EV Charger REVIEW: Cheapest, Smartest and easiest to install with EV Nick.
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2024
- We welcome Nicholas Raimo back to the channel to discuss EV charger installation. Over the last few months, Nick (AKA EV Nick) has been busy testing and reviewing most of the electric vehicle chargers available in the UK market.
Which EV chargers have the lowest total install cost? which one is the smartest and we join in for which ones we like and are easiest to install.
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00:00 EV charger review - cheapest, smartest and easiest
00:27 EV Nick
01:07 Rolec has gone missing
02:01 Price and how easy it is to install
03:36 Farmyard
03:54 Leaver style connectors
04:13 Check the torque settings
04:21 Aggressive wrist
05:08 No room for the cables
05:27 Very little Nick
05:46 Shrinking EV chargers
06:55 Earth rod
08:25 NO OZEV grant
09:56 Octopus energy
11:34 It's not all about looks Gary
12:51 EV cars charging at a cheaper rate
13:35 EV cars 75 or 100 kwh
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Please don’t throw away your Rolec chargers it is important that we upgrade things. These chargers are easily upgraded. I use Octopus Go tariff so fitted a timing module next to the RCBO and linked it to the communication cable to the EV. These chargers have easy available spares and are very easily to upgrade. I love the way they just use a din rail and there is plenty of space.
I personally prefer to avoid WIFI switching and apps as they are less reliable.
Best explanation of EV Chargers 🔌 I’ve seen. Felt like sitting in a classroom on day one !
I’d like to see more of this subject explained in this level of detail guy’s. Once again, great video
Thanks Hugh!
Thank you Efixx for producing so much great content. 👍
I recently did a commercial twin outlet single phase Rolec. Customer decided that 22kW was pointless since their Polestar cars would only charge at 11kW anyway. Reasonable looking box but internals were clearly an afterthough, couldn't reach the screws on the RCD at the top to check tightness, designed to hang on the top screws making it very hard to keep water out without sealing round the entire box and even worse for a single phase product, both outlets had been combined thus requiring a 63A single feed off a single phase!! Who is going to do that unless a 300A supply? Had to separate out the outlets for two supplies thus destroying the warranty. Obviously had no PEN fault protection and had two install 2 GARO upstream! What is the benefit of having upstream RCDs now other than saving money for the manufacturer? Real fun testing the units and running back to consumer unit for every trip! Final nail in Rolec's coffin was the fact that if the RCD tripped inside the unit, 6 security screws have to be removed to allow reset and the silly lights on the unit 24 hours really attracted the wrong sort of attention. Rolec deserve to lose their market entirely with this sort of poor design.
Another point often missing is the reliance on WiFi at the location of the charge point - my WiFi is not great outside the house. Should us electricians also have to deal with WiFi issues?
I try to avoid charge points that only support WiFi, can not be used without a phone app, have no RCD A type + DC protection + PEN fault protection or use Raspberry Pie controllers which are a poor excuse for proper PCB design.
Finally, it would be great if you can also highlight what support of OCPP actually means. Charge points with this protocol can be connected to different back ends and not tied to the manufacturer (Zappi is an example of one that can only talk to Myenergi because it has no OCPP support)
Great job though, love your videos
Can you look at diversity within a typical home as it feels the existing calculations are perhaps no longer appropriate. For example, the MD of my home was calculated by an EV installer as 69A yet our house typically pulls about 55A of an early evening before the 7kW EV charger is installed. With an 80A main fuse this will overload the fuse? (the EV charger to be installed - BP Pulse - cannot load balance).
Fascinating - who would have thought that "just charging something" had so many considerations. I remember when there was a discounted tarrif for off peak heating. How long did that last!!
I see offpeak charging being less of a thing but more demand side response being the new thing and they should be long term as renewbals can go up and down
I still have an off peak heating tariff. Use it for hot water in the summer.
im getting a vw id3 and will need a 7kw charger. I want to lay the cable through the loft before the builders convert the upstairs to rooms. It will be a 20mtr run total inside and external. Do I need 6mm armoured cable or 10mm. Thanks
Ohme might be supplying Motability customers shortly, giving an option over the BP Pulse charger currently supplied.
I was glued to this one, have you done a presentation yet on solar charging, e.g what is the average solar output of a single panel, what is the minimum amount of panels to charge at 7.2Kwh, are there solar EV grants available and so on.
Kind regards
It depends, but you can get a good idea of average yields for an installation here: re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/#PVP
If you put in a nominally 1kW array, the angle, orientation and where you'd install it you can get curves giving you the average yield month by month.
You could do 7.2kW with a 7.2kW array in May but you might be looking at a 72kW array to do the same on a grey January morning. Unless you're in a hurry it would be easier to limit charge power a bit.
Depending on where you are it can also make a huge difference. Central northern England (around Leeds for instance) is pretty bad for irradiation and you can over-spec an array 30-40% or more over inverter capacity before you start noticing any reduction in yield.
@@tceng9449 this is fantastic data, it gives me a good footing to carry out further research. 👍
Wireless CT option in zappi still makes it the easiest to install in my honest opinion.
Surprised the ProjectEV Pro Earth was not shown. Is a good charger with built in pen fault detection etc.
I will definitely be fitting P.V. & battery's & upgrading my hot water tank because of the recent energy bill increases. When complete my aim is to be gas free & lower reliance from the electricity grid. It looks like my gas & electric will cost around 3k a year. Luckily I have a large roof facing due South, I have experience building battery strings & I also did the niceic P.V. course a few years ago.
In a domestic environment I always fit tethered units. IMO Zappi for ease of installation, especially it you have solar and not too bad on the eyes, however if you install a Harvi it does reduce the installation to 65 Amps. for value Ohme, how ever you fit it you can't getaway from the fact it's butt ugly. The Hypervolt is very popular at the moment, I like the fact you have to install A Type RCD at source with these.
As you have all those units available, can you measure their standby power draw - for something that's powered 24/7, this could add up to a non-trivial cost.
The draws on them pretty dull in standby on most the more popular units however may be another Collab with efixx testing just that
Yes Mike a good idea - one of the units has a fan for ventilation which suggests higher losses. We also want to explore charging losses.
@@efixx The Hypervolt EV charger has a fan, which is mainly for other continents, UAE etc
@@azzurrielectrical2317 so why do they add the expense including two breathable membrane vents to all units?
@@efixx I do not know, probably to justify the price of the unit, sorry I look inside these EV chargers think I why are these units so expensive.
Is it worth getting battery storage and one of these energy saving tariffs, then use the batteries during the higher peak periods?
Depends on the cost of battery but it can be
Great vid gents thanks! And Nice plug for EVNick too, not seen him previously.
Sadly what you’re discussing towards the end video, sounds like a nightmarish disaster in the making, where only the consumer is going to lose. I’m thinking about the smart meter rollout as a working example, where in my own circumstance, the house I recently moved to had a smart meter installed before my ownership, which neither of the suppliers I’ve had since moving could use. I’m certain that’s not an isolated case.
Similarly if you consider common issues encountered on EICRs for fairly well established standards, how the grossly inconsistent and standardisation neglected car charger market is ever going to deliver a reliable functional product with any longevity is beyond me. And that’s now at present before any ‘smart’ controls and variable tariffs.
If only we had a body of Electrical Engineers whose job it was work with industry to develop and set solid rules for these sort of things. 🤪
Cheers Andrew
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I'm trying to get my head round loss of fuel duty to the excheqer as vehicles move over to electric and how this must surely ramp up domestic electricity charges for all of the homes usage or will individual smart appliances talk to the meter to invoke their own kwh rate or is it more about load balancing for the grid? Seems metering may get quite complicated.
Road pricing may be part of the solution. The government also collects 20% VAT from commercial EV chargers
@@efixx yes just read an article, sounds like smart vehicle tracking of miles travelled then taxed which is proportional to road wear and tear and usage. Pool vehicles will probably become the norm as private ownership is phased out so vehicle would likely require the driver to log in to the vehicle to determine who should be charged the fee. Interesting developments ahead.
I have a prediction on my YT channel about how this may be done but one fair method is a PER Mile cost and reported yearly via your MOT or other means and tailed up when you sell a car
@@NicolasRaimo the smart grid will be a control / tracking system so when the digital id and digital currency(cashless) is fully operational i would imagine the tracking data from the journey would be instantly invoiced and funds taken from the drivers account rather than building up a debt and pay later. This will smooth government cashflow also.
I'm assuming all these variable tariffs will only apply if you have a smart meter, otherwise how does the energy company know what time you're drawing current from the grid?
@PETER WILSON Thanks Peter, I didn't realise the apps reported to the suppliers. I don't have an EV or EV charger, or plan to get one.
Any comments on Project EV chargers as all the local installers are recomending them? - Rolec Now do a smart one? Also what is going to happen to the smart capability of the company goes Bust/ stope producing it, Few chargers seam to be using the open OCPP protocol for the domestic setting?
I should have rolec coming to my channel soon John
@@NicolasRaimo Thanks Any idea when? As just looking what charger to go with
@@j.knight Rolec said they are sending it me... so no idea its not arrived yet
I’d love to know what the consumer’s preference tend to be for….. right now I am looking at either the Indra pro or the Hypervolt. Any feedback from users or indeed from professional fitters would be most welcome.
You may not be a FAN of one of them
I'm watching this with interest from Australia. Is there a reason that Andersen isn't in the collection? I see they're fitted by at least one YT Spark
Contacted them to send me a unit 12 months ago under the same terms of every charge point shown behind us for this video, Didn't want to take part under the same terms wanted special terms just for them which I wasn't willing to flex for 1 company over the other 9, Tried them one last time 2 weeks before filming this video never got a reply to that contact.
@@NicolasRaimo thank you!
They removed their inbuilt RCD protection last time we went to fit one, I think Jordan and Cory from Artisan found the same issue. Anderson also removed the hard wired connection for networking so they're only wifi enabled now. It's a very nice aesthetic charging point but outside of listed buildings and Porsche dealers bundling them with the Taycan it's dropped off for us. It's a shame as we did have a pending order for 2 dozen but client ended up going with Zappi instead.
@@NicolasRaimo trying there best as company to destroy themselves
zappi is the OG and still the only one that does everything you need.
Has the UK got enough grid capacity for everyone to plug in a 7Kw EV at 32 amps all at
the same time ie. overnight ????????????? Plus night storage heaters if fitted ???
Acording to the interview I did with Graeme Cooper of the national grid YES, however as mentioned in video lots of these chargers no able to do grid side response and customers are paid in taking part.
Interesting as ever. I fear that in a few years electricity during the night will cost the same as during the day as "off peak" demand for domestic dwellings could be greater than their day time demand. Solar of course does not work very well "off peak" unless you have storage batteries. I still don't think most of the cables and transformers under the control of our DNO's feeding our homes will cope during the night with many homes possibly drawing a continuous 7 Kw load (electrical infrastructure in my area is 47 years old). We also will have to provide the power to charge the 2 million plus white vans up every night and they may have even greater energy requirements. Not forgetting all the heat pumps which due to low temperature heat output making you leave your heating on 24/7 (perhaps an additional 22 million 3Kw or more load on the network).
One of our highest call outs in the south east currently is pen faults and low incoming voltage due to aging infrastructure (late 40s early 50s - 70-80 years old). It's already causing issues if only one or two people have EV's charging at any time (natural gas mainstay area so hasn't shown as an issue up until now).
Exciting times :) the french certainly built out their grid to supply heat a few decades back
"Many homes" will charge ~450km worth of electricity each and every night? How do you come to that conclusion? That's about 13 times the average daily distance driven for cars in Germany, I find it hard to believe that Brits drive so much more...
"Wholesale prices are through the roof at the moment"
2022: Hold my beer!
I have never installed a EV charger. But what I’m saying may be right or wrong. I know of 3 people with Electric cars and all 3 said the same . They don’t want a proper charger as they think the electric supplier will control when they can charge in the future and secondly they shorten the life of there batteries.
That’s there option not mine
In my opinion what’s the life span of this smart stuff. A smart phone only a few years old ,apps can’t be updated . I give up counting the times a smart meter has gone dumb. Smart stuff will save money in the short run but in the long run it often doesn’t last costing more to replace. I take it’s these chargers have relays cutting in and out as well how long will these last . I drive a 20 year old van . It’s reliable and if it does go wrong it cost next to nothing to repair. Other people I know drive much more modern vans . Yes they get extra MPG but the times they complain that they have had to pay out hundreds or thousands when they go wrong. I know someone who repairs domestic appliances . In his opinion it’s the kiss of death when in the future these smart things go wrong .
Any reviews on the ICS chargers?
Not yet - but planning to look at them in 2022
We traded in my wife's old Acura MDX that averaged 13mpg around town for a 2022 BMW X5 45e PHEV. It get's about 35 miles of range per charge on pure electric power, which is all she uses. The car still has the same unused fuel in the tank as when we bought it.
Our local electricity provider sold me the charger, a Juicebox40, for $177 (after instant rebate) and I spent another $150 on 8-3 Romex, 40A breaker, and RV outlet box. My wife and I installed it all in just a few hours one Sunday morning.
We also get a $.05/kwh discount when using the wifi connected charger between 11pm and 6am. The car charges from 10-100% in just a few hours.
I've calculated that we pay about 1/5th the cost of gasoline per mile than with the old car.
The new car also gets us $2000 state and $7500 federal tax credits. 🙂
Cheers Rob
I am not a fan of RCD at source for anyone that's currently app selling their driveway and charger access. It's one thing to share your driveway but it's another to give random people access to your consumer unit. Unless you're going to have an IP rated unit outside and that as the source but a cluttered outside wall is not something many home owners want. Not surprised the Anderson A2 isn't up there but they now don't supply it with built in Type A or a wired internet connection.
As for more people having smart connected appliances as prices go up, no. People just need to change their habits like they did when E7/E10 was a mainstay and time control their washing and drying loads for over night etc. Things don't have to be smart if people actually think, it's not good to encourage people to off load responsibilities to tech.
Absolutely bang on , smart technology does not make our lives or job better or easier, as it it doesn’t work always braking down has a short lifespan and it has to be replaced , look at smart phones every year or two we get a n upgrade or a new one because the last one is running a lot slower , and is no longer compatible with your new computer system so all your photos and dater is stuck on your old phone . Smart technology is useless and pointless.
@@Dog-whisperer7494 It's not useless but an over reliance on "smart tech" in every and all situations is a waste of money and causes issues when it breaks down. The biggest issue with current implementations of smart tech is that it's not always backwards or forwards compatible with other alterations made to a system, incurring yet more unforeseen costs.
Regarding controlling when people can charge their vehicle, not everyone works the same schedule, right? Sounds like your power companies plan on punishing some customers because they work different hours. By punishing I mean charge them a higher rate.
Even with shift patterns most people be fine the idea is to avoid the peaks like the mornings and evenings
Why do what is just a high output socket cost so much ❓😡🏴🇬🇧🤠
Why is it that things always get more complicated? Because one thing always leads to another.
I went for the Hypervolt; built-in PEN fault detection, solar integration, effectively a mini-PC so great future upgradeability, nice minimalist looks (some EV chargers can look a bit industrial) and great customer service. Surprised it wasn't mentioned at the start as a rising star as the HyperVolt CEO has suggested they are the second most popular UK EV charger.
I don't want a mini-PC (or a Raspberry Pi, which is what's in the Hypervolt) in my charger - complete overkill, more to go wrong, more standby power consumption
Watch my video your find Gordon isn’t a fan
Nick is going to review the Hypervolt.
You're missing a Pod Point!
The easee charger is so simple it should be the only viable option for domestic installation
Am awaiting delivery of “easee one” however the other versions don’t compile with DNO for load balance
@@NicolasRaimo there arent any regulation on load in my country yet, the biggest advatage with easee is the simple programing and ypu dont need to use a app if ypu dont want
As others have highlighted unfortunately they don’t yet have a solution for load balancing (for UK meters anyway). For some (me included) this is a deal-breaker.
I had seen this video and was a little curious as to why the Rolec is not on that wall. Then I found your Rolec video (admittedly around two years old) where you praise the Rolec highly. Still I wonder why the Rolec has fallen such out of favour when it seems as if it was the bee's knees of home chargers.
ROLEC was the first charger we reviewed and out main aim was to understand what’s inside. In two years EV chargers have evolved and now need to be smart and cater for additional safety features such as PEN fault protection.
I think I’ll stick with my Rolec and basic dual tariff meter, none of this smart tech. I plug my car in whenever I like and set off peak hours within the car. I want my car charged when I wake up without interference from my provider.
I may purchase a few Rolecs and keep in stock, can see people wanting non smart chargers further down the line.
Where's the Evbug's Hypervolt?
Hypervolt is on the wall
Yes I see it now
14p & 5p that’s nearly half of realistic electricity price 🥸
new prices on my lastest video show 5p offpeak and 25p peak but even with these prices I average 14p
Where’s the PodPoint? lol EV to hear an honest review on their customer service! How they cornered the market with manufacturers I’ll never know 👎🏻
I've only got on display charge points from companies who sent me a free unit for review, some companies never responded, some companies I may not of contacted and others just said no.
I think the rule should be for the manufactures to make their "innovations" wire up and done. It's not down to the sparky to be a tech support. Wire up a fixed appliance, the rest is on the user and maufacturer how to use it. Which changes every 3 months.
EV Nick was not allowed to wear a Red Efixx polo shirt as they are reserved for senior presenters ONLY
haha i got a Grey Efixx top for doing electrians challenege I came wearing it for a laugh and to be "on brand"
@@NicolasRaimo Well Done Nick top man with your EV charger info
Why not an ordinary 16 / 32 amp rcd protected socket - separate earth stake - EV, not much
different than a caravan, and the vehicle regulates its own charge - so I am informed ?
Carvans are not hooked up to a very large capacity DC battery with 400v or even the new 800v packs that could potentially leak DC back into the system and blind the RCD. You could install separate earth stakes and some ev chargers don't have built in PEN fault but how many earth rods you may need on each site and how easy may it be to install them are other questions. Also the car can manage some aspects but not all.
I was thinking the same, most domestic charge at a max rate of 7Kw (about 30 A), so why not just have a commando socket. There are leads available now with the Pen fault detections and RCD protection built in so no need really for a dedicated wall mounted charger. However its the smart tech in the wall mounted charger that people seem to like as it can save them money, the DNO's also like smart chargers as they can relieve pressure on the grid. I reckon sooner or later it will be compulsory for all car chargers to be smart. In fact I reckon that alot of people will just get fed up with cars and not bother.
@@JamesJames-um5xq due to come into legislation this year
It’s good that the electric supply company works with the EV charger for the cheapest rate, until they go out of business?
One I mentioned and use octopus is largest and most versatile and global energy firm went from a no body to over 7 million customers in 2 years and just had major investment from Al Gore fund
@@NicolasRaimo with the current volatility in the market it seems like even big suppliers could go under at the drop of a hat. Are the smarter chargers tied in to specific suppliers?
@@rivkahlevi6117 Octopus just took on avro customer based on ofgem seeing they were stable enough to take on a huge amount of customers over night there’s also rumour they are looking at a take over of another large supplier. The issue with suppliers gong bust is partly because they haven’t purchased there energy in advance. The charger isn’t tied to one supplier just octopus for example the biggest in this area
Chargepoint home
£1 kW said as a matter of course, we are being taken for the idiots we are,
and I’ve got Solar/battery/and ev
enjoy the honeymoon while it lasts.
Two things I'm not happy about with this video. Firstly, why are we taking advice on installing EV Charge Points from a non-electrician. Secondly, I don't like that the Ohm EVCP is being praised for coming pre-wired with a cable to connect into a junction box next to the charge point... It is just moving the point of potential water ingress from the EVCP to the junction box and frankly looks absolute shite having an extra box on the wall
Just my 2p
Hi Jonathan your correct am not an electrian but I have got a background in electronics and IT also I have installed all these units and used them. I've also used all the userside features which is more imporant than what an installer likes or dislikes. Moving to the juncation box can look horrid i agree but every install will be diffrent some it can be hidden internally for example but having this preleaded does mean if the failure is the junction box there is a clear mark on where the fault ocured and who's at fault. The best design in this case might be easee which doesn't let you into the internals using its mouting block but the app isn't as feature rich as ohme.
Sadly all the points you have mentioned about the smart operations. Turning on and off charging is why I don’t think Ev is the way to go.
I think it is a short term fix and that hydrogen is probably the best way to go
Totally wrong there Antony we said the chargers can do that and If you wish to charge when you want you can but your pay for that benefit
Electric isn't the long term future, there simply isn't enough rare metals or power capacity to sustain growth. Hydrogen is the future, the mains gas system is already being prepared, central heating boilers are hydrogen ready. It will take over in the next five years.
@@therealunclevanya my electric car doesn’t contain any rare earth metals… also rare earth metals are not as rare as name suggest…. Hydrogen cars are also all the same parts of an electric car just with a smaller battery and a hydrogen fuel cell on broad adding more complexity. To make hydrogen you still use electric and due to its poor efficiency your need to generate more electric than if you just charged an EV
@@NicolasRaimo mains gas will convert to hydrogen in our lifetime. It makes sense cars will to.
@@therealunclevanya looks at how hydrogen is made then look at efficiency… it doesn’t make sense for car transport it may make sense in some very small use cases but road transport will be primary electric ⚡️ am not tribal in my thinking as well as doing videos for RUclips on EVs my day job is selling cars and advising companies in my consulting work.
Hydrogen for boilers will fix for some however heat pumps be the new normal for new builds and some older properties will also fit these. It’s the electricians time to make the money of plumbers now.
Tesla charger??? 🤦♂️
No pen fault, no dc protection, no rcd…. It’s not even smart….. also didn’t send me a unit to review
@@NicolasRaimo And still that's what most countries consider a nice and fine charger. Reminds me of that guy who was driving down the motorway and called the cops to report hundreds of people going the wrong way...
@@HenryLoenwind Tesla charger doesn't complie with 18th edition regs in its current form and isn't part of the OZEV approved list either. If you want to fit the fan boy charger because you like the look of it go ahead am not stopping you but if I review it or not it won't change your mind you want to be part of the fan club rather than get the best charger on market.
@@NicolasRaimo Oh, did I trigger another Tesla-hater?
@@HenryLoenwind huh? am stating facts no hate
What an odd meeting.