Why Elon Musk's Boring Company Won't Fix Traffic: Debunking the Hype
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2023
- In tunnelling, logistics is more tricky than the tunnelling process.
Elon Musk, with his Boring company, is trying to revolutionize an already advanced industry. Does the boring company TBM has some new tech the tunnelling industry has not seen yet? Or is it just Hype. It's the latter.
Constructing tunnels is one of the most challenging engineering problems because of the many uncertainties when boring deep into the ground. The tunnelling process is extremely slow and expensive and requires many resources. But the industry is fairly advanced.
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I can't believe I just watched a 15 minute video about tunnel boring machines. It was fascinating. Thank you!
Glad you got value out of it :)
You pointed out high labor cost, but Switzerland, which has some of the highest labor costs in the world, can dig tunnel cheaper than most countries. On your graph at 9:19, you see that it is around 150M / km. So, it is also a problem of optimisation: Switzerland has dug a lot of tunnels in its history, so it has optimised the process a lot.
I'm Swiss, I'm a civil engineer, so let me answer this to you...
It's more complex than "just optimising"...
There are parts of a tunnel construction that have the same cost, no matter the tunnel length, and are fixed costs. The tunnel portal needs to be built. So if the tunnel is long, the portal cost per km decreases massively. And this can be expensive. Portal or a trench for a metro, etc...
The tunnel control station also needs to be built.
There is also the cost to assemble the TBM and transport it which is massive. If the tunnel is long, the installation cost per km is much lower than for a 2 km tunnel.
Then, if you don't take into account the ground conditions, your tunneling discussions don't make sense.
Examples?
- you build a tunnel in a good rock usable for concrete, you can sell the aggregates, reuse them for the tunnel concrete, the cost go down
- you build a tunnel in a polluted soil from a former industrial area, the ground needs to be treated, and the cost can be massive.
- if you're in a soil where there is no groundwater, or a very cohesive soil, the costs of construction, the speed, the waterproofing, the drainage won't be the same, and the costs will be reflected.
Then talking about Switzerland, yes, there is a massive experience, but one of the main quality of Switzerland is to prepare those projects on 10s of years. It's anticipated, prepared, so the decision making process makes sense. In other countries, projects start quickly, and there can be good surprises, that have costs and sometimes rewards.
But mostly, it's an international business. Marti, Implenia, 2 Swiss companies that do tunnelling are active all over Europe and even the world. So the Swiss expertise is exported. It's not exclusive to Switzerland. And same goes for engineering.
All in all, it's more complex, and not such a black and white situation.
ive takin the boring tunnel and the beauty is no stop lights, no stop signs, no cross traffic... just straight to your destination
Sounds like a train
LoL! It just takes you from one starting point to one destination, great!
@@madsam0320 what’s funny? I wish you were smart
A subway, not an amusement ride Tesla is needed for Vegas! The canada Line subway in Vancouver moves 34 million a year and except for a helicopter, is the fastest way to go from the airport to downtown or Richmondès Chinatown 17-21 kms.
The Vancouver (Canada) line has 16 stations over 19.2 km (11.9 mi) and carries 94,000 passengers per day and cost over $2 billion.
This compares to the original LVCC Loop which has 3 stations over 0.8 miles and carries up to 32,000 people per day at a cost of $48.7m.
So the Vancouver Line has over 5x the number of stations yet carries only 3x the number of passengers per day at a cost an eye-watering 41x more expensive than the Loop.
And the 68 mile 93 station Vegas Loop is being built at zero cost to taxpayers.
Sounds like the Loop is extraordinary performance for the money in comparison.
BS-the loop has been rjected by city after city and will only stay in Vegas.@@andrewfranklin7087
Peak capacity of the loop is 1,355 per hour, The Canada Line carried 228,190 a day during the 2010 Winter Olympics. @@andrewfranklin7087
I thought the boring project was supposed to have multiple forms of public transportation along with the “Tesla tunnels”
Anywhere traffic is congested 1 tunnel lane creates 3 surface freeway lanes of equivalent traffic flow
An excellent point! i'll sleal this marvel for my armament of pro-tunneling points.
8:10 Wow! Fantastic picture of tunnel collapse!
His 125 cars per hour means he put over 1000 feet between cars. With computer control, 100 feet at 60mph, 100km/hrs, is easy. So, 3000 cars per hour beats his train throughput
The Boring Co plans for 0.9 second headways giving 4,000 cars per hour.
The Boring Company paired with an electric train manufacturer to make subways/metros is the solution to modern traffic problems. If they want high speed, they can make side tunnels for the stops, so the stopping train has time to slow down and speed up in the side tunnel, but is going full speed by the time it hits the main tunnel. Then have some trains that are express, so they make few stops. They can also just make individual train cars that have certain routes, so they only go to the desired stop. If this is all automated, it eliminates human error.
Boring Co. tunnels also should work with the Hyperloop, but I assume that the Hyperloop would need to install a steel tube inside a Boring Co. tunnel to keep it airtight, and in rural areas it is cheaper to just build the tube above ground, so this is only for the urban areas, where buying the land is too expensive.
Nice video dude!
yeah, im surprised it only has 92 subscribers
Glad you enjoyed it.
I'm very new to RUclips. I only started making videos last month.
@@youngheroengineer Hope you make it big! Ill be a loyal follower till then!
Nice video, but your calculation at 11:20 made the assumption to have 0.8km, or half a minute gap between the cars. Why did you do that?
Just for the sake of simplicity. I assumed consistent traffic on the speed limit without traffic jams or incidents for 24 hours.
It is hard to predict the traffic flow without any thorough analysis and real life monitoring.
That's why I assumed that all these cars have 4 passengers (Which will never happen). This way, I was more conservative in my comparison.
@@youngheroengineer The current LVCC Loop has headways of 6 seconds or 20 car lengths between EVs at 40mph. That works out as 10 cars a minute or 600 cars per hour giving you 2,400 passengers per hour. This is how the LVCC Loop has been able to handle in the real world 4,500 passengers per day across the 3 stations and up to 32,000 passengers per day during medium sized conventions.
However, the main arterial tunnels of the Vegas Loop will have headways of 0.9 seconds or 5 car lengths at 60mph which works out as 4,000 cars per hour or 16,000 passengers per hour.
I think Boring company could do it well commercially if they build these narrow tunnels and just sell them as utility tunnels. Electrical wiring, maybe centrally heated water, or even a bit crazier idea: how about garbage conveyor tunnel, that could potentially solve the trash problem that New York has. Basically dump trash in a shute that is connected to such cheap narrow tunnel with a conveyor or something.
The Loop tunnels at 12.5 feet diameter are larger than the 11' 8" tunnels of the London Underground. I don't think Tube fans would appreciate you being so negative about this tunnel size.
Why not take the large Tesla vehicle out and have a narrower, commuter "car" which would require a smaller diameter tunnel.
So can the tunnels be retrofitted with trains or are they too small
So make a subway then? Cool idea. Is that you Elon?
Yeah I’m totally on team trains. If he could find a way to “disrupt” the subway tunnel building industry to make it cheaper / easier / faster for cities to make subways the I would switch back to team Elon :P
The current tunnels would likely be used for emergency access, ventilation or evacuation of atmosphere in the Hyper loop model. The only way to plot routes is with exploratory tunnels like this to test and solve bigger problems
PS.. Sorry, to your train question, they need the next tunnel size, 21 ft inside diameter to be able to handle containers on an all electric train, I believe it won't use rails but electric powered truck/ train hybrids passengers to be added later after getting the commercial freight business running.
Your drawn comparison between rail tunnel transport and boring company vison @ 12 min is not done without bias. When was the last time you climbed on a train with 1000 people? So cut your numbers in half and you might have a reasonable comparison. I believe people love and more often than not travel by car because they want or need their vehicles with them. Therefore, these express tunnels would be much more effective than you have indicated.
Equally it's not reasonable to expect every car will have four people inside it! Most of the cars on the freeway have just one person in them. So the car-in-tunnel concept is still much worse.
This morning. But to be fair it was actually around 2,300 people. Bit crowded at rush hour but still not full (2845 capacity). I will admit I had to wait 2 minutes (2.7 minutes headway) for the next train as I arrived at the platform as the train doors were closing. But from my breakfast table to my office (18km away) in 35 minutes (20 of them on the train) and costing me US$25c I shouldn't complain.
Just a taste of what life in a first world city is like.
When "people luv their cars 😢" is your only retort to not building actual rail systems, you're in some deep elonfuckery.
What do you mean? It's very favourable to the loop, firstly it's at least as invalid to assume every car will be full, and it's also very uncharitable to the train to assume a subway is running every 15 minutes, and that it's running only 13 hours a day but the loop runs 24 hours a day (most underground train systems run about 19 hours a day). It's also very typical that in a busy city, you do get on a train with a 1000 people on it, that's a very typical capacity for an underground train
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Excellent video - loved the discussion of the TBM technology! I do applaud Elon for the effort and what I'd consider a proof-of-concept in LV. This helps us to move forward to figuring out and optimizing the best solution. I agree that the rail tunnel is more practical in terms of passengers (though I think your assumption of 1,000 passengers for the comparison would be quite ambitious - not sure if any US trains have that capacity) but a challenge there is getting folks away from car-centric transportation to public transportation.
In terms of the actual tunnelling, I would say that Elon has achieved an acceleration, of sorts, in the 7 years since he decided to buy a TBM and just give it the old college try. He started with secondhand equipment and 30+ year old technology, after 7 years TBC appear, (based on their latest iteration of Prufrock being used in Texas), to be now only around 20+ years behind current TBM technology. At that rate they will catch up with the rest of us in around 24 years, assuming their technical progress is linear, which it isn't, it gets harder as you progress to make leaps forward.
The metro train I catch several times a week (partly built by the latest technology in TBM's and immersed tube tunnelling) carries 2840 passengers (fortunately it is rarely full to capacity); with a 2 minute headway at peak demand (6 minutes at low demand); 35 minutes door to door (20mins in the train); costs me $0:25 each way (I get the grumpy old git discount, but regular users pay about $1:20).
With his TBM expected to launch shortly in Texas to dig a short tunnel at the Gigafactory----all the fanboys can monitor a straightforward dig----- let's see the time it takes. Boys get your excuses ready----as this could not be a better test of a small tbm highballing in open face mode with all traill gear connected at launch
Spot on. I'm watching it closely. 3-4 weeks into it so far and the TBM is half built. Prufrock 3...over to you.
Now 9 weeks into the build/launch and still not a meter of tunnel excavated. No cross conveyor yet and possibly a hold up in the permitting stopping the start.
11 weeks to assemble (possibly 4 wasted due to the conveyor and maybe permitting delays, so let's say they could have done it in 6 weeks). First 80-90m took 3 weeks (pretty normal while using umbilical connections), then 6 days stopped to put the backup in and splice the conveyor into 2, 4 days to get everything commissioned (+ another 10m excavated). Since Tuesday this week (3 days) in full EPB production mode. Seem to be achieving about 10-12m per day now. Approximately 140m of an expected 300-320m completed in 5 weeks, 25 days, 6.5m per day. Expect completion in 3-4 weeks.
Remarkably average EPB TBM tunnelling so far. Hopefully they will give it the beans for couple of days to see what it is actually capable of as they have very little external constraints.
Thanks to the daily drone flights that allow us to monitor the progress, effectively in real time.
Your first comment - not solving LA traffic.
Assume autonomous driving systems and that key locations are on high speed loops.
Passenger transportation rates in these tunnels can be substantially higher than street traffic.
Assume about 5000 miles of tunnels are needed. At a four miles a month and with 25 machines, that is about 5 years of construction time. Assume they begin in 5 years - done in 2034...
Majority of congestion is due to people being slowed down by people looking for parking. With automated cars the need for parking goes away.
50-70% autonomous vehicles is the real solution...
"4 miles a month"😂😂😂😂😂.......stop it,. you made me spill my tea.
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Eppenberg ;-)
Good information about tunnel boring and the challenges facing the Boring Company in its efforts to develop superior tunnelling technology. Will it fail, well in the video of Elon being interviewed about the feasibility of his then new tunnel boring business he did say that, despite the desperate need to provide an alternative to the horrible LA traffic congestion, his idea might fail. However, this is easy to say, anyone including a young hero engineer can point out the many ways a new idea can fail so there’s no usefulness in saying it. But don’t forget that there were naysayers for SpaceX’s reusable rockets idea and Tesla’s electric vehicle for the masses idea either and look where they are now?
my left ear is very lonely
Humans on freeways drive closer than 100 feet from a vehicle
Indeed, a 2010 study by the Honda Research Institute found that 75% of cars on a busy 2-lane freeway have a headway of 1.0 seconds = 3,600 cars per hour (14,400 people per hour w 4 pax) while 40% have a headway of 0.5 seconds = 7,200 cars per hour (28,800 people per hour w 4 pax)
Note that a 1 second headway gives a distance of 6 car lengths between vehicles at 60mph. A headway of 0.5 seconds is 3 car lengths at 60mph.
And remember those are cars driven by potentially distracted, drunk and careless drivers.
The Boring Co aims to have a minimum headway of 0.9 seconds (5 car lengths at 60mph) in the main arterial tunnels which means 4,000 cars per hour or 16,000 passengers per hour one-direction down the arterial tunnels of the 65 mile Vegas Loop.
@@andrewfranklin7087 60mph(100kph) and 0.9 seconds headway.
Thats a 250m deceleration ramp, plus another 250m for acceleration, plus the actual bifurcations of say 100m each, plus, let's be generous and say, a 50m long station = 750m of construction to come off the arterial tunnel, decelerate, get into a station, accelerate, and merge with the arterial tunnel. The two 100m bifurcations cannot be constructed by TBM of course. (Method yet to be determined by TBC). All assuming acceleration/deceleration of 1.5m/s/s (human comfort levels), a straight line and no subsurface constraints.
Sounds a bit expensive and a lot theoretical to me.
Next, a 1.8 second gap for your taxi to merge into if timed to the 10th of a second, to get your 0.9 second gap. If not, you cause a deceleration of the next car. That's the definition of congestion.
Basically, you can't leave your station until someone wants to get off at your station (leaving the gap in the arterial tunnel bypassing). So, you need a queue of ridership and/or a large buffer supply of cars to come into the system, or storage for them to get out of it, if they are not to be going around empty or gaps in the traffic.
Any basic attempt at traffic modelling will show all these issues and the tragic flaw in this concept. TBC could (and should) provide a layout, and a traffic flow model, with emergency scenarios etc, before they get past the concept stage. (Any other road design has to do this the world over).
The boring company is not boring.
I think he give permission only of tesla cars if he gives permission to all cars with charging money then u think it's a good idea
No police to stop u u can go to highest speed man
The problem really lies in manual drive, people can't maintain speed while driving if there's too many cars at once. The tunels in their first iteration might solve it if you have them travel next to each other (like .5 meter distance) while maintaining speed of something like 60km/h
In theory it can be achieved by those "moving platforms" which can fit like 300 cars in 1km tunel and this is huge. It seems they failed once they made it non-automatic for users
Tesla FSD you are not going to be driving.
Elon Musk is proposing a faster taxi service for hundreds of people per day. What Las Vegas needs is a public transportation system for tens of thousands of people per day. Once Musk addresses all the safety concerns and the other costs (like stations), his proposal won't look like such a bargain, and it will not be useful for a majority of those who live and work and visit in Las Vegas.
Your first sentence is false. The tiny LVCC loop can already transport tens of thousands of people per day. The Boring Company just got approval to expand the Las Vegas Loop to 81 (or 93) stations and over 80 miles of tunnels.
@@kevinbailey8827 No, it can't. They can transport about a thousand people per day, which is terrible by public transit standards.
@@alexseguin5245 It already has transported tens of thousands of passengers per day, during CES, with an average wait time less than ten seconds and an average trip time less than two minutes.
If someone has shown you calculations showing that’s impossible, they probably don’t have the correct information to use as imports.
@@kevinbailey8827 No it didn't.
The LVCC Loop is already transporting over 32,000 people per day, which is double the 17,431 ppd average of light rail lines globally.
And what's really impressive is those LRT lines have an average 13 stations while the Loop does twice the volume over just 3 stations.
Curiously, a 100 mile $1.5B urban tunnel will generate around $3.5B net profit for the tunnel operator plus a $25B net profit for the vehicle manufacturer that sells tunnel approved vehicles. IOW, the vehicle company will profit more than the tunnel company!
Completely BOGUS analysis and conclusions. His example tunnel would transport 3000 vehicles per hour, 78,000 vehicles per day or 300,000 passengers per day... his capacity estimate though 24 hours fully packed isn't realistic. Regardless, tunnels are awesome for vehicles. 1 tunnel lane can carry 3 surface freeway lanes of traffic. Buil 1 SINGLE TUNNEL below I-405 and the surface freeway would never again have stop and go traffic. Build 2 tunnels and you could entirely empty the surface freeway of cars.
Anyway, the conclusions were completely wrong. Remove this incorrect video.
I could be totally wrong here, so just keep that in mind. I don't think his main goal is to solve traffic. He is building the worlds largest spaceship to go to the Moon and Mars to colonize them. He is building robots and working on an AI system, Solar and Battery technology as well as of course the Boring tech. I think what he is really doing is improving a technology to tunnel on the Moon then Mars with robot workers run by an AI. The reason for the small size of drilling machine is because of power requirements and you can stuff two segments in a starship or three if you were to modify the starship slightly. It can start drilling from a flat surface, makes the ring segments internally. A lot of safety issues are non issues if you have robots and no air. The best way to colonize the Moon or Mars is have a base waiting for the first landing party. This sounds fantastic but so did self landing spaceships 15 years ago. Just a thought.
He got a good deal on the first tbm he purchased as it was about to be scrapped
And his next one was made in China by all accounts.@@freddiecarr7602 But now they build their own (they claim). and we will see how amazing it is in Texas at the Geeega factory. It's doing the amazing project of going under a road embankment with no outside constraints. Only 4 weeks in so far and they have got half the machine built already.
I have got my popcorn ready.
Great points you are making. However I would point out that there is a cyber van coming that will accommodate 16 passengers per vehicle. When fully autonomous they will be driverless. They are now saying that the Las Vegas Loop will handle 90000 passengers per day over its 65 miles and 69 stations. I am concerned about the lack of safety features as well. Let’s see what they come up with. They are installing evacuation stair ways and bypasses. I recently took it to all 5 existing stations and from the convention center to the Resorts World Center. Took about 7 minutes end to end with a drive. It’s a bit claustrophobic at first but is very smooth and quiet. The cost to install a subway system in any major city from scratch would be in the 10’s o billions as well as decades to complete.
NYC built 20 miles over the past 20 years and the cost is over $1 billion per mile. The Brightline system in Florida has cost a few billion and years along an existing right of way and sharing tracks with freight trains. If the LV Loop works it could be the way to go. They are also talking about digging utility tunnels for water electric sewage and data lines. Speed here is essential and could be a game changer.
The other major rail tunnel project in NY will cost 15 billion and take 10-15 years. Granted it’s a rail project going under the Hudson River.
However it this works it’s a game changer.
Lol, even a modern 100% underground subway is cheaper per passanger than whatever Elon is doing here except in the most dense neighbourhoods of New York city.
man but for examples the london underground system is used by 2 MILLION people every day. This fking tunnel does not even have 1 million in a years jesus, how can you defend this underground tunnel. It is not revolutionary, it is just road under the surface whilst being thousand time less effective than subway or even a tram.
@@alexseguin5245 Except that the New York Second Avenue Subway cost an eye-watering $2.5 billion per mile and the New York East Side Access a gob-smacking $3.7 billion per mile.
Compare this to the *zero* taxpayer cost of the 68 miles of tunnels and 93 Loop stations of the Vegas Loop.
I think you have your comparison around the wrong way!
Not only did you completely misunderstand my comment, but you even made up a fictional story in which Elon Musk actually built a productive transportation system under Las Vegas for no taxpayer money. Impressive!
@@alexseguin5245 Except that the 68 mile, 93 station Vegas Loop is not fictional, it has already been approved by the Las Vegas Convention and Visitor’s Authority (LVCVA), Clark County and Las Vegas City Council and just about every hotel, casino, resort, the University, Allegiant Stadium, the new BallPark, etc have all enthusiastically signed agreements to pay for their own Loop stations at their front doors.
So far, in addition to the 3 original Las Vegas Convention Center Loop stations and tunnels, 2 additional stations and tunnels are also now in operation and 3 more stations and tunnels will soon be opening for a total of 8 Loop stations. Permits for subsequent steps such as the 4 stations at Allegiant Stadium,
The first 3 LVCC stations and tunnels were built for $48.7m paid for by the LVCVA, but the subsequent 68 miles of tunnels are indeed being built by The Boring Co at zero cost to taxpayers with the 93 stations being happily paid for by those business owners.
make a metro god damn it, look at moscow
Why spend $20 billion on a metro when The Boring Co is building the 68 mile, 93 station, 90,000 passengers per hour Vegas Loop at zero cost to taxpayers?
Boring's tunnels aren't a replacement for car tunnels. It's a replacement for the subway/metro.
The main difference is that for the subway, all cars stops when some passangers want to get on/off.
When Boring's system is done right, some cars stop at a station while the rest doesn't have to stop. They can continue without evenslowing down.
Any real engineer would realize this profound difference!
The mean time between subway stations in Stockholm is 2 minutes, and the distance between them is about 1 km.
The mean speed is about 30 km/h.
Boring's system doesn’t have to stop except for at start and end stations. It's mean speed would be about 70 km/h.
Any real engineer would realize this profound difference!
I'm a real Engineer (I have bits of paper that say so). Please explain how a car gets out of the tunnel to stop at a station and then goes back into the tunnel. I would assume this means acceleration and deceleration ramps if you want to keep the speed up in the running tunnel. So how are these ramps (bifurcations to give them their tunnelling name) built? not by a TBM its a fixed size, by cut and cover? That's a lot of land constraints. Inside the stations? now your stations are 400m long.
Alternatively you can have short steep ramps with right angle corners, and stations at the surface, just like they have built in Vegas. Resorts word to the South hall of LVCC is about a mile. The journey on the Loop takes about 6-8 minutes, depending on if you hit the tunnel traffic lights right at the resorts world tunnel. So that's 10mph on their current system. Not exactly a proof of concept to me.
I realize the profound difference between this and the Stockholm metro (and many others). So you are right about that.
@@davidsalisbury50
If you can't design it, and that seems to be the case, don’t claim to be a real engineer whaever paper you may have.
@@larsnystrom6698 But I have managed the design team on a number of metro tunnels. And been a contractor on them, and a client. And worked for a TBM manufacturer. And now I'm a tunnelling consultant. I believe my CV stacks up alongside most tunnel Engineers. I freely admit there are plenty of Engineers I admire who are far smarter than me. They really are brilliant people. Most of whom I think would agree with me.
I challenged you to explain your hypothesis, and you haven't. I put up some options, but they all seem fundamentally flawed. It's not for me to prove your theory, that's your job. It's how these things work.
I'm not an engineer, I'm an Engineer. We use the captial first letter to denote a professionally qualified one, not a washing machine repair technician (no disrespect meant to those fine artisans of the whirlpool, hotpoint and siemens, just as a point of reference).
But 35 years of tunnel construction, design and management. What would I know.
@@davidsalisbury50 To be fair David, the single Resorts World tunnel which has stop lights and alternating one-way traffic is a temporary measure until the return tunnel from Resorts World to the West Station and from the West station to Riviera Station are completed.
Once that is done, those tunnels will support the same 30-40mph and 6 second headways of the original LVCC Loop which take less than 2 minutes to transit with less than 10 second wait times.
@@andrewfranklin7087 Maybe so Andrew, but I can't see an alignment for the Resorts World return tunnel given the constraints around it. Plus, why not build it at the same time to save considerable cost. I haven't studied the West to Riviera alignment to see how that can be achieved, but the same economic drivers apply.
I have now filed and or received over 15 patents in the US, Europe, China, and India for toll tunnel transportation systems. I've been working full time for over 7 years.
Toll tunnels are best suited to long routes, 100 miles to 3,000 mile cross country routes. They will enable 120mph travel for private cars and for trucking. Faster and cheaper than any other mode of surface transportation including ocean freight movement. In the future, a lot of container ocean shipping from China to the US will be replaced by tunnels beneath the Bering straight. Faster and cheaper per ton mile with vehicle movement at 120mph with short charging breaks
Solving la traffic = train
Solving LA traffic= don't live there
@@WildlifeWarrior-cr1kk I don’t
@@zo62 me either
You failed to describe the vision of the Boring Company.
Autonomous vehicles moving through tunnels. When you pretend the plan is to have humans guide cars through 12 foot wide tunnels at 100 mph - you just completely missed the point.
You say some strange things... like the automation that produces concrete segments is not as good as the automation that produces segments at a distant factory. An automated process is an automated process - building them on site reduces transportation and handling cost.
Saying labor cost is high in the US - knowing all along that the thing launches itself without having to be lowered into a pit. It is built with the idea of reducing labor as a main goal.
Your video just doesn't line up with the comments made by the Boring Company and other tunnel channels I watxh.
It is like you are reviewing a completely different company.
Keep an eye on the segment processes--its complete B. S. with curing and other factors you will never see segments produced inside a tunnel. Also, look at the fanboys who perpetuate the rumors the tbm is now electric. Lastly---as it launches in Austin ---count the days for it to dig---it will be slower than the national average---what will be the excuse?
How many years would it take to dig 1 mi of that tunnel what are we looking at 4045 before those tunnels are created how does that help the Earth how does that help mankind
Recommended to watch for every 9 of 10 Musks engineers and marketing people😂
I calculated that the Boring Company subway tunnels in Las Vegas will be surprisingly profitable. They will work. However, there's a better way.
Transforming the tunnels into toll tunnels will increase the tunnel efficiency by allowing private citizens with private cars to access the same tunnels. That generates tolls from subway rides PLUS tolls from private cars.
Same tunnels, improved utilization, and increased enterprise revenue and of course, increased
NET PROFIT!
Well it’s not for traffic there’s a more sinister reason they are putting tunnels all through Vegas 👍
Yes, it's for public transit - shock horror! :-)
Don't you know American people hate train 😂
just let elon do his thing, if you dont like it dont ride it.... if you dont like it, you didn't have to pay for it...(unlike government projects that dont work)....ive taken the boring tunnel in vegas and i think its great... lets the people decide with their pocket books instead of you thinking it shouldn't happen... who the blank are you
Elon Musk never "came up with" ANYTHING. That would be his nameless, faceless and deliberately anon engineers.
By that measure, almost nobody truly invents anything new, because everyone builds on previous ideas. Ideas are easy, but actually engineering something to work is incredibly hard and much harder if you need to implement it at scale and make it economically viable. There are plenty of people who thought about making reusable rockets, but SpaceX actually did it. Plenty of people have imagined full-flow rocket engines before SpaceX, but SpaceX actually implemented it in the Raptor. Of course, it was really Tom Mueller who designed the Raptor, but he took the idea of a full-flow methane rocket to Musk, and convinced Musk that it was the right idea, and Musk provided the resources and leadership to make it into reality, which is why Musk runs great companies.
The automotive engineers are in awe of all the good ideas that Tesla implements, which they weren't able to implement in their own companies because management wouldn't let them do it. Sandy Munro says that he spent years trying to convince auto companies to use large castings and higher voltage components, but Tesla was the company that actually implemented Gigacastings and 48 volt components, and that takes leadership at the top to push through those kinds of changes. Tesla's Octovalve isn't that hard to imagine, but getting all the engineers and departments to work together to implement a unified heat pump that handles all heating/cooling through all areas of a vehicle is revolutionary in the auto industry. The unboxed manufacturing process that Tesla plans to use with the Model 2 is going to revolutionize the automotive industry because it dramatically lowers costs, but other automakers haven't done it because they didn't have the leadership at the top to implement it.
There are a lot of things that I think Musk does wrong, like not envisioning the Boring Co. making tunnels for subways, as this video points out, but you have to give him credit for pushing his companies for implementing ideas that other companies haven't implemented.
Who cares what you think
@@WildlifeWarrior-cr1kk , Who cares what you think when your response does nothing to address the points that I raised.
@@amosbatto3051 so what
Why passenger trains suck, everyone has to stop at every stop you are moving absured tonnage stopping and starting stoping and starting or you could be in a EV car and go only to where you want like everyone else in the Boreing Company system no need to wait at Hobokin for people to get off and on you are just going to your destination.
it seems you never experienced proper train system (europe ???). Around my city there is Underground subway and overground "subway/trains", there you got two type of trains, express ones (that skip a lot of stops) and normal ones (they stop at every station). I think this is also in NYC.
Personal Rapid Transit (PRT) am I a joke to you? Basically the Boring Company has a PRT system underground with human drivers instead of being fully automated. Being on ground level doesn't solve anything. Either underground (the more expensive & longer time way of doing it) or do it completely grade separated above ground in the air like a monorail (built for less money and built much faster and cheaper because almost all the pylons and guideways are built offsite in a controlled environment and then trucked and crane into position faster). More miles can be built faster for an elevated system just as safe in an earthquake vs an underground system. 😉
@@electricar9 What do you think Tesla's FSD going to do? Automate driving, if you doubt it go look at the latest FSD videos that people have made, have a nice day.
Well, what if the point of Loop system is not to transport 48000 people a day in a rail car, but to transport 24000 people a day in a Tesla car?
At least it's private and you don't need to get in a car with strangers.
No ventilation , tiny congested tunnel , only Tesla cars? This is like idiocracy …
On the contrary, the LVCC Loop has a robust ventilation system that can move 400,000 cubic feet of air per minute in either direction down the tunnels.
It is also not congested. If you have a look at the footage of the supposed “traffic jam” that occurred once at the small CES 2022 you’ll see how the EVs just slowed down briefly because the South Hall doors were locked for some reason.
There have been no other videos of this sort of incident ever happening again - not even during the much larger SEMA or CES 2023 conference which had 114,00 attendees and had 25,000-32,000 Loop passengers per day.
Now compare that short slow down against a train where passengers literally have to queue up standing on the platform for on average 15 minutes in the USA waiting for the next train.
The average wait time for the Loop was less than 10 seconds for the latest CES this year.
And then those poor train passengers have to put up with the train STOPPING AND WAITING AT EVERY SINGLE STATION before they get to their destination, whereas Loop EVs travel direct point to point to their destination without stopping at any stations on the way.
Now which would you prefer?
@@andrewfranklin7087 Well great - you should be their spokes person …
So this guy clearly doesn’t know what he’s talking about and no, the dealer you go the harder the rock the easier to mine. Just an FYI. Coming from a tunnel expert
Ha!.... a tunnel expert.....Ha! "the dealer (deeper) you go the harder the rock the easier to mine." That was a good one. I spilt my tea.
Your ego is out of control
Here is why YHE is wrong, time and money the traditional tunnel he displayed costs to much and takes to long by the time it would be done The Boreing Company will have finished 8 lanes of traffic each in its own tunnel for one tenth of the cost 6 years sooner.
Another cloaked fanboi video. "Elon Musk is usually never wrong"