Government Regulations Cause More Electrical Fires
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00:00 Electrical News Weekly 7th November 2022
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Part P is a menace. It prevents perfectly competent people, with good qualifications in electrical/electronics engineering but not working in the fitting industry, doing work on their own homes that would most likely be to at least as good a standard as the "professionals". Meanwhile, it does nothing to deter the cowboys, who continue to operate under the radar as they always did, taking ever more business as the cost of qualified personnel soars, largely due to regulatory overreach. I am not even slightly surprised that this has resulted in poorer standards of work overall.
Hm, it's definitely not a perfect solution....
Totally agree!
What a red herring. Standards have fallen due to chasing the yankee dollar caused by consumerist lifestyles and scam cost of living crisis which started in 2008 with last banking fraud. Nothing to do with Part P regulations scaring off good electricians. It costs relatively little to qualify and register
It is for regulators to check their members work. If there are cowboys blame the regulators. For well paid regulators looking the other way see FSA and 2008 banking fraud
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In my opinion it's a nonsense when a professor of electrical engineering is "not qualified" to wire his own home but a much less qualified, short course, Part P Herbert is qualified !
This is why part P should be scrapped, it’s not fit for purpose. Electrical fire have increased since the introduction of part P well there’s the proof .
To be fair I think it's a bit more complicated than that but it certainly hasn't reduced them...
I cannot agree more! I did part p as a kid and it was like, now go forth and multiply. I then did it correctly through an 4 year apprenticeship.
It’s all about money but Scotland are going in the right direction if they follow through with what’s been proposed 👍
Part P:
When I change a faulty light switch for an identical new one am I committing an offence?
What about wiring in a new consumer unit myself (then getting work inspected)
What about wiring in a electric shower myself (then getting the work inspected)
What about fitting a fused spur socket from the ring?
Generally without a full re-wire which I cannot afford or could tolerate, my 70 year old rats nest house has no chance of passing latest building regs, but anything I do will improve it.
I see the point, I'm not a qualified electrician.
But I do work with generators.
I helped an OAP today that lost a light in one room.
My god the hole house was wired up in 1940s.
No electricity contactor would touch it.
Yes i didn't see it as safe.
But I replaced a fuse wire, but told them you really do need a hole rewire to come up to code and be safe........
The wiring is approximately 80yrs old.
Now a retired spark I found numerous modern consumer unit main switch’s with heating problems. 25ml tails are not very pliable and when cut back are round, when terminating at the main switch the terminals on most if not all c/units are square and can allow heating at the terminal on load (100A) poss so watch it!
Chinese parts i guess going under british made (assembled) labels. Main switch connections are appalling difficult even with flexi tails.
Good advice, thanks Trevor. 😊
@@user-yw6qb9tt7t INMSHO the inclusion of the 100A isolator inside the CU is just stupid. It should be OUTSIDE the CU so that isolation of the CU can occur without touching a CU that is on fire!
On top if that, WHY in the name of all that is holy, does ANYONE with an ounce of sense, mandate a metal box, leave the "plastic' breakers, made of the same material (!!) and NOT instead fit a temp sensor (
Although Part P was well intentioned it will never work as there are no Part P Police. With regard to drive by tests I recently applied for a job and having an informal chat was told they do 75% tests and I would be expected to do 3 to 5 tests a day . I asked if these were to be previously tested properties and results were available from the previous tests and was told no all new tests . I declined the job offer .
Two perhaps three small houses with assess to previous test sheets maybe. But five a day with no info that’s a joke , would be a no from me too .
@@marks5226 trouble is you will get people doing it , chasing the ££'s . I have done enough testing and found faults that should have been detected years ago to know that 3 to 5 a day isn't possible.
It beggars belief that these "Drive By EICR's" are a surprise to those highly-paid top wigs in our industry. Like everybody else I've seen these adverts offering £300+ per day for doing EICR's . These companies can charge only £60 to £80 to get the volume they need. It doesn't take a maths genius to work out how little time is left for actual testing. It's an absolute disgrace the Powers that Be have not cracked down on this blatant behaviour.
Sounds like a wise decision!
even with test results available I don’t see how anyone could do more than 1 house a day, if you do the eicr as it’s supposed to be done it’s not physical possible to do it any quicker, every one who disagrees with me I can guarantee do not do them properly.
The problem is "industry must take responsibility for raising standards" doesn't mean anything as no single party has responsibility. Nothing will improve.
Well done Toby on winning the Screwfix Top Tradesperson of the year! A great achievement
Not sure how granular the data is, it would be interesting to see how many were caused by poor smart meter installation or EV chargers.
That's an interesting point to be fair. 👍
The jump in fires in 2008 is really very pronounced, and really should have provoked an investigation in 2009/2010 while the data was fresh. I think we need to try to understand what happened in 2008. Was it related to Smart Meter contract being awarded for the first time, to inexperienced firms?
My thoughts entirely. The amount of tails I come across that are tight until moved is almost 100%. Twist once left and right and another full turn can be applied to the screw, even if it was tightened to the torque spec in the first instance. Could this be also down to replacing experience with accreditation and torque tools used without settling the tail strands?
The interesting thing is, here in Germany inspections of domestic installations aren't mandatory. We test them whenever we worked on them, but usually it's we're called in for extensions, damage repair (drilled a hole into the wall and damaged a cable) or other modifications/modernisations. Most electric fires in Germany are caused by misuse of devices or appliances. For example covering ventilation openings (best with combustible materials), overload of cheap power strips and extension leads. The last thing is for example a cheap power strip with a 0.75mm² cord and connecting the dish washer, refridgerator and the microwave oven to it and hide it behind the cupboards where it can scorch without anyone noticing for quite some time.
You have those for sale? In Finland any extension less than 1.5mm2 will get a forced recall. They must be good for 16A. Fused ones could be ok, never seen it (only 32->16A CEE adapters with three fuses.)
Of course some are still very cheap and shoddy with their sockets.
@@JussiPeltola I'm not talking about the leads with one plug and one socket and a long cable in between. They must be at least 1.5 here. I mean these "one plug, 3 socket outlet"-things And everybody should know better because they show it everywhere on TV that you shouldn't use them that way! The better ones have 1.5mm², and they aren't that much more expensive:
ruclips.net/video/ld40jm3VOnU/видео.html
The thing is, you can use these with a small conductor size for lower power appliances like 3 phone chargers or so. And 0.75mm² could handle the 16A for a short period of time when the heat dissipation is good (conductor temperature is always below 70°C) and the cable length is short. The problem is no air flow, and they overload it over an extended period of time.
The CEE adapters with integrated MCBs are also available here.
@@Marcel_Germann Yes, and every such cable here is 1.5mm2, no exceptions. If it has a Schuko outlet or six of them, it must survive 16A.
Just like UK power boards have a 13A fuse and must survive that, Schuko outlets have a max fuse of 16A and extensions must survive 16A (or have their own fuse and survive its rating.)
The only exception would be ones with four 2.5A Euro outlets, I think those are 1mm2 for a sum of 10A. Still not overloadable unless you made your own device with a 2.5A plug that draws more than 2.5A.
Great news weekly as always Joe 👍
Cheers Sean! 😃
I find as a landlord part P is creating a lot of waste I have found. Perfectly good installs keep needing to be updated. How many consumer units have I thrown away that worked fine??? I'm not sure myself.
Except for needing RCD protection it is all scamola. That reminds me gotta ditch my fuel burning car and bin my gas heating system.
My opinion on the increase in fires is that plastic consumer units fitted from the introduction of part P till the all steel ones where mandated burn very well and are not self extinguishing plastic.
Great news update, thanks Joe 👍👊
I would like to know if this increase is in relatively new or older properties. You could assume it's in the old properties with the older standards of CUs fitted with less protection, but I hear far more issues with newer properties. The money that new house builders pay for first fix means they have to be done at a stupid speed for elecs to make any money. Years ago it was fully trained elecs that did this work, nowadays its an 'electrical crew' with training to perform the task. The price that house buliders put on any extra sockets means a lot of buyers go for the minimum then get someone in to add at a later date. Having witnessed electrical cable installs where the cable has been pulled through harshly and stripped off part of it's outer insulation. No testing picked this up as it was 'ok' electrically. I agree with others that part 'P' has worsened standards. There are many people that work in an electrical engineering role who have great electrical skills and who do a good job. As others have said part 'p' has helped the cowboys instead of preventing them. I know you can't have a 'free for all' but why was the old data lower and relatively constant when competent persons could do the basic work.
Here's a thought. Was it actually the ever growing number of reasons to have to regularly change consumer units that caused more installations to be needlessly meddled with, and hence the same "cowboy factor" as before having more effect on the stats?
For all I despise Part P and the madness of the current arrangements, and the fact they simply don't deter cowboys anyway and just make things worse and more expensive for the rest of us...... can it really be true that the less likely the work is to need someone on the competent person scheme, the safer the work will be?! I struggle to buy that.
This is a really interesting point to be fair...
If the IET mandated some standards and made modules compatible there should be few reasons to replace them.
Changing a consumer unit should not cause a fire. Shoddy workmanship does. Blame the greed for money which causes this caused by consumerism, debt based lifestyles and manipulated cost of living crisis which started in 2008 with the biggest ever banking fraud until the next one due very soon. Also blame regulators for not checking work enough or being afraid to as it may be rascist.
I agree to some degree about needless consumer unit changes. The race to the bottom and people who don't know better. However, it is still something I would do to ensure I had additional protection (RCD's) on at least socket circuits. The solution is yet another consumer unit change to retro fit AFDD's which you can be sure will be in the 19th for a 16A or higher circuit.... Also because we persist in having ring finals - to carry out the tests you have to break the ring. Most sparks will do it at the CU. Guess where we get the fires? Outdated things like spurs from rings.... why oh why to we still permit this?
Before the introduction of partP I helped run a campaign against the introduction, and everything we based our campaign on has come to pass! So what causes these fires? firstly the piss poor terminations in MCB's RCD's and incomers. I have had many of these simply fall to peices when tightened because of the lack of metal in the clamps, so the connectiond come loose. Torque tightening is a method of stressing the clamp to its maximum, so that you don't break it, not a safe way of terminating a cable, I was trained 1967 on and we were trained to tighten the screws "till the brass squeaked" Tightening one of the modern style terminations to the same torque and they literally fall to peices! Second problem is the ease with which you can get the cable or bus bar on the wrong side of the clamp and think it is tight, but it isn't and it will overheat with predictable results! This is not a quality of training issue, it is a piss poor manufacturing issue, and something that could not happen with the old style brass screw terminals. Then we come on to the actuall use of the MCB's First and foremost, they do not fail safe, and therefore after they have failed, and a fault occurs, the next line of protection is the cut out fuse@ 60amp minimum, and possibly 100 amp! Guess what happens when you put 100 amps through a 6amp mcb? anyone remember the IEE regulation that said" No mechanical device must be fitted to any circuit as the SOLE means of protection against overload or fault currents" The quiet disposal of this reg is the reason Consumer units catch fire!! then of course we have the Vastly complex language mangling gobbldegook in the IET regulations, many of wich have wide interpretations. Any regulation should be written in such a way as to allow NO room for interpretation, and that is how the IEE used to write them, Clear instruction, easy to understand and put into practice. Am I right? the massive increas in electrical fires, despite the expensive training, all the fancy termination equipment, and equipment made from flammable materials? What did you expect? the old fashioned Wylex was made from phenolic resin, if it overheated it did not catch fire, and let out a smell so foul that you knew something was wrong immediately! Perhaps it was a mistake to have involved equipment manufacturers (importers?) in making the regulations, but when every CU is filled with MCB's full of Chinese electronics, even if the are not counterfeit ones. I am really glad to be retired from an industry where about 1 in 5 electricians have a deep understancing of electrical theory, and the other four just "follow the book"
Rant over!
Phil
As big Clive's video on the Dubai lamp shows it is easy and better for LED's to drive more of them less hard so they are more efficient, cooler and longer lasting.
A great example of why correlation is NOT causation.
Agreed, I think they got a bit carried away in post. 🤔
Fire investigators never seem to smell the petrol at pub fires. Oh it must be the wiring...yeah for the cannabis farm they fail to notice either.
Galactic Battenberg 😂
Good guesses, make sure you're listening next week to see how you got on. 😊
Battenburg and Hydrabaddi for this weeks words
So far on my 20 year old house with a recent loft conversion, various fully qualified (not just part P) electricians have, amongst other things:
- Left a live bare-ended cable coiled up behind the dot and dab, in close proximity to a gas pipe. (since new build, just discovered it!)
- Broken the retaining clips on the junky plastic consumer unit cover, making it possible to stick your finger inside and potentially onto a conductor.
- Extended a socket ring - also happens to be the kitchen ring - across three floors to save some effort in installing a new ring for the conversion.
- Left numerous gangly and inaccessible choc-block connections between floors without enclosure or strain relief.
None of it is the end of the world, but as someone who is electrically unqualified but spent several years installing large commercial AV systems around country, the sloppiness irks me. I know there are excellent trades out there, but there seem to be so many crap ones now too. I'm not at all surprised that folks try to do it themselves. Frankly, many probably carry out minor works to a better standard. Increased regulation of Part P installers wouldn't have touched any of this.
How did you know that they were “Electricians” did you ask to see their Gold ECS card? Anyone can masquerade as an electrician in the UK. Especially in the domestic realm. I worked with a bloke in Essex who called himself an “Electrician” to then come clean and admit he has only been doing it for a couple of years.
@@jurassicsparks5220 No idea about the chumps who wired the place at new build, but the latter work was carried out by a registered NICEIC Domestic Installer and lodged a ‘NICEIC record for Circuit alteration or addition in a special location’ with building control. I don’t even know what a ‘Gold ECS’ card is?
@@graphnicmedia There’s your problem straight away “Domestic installer”
A Gold ECS is what you get when you complete a recognised “Time served”apprenticeship and meet the requirements as set out by The J.I.B. 9 times out of 10 anyone who holds an ECS card should know what they’re doing.
@@jurassicsparks5220 In the eyes of the average domestic customer, an NICEIC registered electrician who is qualified to carry out the full gamut of domestic works should at a minimum be able to carry out all those works with skill and competence. They aren’t masquerading as electricians, they are legally certified to carry out the work. Now if they aren’t, in fact, competent, then the system is broken and there needs to be better safeguards in place to weed them out. What hacks me off as someone with some skills, but by no means the full complement, is that when I pay good money to people legally certified to carry out the work, they do it to a standard that, in part, falls short of my own! We’re all saying the same thing. People selling their services as ‘electricians’ should jolly well be able to do it properly!
@@graphnicmedia exactly, but a 6 week “Domestic installer” that calls themselves an “Electrician” is masquerading as an Electrician. That’s my point.
Correlation doesn't equal causation! The world has changed since 2005
Very fair point this, I think our team in post got a bit carried away with titling etc! 😂
What I see in the fire data is a single step change between 2008 & 2010, and a slow fall otherwise. A step change isn't likely to be anything to do with regulations - they take time to spread through the housing stock. On the other hand, as mentioned in the E&T article, the fire services changed their reporting system in 2009. It seems far more likely that the revised reporting puts around 2000 more fires down to electrical distribution than before.
Yeah in Finland they classify food or newspaper burning on the electric cooker as an electrical fire.
That is then a perfect argument for more regulations for installations.
Great video.
Cheers James, who knows, there might be a better one coming up soon.... 😉
Freaking hell... there is NO MORE legislation necessary.. FACT.. Those fines handed out were stupidly LOW and indeed "Where was the Prison Sentence?"..... EAWR >>> PUWER>>> both cover the responsibilities Regulation 14 Working ON or near LIVE conductors precautions or you GO to JAIL.
I'm not sure which words you manage to shoehorn in? Although I do fancy a slice of battenburg!
Ooh, you might have one of them! Tune in next week to find out! 😃
I have the same periodic table mug.
Ha! Noice, mine was a gift from friends, it's my go to mug for my morning coffee. ☕
@@efixx i have flags of the world and uk monarchs (sadly now out of date) great for pub quiz prep
How many of these 'electrical' fires are due to cheap or poorly designed appliances plugged in to safe installations? Clearly there is an issue with dodgy certificates, especially EICRs, but there are much wider issues than just blaming Part P.
What a surprise that making it harder and more expensive and reducing the supply of workers to actually fix your installation results in people not doing it.
And yes, adding more rules for the people who follow rules mean more people stop following them.
Correlation doesn't equal causation. The massive spike looks like it correlates with the indtruction of halogen downlights. The number I've seen burnt out is incredible. The number is trending downwards despite the rise in electrical use. Houses have loads of circuits compared to the 6-8 that was normal in the past. The rise of EV charging and induction hobs surely means our systems are under more strain than even before. The rise in fires probably has more to do with that than not allowing Barry Bodger to do his own LX.
Part P was about tax it was never about safety! It was so they could trace what work you are doing and nothing else, if it was about safety why is that part p is not recognised as a qualification in the industrial environment.
How the UK can implement Boil in the bag courses to then become a domestic installer is beggars belief.
Good luck dealing with that one!
Galactic and Liberating are my choice of words for this week
Good guesses Sergio, make sure you're listening next week to see if you're right! 😃
At 4:10 if it uses the WiFi in the room and detects disturbance. That is a sensor. So it is using a sensor.
You say a presence detector without a detector, would you not say the device measuring the wifi in the room is not a detector? Regardless what it looks at in the room is it not actively detecting it for measurement and assessment therefore it has a detector.
What might be better description here is it uses no emitter technology like IR or microwaves which then rebound to a collector.
Yes, that's a fair point of semantics...
Wot if there is no Wi-Fi or it`s not strong enough !!!!!!!!!! ???????????????
@@pjeaton58 unless there is a local area blackout then your house is full of WiFi signal of many strength, I assume it watches for recognised disturbances in the force ;), only occasion your observation would be thought for concern if its remote from usual WiFi signals.
Ps treat WiFi like radio waves, you can often tune into hundreds of channels in your house whether your playing the radio or not.
Contact with OH powerlines incidents are tragic and completely avoidable. [On a technical note, the line-to-line voltage is 11kV. The voltage across the plant likely in contact with a single OH conductor is the is the line-to-earth voltage, nominally 6.35kV. No better a problem and definitely no consolation for the unfortunate worker.]
Hey That's me in Gordons Holiday Pictures.
Thanks for looking after him! 😁
@@efixx The Pleasure was all mine.
Part P was never going to solve the issue it was intended to... Cowboys and bodgers don't care and will carry on doing what they've always done, instead it penalises the competent DIYer.
I paid £100s to raise a building notice for my rewire, the BCO sent their electrical subbies to test and inspect. My mate bodged the crap out of his wiring and when this came to light when selling his house he simply had to buy an indemnity for £50.
And at no point did he have to explain the regs to an electrician, and pull out a copy of BS7671 to prove to said electrician that he wasn't talking rubbish.
I'd be interested in a scheme where BCOs will charge a nominal fee (£20? £50?) for an electrically- trained building inspector to do a quick inspection of DIY electrical work instead of building notices and now EICRs at homeowner's expense. But again that would only be the competent DIYers who know what they're doing anyway... Mr Bodgit will still be spurring off with the cheapest flex he could find in Poundland to fit his dodgy eBay socket plates, or cheapo lights with a chock block shoved into the ceiling.
When I suggested the two words (correctly) last week there were no other comments at all! - hmmmm
Hiya, I've just doubled checked and you and the other guy must have typed your answers within moments of each other. You wouldn't have seen his unless you refreshed your page as comments don't appear automatically in real time. He was definitely ahead of you I'm afraid. 😕
I think the best way to reduce fires, is to remove all the short electrical courses that are being offered to people, the ones that are about 6 weeks long and that say, after completing this training course you can join the NIC EIC and start a business,
I think there should be only two ways to become an electrician, full apprenticeship, or evening courses for mature students including the NVQ 3 portfolio and the AM2, then you are require a licence to practice as electrician, the JIB gold card goes some way to sorting the good from the bad, but I know people who have gotten gold cards through other means, which really should not be allowed anywhere near electricity.
It clear to me that correct training is needed rather than more legislation.
It's defo a big part of the solution. 👍
It doesn’t matter any more whether the short courses are there or not - the NiC/NAPIT rules have changed and you can’t get on a scheme now without an NVQ. So what you’re asking for is here already.
@@sunthroughtheblinds I’m sure you can still register as a domestic installer with out an NVQ, what I am trying to say more is the short courses produce a large amount of people who think they are qualified and they find there way into the industry and on job sites and produce a large amount of low quality work and some of it might go unchecked and that’s when you start to get problems, there needs to be one qualification and one standard and that is it, nothing else.
@@Danny-204 yes, for jobs where you don’t need to be on a scheme it’s definitely a potential issue
I take your point but without the option of such courses in my particular situation being older I would have been blocked from qualifying full stop.. Needless to say a course alone doesn’t give you the practical skills so I’ve had to work at it with another good sparky. I’ve built my business up but a fair percentage of the people I see taking these courses will never make it on their own anyway. It’s all very well doing a course but running a business that pays is another thing altogether.
I don’t think it’s just the Regulations or courses causing safety issues.
Don’t forget that in reality some of the big companies who get the big contracts to max out profits put pressure on the sparks into getting the jobs done quickly. This is definitely an issue around testing and installation. The time pressures take the pride out of the job and introduce the temptation to cut corners. Maybe that’s something to look at.
Furthermore there’s been a shortage of trades for ages so we have to fill the gaps somehow. Courses offer a way to do that. Not everyone mature or youth can afford the time or cost to do weeks and weeks of training and still earn and pay bills to get a gold card.
Blimey, the poor dude that got zapped by 11kv they say. What was he doing, sitting across 2 phases?
Galactic Battenburg, I reckon!
Not sure how the new Part P legislation would increase fires? Surely if there were fewer (or no) inspections before the legislation and the inspections after the legislation are inadequate or not being don't then what exactly has changed to increase the number of fires?
Letting untrained short course pretend electricians loose on peoples houses.
@@simonaragon1992 removing the more law abiding and perfectly capable people who do not do enough of domestic to justify scheme membership, but used to do occasionals. At the shallow end of the market this leaves only those outfits that 'pile high, sell cheap' and have one QS and lots of monkeys, or the chancers who either do not know, or do not care, that they should be following some rules. A competent commercial spark doing repairs for family and friends as weekend beer money now should not do so. Such folk were a lifeline at the poor housing and cheap end of the business.
England and Wales HMO's and HHSRS for housing so WTF is going on?????
Madness isn't it?
So basically what you are saying is that before part P when anyone could call themselves electricians, there where less fires. I was a timeserved electrician from back in the 60s,but now because of part P I cant do any work in my own property because I am not part P compliant, but some of those who are, can test multiple properties a day, something that is imposible to do correctly and get away with it.
Galactic and heartiest
Good guesses, tune in next week to see if you're right! 😃
PART P is not perfect but it has stopped thousands of kitchen fitters and plumbers bodging in electrics in kitchens and bathrooms . Majority of the general public know installations need signing off .
If you are going to blame something blame capitalism and the manufacturers of consumer units . The old wylex consumer units with 2 x screws per terminal were a great example of how to do it right . simply adding an extra screw per terminal would eliminate loose connections and now we have consumer units costing + £200 with spds etc with the source of the problem still not fixed .
You also have a large majority of the electrical workforce being paid peanuts in employment getting taxxed to the eyeballs .At the end of the day they dont give a shit about going the extra mile to make sure connections are tight etc .
Some good points here.
I think the strength of everything is rubbish as the quality has been driven out of everything. There's barely any material for thread in some connection so now we need torque drivers?
Battenberg and Boffins for the words of the day?
Could be, could be, make sure you're listening next week to see if you're right! 👍
It's all crazy , why do they keep changing regs when the science of electric has never changed , it's all about being a tightwad , modern connectors / jb's etc have no contact area any more everything is too small , bring back (slight) over engineering to keep things safe FFS .
The words have to be boffins and Battenberg.
A slice of batenburg
t bags
Sounds delightful! 😊
Galactic Spectacular
Mystery words of the week: galactic and stringent?
Great guesses Ian, tune in next week to see if you got it right! 😃
Battenburg and Hydrabaddi
Good guesses, see if you've got it right next week! 😃
Well done Joe
Cheers Torchy! 😃
Continuum and Meta ;P. LOL
Good guesses, make sure you're listening next week to see if you're right! Looking forward to the predictions for next week too! 😃
@@efixx Welp, I owe Meg a tenner now, but next weeks is pusillanimous and growler. Not sure if her crystal balls are out of phase.
Galactic and Battenberg for the two words
Great guesses Lee, listen in next week to see if you're right! 👍
Im qualified, been so for 40 odd years and I have very high standards. I have seen the crap standard and quality of the so called registered and professional companies. I won't let them near my house, I'll still do my own work in my own house. I dont give a stuff what the law says.
Boffins spectacular
Nice guesses, make sure you're tuned in next week to see if you got em! 😊
How many properties have been built since 2005, the figure is bound to rise as a percentage. Depending on how many units built it could actually have decreased.
What's that Disraeli quote about statistics? 😂
the newer the installation, the more common the fires! the media tells us that housebuilding is at an all time LOW!
@@philhermetic That's true as well. Some of the people I work with shouldn't be allowed anywhere near tools. Lack of quality apprenticeships, poor management, ridiculous time scales for the shareholders, you name it and it's gone wrong. Construction is at an all time low.
the financial advice is wrong - a business makes no money until it is paid for the work (indeed for many sub contractors sending a "Request / Demand for Payment - which is non VATable but has the VAT element of (any discounted) work value declared on it along with request for self-billing (reverse charge) invoice from the customer or VAT Receipt issued on receipt of funds. about the only customers I did not do this for were private individuals and local/govt authorities.
Part P, the ridiculous volume of paperwork, and stupid registration system are all red tape that achieve nothing at all. Civil servants and experts always want to measure, and codify everything. The whole thing is bonkers. Look at how the USA does it instead. You do the work and you pay the local authority inspector to inspect to the code. They visually inspect it, but do not use expensive test equipment. You pay the county inspector to do the inspection, but you don't have the stupid paperwork costs, registration costs. Result? Same end cost to the consumer, but the work is done right, and approved by someone who does not profit by cutting corners. The fees paid cover the cost of the inspectors. Our system is entirely tick box and pointless.
Still vauge, could be old existing installations causing fire that haven't been disturbed by DIY etc.
True, true.
No not at all if old existing installations were at fault the the IET and the HSE would not recognise and accept them as being safe for continued service, the problem is down to DIYers and people who are poorly or untrained and don’t understand what they are dealing with.
@@Dog-whisperer7494 I'd suspect that forcing DIYers to hide their work and not ask for help and advice when they need it is to blame. Plenty of people did their own electrical work without issue for a long time, then they are alienated and suddenly there are safety issues? Suspicious.
@@yngndrw. yes I think I agree. I’am not saying all DIYers are bad and don’t know what they are doing. There are who do do fantastic work, but there’s a hell of a lot more that don’t have a clue when it comes to the electrical stuff.and won’t ask for help simply because they think they know what they are doing.
@@Dog-whisperer7494 eicr isn't mandatory for home owners so how would you know if a 30+ year old installation was in good condition... You couldn't know.
No idea what a hydrabaddi is though
Me neither...
Possible a super vilan
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Galactic Battenberg
Well if they're the wrong words you've got yourself a brilliant band name there... 😂
Buffins & Battenberg
Galactic and Battenberg
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Was the words uopt and hydropatty??
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@@efixx 😲🤔😭
Bogey Box....Snot a good name. Proabably want to rebrand that
😂 I think it's more as in Bogeyman.
The regulations themselves will not be what is causing an increase in the amount of fires. It could be more the case that people are having shoddy cowboy work done and as times move on there are more and more electronic devices in our homes all pulling power to the levels probably not seen 20 years ago. Things like mobile phones being left charging overnight, pc's and more and more powerful consoles, bigger TVs, smart home systems and so much more now being powered in our homes. So much more opportunity for something yo go wrong.
"Things like mobile phones being left charging overnight, pc's and more and more powerful consoles, bigger TVs, smart home systems"
None of those are an issue they are low power appliances all well below a kilowatt.
@@alouisschafer7212 my point I'd not how much they draw but how many things are drawing power, each thing cable of going wrong and having an issue and then causing a problem. The amount of homes you see using extension lead after extension lead, chargers and plugs that have been battered and the cables hanging on for dear life but still being used with a bit of tape around them. There's no wonder fires happen more
Hi , you never got this many fires in properties years ago , that were blamed on installations , ever since they brought in, plastic consumer units and every thing now made in CHINA to very poor standards . When we had local Electricity Boards , there seemed to be some standards and respect . Now the chap who fitted our Smart meter , was a plaster all his working life and eight weeks later , fitting gas and electric meters . ? When they stop selling electrical and plumbing products to the public , like in the USA and AUSTRAILA , things might change . 11 K volts , the chap is lucky to be alive as he was only doing his job , and yes the site safety were lacking in all ways . WHO inducted who on what ? MAY WE ASK ? 🤔 I could go on all day🤐ok I,M GONE .
Better not reach for Australia as an example, where DIY is almost banned, without looking at New Zealand, where the regs are the same but DIY is permitted. It is of course NZ that has fewer fires and electrocutions per head of population.
Yeah because drive by EICRs are only done by domestic installers 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Absolutely it’s causing more fires. People put emotions in front of facts. The truth is overregulation causes more harm than good.
Utter nonsense.
@@deang5622 guessing you’re a spark? The issue is the dodgy daves are going to carry on regardless of the regulations in place. What you end up stopping are those who are competent but don’t want to bend over for scheming napit or niciec
Swimming pool and battenberg
I said, I said, I said, good guesses!
Galactic hyderabaddy
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I owe mistic meg a fiver.
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Don't forget the non electrical minded people messing with the electrics ...there answer well it works is not satisfactory.
Maybe some of the problems are people taking a quick buck for signing off other peoples work who don’t appear on the forms.
Ripples battenburg ???
Yup, you might be right about that.
Good guesses on this week's words. 💪
The boggy box am Thinking some BS there as acknowledgement needs to be transmitted back. And over 5Km that is a long long way. For 3 X AA cells to power. As a radio ham seeing is believing.
Have a look at Andreas Spiess content...
@@jmileshc as he did say line of sight so needs antennas. Am smelling BS
@@alunroberts1439 I design with the Lora Stuff - the key is the bandwidth is very low so the SNR is excellent - think like wspr on HF;-)
Galactic & Buffins
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Part P not working, will who would have thought that. You have so called experts designing this red tape nonsense, who couldn't find their back side in a funnel. Deal with the cause, not the symptoms.
As for the IET, they are partly to blame 😂😂
Not sure how the IET are to blame? 🤔
@@efixx so the government drew up this plan by themselves with no knowledge of the electrical industry.
You don't think the IET would have been consulted, seen as they only write the regulations 🙄
Do you know this for a fact or are you surmising? We've got the IET coming in soon. 🤔
LoRa is pronounced like the girls name!
I tried reporting a solar extension with batteries in a care home which had ZERO paperwork. They had added the ac output from new 2 or 3kWp solar to switch of existing 6kWp system. The 6kWp was on 4mm2 but should have been on 6mm2, then decided to downgrade 4mm2 to 2.5mm2. No wonder it felt hot as I tried to understand what they had done. Luckily they had fitted a 20A breaker so it kept tripping out. The company that sold it was a lead generator, no MCS and not electrically registered. Original 6kWp had a G59 but not G99 for addition! MCS didn't want to know, I think they should be made to investigate. Electrician was most probably registered but my customer did not have any of his details. A tonne of other irregularities.
battenberg & chicken hyderabadi
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Joe any ideal what the power factor is on these super efficient LED lamps ? Have to watch POS garbage LED'S from cheating china. Have seen some have a power factor as low as 0.5. So that garbage lamp would consume almost twice as much power as a LED lamp with a 0.95 power factor.
That is a really good question to be fair. I don't know it off the top of my head but we'll look into it. 👍
That's not how power factor works. For the example of a 'perfect' capacitor (no internal resistance) placed across the line; As the line voltage rose in the first quadrant of the AC sine wave, the capacitor will charge, drawing current. In the second quadrant, as the voltage falls, that charge will flow back into the line. The same will happen in the third and forth quadrants, but in opposite polarities. No energy has been dissipated in the perfect capacitor and the average current over the whole cycle is zero. The power factor would be zero.
The currents could actually be quite high and the wiring would have to be able to support them. A real world non 'perfect' capacitor would have internal resistance, so the current flowing in and out would cause some loss (heating) and real world wires would have resistance and the current flowing in them would generate heat.
@@efixx Perhaps do a feature on power factor, the commentor above clearly doesn't understand it.
Side note I have seen a utube vidio mentioning that a LED with a low power factor uses more power then a high PF LED. Have sent question to at least 3 companies that sell LED 'S on the Internet what is the exact power factor for the most common A lamp replacement the old 60 watt light bulb. Of course none replied. One of the old timer inspectors at continuing education class often remind us that bulbs go into the ground and lamps go into luminares. ( Remember no such thing anymore in NEC called a light fixture ). Stopped purchasing or using any LED'S made in cheating lack of quality control communist china. Purchased LED'S made by two cheating china companies. 4 out of the 16 lamps failed within a month, two others started performing Morse code after on for a minute. Yep long & short flashes of light. You would think that with ever stricter energy codes somebody would make a law that all LED'S must have a PF if at least 90% . Years ago our local electrical supplier would charge a surcharge in all non residential customers who's PF dropped below 90%. Several times we had to add additional 3' high capacitor banks to avoid low PF surcharge.
@@EVguru Paul I know that the electric power provider adds a surcharge to non residential customers who's PF drops below 90% for at least the last 60 years. If a commercial customer load was say 75 KVA and had low power factor that it requires a larger transformer. I've been out of school over 50 years and can not remember the exact terms on PF.
Mamy so called installers can't ots that simple a few weeks course with no experience and they are off wiring houses and units mostly in the new build game using impact drivers to tighten screws not really checking torques add to that the stupid prices many want to charge and consumers simply go cowboy
It's a problem... 🤔
Boffin
Get rid off part p
Thanks for commenting. 👍
I have been saying that for years.
It’s ruined our industry
Galactic and Battenberg
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