can't say YOU suck at your job and you definately can't sware at them.
You know normal behaviours that are expected in ANY workplace.
The stupidest ejection that I have heard about is thatan umpire makes an ejection motion but doesn't know who he ejected. After they realized no one should be ejected they stated that someone "needs" to be ejected from the game and told the manager just to choose someone in the dugout to be ejected.
Ik like why is the motion like the end all be all of power, just because he called “safe” doesn’t mean that can’t be fixed, so why does an ejection motion HAVE to throw someone out
For the John Lackey one, the umpires shouldn't have thrown him out because it was on purpose, but because he lacked ball control. I remember that happened during a Rays-Yankees game, the pitcher hit three Rays in an inning and the umpires tossed him because his ball control sucked.
Allow the 2 managers to get together and eject an umpire! That will make the umps think twice about ejecting players and making bad (Hernandez-like) calls as well.
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Never will happen.
the umpire that ejected the player for moving the on deck circle needs to grow a since of hummer
I wouldn't just say an ejection problem. More like a umpires union problem. Umpires are getting worse & worse with their performance & attitudes but because of the umpires union MLB cant do much about it. The umpires need to be disciplined & held accountable for their bad actions!
It needs to be majority of umpires saying you should be ejected to be ejected. Three of the four need to eject someone. Umps have proven they can no longer be trusted. Too many narcissists.
Like gockey fights, many fans look forward to ejections and the antics that happen. It's not a problem at all
What I would love to see is if an unjust ejection happened, every player on that team said something to umpire to get ejected. Leaving no one to play.
What the video fails to take into account is the fact that sometimes the umpires’ asses are in the jackpot.
I have to disagree. If they wanted the problem to stop, owners would tell managers “Stfu or you’re fired” & managers would say the same to players.
The world baseball federation need set ejection rules. Ejection shouldn’t be up ump because a unp o umpires could be got up the wrong side of bed or got something against the pl
I can’t even watch baseball anymore. The MLB has ruined the game. Especially the umpires.
2 days ago Cleveland Guardians vs Seattle Mariners well 2 people from Mariners got ejected from the game and let the Guardians win 8-0
I'm 43 seconds in and you've already made a key incorrect assertion - there are rules governing ejections, and after watching every single ejection this season on close call sports, all but maybe 2 were the result of one of these rules being violated, with the other two being ejections that were because the umpire thought the player or manager violated a rule and didn't bother checking to see if it was in fact that player or manager.
Did I say anywhere that most ejections aren’t justified? If I did I didn’t mean to, most of them definitely are, like at least 90% of them, BUT the “rules” stopping ejections can be broken literally whenever the umpire feels like it. There’s no one really governing them. Even if they do after the game A LITTLE BIT, it could still ruin a game because of how they reacted in the moment.
@@peskytalk Right the ump can eject and after the game say my bad. The dude who commented just wants to argue. Good video
relax, the umps aren't going to have sex with you. and your never going to make it the the MLB as an Ump.
It’s not an ejection problem-it’s a respect problem of the players!
@@nelsonporter8387 the umps are pretty disrespectful to the players as well. its an Ump's have to big of an ego and to thin of skin.
As a general rule, professional baseball players and managers have never been the brightest bulbs on the planet, and more and more of them have attitudes as well. Sadly, it seems an increasing number of umpires have chips on their shoulders (and rabbit ears) too, so you've got a volatile relationship anyway.
I wish all these folks would exhibit more self-control.
MLB has an overall umpiring issue which is really stupid in the game where officials could most easily be replaced by machines. The baseball umpire has been an outdated concept for years now. No idea why they still exist.
The Beltre thing was him trying to be closer to home plate, not further away. He was told to move away because it could be distracting to the pitcher.
This is not right at all. There are absolutely guidelines that are followed by umps for ejections.
They don’t follow them, therefore they aren’t real
Man the amount of inaccuracies in this video is amazing. Please do more research. For 1 Beltre wasn’t moving away from the foul ball he moved the circle closer and was basically in view of the pitcher. The clip you showed even shows him moving closer.
He pulled it away from the umpire i meant, he was trying to not get hit by a foul ball, the angle where he was standing made it very difficult to get hit, where the circle was made it much easier. He was not doing it to get in the eyes of the pitcher it was 100% bc he was in a safer spot, the game was 18-6, he was not trying to steal signs for his teammate 💀
It’s become a no tolerance for who I work for. That’s how bad baseball parents are 😂
The umpires are so soft people are getting ejected for saying nothing we want to see are favorite players play
They are extremely soft
@@peskytalktoo soft, but they cant replace them
it takes 7 years minimum to become an mlb ump, and thats very rare
mlb would 100% replace them but they unfortunately can’t
Absolutely false. Other than Anthony Rendon getting tossed by Marty Foster, players get tossed for something they said. How do you not toss a guy who is supposedly "walking away" but turns quickly and obviously says something vulgar or inappropriate. You get tossed. Simple.
@@HealeyBrianT but like in Harper’s case he calmly said something about there umps zone and got tossed. Also in prior years they didn’t eject them so quickly
@@USAbaseball99 do you think that is the case as you don't think that they add a certain word to the things that their saying to get tossed?
Angel Hernandez biting the curb 8k
Also, Lackey was clearly throwing at the hitter. Good ejection.
Theres no professional sports league in the world that allows referees to just eject anybody for any reason.
Can you now post a video covering all (dozens) the Emails and Training videos the MLB/NCAA/NFHS sends to Umpires Telling them that coach and player behavior has gotten out of hand and telling Umpires to be less tolerant.
I don’t have access to those emails. So not really
I mean just banned ejections like it’s annoying
When the intro is more than 25% off the total video. Just old clip we all seen before with a boring voice over.
Yeah he kinda sucks
From an umpire’s perspective: I agree that ejections should be able to be reviewed by the crew before becoming official. HARD disagree on both Beltre and the fans.
Beltre was showing up the umpire when moving the on deck circle, and definitely deserved to be tossed, regardless of game situation.
Fans can be brutal. If you don’t believe me, go umpire a middle school or little league game. We HAVE to be able to police the worst of the worst, because often the stadium crew or the game officials present don’t have any real idea what is being said or done by the fans in question.
Excellent video. You should do a video on umpires who touch players and managers. If a player or manager cannot make contact with an umpire, wtf gives the umpires the right to touch players? Laz Diaz is the biggest culprit. If a manager argues with an umpire, there is no reason for another umpire to intervene. Let them argue like men. It seems as if the umpire needs his bf or bff to bail him out. The manager has the right to argue, so the umpire should hear him out instead of walking away while the other umpire blocks or holds the manager. Umpires have become soft wussies.
Im just waiting for a team to just pack up their gear and leave mid game.
I don’t think sponsors would like that at all
Wouldn't bother the umpires one bit. They get paid regardless
@@fiveoh51Yeah but the MLB would pay thousands in refunds and havw to deal with the aftermath
I like the requirements of consensus from the ump crew on ejections. If we’re going to a challenge system, it would get a ton of pushback from the umpire’s union but I think there needs to be some sort of accountability mechanism. Maybe if you try to eject someone and it’s overturned, you yourself are suspended without pay from your next scheduled game.
I feel like maybe the challenge system is too far, but getting together and talking about what was said SEEMS like a good idea
The umpires have a massive ego problem and MLB needs to step in and fire umpires one by one and clean house until they get the message. I am wondering if minor league umpires have this massive ego? They are off to a good start getting rid of Angel Hernandez. Now CB Buckner and others must go. A manager or player can not even speak to them anymore. As you say in the video, If I pay money to see a game, I would not want to have a star I pay to see be ejected in the first inning.
Another great video!
The audio still has that issue. But your content is so good I don’t care!
Keep them coming man!
I recorded that video before your last comment! I’m going to look into my mic tonight to try to fix it. Thank you again!
@@peskytalk You're killing it with content though man! This time next year you'll be one of the big ones!
Judge getting ejected was a real head scratcher. The most that man ever says is "really?" and just gets back in the box. He rarely even says a word on bad calls low in the zone by his ankles and that happens all the time. Umps got big heads i.e. Angel Hernandez, may he enjoy retirement far from a baseball field
On that ejection he was talking a lot to be fair. But he was walking away, a player should never be ejected while walking away imo
He calls the umpire and the call itself "horseshit". Ejectable offense 100% of the time.
Bro is commenting all of riding the umps like your life depends on it. Umps are soft its fine to say that and they make mistakes and should be called out. Stop meatriding@@HealeyBrianT
if you fine the umps for their bullshit like they fine the players it would stop almost immediately
Agreed
Exactly, if they set up a review process after the game handled by an outside party where umps could be fined or sidelined for so many games after making a frivolous ejection they'd at least think twice before they tossed someone and it'd cut out a lot of these heat of the moment ego trips.
First off, this is one of the biggest reasons I don't like baseball! Second, if you want to change it, just sending it to a vote among the other refs will not change anything, due to biases within refs. If a lead and seasoned ref decides to throw out someone, then the rest of the refs will likely vote with them just to keep their job (in most accounts). If you want to change this policy, first be clear in the rule book what would qualify an ejection. Then, set up an unbias committee to look into the circumstances surrounding the ejection, and punish the ref who made the call. And if enough bad calls are made, then a firing of the ump! If a player can get cut for bad play, then the refs should also, and this should be all sports not just baseball!
There are very specific standards for removal/ejection and the umpires write very detailed reports for their ejections. Some of the standards for removal are dumb, but that’s an MLB issue not an umpire issue.
I agree, the umps shouldn't be able to eject a fan, they're not really a part of the game. It should be up to the stadium security instead.
They need an unbiased review booth that supersedes the umpires.
Agreed with that
3:37 Thats what Jomboy Media is for, figuring out what is being said when incidents happen.
Well I agree with the Tuner ejection. If an Umpire tells a player to stop, the next word he says, he’s gone. Doesn’t matter.
Simple yet perfect title and thumbnail
Inspired by BDE right?
How could I not be inspired by him, he is the best baseball youtuber on the platform!
You should be allowed to challenge ejections
I agree yes the umpires are way to quick to eject it’s kind of ridiculous but at the same time the players are childish little pansies and should also know when it’s the right time to talk back to an umpire and not do it with every single strike call. Baseball needs to grow up a bit in general
I'm an umpire that works high school games and down (and some adult leagues, not professional) and in 13 seasons, I'll bet I've ejected less than 6 players/coaches. I don't want to effect the game, and if I handle an objection properly, it rarely escalates. Realizing that, yeah, I might have made a questionable judgement call, I can see the side of the players/coaches involved. As long as I'm approached with a little respect, I can let them vent. Name calling, swearing AT me, and similar action probably won't be tolerated. Be angry, but be respectful. I've had wayyyyyyyy too many partners want to eject people.
No...they have an entitled player and manager problem. And an "I'm an idiot with a failed RUclips channel about baseball even though I know nothing about the sport
An ejection in the WS has happened 7 years ago, Davey Martinez Nats vs Astros
Pretty sure John Lackey had thrown about 5000 pitches in rehab plus a minor league loss before that start. Those definitely weren't the first two pitches he'd thrown in six months.
Maybe mic up the umpire like in Rugby
I htink the best solution is to create some clearly defined rules on what offenses constitute and ejection. For example, in the NHL, if a player instigates a fight, is called for a 5 minute major match penalty (attempting to injure an opponent), or a penalty with an automatic game misconduct attached to it, the player's gone, otherwise, the refs have no authority to boot a player from the game. Same goes for Soccer, Football, Basketball, etc, they all have clear rules surrounding ejections that's not just the ref "felt like it".
um, i get what your saying but in hockey if you instigate a fight is a 5 min fighting and a 2 min instigator. you don't get tossed from the game. at most a player will get a 10 min misconduct for yelling at a ref, but the refs have very thick skin in the NHL.
One thing about these umpires I don't like, is when the player looks back and then umpire will thrown a player out, like what the hell, seriously, just because someone looks at you doesn't mean throw the person out of the game, that's just plain ridiculous and plain dumb, those players and coaches has the rights to be upset
What do you mean, you cannot LOOK at another human! Are you crazy????
Angel hernandez and Ian kinsler
The JT Realmuto ejection was so childish of the ump. Realmuto has never been ejected from a game before.. and this ump tosses him for dropping the ball because he thought JT was trying to big league him. Unreal how pathetic that ump was, it was a spring training game for christ sake.
Two of the most problematic umpires, Joe West and Angel Hernandez have gone, but unfortunately, many unfit for the job remain. I wouldn't consider paying to go to a MLB game at present-too many fragile egos and power tripping fools amongst the umpiring crews. The blame has to go to MLB administration for lacking the balls to go toe to toe with the umpires union that protects these incompetents. MLB must have more tools and ways of dealing with the clown umpires who take away from the game. I apologize to all professional clowns out there for the comparison.
6:26 There was history behind the Lackey ejection. Lots of juicy baseball history.
Ump called it a foul ball and still called it a foul ball when it was fair and was a home rum.
Hit ball that hit any part of foul pole is a fair ball and a home run
The Beltre one was because he wasn’t in the circle, he was standing closer to the batter than the circle
no fan is ever removed from a game. if the ump tosses a fan "out" the stadium staff just moves them somewhere else, away from the ump. the fastest way for this to stop is when an ump tosses a player for no reason every fan should make for the gates and demand a refund because they didn't pay to see the refs. a few games of having to give back 100s of 1k of dollars and the loss in sales will make the owners tell the league to do something about it.
NOT TRUE they have been removed from the stadium by security! I would like to know where this happens! What makes you think that there isn't a reason why players get tossed! Why don't you go and umpire a game and let me start heckling you as a fan and see how long it is before you remove me!
@@Michael-gu5kl first no, they are moved by security not removed by security. second I wouldn't toss you because I could care less what you think. third no UMP is going to have sex with you, you can stop white knighting for them.
oh and I never said there isn't a reason players get tossed, I said umps toss most players because their egos get hurt.
@@justinmiller5660 maybe so but let it get to the point that they talk about you or your family or even go up to you and threaten you after a game! Oh and your wrong about that cause I have friends who work security at games and they are removed from the venue. Get your FACTS straight!
@@Michael-gu5kl maybe drunks are, but not anyone else. i have friends who own MLB team and they never remove paying fans.
see I can make shit up to.
@@justinmiller5660 Nice try I'm not making anything up as I seen a couple of fans who were removed from a Triple A game recently! Besides why would they remove them from one section to another section in the stadium for when that wouldn't make any sense?
Davey Martinez was ejected during Game 6 of the 2019 World Series. It hasn't been 28 years since the last World Series ejection.
Player ejection**
lane thomas getting the boot because he LOOKED at an umpire is still baffling to me
I would’ve added that one but I recorded this video around a week ago
Agreed, I sit out down the rf line a lot when I go to Nats games and Lane is one of the nicest guys you could ever meet, he's never given anyone a reason to eject him. If you watch it closely and read his lips you can see the ump lying to Davey about Lane supposedly saying something too, Kevin Frandsen even called him out about it on the broadcast lol. That one really pissed me off, those guys are playing the best they have so far this season and that dbag broke their winning streak over his fragile ego.
i totally agree with the fans statement if you have an issue with a fan talk to security in my opinion
Players and coaches know what they're doing when they get tossed 99 percent of the time... Pete Rose was ejected on a day the stadium was handing out posters of him. He was ejected bc he told the umpire he needed to go back to umpire school. After the game, he sent an autographed poster to the umpire with the message, keep up the good work. It was the umpire's first season and Rose was testing him... These are professionals who have spent their lives around the game... They know you can't argue balls and strikes. They know if they walk away while they say something inappropriate it will make the umpire look bad to the crowd when they get tossed. They know you can't showboat (like dragging an on deck circle after being instructed to stand on it) ... these men know what they're doing and when you start bashing the umpires for doing their job, congratulations, you have been successfully manipulated by those players... ...all that being said, mistakes are made and we've seen a couple this year with judge getting tossed for the Fan's words and the catcher getting tossed for moving his glove... But those were legit mistakes that were understandable from the umpire's perspective... I wouldn't be opposed to some kind of mechanic by which to undo an ejection for cases like those, but they are truly outliers... They know what they are doing when they get themselves tossed...
People are already trying to get the umpires replaced by computers. You'd think they would smarten up if they dont wanna lose their spot altogether! People are at the stadium to watch baseball, not power tripping umps!
UMPIRES ARE MAKING BASEBALL WORSE WHEN IT COMES TO CLUB,TRAVEL,LITTLE LEAGUE, AND MAJORS
I disagree, The biggest problem I have with this (and why I believe we need MORE Ejections in MLB and other sports) is because ,In the social media Era, many players have become spoiled and entitled. Do we really want that behavior to be shown to kids that see many of these athletes as role models
Umps: *_MUH FEELINGS! YER OUTTA HERE!!!_*
I was an umpire for an 8u coach pitch game. Keep in mind, i was 14. This coach that i had thrown out, wasn't even a coach, he was the commissioner of this team. Keep in mind that this coach was one of the rudest and most unintelligent person i have ever met. He started arguing a foul tip call, (him saying it was a foul) and it was clear that the ball was on the ground, as the batter swung above his head. He started going on a rant saying that I have to be at least 18. The rule in my county says that all umpires can be 13 or over. He dropped one F- bomb, i warned him. he said "You're just a kid, you have no authority." and then proceeded to curse me out. At this point the only thing I said was "Sir, You're going to be embarrassed if you do not stop" he says "Try me mother f---er" so I threw him out. Funny how a kid can act more mature than adults.
Well in that situation you were more than justified to eject that unruly “adult”
You handled the situation very well and were definitely professional there. That’s the umpiring we like to see
Give umpires a season ejection limit. Say they only get like 18 ejections in a season.
Naw it just needs to go period. Since instant replay has been in use the dugout is basically arguing strikes and balls now. Incorporate the automated balls and strikes or challenge of pitch and elections will go almost to zero.
@@christhayer5498You must’ve not seen the triple an ejection last year over balls and strikes on a fully automated game.And in the Florida State League (Low A) there are ejections and complaints even with the system being used to challenge.
@chaseeubanks1538 yeah I don't pay to much attention to lower levels. Question is how much have ejections gone down since it's been implemented?
Ejections just need to go period and only reserved for touching an ump or bench brawls.
Umps are anoying
I play baseball and an in the dirt pitch that i didnt swing at was a strike every time he ums it is a bad call night and a guy was stealing and he throwv the fourth ball and then it was goanaa be bases loaded but there wasa 2 outs and he called ball game??
Not even gonna waste my time. I went as far into the video as when it said that there aren’t any rules regarding ejection. That’s flat out untrue.
Brice Harper deserves to be ejected, simply because he's Brice Harper.
This is what makes baseball a joke. No proper rules, just opinions or hurt feelings of umps deciding games.
Try “MLB has an AUTHORITY problem”
It’s both. But I like the word ejection more
To be fair, all these “for not doing anything ejections” you’re right there is no hot mic’s so you don’t know if he didn’t say something to get ejected. You can’t argue balls and strikes simple as that. There are some ejections that aren’t warranted sure but a lot of the time it’s warranted.
Now I will say there are repercussions that one umpire in spring training was fired!
That is true
there was a world series ejection in 2019…davey martinez had an absolute meltdown in game 6
Yes sir, I should’ve specified I meant player ejection!
MLB has an even bigger boredom problem
Let me say this, it’s the Umpires discretion to eject a pitcher on whether or not they deemed it intentional. If you think it’s intentional than ejecting the pitcher is warned as well as the Manager.
Agree with all but Lackey. He was intentionally trying to hit Kinsler. But a warning should have been given after, not an ejection. It was not due to "lack of control"
Man hasn't pitched in live action in a month and a half and you are sure it's intentional. Unless you have psychic powers, how could you know. What bad blood did he have against Kinsler.
Bryce Harper, the biggest whiner in baseball, is a bad example. And there are protocols that should be followed, by rule. If the umpires fail to follow protocols they are disciplined accordingly.
Awful lot of empty seats in that "fans flocked to see" Beltre game.
It was 18-6 in the 8th inning
Ejections or disqualification is something that’s been in the rule book for decades. Just about anyone in the entire stadium can be removed.
They’ve changed the way pitchers get tossed. A meeting with the crew has to happen before a pitcher is removed. No more rogue home plate umpires tossing immediately based on opinion.
I thought only if there were warnings it had to be discussed? Maybe I’m wrong though, either way everything should be a discussion
@@peskytalk nope.
They initially stopped the home plate umpire from unilateral ejections of pitchers but no warnings are necessary. Only a crew meeting.
I think requiring a crew meeting for every ejection would be a bit much. While some umpires are a bit too soft and go overboard, they’re the living rule book and only authority on the field. They’re supposed to keep good order and enforce the rules.
Their authority comes straight from the commissioner. The problem is out of control umpires aren’t held accountable enough.
An arguing pitcher doesn’t require a pitcher ejection I thought. I thought it was just if a warning was being discussed or if they needed to throw the pitcher out for intentionally throwing at a batter.
@@sportsloverbaseball a pitcher arguing is definitely something to get ejected over. It’s in the rules that objecting to any call by an umpire can be grounds for an ejection. Written in the rules probably a hundred years ago.
The sport was meant to be a gentlemanly game where you left the dirt kicking tantrums up to your manager. Players were to do their best and leave the rest to their coaches and the umpires.
If the president of the United States was in the stands heckling, he could be ejected too.
@@URAWESOME94 I am aware. You stated that an umpire meeting must happen before a pitcher can get ejected. I am stating that a pitcher shouting and screaming profanities at an umpire over a missed call is ground for ejection and, in that case, the umpires would not convene.
They have a short fuse and have no reason to. If they would do their jobs better, maybe this stat would go down. They don’t like being called out in front of thousands of people. Now, some ejections are correct but the majority is not. It’s gotten worse year after year. I thought Torre being over them might help but it didn’t. I worked MLB for 4 yrs. I’m a baseball guy and the sport needs the Umps but, come on, there needs to be a circumstance for a bad call. Start suspending or fining the Umps for screw ups.
I agree, it’s because they know they made a bad call but don’t want to admit it so they take it out on the player….
@@peskytalk how do you know it is a bad call and where do you think that 99% of the ejections come from?
There *are* ejection rules but many times the umps don’t really follow them accurately
Maybe but rules that don’t get followed aren’t real rules
When it comes to your final comment about public officials; the problem is this isn't a public function. This is a Private Event on Private Property. The property owner is the one who decides who gets to get in. As well as anyone specifically appointed by the property owner to do so, like stadium security, hired officers in the crowd, and umpires. The government has no say in the rules of a baseball stadium so long as no laws are broken. The reality is, MLB can give the power to whomever they wish. They chose umps, and the umps chose to unionize. It is what it is. Maybe if enough public backlash starts hurting their bottom line, but idk if that's really gonna happen any time soon.
You’re not wrong, PERSONALLY I don’t think MLB should give them the right to eject fans, like I said there are security guards for a reason, but you do make a good point
So context on the jt one for people who dont know the pitcher that day was messing with the umpire so when the umpire threw the pitcher a new ball jt didnt realize so when he wanted another one he like oh he going to throw it to the pitcher again