The DCT is the main reason I’m still able to ride today. I lost the ability to shift or use a rear foot brake so I bought a ‘19 and found a kit that puts a double lever on the left side of the handle bar. A longer lever for the rear brake and a stubby lever for the parking brake.
I have the same bike you tested. Between my 21 AT DCT and My 22 AT DCT ADVENTURE ES I've put 17k miles on them in year . I have the Honda Panniers and top box ,I put a adjustable wind deflector on the windshield. It made a big difference. And tire pressure sensors. This is the best all around bike I've owned. Great video and I agree with everything you said. But I'm to old to do do the single track stuff. It was nice to see you do it. I have and recommend the crash bars and engine guards. Thanks again. 😊
In 4 days time I will have had my ATAS DCT for 1 year from new. It will have clocked over 30,000km. I love it and everything you have said is spot on. When my current one wears out I'll be getting another. Great video with amazing footage.
Awesome video. I just purchased a 22 A/T adv. sport dct. I've been watching every video on this bike trying to soak up as much info on it as possible. Yours have been the most informative by far. I'm new to this size bike, so it has me a bit intimidated. Thanks for your time and effort.
On a DCT apply a steady throttle and use the rear brake to modulate power. It's a new skill set, but the end results are the same. I'll always take a DCT over a clutch when that option is available. Over 99% of the time the DCT is in the correct gear and greatly reduces the mental load.
@@TC-iz6xe I'm 60+ and have been riding bikes since I was 10. Over that period of time, I've owned more dirt, dual sport, and street bikes than I care to remember. In my world, your JV opinions are irrelevant.
choosing auto or manual is anyone's free choice. can't follow the logic of not a real rider if not using clutch. I have super sport bikes from BMW and Ducati in my garage. I also have a DCT goldwing and a scooter . I think I am a rider.
I've got about 25000 kms on my 2020 ATAS DCT now. Can't agree with everything you said, but you gave a good description of the difference between this and the standard transmission. I've done a few long distance road trips with it so far and you won't be getting 600km on a tank. With luggage and on highways using sport mode (because regular D sucks and nobody uses it) you start getting concerned about gas after 300-350 kms max. By that point you are down to one bub. I use mine as a sport touring machine that is plenty capable when you hit those nasty construction zones, or if you want to explore some gravel or dirt back roads. I agree, it's too big and heavy to do anything too technical unless you're a seasoned pro. The seat is extremely hard on the butt when doing long rides and needs to be upgraded with an aftermarket option. Don't get this bike if you don't like a lot of attention. You wont be able to stop for gas anywhere without people coming up and asking about it, wanting to take pics etc. It just comes with the bike. 78k of loose gravel with pillion is no small feat! I'm not sure how much I'd enjoy that, but I'm sure you loved the destination. Safe travels!
Hitting 20,000 km on my 2020 ATASes. Absolutely love it. Have been on multi week trips, camping, in all kind of weather. Great bike! With DCT you just trail brake more. You do learn it quickly. Tight single track is not this bikes home. Three of us friends all have DCT. All MX guys two Baja racers. Two track gravel with good tires ( Mitas E07's), and this bike is at home! We've done plenty of offroad, and hiway ride's are a breeze. Honda reliability, and extremely comfortable! Buy one, you'll love it. Nice review, thank you for you thoughts on the bike. Especially like your attitude :-)
I honestly have zero issue with slow-speed maneuvers once I got used to DCT on my ATAS. It does have a little slip sort of like feathering the clutch once you get used to it and use careful throttle control. Its super easy to do very tight full lock turns once you adjust. That said some seem to have more sensitive throttles than others and I got an "easy" one for low speed. I guess the 22' is more consistent in that respect. For anyone reading it's not like a car automatic with a torque convertor which is sometimes called a "slush box" because of the sloppy feeling between shifts. The DCT is like a perfectly executed clutchless shift in its very smooth and very direct power delivery. They use them in some sports cars and a few other cars but it's not common yet. If you do try one be sure to use "S" mode as "D" is basically ECO mode and will lug the engine, it's basically for fuel economy and highway/gentle going. Switch to S with two clicks and hold if you want to go between 1-3, 1 being less aggressive, 3 being the most. It also works extremely well to use the paddle shift button to downshift into corners and let the auto handle the exit. Best of both works there. I can't see going back to a regular manual at this time. Also you don't need a headset for carplay, just hold the "u-turn arrow" back button for 5 seconds at the headset connect screen and carry on.
Just wanted to point out that 3x world Motocross champion Dave Thorpe runs a school for learning off-road riding down near Taunton in Somerset, UK, and his bikes that he hires out to people doing the course are a mix of manual and DCT Africa Twins. As Bret Tkacs shows in his videos you can get the DCT to behave off road by using the rear brake to put the system under tension & giving it a constant gentle throttle. It won't stall on you ever, and you're likely going to be pretty sensitive with the rear brake pedal. That said there's a rear brake hand control conversion you can do so that you have the rear brake on the left handlebar as well as its usual position, to use in place of a clutch to moderate the power.
Another great video! Thanks. Two additional comments from me (you asked): 1. I ride a 2019 Tiger 1200 and I absolutely love the shaft drive. I just returned from the Trans Labrador Highway and East Coast, a trip of 9,000 km. My riding mates had chain drive bikes and while it wasn't a big deal, I loved not having to worry about the chain on the road. 2. Dealership support is a big deal. The Triumph Tiger has been very dependable, however, when I need service like the 32,000km biggy that I am having done today, I have very few options. Living in Collingwood, ON I have to ride over 250 km to the nearest dealer. I am fortunate to have a job that allows me to take a day off work when I need service but local support would be better. C'mon Triumph, you got me hooked on the inline triple with a dealer in Wasaga Beach and you left them for bigger and better. That left me without support. So in summary, thumbs down to chain drive and thumbs up to dealer support. Thanks again,
Nice! You live in beautiful riding country with the Niagara Escarpment right in your back yard. Thanks for the insights and I hope one of the local dealers brings in Triumphs soon.
I have the 2021 DCT version of this bike and after several thousand miles on and off pavement I can offer the following comments and observations. Overall it is a true 90% motorcycle - it can take pavement, groomed dirt, moderate gravel and shallow sand trails easily. Weight and stock tires are limiting factors for going deeper into the rough or mud and a seat change (Corbin) was necessary for me for more comfortable, longer distance, on-road touring. The huge gas tank, excellent brakes and selectable ride modes help inspire confidence off pavement. Minor nits with this bike are few and some are easily corrected. Rear brake pedal was too small for me and the sidestand is not confidence inspiring. Both fixed with inexpensive aftermarket bolt ons. The Honda rider interface took a lot of time to learn to use and program. Too many buttons/steps and not at all intuitive. Lastly the DCT is amazing but requires the substitution of the rear brake pedal for “clutching” in conjunction with throttle modulation in the tricky stuff. Once learned, it’s a snap to manage off-road. Agree that upper and lower crash guards are must haves if going off pavement. I added a center stand (optional) to this bike for ease of servicing the chain, I’m glad I did.
Same Andrew. 2021 AS with DCT. Couldn't have said it better. 60 years old and 40 of them without a bike, rectified 2 years ago. My next one will be manual, with a quick shift. Slow speed manoeuvring, without a clutch, or riding up our gravel lane at 12 - 16 MPH, and it wanting to be in 1st or 2nd (and repeat....... and repeat) is annoying.
Paul: You may wish to switch to manual mode and utilize the shift buttons in that instance. I seldom override the DCT - but in this case, perhaps that is the right strategy for you. The buttons shift very rapidly in manual mode. Good luck, ride safe and ride often.
Just purchased a 22 model manual the main reason comfort reliability. Out with my st2 Ducati and triumph sprint which are nowhere near as comfortable as I am 67. I have a crf 300 for off road with the usual mods for me cover’s all the bases. Thanks for the content cheers from New Zealander
If I lived in a wooded area, that would be my bike of choice. Price, features, and dealer network are big pluses. I live in a primarily urban area so the Reble 1100DCT is my bike. It has the same engine and is plenty fast enough for me. Great video as always folks. Thank you.
I adjusted the parking brake cable on my 19 DCT to act as a drag brake on slow maneuvers. Love my DCT on the road, but slow stuff was a little scary, Finally found the adjustment knob for the front break and now I can keep 2 fingers on the brake and have much better control.
Love Automatic transmissions on cars. On bikes I've found manual transmissions better. Mostly because keeping traction is so much about gear and clutch. It's great to have total control of those two.
I just recently purchased a manual standard edition one, (didn't feel like the extra cash and weight were worth either the DCT or adventure sports). Somewhat of a shame that you didn't get a manual with the quickshifter, banging it through the gears is so much fun and works extremely smoothly in most RPMs. I do sometimes take my bike on tight single track, and although it takes some effort to get it to do what you want, it can do it, and its pretty fun. When going for test rides I couldn't properly test this (of course), so that makes me very curious whether the offroad characteristics of the AS really do differ much from the standard model due to the weight. For me it really was between the T7 and de standard AT. Didn't consider the BMW or KTM due to reliability, just like you, its something I care a lot about. I use my bike for commuting as well, and I can't afford my bike to be returned to the dealer every couple of months. All in all I agree with most of the points you make in the video, it really is a 'do it all' motorcycle. Do you plan on testing the standard/manual version as well?
Thanks! I can only test the bikes that Honda give me and this is the one they had in their press fleet. I tend to agree with your sentiments. I’d get the same bike you have just for weight savings. I’d miss the suspension on the Adventure Sports but not the weight.
Are you me from another continent? For the same reasons I choose standard AT, I got it four days ago. It's really is an amazing bike... Although I already dropped it on some off road tracks today :'D
Great review! I have a new-to-me 2017 DCT, and while I love just about everything about it, I'm not yet convinced that the transmission is really an upgrade. While I do appreciate the silky smooth shifting, I miss the manual shifter at times. I don't yet have much offroad time with her yet, but I expect that I will agree with your take on the pros and cons.
Great video, as usual! I really love the look of the AT, I think it may be the best looking ADV bike on the market. I was very surprised to see how well Brooke fit on it, I am only 5'7 so seat height on these bikes is always something I keep a close eye on. One thing I have noticed is that they are not easy to come by, I have been to several Honda dealerships and don't recall even seeing one on the showroom floor, not sure if that is the same all over or just in FL and NJ where I live
Thanks! Yeah, ADV bikes are selling out everywhere. The Adventure Sport was definitely a big bike for Brooke. Even the base AT is a stretch for a 120lb female rider. Guys are different even if they are Brooke’s height. No way she’s lifting that thing if it tips. The Rally is definitely more her liking… or the CB500X.
Great video and excellent review, I just ordered an AT myself (not going to get it before October!). Was tempted by the big BMW but Honda reliability was an enormous factor. If you are going to be out in the Australian outback you have to have a bike that is reliable, unlike Ewan McGregor and Charley Boorman most of us don't have a support crew when everything starts to go tits up.
I tested the BMW 1250GS, KTM 1290 SAS, and Honda AT ES before buying my first big ADV. AT was the most intimidating being very very top heavy but I remember it being the most comfortable one out of the three. GS was just too rough and unrefined for me, almost tractor-like, despite being the class leader. I chose the KTM at the end of the day thanks to its more nimble attitude, better weight distribution and its orange color 🙂At the end of the day, I still miss my KTM 790 ADV 😞
Nice review again! I have the ATAS ES DCT and the T7 (world raid is coming next month). I love them both very much on there own way. The Tenere for his simplicity.....and the AT for his tech and relax ride. Have a nice day!
Honda, please make a 500cc Africa Twin Junior. Maybe lower the suspension a bit, by sacrificing the ground clearance or make it adjustable and make sure it looks the same as the big model but just a little smaller and I will buy it as a 2nd bike. Or update their 500cc bike to look like that...
Great video.This comparison should essentially be made between bikes with 21-inch front tires. However, not everyone is a rider who benefits from the 21-inch. Therefore, it's fun to choose while hesitating.
I have a 2020 ATASES non DCT. I've taken it places some riders wouldn't try on a 250. Yes, it's heavy. But it will get you where you want to go. You must however remember that you're on 530lbs of motorcycle and ride accordingly. I.E. momentum is your friend. The seat is absolutely horrible and the dash takes some getting used to (you WILL get used to it and it becomes easy enough to navigate) but there is more adjustments in there than most realize. The Android Auto can be glitchy as well but works okay in general. The cornering lights are amazing at night and the bike works well pretty much everywhere. Overall, I am very happy with my purchase. Keep in mind that I am very experienced and a big strong guy. If you're smaller and or weaker this is NOT the bike for you off road.
EXCELLENT vid - very helpful as I'm looking at one of the awesome bikes right now - many thanks! I agree that Honda reliability, quality and support is something that NONE of the Euros can come close to offering. I'm selling my 2014 Multistrada I've had since new (now only 3,500kms) to get one of these. Just wondering if I should wait and see the SUPERCHARGED AT they're all talking about that's been leaked in Japan from the patents office!! Cheers and thanks again from Sydney Australia.
Great video.. I bought that very bike in the spring and have been loving it. In fact, I spent today putting on some Heed Crash bars (ugh.. brutal job). I would love to know where in algonquin you were riding. Not the tight single track but the area with bears or hydro lines..
Thanks! The Algonquin ride was up Basin Depot Road which ends and turns into a hydro-cut. In the hydro cut you get huge amounts of Raspberry bushes which are swarming with bears this time of year. There are also tons of side trails you can explore along the way. Get a summer park permit in case you run into rangers and good luck!
Apple carplay and Android Auto require USB connection. The seat is quite firm and isn’t comfortable for long trips. Apart from that a good accurate review.
Thanks for this video, I agree with your assessment. I currently have a 2022 ATAS DCT, and a Goldwing DCT. I am thinking about transitioning away from the Wing, because the AT can do different roads easily. Not that I have been in a lot of off road situations but the ability to do so is better than not being able to at all on the Wing.
I have my ATAS 1100 DCT ES since 3 years. It was strange feeling to adopt myself to DCT version. It needs a little bit another driving technique but now I would never change DCT to manual. In fact since 3 year I do not see any competitor for my Africa so I do not thing about any change.
i agree, wish it had a shaft drive. i'm still trying to figure out if i go with the AT or BMW's 1250GSA. Price is always important but not the biggest factor. not sure about the dct but 80%+ of my riding will be tarmac and almost all the rest on gravel. i wouldn't take a such a big bike onto twisty trails. i have a pickup that can haul a 300 for that. the big drawback for me honestly is the amount of electronics. but the GSA and the AT have them. I'm sold on Honda, have been for a while and with three dealerships nearby with my closest BMW Motorad 80 miles away I think you can see where I'm leaning. Thanks for the video.
I’ve got a 2021 ATAS, best bike I’ve owned. Reliable , comfortable and super capable off-road. I don’t find it top heavy and the bmw gsa1250 is huge! Too much fuel tank, too heavy regardless of the supposed lower Center of gravity. I’ve seen GSA’s on thier side much more than AT’s.
Great vid! Whatever most reviews state, I think the standart model is the best bet if you get lost on the double trails and find yourself in a single trail. The bigger AT AS (with DCT) is often described as THE offroad version of the line up but I think it is the other way around. Standart 19 here. With the old school ABS butten and mini lever to shut off TC it is hard to beat in the line up. Electronics yes, but easier that the 1100 to modulate when you have to. Gladly I don't need a Tenere as I got a sturdy DR 750 that can take a beating all day. I took the AT on gnarly trails I explored with the DR first. Surprised at what it can do. But: If anything simple breaks on this bike. Plastics, indicator, Foot peg mount - you will discover soon that a company's spare part pricing becomes important. Honda sucks in that department and is unfairly expensive.
Thanks! I rode the 800 a while back on pavement and really liked it. My impression was that it felt a lot smaller than this bike but maybe not the smaller base AT. Right now I don’t have a contact with Triumph Canada but am working on it.
Great Review! Any chance you rode the 2021 or 22 KTM 1290 Super Adventure? I'm debating the AT Adventure Sport or the Super Adventure. I like the Android auto aspect for road trips but that 160HP is a huge difference with the KTM. What would you pick?
Trading my 2018 KTM 1290 SA S for a 2023 AT Adventure Sport Manual. Love riding the KTM but waaay too many problems with it. Dealer support sucks here in Ontario and the bike has left me stranded on three separate occasions. Enough is enough.
Left hand break 43510-MKH-D21 OEM Honda part Africa Twin, 2019 and on Honda makes this for AT and can be put on bike by dealer day of purchase Master cylinder only $120 USD on Webike. The DTC requires lots of rear breaking at slow speed. Honda makes a break for left hand
Love my manual Africa twin adventure sport ES. A great road bike and is certainly capable off-road but it’s a big heavy bike so have to be sensible with it! Tested a 1250 GS before buying the ATAS and thought the ho da was a better bike Only gripes are the brakes are only adequate at best on road and the paint quality on the frame is dubious for a Honda.
Yeah, the Nissans are fine but they’re not Brembos. The standard tricolour Twin has a sweet red frame but I didn’t get a close look at the paint. You’re right about the weight though, and it’s all high up. That’s why my wife didn’t ride this one.
@@DifferentSpokesTV mine is a 2021 so the same paint colour but just different stickers. The standard model 2022 colours are much nicer than 2021 colours though. the red sub frame on the tricolour looks really good. I ‘upgraded’ the brake pads to SBS but they didn’t make a lot of difference to be honest
I had an early Africa Twin and with the soft suspension and 21 inch front wheel it was not good on the road, particularly curves. I'm curious how much the electronic suspension can help, or if good on-road performance is not possible with a 21 inch front wheel.
The electronic suspension is better for sure. I’ve ridden the old 1000 with the regular forks and found that if wandered all over the place in a curve. This one didn’t do that but it’s also definitely not as sharp as a sport tourer like the Ninja H2SX that I tested a few weeks ago.
I enjoy Japanese reliability and shaft drive on paved and forest service roads. I very much appreciate cruise control and electronic suspension. I don't believe I'll part ways with my Super Tenere ES any time soon.
Absolutely. It’s more comfortable on pavement but not as good off road because of the extra weight. If you ride road with occasional gravel and dirt the bigger bikes are more comfy and faster. However, this bike costs a lot more than a Tenere 700.
The perfect bike for and older guy with arthritis. The lack of a clutch lever fits my old hands and it is easy to control with larger pegs and the rear brake. Yeah, some may have more power, but few, and certainly not the BMW and KTM, have better reliability and after market adjusment possibilities. The Yam is much heavier and I can live with a chain drive.
Japanese reliability it high on my list; that's why Yamaha is the only competition in my book. 😎 Shaft drive is a negative to me not a positive.🤨 I've owned two 1981 Yamaha XV 920s; a shaft-drive Virago cruiser and the enclosed chain-drive XV920 HR (which I still have; it's remarkably close in performance to my new Bonneville T120 and BMW F900XR). The shaft-drive Yamaha V-Twin was down on power vs the chain-drive version with identical engine and tune (my seat of the pants dyno suggests a 3-5 hp loss in the shaft gearing). While the enclosed chain of the 920 HR is a rare bird, modern X-ring chains are sufficiently reliable and maintenance free to trump the complexity, weight and power loss of a shaft.🧐 I'm too adicted to the pleasure of manual box. I sometimes drive my wife's '06 Mazda MX5 just for the therapeutic experiance of the world's best 5-speed box. Having ridden motorcycles since 13 (now 74) manual shifts are so groved into my brain that for all practical purposes my bikes DO shift automatically.😚 Great review BTW.😘
I test rode the old model and it had a very squishy front end and just wasn't as good on the road compared to the competition (V-Strom 1050, 1250GS etc.). Sounds like Honda has addressed some of the issues.
Great looking bike, €18,500 over here🇳🇱 NL tho. Not in the budget at the moment, it's grandfather my trusty Transalp will have to do for now. But when i'm even older that DCT Will be 'handy'.
i think honda has maxed out the africa twin and it is as good as it should be. If i were honda i would build a new bike dub it the Americas twin. a big high horsepower engine with shaft drive and with bells and whistles. heated grips heated seat radio adjustable windshield on board air compressor plenty of storage things like that to go after the bmw harley and ktm
Honda: “The cheque is in the mail”. Seriously, very good review! I want one. What a freedom machine! I agree about Japanese bike reliability and dealer support. It’s good to not have to worry about the machine getting you there.
I dont understand these bikes or why ppl like them, they look like an off-road bike but then again they have street tires.. do ppl really use these heavy thing to off road?
Most of the 5000 miles on my 2020 ATAS ES are off road. It works way better than 530lbs of motorcycle should. And when I say off road, I don't mean dirt roads. I mean legitimate off road trails.
Not knocking dct. I know a lot of people like the innovation and convenience. I still prefer the shift my own gears. Everyone talks about how heavy the AT is. Look how much a Harley weights. And you won't be taking the Harley down any trails or dirt roads like that AT will.
The AT seems really cool but I’m torn between the AT and T7. I love big bikes but the T7 is beautiful and has insanely good reviews. The t7 is better for a in town and trails but the AT would be better for long highway rides and a passenger but riding with a passenger kinda sucks anyways lol.
Lot of money for a bike. Save a bunch and find an old Honda Transalp ot origin Africa Twin in Europe import it to Canada, as it'll be over 15 years old and get some vintage adventure riding done. I bought an old NX 650 Dominator and will tour Europe with it.
Yeah, Europe is the place to find those because in Canada they’re super rare. Will also cost close to 10k Canadian, about as much as a new KLR650 Adventure.
The weight of the Africa Twin, and its power/thirst, are something I can do without. (See Itchy Boots.) I'm waiting for your review of the rumored Honda *Transalp* .
My 22 CRF1100A has been getting 59 mpg US. My 22 CRF300LR has been getting 72 mpg US in similar riding conditions. Just a couple of data points. Thirty years ago I was waiting to graduate engineering school so I could purchase a ZX-11 and had no bike at the time. A buddy asked me to exercise his Honda Shadow 750 while he was out of the country for 6 months. I did, and enjoyed it so much I purchased a KZ1100 Spectre within the month. I did grab that ZX-11 and enjoyed it, my regret being that I didn't purchase the KZ1100 (or something) sooner. You may not be without a bike now, but for anyone that is, don't wait for the perfect bike, grab something available and ride!!
@@GripEngineering - MPG is highly dependent on engine RPMs. A 300cc engine screaming at US highway speeds will probably descend in MPG to an 1100cc engine's MPG when it's just loping along at the same road speed. I'm VERY interested to see what Itchy B. does when she hits Southern California's highways and freeways. :-)
They aren't light...I've been riding Kawi Concours's...which tip in at 700lbs wet...these are light bikes to us normal tourning brats. I'm looking to enter the adventure touring market because I wan't to go places that my Connie14 simply can't go...so I 500lb bike is light especially when you figure in me and my lady...Just saying...
Bike is crap. Bought it 2 month ago. Still can not used to stupid warning message I have to dismiss on every start-up. Looks like review was paid by Honda. Dislike.
The DCT is the main reason I’m still able to ride today. I lost the ability to shift or use a rear foot brake so I bought a ‘19 and found a kit that puts a double lever on the left side of the handle bar. A longer lever for the rear brake and a stubby lever for the parking brake.
Nice! Pretty handy to have that option and I’m glad that you’re still out in the wind.
dual braking is really underappreciated. I'm glad to see that you've found a setup that allows you to continue riding.
I just ordered a 2024 AT manual!
I have the same bike you tested. Between my 21 AT DCT and My 22 AT DCT ADVENTURE ES I've put 17k miles on them in year . I have the Honda Panniers and top box ,I put a adjustable wind deflector on the windshield. It made a big difference. And tire pressure sensors. This is the best all around bike I've owned. Great video and I agree with everything you said. But I'm to old to do do the single track stuff. It was nice to see you do it. I have and recommend the crash bars and engine guards.
Thanks again. 😊
2021 DCT owner here. I really like it fir my daily commute over gravel roads and 4 lane roads. It does those things well.
Yes, it’s the perfect bike for those.
In 4 days time I will have had my ATAS DCT for 1 year from new. It will have clocked over 30,000km. I love it and everything you have said is spot on. When my current one wears out I'll be getting another. Great video with amazing footage.
Awesome video. I just purchased a 22 A/T adv. sport dct. I've been watching every video on this bike trying to soak up as much info on it as possible. Yours have been the most informative by far. I'm new to this size bike, so it has me a bit intimidated. Thanks for your time and effort.
Just bought one a week ago, a Adventure Sports DCT. So far I love it! Great review man and be safe
Great Video. Just bought a 2023 Standard DCT Africa Twin and Loving it!
On a DCT apply a steady throttle and use the rear brake to modulate power. It's a new skill set, but the end results are the same. I'll always take a DCT over a clutch when that option is available. Over 99% of the time the DCT is in the correct gear and greatly reduces the mental load.
Yes, I did ding having less to think about refused the stress.
You either don't have a left arm and leg or your just not a real biker. I'll always choose manual on a bike and in a car
@@TC-iz6xe I'm 60+ and have been riding bikes since I was 10. Over that period of time, I've owned more dirt, dual sport, and street bikes than I care to remember. In my world, your JV opinions are irrelevant.
choosing auto or manual is anyone's free choice. can't follow the logic of not a real rider if not using clutch.
I have super sport bikes from BMW and Ducati in my garage. I also have a DCT goldwing and a scooter . I think I am a rider.
@@TC-iz6xe What exactly is a 'real biker'? Is this guy one? ruclips.net/video/7xk7mqzIFxw/видео.html
I've got about 25000 kms on my 2020 ATAS DCT now. Can't agree with everything you said, but you gave a good description of the difference between this and the standard transmission. I've done a few long distance road trips with it so far and you won't be getting 600km on a tank. With luggage and on highways using sport mode (because regular D sucks and nobody uses it) you start getting concerned about gas after 300-350 kms max. By that point you are down to one bub. I use mine as a sport touring machine that is plenty capable when you hit those nasty construction zones, or if you want to explore some gravel or dirt back roads. I agree, it's too big and heavy to do anything too technical unless you're a seasoned pro. The seat is extremely hard on the butt when doing long rides and needs to be upgraded with an aftermarket option. Don't get this bike if you don't like a lot of attention. You wont be able to stop for gas anywhere without people coming up and asking about it, wanting to take pics etc. It just comes with the bike. 78k of loose gravel with pillion is no small feat! I'm not sure how much I'd enjoy that, but I'm sure you loved the destination. Safe travels!
Hitting 20,000 km on my 2020 ATASes. Absolutely love it. Have been on multi week trips, camping, in all kind of weather. Great bike! With DCT you just trail brake more. You do learn it quickly. Tight single track is not this bikes home. Three of us friends all have DCT. All MX guys two Baja racers. Two track gravel with good tires ( Mitas E07's), and this bike is at home! We've done plenty of offroad, and hiway ride's are a breeze. Honda reliability, and extremely comfortable! Buy one, you'll love it. Nice review, thank you for you thoughts on the bike. Especially like your attitude :-)
Thank you. Much appreciated!
I honestly have zero issue with slow-speed maneuvers once I got used to DCT on my ATAS. It does have a little slip sort of like feathering the clutch once you get used to it and use careful throttle control. Its super easy to do very tight full lock turns once you adjust. That said some seem to have more sensitive throttles than others and I got an "easy" one for low speed. I guess the 22' is more consistent in that respect. For anyone reading it's not like a car automatic with a torque convertor which is sometimes called a "slush box" because of the sloppy feeling between shifts. The DCT is like a perfectly executed clutchless shift in its very smooth and very direct power delivery. They use them in some sports cars and a few other cars but it's not common yet. If you do try one be sure to use "S" mode as "D" is basically ECO mode and will lug the engine, it's basically for fuel economy and highway/gentle going. Switch to S with two clicks and hold if you want to go between 1-3, 1 being less aggressive, 3 being the most. It also works extremely well to use the paddle shift button to downshift into corners and let the auto handle the exit. Best of both works there. I can't see going back to a regular manual at this time. Also you don't need a headset for carplay, just hold the "u-turn arrow" back button for 5 seconds at the headset connect screen and carry on.
Thanks for the tip. Yes, in D mode the engine wants to lug at the lowest possible rpm.
Just wanted to point out that 3x world Motocross champion Dave Thorpe runs a school for learning off-road riding down near Taunton in Somerset, UK, and his bikes that he hires out to people doing the course are a mix of manual and DCT Africa Twins. As Bret Tkacs shows in his videos you can get the DCT to behave off road by using the rear brake to put the system under tension & giving it a constant gentle throttle. It won't stall on you ever, and you're likely going to be pretty sensitive with the rear brake pedal. That said there's a rear brake hand control conversion you can do so that you have the rear brake on the left handlebar as well as its usual position, to use in place of a clutch to moderate the power.
Another great video!
Thanks.
Two additional comments from me (you asked):
1. I ride a 2019 Tiger 1200 and I absolutely love the shaft drive. I just returned from the Trans Labrador Highway and East Coast, a trip of 9,000 km. My riding mates had chain drive bikes and while it wasn't a big deal, I loved not having to worry about the chain on the road.
2. Dealership support is a big deal. The Triumph Tiger has been very dependable, however, when I need service like the 32,000km biggy that I am having done today, I have very few options. Living in Collingwood, ON I have to ride over 250 km to the nearest dealer. I am fortunate to have a job that allows me to take a day off work when I need service but local support would be better. C'mon Triumph, you got me hooked on the inline triple with a dealer in Wasaga Beach and you left them for bigger and better. That left me without support.
So in summary, thumbs down to chain drive and thumbs up to dealer support.
Thanks again,
Nice! You live in beautiful riding country with the Niagara Escarpment right in your back yard. Thanks for the insights and I hope one of the local dealers brings in Triumphs soon.
Thanks!
Wow thanks! Much appreciated!
19 AT 4k miles and 10k price and honest dependable Honda! Im looking forward to the spring riding. Around Bend Oregon out on 2 wheels
I have the 2021 DCT version of this bike and after several thousand miles on and off pavement I can offer the following comments and observations. Overall it is a true 90% motorcycle - it can take pavement, groomed dirt, moderate gravel and shallow sand trails easily. Weight and stock tires are limiting factors for going deeper into the rough or mud and a seat change (Corbin) was necessary for me for more comfortable, longer distance, on-road touring. The huge gas tank, excellent brakes and selectable ride modes help inspire confidence off pavement. Minor nits with this bike are few and some are easily corrected. Rear brake pedal was too small for me and the sidestand is not confidence inspiring. Both fixed with inexpensive aftermarket bolt ons.
The Honda rider interface took a lot of time to learn to use and program. Too many buttons/steps and not at all intuitive. Lastly the DCT is amazing but requires the substitution of the rear brake pedal for “clutching” in conjunction with throttle modulation in the tricky stuff. Once learned, it’s a snap to manage off-road. Agree that upper and lower crash guards are must haves if going off pavement. I added a center stand (optional) to this bike for ease of servicing the chain, I’m glad I did.
Wow, thanks for the comprehensive info! The rear brake is a good tip.
Same Andrew. 2021 AS with DCT. Couldn't have said it better. 60 years old and 40 of them without a bike, rectified 2 years ago. My next one will be manual, with a quick shift. Slow speed manoeuvring, without a clutch, or riding up our gravel lane at 12 - 16 MPH, and it wanting to be in 1st or 2nd (and repeat....... and repeat) is annoying.
Paul: You may wish to switch to manual mode and utilize the shift buttons in that instance. I seldom override the DCT - but in this case, perhaps that is the right strategy for you. The buttons shift very rapidly in manual mode. Good luck, ride safe and ride often.
Nailed it...I have the 21 base model and I love it,best of both worlds... And hey y'all from Alabama.
Sweet Home Alabamy! Yep, the lighter bike would probably suit me even better.
Just purchased a 22 model manual the main reason comfort reliability. Out with my st2 Ducati and triumph sprint which are nowhere near as comfortable as I am 67. I have a crf 300 for off road with the usual mods for me cover’s all the bases. Thanks for the content cheers from New Zealander
If I lived in a wooded area, that would be my bike of choice. Price, features, and dealer network are big pluses.
I live in a primarily urban area so the Reble 1100DCT is my bike. It has the same engine and is plenty fast enough for me.
Great video as always folks.
Thank you.
Thanks! Stay tuned, I’m reviewing your bike next!
I adjusted the parking brake cable on my 19 DCT to act as a drag brake on slow maneuvers. Love my DCT on the road, but slow stuff was a little scary, Finally found the adjustment knob for the front break and now I can keep 2 fingers on the brake and have much better control.
Good thinking! That’s really the only drawback to the DCT.
Love Automatic transmissions on cars. On bikes I've found manual transmissions better. Mostly because keeping traction is so much about gear and clutch. It's great to have total control of those two.
Yeah, Honda did a great job with their DCT but a long time rider can still finesse it better.
I just recently purchased a manual standard edition one, (didn't feel like the extra cash and weight were worth either the DCT or adventure sports). Somewhat of a shame that you didn't get a manual with the quickshifter, banging it through the gears is so much fun and works extremely smoothly in most RPMs.
I do sometimes take my bike on tight single track, and although it takes some effort to get it to do what you want, it can do it, and its pretty fun. When going for test rides I couldn't properly test this (of course), so that makes me very curious whether the offroad characteristics of the AS really do differ much from the standard model due to the weight. For me it really was between the T7 and de standard AT. Didn't consider the BMW or KTM due to reliability, just like you, its something I care a lot about. I use my bike for commuting as well, and I can't afford my bike to be returned to the dealer every couple of months.
All in all I agree with most of the points you make in the video, it really is a 'do it all' motorcycle.
Do you plan on testing the standard/manual version as well?
Thanks! I can only test the bikes that Honda give me and this is the one they had in their press fleet. I tend to agree with your sentiments. I’d get the same bike you have just for weight savings. I’d miss the suspension on the Adventure Sports but not the weight.
Are you me from another continent? For the same reasons I choose standard AT, I got it four days ago. It's really is an amazing bike... Although I already dropped it on some off road tracks today :'D
Great review! I have a new-to-me 2017 DCT, and while I love just about everything about it, I'm not yet convinced that the transmission is really an upgrade. While I do appreciate the silky smooth shifting, I miss the manual shifter at times. I don't yet have much offroad time with her yet, but I expect that I will agree with your take on the pros and cons.
Great video, as usual! I really love the look of the AT, I think it may be the best looking ADV bike on the market. I was very surprised to see how well Brooke fit on it, I am only 5'7 so seat height on these bikes is always something I keep a close eye on. One thing I have noticed is that they are not easy to come by, I have been to several Honda dealerships and don't recall even seeing one on the showroom floor, not sure if that is the same all over or just in FL and NJ where I live
Thanks! Yeah, ADV bikes are selling out everywhere. The Adventure Sport was definitely a big bike for Brooke. Even the base AT is a stretch for a 120lb female rider. Guys are different even if they are Brooke’s height. No way she’s lifting that thing if it tips. The Rally is definitely more her liking… or the CB500X.
Great video and excellent review, I just ordered an AT myself (not going to get it before October!). Was tempted by the big BMW but Honda reliability was an enormous factor. If you are going to be out in the Australian outback you have to have a bike that is reliable, unlike Ewan McGregor and Charley Boorman most of us don't have a support crew when everything starts to go tits up.
Excellent point and that’s why Brooke and I ride Honda and Yamaha.
I tested the BMW 1250GS, KTM 1290 SAS, and Honda AT ES before buying my first big ADV. AT was the most intimidating being very very top heavy but I remember it being the most comfortable one out of the three. GS was just too rough and unrefined for me, almost tractor-like, despite being the class leader. I chose the KTM at the end of the day thanks to its more nimble attitude, better weight distribution and its orange color 🙂At the end of the day, I still miss my KTM 790 ADV 😞
I test rode that Super Adventure and that power put a smile on my face. Dang, you feel all of that muscle when you crack open the throttle.
Nice review again! I have the ATAS ES DCT and the T7 (world raid is coming next month). I love them both very much on there own way. The Tenere for his simplicity.....and the AT for his tech and relax ride. Have a nice day!
Honda, please make a 500cc Africa Twin Junior. Maybe lower the suspension a bit, by sacrificing the ground clearance or make it adjustable and make sure it looks the same as the big model but just a little smaller and I will buy it as a 2nd bike. Or update their 500cc bike to look like that...
The 750 Transalp is on the way, probably soon after the new Hornet comes out.
@@DifferentSpokesTV yes, I keen to see it in person and have feel for it.
Great video.This comparison should essentially be made between bikes with 21-inch front tires. However, not everyone is a rider who benefits from the 21-inch. Therefore, it's fun to choose while hesitating.
Yeah, the BMW does pretty well with a 19 inch but given the choice I’ll always go for the 21-18 combo.
I have a 2020 ATASES non DCT. I've taken it places some riders wouldn't try on a 250. Yes, it's heavy. But it will get you where you want to go. You must however remember that you're on 530lbs of motorcycle and ride accordingly. I.E. momentum is your friend. The seat is absolutely horrible and the dash takes some getting used to (you WILL get used to it and it becomes easy enough to navigate) but there is more adjustments in there than most realize. The Android Auto can be glitchy as well but works okay in general. The cornering lights are amazing at night and the bike works well pretty much everywhere. Overall, I am very happy with my purchase. Keep in mind that I am very experienced and a big strong guy. If you're smaller and or weaker this is NOT the bike for you off road.
really want a dct africa twin.
been riding an nc750x (490lbs) for a few years & think I'm finally ready for a bigger bike.
EXCELLENT vid - very helpful as I'm looking at one of the awesome bikes right now - many thanks! I agree that Honda reliability, quality and support is something that NONE of the Euros can come close to offering. I'm selling my 2014 Multistrada I've had since new (now only 3,500kms) to get one of these. Just wondering if I should wait and see the SUPERCHARGED AT they're all talking about that's been leaked in Japan from the patents office!! Cheers and thanks again from Sydney Australia.
Spectacular scenery.
Thank you. Central Ontario is gorgeous and has very little traffic.
Africa twin life forever ❤️ 👍
Great video.. I bought that very bike in the spring and have been loving it. In fact, I spent today putting on some Heed Crash bars (ugh.. brutal job). I would love to know where in algonquin you were riding. Not the tight single track but the area with bears or hydro lines..
Thanks! The Algonquin ride was up Basin Depot Road which ends and turns into a hydro-cut. In the hydro cut you get huge amounts of Raspberry bushes which are swarming with bears this time of year. There are also tons of side trails you can explore along the way. Get a summer park permit in case you run into rangers and good luck!
Apple carplay and Android Auto require USB connection. The seat is quite firm and isn’t comfortable for long trips. Apart from that a good accurate review.
Thanks for this video, I agree with your assessment. I currently have a 2022 ATAS DCT, and a Goldwing DCT. I am thinking about transitioning away from the Wing, because the AT can do different roads easily. Not that I have been in a lot of off road situations but the ability to do so is better than not being able to at all on the Wing.
You’re welcome! I tend to agree. A bike that can do more is better than one that can do less.
I hope the redesign of this bike will have a shaft drive. I am one of those people that find chain maintenance a burden. Great video!
Thanks! Don’t know about a redesign anytime soon but the Tiger 1200 just came out and looks pretty cool with the shaft drive.
Shaft drive is just more unnecessary things to go wrong. Changing a chain literally takes 20 minutes every few years lol
Another good review, thank you👍
You’re welcome!
sweet video guys!!
I just spotted that old Honda Africa Twin 35 minutes ago it looked well kept and had the distinct V-Twin noise with a lot of rattling
Had I been riding bask in 1988 I would have gotten that bike. But I was riding my ten speed as I was only 13.
Great review!
I have my ATAS 1100 DCT ES since 3 years. It was strange feeling to adopt myself to DCT version. It needs a little bit another driving technique but now I would never change DCT to manual. In fact since 3 year I do not see any competitor for my Africa so I do not thing about any change.
i agree, wish it had a shaft drive. i'm still trying to figure out if i go with the AT or BMW's 1250GSA. Price is always important but not the biggest factor. not sure about the dct but 80%+ of my riding will be tarmac and almost all the rest on gravel. i wouldn't take a such a big bike onto twisty trails. i have a pickup that can haul a 300 for that. the big drawback for me honestly is the amount of electronics. but the GSA and the AT have them. I'm sold on Honda, have been for a while and with three dealerships nearby with my closest BMW Motorad 80 miles away I think you can see where I'm leaning. Thanks for the video.
You’re welcome! Yep, that dealership network is a definite advantage.
Another great video!
Somewhere, Canada is just east of Whatyacallit, Canada. Many good times have been had in that general area.
In this case it was Algonquin :)
@@DifferentSpokesTV See you there a very nice place to ride
I’ve got a 2021 ATAS, best bike I’ve owned. Reliable , comfortable and super capable off-road. I don’t find it top heavy and the bmw gsa1250 is huge! Too much fuel tank, too heavy regardless of the supposed lower Center of gravity. I’ve seen GSA’s on thier side much more than AT’s.
Get the GS 750 but I’m thinking about swapping it for a 2020 AT
Great video. Nice 👍 work
What a super comfy bike!! Awesome video. Who is that standing at the top of the cliff? 😂
Thanks! Probably someone wondering whose rogue drone he’s looking at.
Great review ! Subscribed.
Thanks 🙏
I have a 2017 AT DCT and I love it
Hi there! Great video! Could you please tell me the name of crash bars on the yamaha : also from the front and from the back. Thank you!
Thanks! The Yamaha just has the Yamaha brand bars on it. They’ve already saved the plastics multiple times.
Great vid! Whatever most reviews state, I think the standart model is the best bet if you get lost on the double trails and find yourself in a single trail. The bigger AT AS (with DCT) is often described as THE offroad version of the line up but I think it is the other way around. Standart 19 here. With the old school ABS butten and mini lever to shut off TC it is hard to beat in the line up. Electronics yes, but easier that the 1100 to modulate when you have to. Gladly I don't need a Tenere as I got a sturdy DR 750 that can take a beating all day. I took the AT on gnarly trails I explored with the DR first. Surprised at what it can do. But: If anything simple breaks on this bike. Plastics, indicator, Foot peg mount - you will discover soon that a company's spare part pricing becomes important. Honda sucks in that department and is unfairly expensive.
Thanks for the info. Yep, I hit harder trails on my wife’s 300 before trying out my T7 on them. It’s better to pull 340lbs out of the bush than 480.
Great review! Is the Triumph Tiger 900 on your list? I don't care whether or not a bike has shaft drive.
Thanks! I rode the 800 a while back on pavement and really liked it. My impression was that it felt a lot smaller than this bike but maybe not the smaller base AT. Right now I don’t have a contact with Triumph Canada but am working on it.
@@DifferentSpokesTV the 900 and the 800 are different animals. (See what I did there?)
Yep! Nice!
@@DifferentSpokesTV if you ever come to Tennessee, I will be happy to loan you mine!
I’ll take you up on that!
Great Review! Any chance you rode the 2021 or 22 KTM 1290 Super Adventure? I'm debating the AT Adventure Sport or the Super Adventure. I like the Android auto aspect for road trips but that 160HP is a huge difference with the KTM. What would you pick?
Trading my 2018 KTM 1290 SA S for a 2023 AT Adventure Sport Manual. Love riding the KTM but waaay too many problems with it. Dealer support sucks here in Ontario and the bike has left me stranded on three separate occasions. Enough is enough.
Great review
Thank you!
Left hand break
43510-MKH-D21 OEM Honda part Africa Twin, 2019 and on
Honda makes this for AT and can be put on bike by dealer day of purchase
Master cylinder only $120 USD on Webike.
The DTC requires lots of rear breaking at slow speed. Honda makes a break for left hand
automatic transmission available in the Honda Navi too, though cvt.
Yes, that’s right. I tested that one in November.
@@DifferentSpokesTV I saw the video, I have one here in Bolivia , 3 years already, fun little toy.
Yes, that bike was new in the US but has been around in other countries for a while. I’m glad you’re enjoying it.
Great video 👍🏼
Thanks!
Love my manual Africa twin adventure sport ES. A great road bike and is certainly capable off-road but it’s a big heavy bike so have to be sensible with it!
Tested a 1250 GS before buying the ATAS and thought the ho da was a better bike
Only gripes are the brakes are only adequate at best on road and the paint quality on the frame is dubious for a Honda.
Yeah, the Nissans are fine but they’re not Brembos. The standard tricolour Twin has a sweet red frame but I didn’t get a close look at the paint. You’re right about the weight though, and it’s all high up. That’s why my wife didn’t ride this one.
@@DifferentSpokesTV mine is a 2021 so the same paint colour but just different stickers.
The standard model 2022 colours are much nicer than 2021 colours though. the red sub frame on the tricolour looks really good.
I ‘upgraded’ the brake pads to SBS but they didn’t make a lot of difference to be honest
For the brakes, what about stainless steel braided brake lines?
The perfect adv bike is the triumph scrambler 1200xe because it still looks classic yet can do everything the rest can do.
Nice bike for sure.
I had an early Africa Twin and with the soft suspension and 21 inch front wheel it was not good on the road, particularly curves. I'm curious how much the electronic suspension can help, or if good on-road performance is not possible with a 21 inch front wheel.
The electronic suspension is better for sure. I’ve ridden the old 1000 with the regular forks and found that if wandered all over the place in a curve. This one didn’t do that but it’s also definitely not as sharp as a sport tourer like the Ninja H2SX that I tested a few weeks ago.
Nothing wrong with it on the road. Handles much better than any supersport or cruiser I've ever ridden
I enjoy Japanese reliability and shaft drive on paved and forest service roads. I very much appreciate cruise control and electronic suspension. I don't believe I'll part ways with my Super Tenere ES any time soon.
Yeah, the Super Tenere is basically a more reliable GS. Too bad Yamaha shows no signs of updating it.
If you did more road riding than you do now, would you prefer this over your Tenere?
Absolutely. It’s more comfortable on pavement but not as good off road because of the extra weight. If you ride road with occasional gravel and dirt the bigger bikes are more comfy and faster. However, this bike costs a lot more than a Tenere 700.
Love adventure bikes & think honda africa twin/bmw 1200 gs are the top dogs 👍
The dct ATAS is the king
The perfect bike for and older guy with arthritis. The lack of a clutch lever fits my old hands and it is easy to control with larger pegs and the rear brake. Yeah, some may have more power, but few, and certainly not the BMW and KTM, have better reliability and after market adjusment possibilities. The Yam is much heavier and I can live with a chain drive.
Yes, Honda has a monopoly on auto bikes right now and is taking in a lot of customers as a result. The other brands should take note.
Japanese reliability it high on my list; that's why Yamaha is the only competition in my book. 😎
Shaft drive is a negative to me not a positive.🤨 I've owned two 1981 Yamaha XV 920s; a shaft-drive Virago cruiser and the enclosed chain-drive XV920 HR (which I still have; it's remarkably close in performance to my new Bonneville T120 and BMW F900XR). The shaft-drive Yamaha V-Twin was down on power vs the chain-drive version with identical engine and tune (my seat of the pants dyno suggests a 3-5 hp loss in the shaft gearing). While the enclosed chain of the 920 HR is a rare bird, modern X-ring chains are sufficiently reliable and maintenance free to trump the complexity, weight and power loss of a shaft.🧐
I'm too adicted to the pleasure of manual box. I sometimes drive my wife's '06 Mazda MX5 just for the therapeutic experiance of the world's best 5-speed box. Having ridden motorcycles since 13 (now 74) manual shifts are so groved into my brain that for all practical purposes my bikes DO shift automatically.😚
Great review BTW.😘
Thanks! Yep, Brooke and I miss our old manual VW. Something about shifting gears that keeps your mind more engaged in driving.
I test rode the old model and it had a very squishy front end and just wasn't as good on the road compared to the competition (V-Strom 1050, 1250GS etc.). Sounds like Honda has addressed some of the issues.
They did with the electronic suspension. I can’t comment on the base model.
Canadians are so... nice. Well, except for the head one anyway.
Great video!
Thanks!
Great looking bike, €18,500 over here🇳🇱 NL tho. Not in the budget at the moment, it's grandfather my trusty Transalp will have to do for now. But when i'm even older that DCT Will be 'handy'.
Yep! I expect a new Transalp in the next couple of years and that should be quite a bit less money.
i think honda has maxed out the africa twin and it is as good as it should be. If i were honda i would build a new bike dub it the Americas twin. a big high horsepower engine with shaft drive and with bells and whistles. heated grips heated seat radio adjustable windshield on board air compressor plenty of storage things like that to go after the bmw harley and ktm
Honda: “The cheque is in the mail”.
Seriously, very good review! I want one.
What a freedom machine!
I agree about Japanese bike reliability and dealer support. It’s good to not have to worry about the machine getting you there.
Thanks! Yep, these bikes take you places road motorcycles can’t, and that’s why I love them.
U said it Japanese are built to last my 8 year old Yamaha fz150cc runs smooth as ever
Yep, 25 years on the road, never had a problem with a Japanese bike other than a fuse burning out.
@@DifferentSpokesTV love ur content keep it up safe rides. Love from India 🇮🇳
Honda. AT is great!
I want one
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU HAD TO SAY "EXCEPT " I GOTTA HAVE A STANDARD...SORRY BUD..😉
I dont understand these bikes or why ppl like them, they look like an off-road bike but then again they have street tires.. do ppl really use these heavy thing to off road?
Most of the 5000 miles on my 2020 ATAS ES are off road. It works way better than 530lbs of motorcycle should. And when I say off road, I don't mean dirt roads. I mean legitimate off road trails.
Is the Kawasaki Versys 1000 even considered for comparison???
Not knocking dct. I know a lot of people like the innovation and convenience. I still prefer the shift my own gears. Everyone talks about how heavy the AT is. Look how much a Harley weights. And you won't be taking the Harley down any trails or dirt roads like that AT will.
The AT seems really cool but I’m torn between the AT and T7. I love big bikes but the T7 is beautiful and has insanely good reviews. The t7 is better for a in town and trails but the AT would be better for long highway rides and a passenger but riding with a passenger kinda sucks anyways lol.
Yep, that’s pretty much how they compare. I love that the T7 is a much lighter bike.
Lot of money for a bike.
Save a bunch and find an old Honda Transalp ot origin Africa Twin in Europe import it to Canada, as it'll be over 15 years old and get some vintage adventure riding done.
I bought an old NX 650 Dominator and will tour Europe with it.
Yeah, Europe is the place to find those because in Canada they’re super rare. Will also cost close to 10k Canadian, about as much as a new KLR650 Adventure.
The weight of the Africa Twin, and its power/thirst, are something I can do without. (See Itchy Boots.) I'm waiting for your review of the rumored Honda *Transalp* .
As soon as Honda Canada gets one in their press fleet I’ll bust some trails on it. I’m sure it will be awesome.
My 22 CRF1100A has been getting 59 mpg US. My 22 CRF300LR has been getting 72 mpg US in similar riding conditions. Just a couple of data points.
Thirty years ago I was waiting to graduate engineering school so I could purchase a ZX-11 and had no bike at the time. A buddy asked me to exercise his Honda Shadow 750 while he was out of the country for 6 months. I did, and enjoyed it so much I purchased a KZ1100 Spectre within the month. I did grab that ZX-11 and enjoyed it, my regret being that I didn't purchase the KZ1100 (or something) sooner.
You may not be without a bike now, but for anyone that is, don't wait for the perfect bike, grab something available and ride!!
Yep, for me it’s about the places you go less than the bike you’re on.
@@GripEngineering - MPG is highly dependent on engine RPMs. A 300cc engine screaming at US highway speeds will probably descend in MPG to an 1100cc engine's MPG when it's just loping along at the same road speed. I'm VERY interested to see what Itchy B. does when she hits Southern California's highways and freeways. :-)
@@DifferentSpokesTV - If you have a bad knee and back, weight DOES matter! :-(
To bad they've already discontinued it.
They aren't light...I've been riding Kawi Concours's...which tip in at 700lbs wet...these are light bikes to us normal tourning brats. I'm looking to enter the adventure touring market because I wan't to go places that my Connie14 simply can't go...so I 500lb bike is light especially when you figure in me and my lady...Just saying...
Yep, but you also have to consider that ADV bikes are taller. The weight sits higher, especially on loose surfaces.
Itchy boots doesn't mind chain drive
Most shaft drive bikes are heavyweight so not the type that Itchy Boots looks for.
For a overweight bike they are susposed to be reliable.
Yep, the base model is around 500lbs.
Lost me at auto trans.
It’s a 500+Lb bike….worse than Fat Amy.
Good looking bike, way too heavy for off-road, build quality poor, rusting POS...
Bike is crap. Bought it 2 month ago. Still can not used to stupid warning message I have to dismiss on every start-up. Looks like review was paid by Honda. Dislike.