I went ballz deep on the 300L with the upgrades LOL. Fixed the biggest weak spot on the 300L with cogent Dynamics suspension. Hard to beat for $6700 out the door granted the 550 performance and full Yoshi made a lil dent $ also. I'm barely on the balls of my feet with the 300L, I wouldn't be willing to ride any taller of a bike. Also the high compression, low mileage service intervals and low speed stalling drove me away from the 450 including the price.
@@roycemartin9068 suspension wise, a good rear shock nowadays can cost you from 400 to 700 dollars, the front would need a total rebuild, revalved from a good suspension specialist like RaceTech. But a 200$ spring and fresh oil can also do the trick for a cheap alternative on the front. Yeah, the suspension on that thing is garbage.
I think I'm going to go with the 300L (probably the Rally edition) as my first real bike (rode scooters in the past). Just seems like a great all around beginner bike. I like everything about it. And I used to have a blast on the 50cc scooters. Don't really care about how fast it can go.
I went with the CRF 300L Rally. The 3.4 gallon tank (vs. 2 on 300L / 450RL), mildly lower seat, and of course it looks nice. Seat is comfortable. Pegs are big enough. No LED signals though. It is gutless for sure. I use it to ride to work on non-highway roads, and riding forest roads. It suits my needs. I am glad to see you picked-up the 450 as that will suit you needs! This is a great video for this not-often-talked about machine.
A year a go I was deciding between the two as a first bike, went with the 450l, no regrets, 20 000miles, no valve adjustments, 100% reliable and I still smile every time I ride it. Would recommend to anyone except for pure single track hard enduro, I still single track but you can feel the weight
I upgraded KLX300 to 450Rl. Im loving mine!!! I altered my throttle tube by flatening out the first inch or so. That helped the throttle come on a little smoother. Also took off the air box and it seemed to have better response. After some miles the engine broke in and smoothed out. Im sure ill still put an ecu and exhaust on at some point.
I have a CRF450RL, and it gets much better after break-in. It vibrates less after 500ish miles and with an ECU the low end torque improves quite a bit. It still isn't a great hwy bike, but it'll cruise 65 pretty well. Over 70 it gets buzzy.
That’s why Honda builds both I went with the 300 and suspension the bars are fine unless you crash and bend them the power is fine for most I’m coming off a KTM 530 55 ish hp with crazy short service intervals I did full k-tech suspension some protection stuff my 2023 was $6700 out the door suspension $1900 installed I don’t count the protection items like skid plate hand guards frame gears as both bikes need that so I’m a solid $3 k less handling similar and yes less power but ask yourself do you really need it to be honest I didn’t I love the smoothness the long service intervals the reliability the fuel range the 300 is great for back roads two tracks and “trail” riding. If your an enduro racer by the race bike
No arguments both are great bikes. I hope I didn’t come off saying the 450 was a better bike overall. The CRF 300 is an absolute gem. I was just explaining my thoughts what was gonna work me and try and explain some of the key differences between the two.
300l has a big bore kit out with 550 performance tune included for $700 put it at same power as 450rl might be wrong, but still maintaining the service intervals as stock crf300l. TBH i don't think hp is that important in off road applications, compared to pavement. I've hit 84mph on crf300l flat highway. 450rl hit the same speed for half the price, yes it needs suspension, but ive been doing good with it stock as im not jumping 20ft in the air.
Are you planning to keep the 300 as well? I have the 300l with full Rally Raid suspension. No power type upgrades. I've considered the 450RL numerous times but would very likely be giving up my 2 stroke enduro bike to do so and keep the 300l setup for more light adventure rides. (Have a set of 19/17 wheels for it)
I bought a 300 to serve the farm an quick trips to town n back progressive springs for a suspension upgrade front n back for 300 bucks that’ll make it capable enough for what I’m gonna do with it I’m not putting stupid money trying to rope that unicorn defeats the point of it being cheap but capable bike I agree jus buy the 450 if your serious about hauling ass on trails and being somewhat road friendly from a to b
These bikes are incomparable, they are at different ends of the spectrum. One is a soft low power ADV bike and the 450 sits somewhere between an Enduro and a Dual Sport. 😊
I disagree, respectfully. The way the 450RL flames out at low speed on more technical slower applications is painful. The 300 L beats it hands down all day long. The 300 L is FAR, FAR more forgiving then the 450 will EVER hope to be. I will take the 300 L all day, every day over the 450 and will be much happier with the decision every day for the rest of my life.... Hope this helps.
Running a custom map ECU on the bike has solved 99% of the flame outs I have experienced in slow speed woods stuff. I still like it better for a light ADV mainly for the suspension and geometry perspective over the 300L. It’s definitely not a novice bike or for the new rider.
I bought a 2024 Yamaha WR450F its a lot lighter has a lot more HP and I didn't have to buy a vortex ECU , a new exhaust, new tires and everything else to make it run and ride good also it has KYB suspension. It all depends what you want and what kind of riding you do. I ride at least 90% off road.
@@misterchuck6866 It desperately needs a better seat. The stock one is basically a log splitter. I adhere to the absurd 600 mile OCI. That has been stretched out quite a bit by others. It would make an excellent travel bike with a bigger fuel tank and a better seat.
I'm looking to buy my first bike and these 2 are like my heart and mind at war 😂 I'm wondering if dual sports are a waste of time as owners always end up compromising. I feel like I'd be better off buying a road and dirt bike that way I get good service intervals on my road bike but can really make the most of learning to ride off road on a lighter, more fit for purpose bike off road
I've thought the same thing but concluded that off-road east of the Mississippi limits you to just a few areas (purpose-built tracks, really). For instance, in Alabama there's only 8 public places that allow off-road vehicles.
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I went ballz deep on the 300L with the upgrades LOL. Fixed the biggest weak spot on the 300L with cogent Dynamics suspension. Hard to beat for $6700 out the door granted the 550 performance and full Yoshi made a lil dent $ also. I'm barely on the balls of my feet with the 300L, I wouldn't be willing to ride any taller of a bike. Also the high compression, low mileage service intervals and low speed stalling drove me away from the 450 including the price.
What are you in $ total? Including cost of bike, suspension, ecu etc?
@@roycemartin9068 I'm sure you can figure that out.
@@JamesPiccone How about just not being a dick and telling him, Shortshit?
@@roycemartin9068 suspension wise, a good rear shock nowadays can cost you from 400 to 700 dollars, the front would need a total rebuild, revalved from a good suspension specialist like RaceTech. But a 200$ spring and fresh oil can also do the trick for a cheap alternative on the front. Yeah, the suspension on that thing is garbage.
I think I'm going to go with the 300L (probably the Rally edition) as my first real bike (rode scooters in the past). Just seems like a great all around beginner bike. I like everything about it. And I used to have a blast on the 50cc scooters. Don't really care about how fast it can go.
I went with the CRF 300L Rally. The 3.4 gallon tank (vs. 2 on 300L / 450RL), mildly lower seat, and of course it looks nice. Seat is comfortable. Pegs are big enough. No LED signals though. It is gutless for sure. I use it to ride to work on non-highway roads, and riding forest roads. It suits my needs. I am glad to see you picked-up the 450 as that will suit you needs! This is a great video for this not-often-talked about machine.
Thanks. The 300 is a great bike for what it does.
A year a go I was deciding between the two as a first bike, went with the 450l, no regrets, 20 000miles, no valve adjustments, 100% reliable and I still smile every time I ride it. Would recommend to anyone except for pure single track hard enduro, I still single track but you can feel the weight
I upgraded KLX300 to 450Rl. Im loving mine!!! I altered my throttle tube by flatening out the first inch or so. That helped the throttle come on a little smoother. Also took off the air box and it seemed to have better response. After some miles the engine broke in and smoothed out. Im sure ill still put an ecu and exhaust on at some point.
Love my 450 RL it is a blast. Put 2k miles on it before you do any thing. Raise the idle to factory spec all is good.
Being 6' 3" 230lbs the 450 is the only way to go for a big guy , the 300 is just to slow with me on it 😊
Was curious about that. 6’4” 245 currently and dont want to invest in a bike I’m going to mog.
@@NMELMNT it's a fun bike don't get me wrong but like all the 250f's I've owned they just don't quite have enough power for me
I spend over have my time in the woods but I got the 300 to avoid so much maintenance
I have a CRF450RL, and it gets much better after break-in. It vibrates less after 500ish miles and with an ECU the low end torque improves quite a bit. It still isn't a great hwy bike, but it'll cruise 65 pretty well. Over 70 it gets buzzy.
That’s why Honda builds both I went with the 300 and suspension the bars are fine unless you crash and bend them the power is fine for most I’m coming off a KTM 530 55 ish hp with crazy short service intervals
I did full k-tech suspension some protection stuff my 2023 was $6700 out the door suspension $1900 installed I don’t count the protection items like skid plate hand guards frame gears as both bikes need that so I’m a solid $3 k less handling similar and yes less power but ask yourself do you really need it to be honest I didn’t I love the smoothness the long service intervals the reliability the fuel range the 300 is great for back roads two tracks and “trail” riding.
If your an enduro racer by the race bike
No arguments both are great bikes. I hope I didn’t come off saying the 450 was a better bike overall. The CRF 300 is an absolute gem. I was just explaining my thoughts what was gonna work me and try and explain some of the key differences between the two.
Looking forward to hear your thoughts after riding the 450 off-road. I ride mine everywhere.
Thanks video will be dropping soon but a little spoiler it’s a blast
Money you save on oil change entervals may help with buying things for it. I like the 300 fuel economy and oil change intervels
300l has a big bore kit out with 550 performance tune included for $700 put it at same power as 450rl might be wrong, but still maintaining the service intervals as stock crf300l. TBH i don't think hp is that important in off road applications, compared to pavement. I've hit 84mph on crf300l flat highway. 450rl hit the same speed for half the price, yes it needs suspension, but ive been doing good with it stock as im not jumping 20ft in the air.
If you want a grocery getter buy a 300l. If you want a street legal dirt bike buy the 450rl.
Fix the twitch. Install a GET SX-1 ECU! Best aftermarket ECU out there. Taco Moto set mine up perfectly. Smooth power that just keeps on pulling!
Are you planning to keep the 300 as well? I have the 300l with full Rally Raid suspension. No power type upgrades. I've considered the 450RL numerous times but would very likely be giving up my 2 stroke enduro bike to do so and keep the 300l setup for more light adventure rides. (Have a set of 19/17 wheels for it)
Yea that’s the plan. Ride both and see which bike is better suited for me.
Any thoughts on the 701?
I bought a 300 to serve the farm an quick trips to town n back progressive springs for a suspension upgrade front n back for 300 bucks that’ll make it capable enough for what I’m gonna do with it I’m not putting stupid money trying to rope that unicorn defeats the point of it being cheap but capable bike I agree jus buy the 450 if your serious about hauling ass on trails and being somewhat road friendly from a to b
Good content, keep it up.
The bike isn’t twitchy. I have just come from a Husqvarna FE501 and the Honda performs the same as that. It’s all about control.
These bikes are incomparable, they are at different ends of the spectrum. One is a soft low power ADV bike and the 450 sits somewhere between an Enduro and a Dual Sport. 😊
I wish Honda would have put the 300L motor in the 450 chasis.
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I disagree, respectfully. The way the 450RL flames out at low speed on more technical slower applications is painful. The 300 L beats it hands down all day long. The 300 L is FAR, FAR more forgiving then the 450 will EVER hope to be. I will take the 300 L all day, every day over the 450 and will be much happier with the decision every day for the rest of my life.... Hope this helps.
Running a custom map ECU on the bike has solved 99% of the flame outs I have experienced in slow speed woods stuff. I still like it better for a light ADV mainly for the suspension and geometry perspective over the 300L. It’s definitely not a novice bike or for the new rider.
I bought a 2024 Yamaha WR450F its a lot lighter has a lot more HP and I didn't have to buy a vortex ECU , a new exhaust, new tires and everything else to make it run and ride good also it has KYB suspension. It all depends what you want and what kind of riding you do. I ride at least 90% off road.
But can you ride on pavement legally?
@@davidsalo8397 Yes I have it plated and can drive it on the road. I only drive on pavement to get to the next trail. 95% offroad.
Have you found a larger fuel tank?
@@timothydrake1030 No I haven't. The way the bike is made its hard to put a larger tank on them.
But you don’t have 6 speed or the comfort of knowing that the CRF has won more races than any other bike in North America.
I owned a 250L Rally. Traded it for the 450RL. Do I miss the Rally yes. Is the 450 a keeper? Yes.
are you using the 450RL as a light adventure bike? if so hows it do at travel? and what service intervals are you using? thanks
@@misterchuck6866 It desperately needs a better seat. The stock one is basically a log splitter. I adhere to the absurd 600 mile OCI. That has been stretched out quite a bit by others. It would make an excellent travel bike with a bigger fuel tank and a better seat.
I'm looking to buy my first bike and these 2 are like my heart and mind at war 😂
I'm wondering if dual sports are a waste of time as owners always end up compromising. I feel like I'd be better off buying a road and dirt bike that way I get good service intervals on my road bike but can really make the most of learning to ride off road on a lighter, more fit for purpose bike off road
Maybe a Honda 300 Rally great light weight adv bike
I've thought the same thing but concluded that off-road east of the Mississippi limits you to just a few areas (purpose-built tracks, really). For instance, in Alabama there's only 8 public places that allow off-road vehicles.
Does it have a fuel gauge?
No it doesn’t
@@SquatchReloaded thanks!
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All those mods won't get the 300 past 28hp if you want a race bike buy a race bike .