@@gidlehearts Bc if someone is anti-the company just bc it's BTS "company", they'll be biased reporting things about the company, lie about it and give out misinfo for others to be mantis (of BTS) or directly antis.
@@gidlehearts Just use your head, if Hybe falls, BTS will be damaged too, not completely but still damaged. There are also other very good groups in Hybe. And I don't get involved in fan wars either, because it's usually the labels and the fan clubs running by the labels that cause trouble and not the groups themselves.
@@gidlehearts Because whether you like them or not, the information in the video is clearly biased and incorrect. Plus, Hybe is a company that BTS has stocks in and therefore misinformation and slander that affects the company also affects BTS. Not to mention, BTS gets the brunt of hate anytime something negative happens with Hybe. So misinformed videos like this ultimately affect BTS in the long run.
I agree with others, kookielit is not a good source of anything that may go near BTS. MHJ has a history of being shady and extremely questionable in her choices and she has been turned into the police and is facing lawsuits already. Edited to add: additionally the first video just plain old has a ton of incorrect facts.
To answer some of your questions at the end, Min Hee-jin is a traitor. Hybe is not perfect, but Min Hee-jin is delusional. She already has her due and is just greedy to get more. She is the highest paid official at Hybe. She makes a higher salary than the current CEO of Hybe (side note: Bang PD is the Chairman of the Board, but he resigned his position as CEO so he could spend more time producing music.) Bang PD also let Min Hee-jin borrow money from him so she could purchase more shares of Ador, and she still owes him money for that loan, so she is trying to steal multiple things from Hybe--money, a label, and the girl group New Jeans. He bent over backwards to give her what she wanted, but she started making requests that he couldn't in good conscience fulfill. To give you an idea of how far she's gone, Ador's offices are located on the top floor of he Hybe building, above Big Hit and BTS. She deliberately chose to release New Jeans' music when RM had scheduled to release his new album to directly compete. She wants to defeat Hybe and BTS. But what is almost worse is she has brainwashed the New Jeans' girls and their parents into believing they need her to succeed, even after her text messages were released to the public where she called the members lazy and fat. She takes credit for all of their achievements and doesn't give credit to the girls, and I think some of the members are still minors.
Also, she took the New Jeans trainees from the label Source Music and transferred them to Ador, which means she left Source Music with a bunch of trainee debt, which her label does not have. There's a ton more that she's done that is very shady.
17:32 she literally used "BTS sisters" to promote newjeans. And if she wanna to talk about plagiarism or copying let her explain Mexican girl group Jeans.
that first video seems biased :/ they kept on talking about mhj as though she was a victim of hybe when it seems like she was the one gaslighting everyone and breaking her contract??
That's because KOOKIELIT is known for spreading misinformation... When I tell you that- when I saw Jonathan opening a video from that channel, my instinctual reaction was to scream bloody murder. I had a visceral reaction to that. KOOKIELIT has been slandering kpop groups for YEARS. I wouldn't even doubt it if they are being paid to do a smear campaign 😅
Well yeah because her and her audience are biased, she’s not a reliable source and many armys don’t like her as she has posted false info in the past. MH is not a victim, the only victims are the groups that were dragged into this.
MHJ being so SHOCKED that she couldn’t own 100% of Ador despite not having been the one to put a single penny into developing or debuting the group REAKS of entitlement. Like girl, they have you nearly 12 million dollars to play with and you’re SHOCKED they want to make sure you’re not misusing it???
I don’t know why people believe a word mhj says when it’s been proven that she lies constantly (or tells half truths to paint a different story). Once someone proves themselves to be a liar, if you believe them you’re an idiot.
Hybe has also recently found evidence linking Min heejin to a reporter that’s been behind writing these defamatory articles. She’s facing multiple criminal charges and possibly jail time.
All it takes is a clear head and the ability to do your own research. And of course, a sense of humanity. So many people on twitter just eat up BTS defamation without question. It’s pathetic and honestly it’s getting really boring.
Just to point out too, MHJ does not care about NewJeans members sadly, her texts about them were awful. She also sent 5800 texts to her shaman who she calls her dead sisters name.
@@rkivelover MHJ attempted to hire someone picked specifically by the shaman to supposedly be the living vessel of her dead sister's soul so 'she' could assist her right by her side, but this person ended up accepting a different job. I don't know either.
9:07 no I feel like it's pretty agreed on that it feels like she's using her supposed emotional state as a tactic. Crying, and while doing so, exaggerating her relationship with the members of NJWNs to manipulate how people saw the case/her [saying that all the members just loved her 'sooo much!']... we already know she is a bit of a creep, so it's all just weird whew.
People want to see bts fall so bad, it’s been like this ever since bts started surpassing the biggest groups at the time. As a 2014 army I am so tired of these smear campaigns, I saw a tweet a few weeks ago saying veteran armys (armys that have been with bts since their early years) have become numb to all of this and that is very true, I witnessed other kpop fans, the media, and now MH try to take down bts and they have failed every time. The cult rumors are outrageous, it’s like people find it so hard to believe that bts’s success is organic so they will spread/ believe this rumors. I hope Hybe vs ador feud ends soon because Jin is coming back soon and it’s a shame if he comes back to the company him and his group built from the ground up, in chaos. MH has shown that she is against bts, bts’s money was used to fund her group/company yet she was clearly planning something since she contacted Bts’s accountant, she has no business reaching out to their accountant. I find the first video is biased as she left out important facts on the situation and seemed to be leaning towards painting MH as a victim when it’s clear the only victims here are the groups dragged into this mess.
I think when you say "she's trying to get her due" it's because of that first video being your introduction. it's HIGHLY biased and inaccurate. Here's the shortest version I can think of: she cherry-picked the best trainees out of Source music (with them having trained them) so they took the financial hit to prepare them, took them, created Ador, did heavy media play to call NwJns BTSs little sisters, (two of them even appeared in one of their big English MVs), used heavy media play using BTSs name, and when you look at the chats and timings, the planning to do this started before Illit debuted, so they were most likely just a useful excuse (as you could see, she accused other groups of "copying" also). She planned to damage hybe to the point where either she could force them to buy her out to make it stop (with her getting tons of money) or making them vulnerable to takeover. Either way, she absolutely had been planning this for a while and was planning to use private info of artists to hurt them and HYBE... she is NOT a victim in any way, shape or form. ...oh and BSH loaned her a million dollars for her stake in the company to begin with.
Nah Tribe Leader, don’t change on this one, I would also question MHJ’s motives when she was “crying” at that conference, given there were no actual tears, she barely addressed any of the actual accusations against her, her lawyers were visibly face palming in the background, said bunch of shit that had been already debunked as absolutely false, claimed she was under a slave contract despite being paid more than the actual CEO and have been lent money by Bang PD himself to buy the shares in Adore that she had and she just rambled non-sensually about people copying her for two hours- which for the record, I don’t think is true even slightly and she’s been caught having plagiarised a bunch of the shit she’s claiming was her fresh new original never been done before ideas.
There is a kdrMa where a pr person is telling the protagonist how to dress meekly, tKe tisdues to appear to cry, etc to gain public sympathy. Min Hee Jin playes this part to a T.
I think she had something on her face under her eyes. It’s shiny, but not in a tear streaked way, it’s more like she kept her eyes irritated and her skin has like Vicks or petroleum.
@@maryhduke2307 not surprising considering she was literally hired to do marketing and promotion, she’s literally a professional in how to spin things to the public
whats crazy is stuff coming out more recently showing that min heejin likely plagiarized a buncha older groups (even a mexican group called jeans) to create new jeans so like LOL
Kookielit’s video was dodgy as shit by the way, they’re very much an anti of both BTS and Hybe, and was presenting blatantly false information throughout the video and also reframing things to make Hybe and Bang PD look as bad as possible. Like that video could hardly have been more sympathetic to MHJ’s nonsense if the was paid to do it
@@jayd2466 There's nothing particularly weird about her contacting a shaman per se, I would call it dumb or sus depending on the subject's personality, but the kind of conversations they had is what that made me concerned. Simply unhinged stuff.
For the record, I still don’t think Illit copied New Jeans, but I think MHJ knew there would be enough superficial similarities even before their debut to make kpoppies believe her bullshit so she could cry out about mistreatment. Most kpop girl groups exist on a sliding scale from girl crush to cute in terms of concept, and with underage members in the group- does MHJ think debuting minors is her own original idea?- cute was the safe option. There are also other restrictions caused by them having girls who are still in high school in the group, including that they can’t dye their hair, so a more natural look makes sense styling wise (again not a copyrightable concept.) But the thing is, even if both groups use cute concepts, they both have very different interpretations of it. Illit has gone for a soft, girly vibe, while New Jeans from the beginning has had this tomboyish, athletic, confident vibes. They have the same concept in the way that Mamamoo and Blackpink have the same concept- technically both girl crush if you squint. The other similarity they have is literally caused by neither of the groups having any powerhouse vocalists or experienced rappers, so maybe if you don’t know shit about music or genre, you might thing they have a similar sound when in reality they just have a similar tone. They’re not even in the same genre, New Jean’s foundation is R&B and they’ve been going into different club styles with their newer releases, while Illit only has a couple of songs so far, they’re way more into house and synthpop then anything New Jeans has ever released. The comparisons between them is skin deep, but that’s enough to convince Kpoppies because so many of them have zero reading comprehension skills. I do wonder if Jonathan will do a “reacting to Illit because fuck Min Hee Hin” video, but honestly, I’m pretty sure they’re not his vibe and that’s perfectly okay. Edit for added note: Belift (aka the sub-label behind Illit) is now suing MHJ for defamation
I don't know anything about music or genres but I didn't see any similarities between ILLIT and NewJeans. Honestly I think ILLIT does cute better, I don't mean this in a bad way.
The way my heart sank when you started watching the Kookielit video 😂 I can't speak to the content of the Kookielit videos on this topic, but I've noticed their thumbnails throughout the case have basically been mirroring the (paid) smear campaign headlines. Fake and nasty. I note the whole video you watched was told from the perspective of "MHJ claims xyz" with none of Hybe's statements included. You should get deeper in to this drama Loui, it's wild. A full narcissist in action!
The thing is newjeans isn't even min heejin's original idea either, they've been accused of plagiarizing other groups with concrete proof. Nothing she's done was 100% original so she has no right to cry about copying. She also complained that other hybe groups should've asked HER for permission to be the ambassador of certain brands because newjeans had done it first when BTS members and others were ambassadors first, SHE should've been the one to ask for permission. She's just childish and entitled as hell. And that first video seemed very biased, they said Hybe didn't have evidence when they did in fact present all the evidence in court, they just didn't reveal it to the media. On the other hand, min heejin accused hybe to make this a 'public opinion war' when she was the one crying her ugly face off in a 2 hour long press conference lmao
They wouldn't provide all evidence at this point until the suits are through court, which has yet to happen. So far it's just been an injunction hearing. This isn't where Hybe produces all the evidence against her.
Jonathan, as someone below already mentioned, the channel Seoulite TV provides better information about this issue, plus he's funny. The channel Asian Entertainment and Culture is excellent. She provides sources on her Patreon, and most of Patreon posts are free and not under a paywall. She only puts really sensitive information under a pay wall (that is still affordable). She wouldn't be able to post the sources on RUclips due to copyright. However, she does provide her analysis and opinions of the sources on RUclips.
Seoulite isn't any more balanced though, because more than providing fair updates about both sides, their stance is very clearly against MHJ. I think as much as we are all ARMY, it's also fair to say that both MHJ and the company have their faults, something Seoulite doesn't really cover.
Asian Entertainment and Culture is a very good channel, focuses more on facts and less about being "entertaining" so to speak as in trying to be funny although I find her very entertaining it's not the goal it's about getting informed.
Since this video, even more stuff has come out. She didn't want to give HYBE her company laptop and now we know why. They have recovered her Kakao messages. Not only did she talk with the Shaman, she thinks it is the spirit of her dead sister and she hired someone to work at Adore that the Shaman will soon posess?$&=&$ wtf? She has fat shamed her own girls and called them lazy. It is WILD what she hs said. We all know that anything you send is permanent. The channel Asian Entertainment & Culture does a great job of just breaking down the facts. The scheming by MJH is insane. And that isn't even including previous complaints about her.
3:21 naaah, she’s always pulling the”I am just a woman” card. How many other women have started their own companies? Didn’t 2 BP members do that? Didn’t SM offer her her own label in that company? Plus she had all these people headhunting her as soon as they knew she quit. And she seems to have had no problems finding investors for Ador. She’s full of it. She was after BTS’ money and clout. She was able to use the “BTS’ little sister” to full potential by moving to Big Hit.
I hate how her actions are so regressive for women in the workplace. Career women already have it tough in SK, but you got women CEOs abusing their position publicly for inappropriately behavior towards the company's artists and providing support to the naysayers' stance on why there shouldn't be women in power. And this on top of SK last presidential impeachment being of a female president too.
Also, as HYBE claimed, Min Hee Jin is already the highest paid executive in HYBE but she wants 20-30 times her stock option because according to her deputy, the investors will only invest in her group if she is able to raise New Jeans' worth into at least a trillion.
that lunatic needs to leave the company and keep it very cute and accept the consecuences of her acts, end of discussion, she is crazy and so greedy is embarrassing
The only girl group that was under Big Hit was disband due to some scandal, due to that BTS was forced to debut earlier than was prepared.. The first video is very shady and is in support of MHJ and painting PD Bang in a bad light..
the day people learn that similarity alone is not proof of plagiarism and claiming it was your idea when it comes to style or vibe also isn't, because similar creative inspiration may occur simultaneously in two or more people and that's recognized by court... the day people learn that plagiarism is defined as violation of copyright or theft of intellectual property, which means the victim has to have rights on something they have created, but no one owns style, hair colors, vocal techniques or genres, so no one can claim that similarity in those aspects is plagiarism rather than inspiration... that day we will say goodbye to at least a half of fandom wars
about the Tablo smear campaign, i first read about it right before he went on Suchwita (that’s probably where you remember him from?) and the whole thing was so insane, and honestly very scary to even read about. i do recommend looking it up if you’re interested. i think it was an article from the Standford magazine, but i remember reading it and just thinking to myself “how is this even possible?” because the dude had proof of everything and people were still threatening HIS LIFE over a damn college degree. they even tried to dig dirt on his family to prove they had a history of “faking achievements” ???? and actually threatened not only him, but them as well. even writing this now i’m like ??? that’s insanity. i do recommend looking it up, because like boracity said, he’s been very open about all of it and shared his pov, but it’s really, really sad. he talked about how he doubted everyone around him, and couldn’t even go outside at some point. there were anonymous forums with countless people threatening him. he was scared for himself, for his family (+ his pregnant wife and eventually his daughter born around that time)
Basically for the “BTS’s female fans would be jealous” comment, it’s basically known that some crazy obsessive fans are knowing to target female idols who dare to exist within the vicinity of their male idols, or get furious at the group if any of the members end up dating. Around the time this comment was made by Bang, an Exo member had revealed he was married and expecting a child- and his fans were burning his merchandise and calling it a betrayal to them. I don’t know if it was Bang PD’s soul reasoning though, because this lady CLEARLY wanted into Bighit, even though Hybe as it was being planned was going to be a multi-label system. His actions prevented her from getting anywhere near Bighit or our boys, made sure she had zero control over them, something I’m sure pissed her the fuck off.
The way Kookielit uses "BigHit" and "HYBE" interchangeably is also incorrect. BigHit is BTS and TXT's music label, which existed independently long prior to HYBE's creation. HYBE is the corporate company that was established by Bang PD in 2019, which controls several businesses and labels *including* BigHit, Source Music and ADOR. To suggest that BigHit and HYBE are one and the same is to a) exaggerate BigHit and BTS' power and influence in this situation, and b) place blame on BTS by extension. HYBE is controlled by a board of execs, and Bang PD is not the CEO but the Chairman and Founder. BigHit, also founded by Bang PD, operates independently of HYBE but is still under its influence to a certain degree. I don't know all the specifics but Kookielit is twisting the narrative by making "BTS' company" seem like the bad guys.
There's a channel with Asian Entertainment in it's name, who did amazing job in covering this case. O remember you to check it out. The most absurd thing with all this "copying" accusations against HYBE groups is that turns out, this is New Jeans who copied older groups music and choreography. Also, Min He-Jin keeps dragging New Jeans members and their parents into this mess and this will damage their careers so much, I'm not sure they could recover from this. And these girls are teenagers, so this should be the beginning of their careers. It's really sad.
on top of that there have been burner/fake/ai accounts popping up against bts too someone showed in real time how these accounts were popping up at an increased speed all saying similar things slandering bts (in korean, of course)
“Aren’t happy with how the company treated New Jeans” New Jeans earned 3M in their first year They live in a mansion They have no trainee debt They get heavily promoted They have massive brand deals They’re on the 16th floor Where exactly is the mistreatment?
Ok I didn't know any of this but I didn't think they were mistreated before knowing all this. Also do happen to know why I don't see much interaction between NewJeans and other Hybe groups? I'm just wondering because I love seeing idols being friendly but don't see it much with NewJeans and Hybe groups.
@@alinacarrasquillo34 I honestly don’t know about that. I’m not sure why but it could be that they don’t interact as much bc of the case rn and bc the whole topic is quite sensitive. Don’t quote me on it, though, bc I’m not sure 😅
@@alinacarrasquillo34 I am pretty sure HYBE said that MHJ made sure to keep NJ separate and had forbidden them to mention the company in general in one of their statements. All that being said, I had seen them interacting with various artists doing tiktoks and whatnot, so I don't think they were that isolated?
The whole female fans would be jealous isn't wrong. It would be about proximity to the members. Female celebs have gotten attacked online simply for being in photos with the group or interacting with members. It's a really ugly part of kpop fandom (and some others). There's a sense of ownership that some of the fans have that is, quite frankly, horrific. You can see that on a different level with the reaction some have had to seeing pics of the guys smoking and with JK drinking on lives.
Yep. Definitely. It’s sensible for this to be a foreign concept for him since he’s only slowly allowing himself to get familiar with other aspects of Kpop, but never underestimate the toxicity of a Kpop fandom. It can be something different.. 😅
@@nfisking I really thought I had seen it all when it came to fandom craziness due to previous fandoms I’ve been in. Nothing could have prepared me for kpop fandoms.
i mean, you’re right about the whole “jealousy” thing in kpop overall, but i doubt that’s the sole reason for big hit music only debuting male groups. specially since now hybe is a thing. the company already has girl groups, many whom interact with bts, and big hit is still only accepting male trainees. also, imagine the age difference a new gg would have in relation to bts lol idols nowadays are also constantly interacting and filming tiktoks with groups from other companies too, but even if it was strictly about sharing the same workspace, there are ggs there already. even before the “new gg project”, gfriend and fromis_9 were technically already there at that point. so it makes no sense for that to be the only reason to not debut a gg under big hit. bang pd has mentioned how big hit works better with bgs (whatever that means) and having their only gg in history have such a big controversy probably weights in that decision too, but saying it’s just so armys don’t get jealous is crazy 😭 cuz they seriously went “he was reluctant to debut a gg, but when he “finally gave in” he told her it had to be under a different label bcs of “bts fangirls being jealous 😡” even tho all labels under hybe use the same building + txt is there too and would probably be closer in age to any new group they tried to make”
There is a petition from more than hundred of people asking to minister not just to investigate chart manipulation etc but also to withdraw the national cultural award from BTS. It is unbelieveable the level of jealousy and hate these people have harboured in their heart for years and apparently South Korean public side with them. South Korean public is hella wierd.
Seoulite is very biased against MHJ, and I say this as someone who doesn't support her. I think he's okay to watch if you've kind of made up your mind, but it's not exactly the place to go to for the 411 on the whole issue.
@@alwayspluto8413 I get what you mean but there really isn’t anyone who isn’t unbiased talking about the situation. Also at least he is presenting each sides statements in his videos
I agree. He is a trained reporter and even when he has a side, he clearly states what is his opinion, what are facts and explains the real legal issues. Not just gossipy stuff.
44:17 basically bang pd made big hit an independent label before creating hybe corporation (which was smart), so they are “under” hybe in the sense that big hit is part of the group of labels they “manage”, but they are still an independent entity - unlike the other already stablished labels that were acquired and the ones created by hybe afterwards.
She took a page out of any country drama/soap opera. My first watching it in real life, the movie is going to be crazy. Wonder who will play the shaman was that 68,000 text in 6 months to the shaman. Did she sleep? Lets continue supporting BTS Jin coming home soon.
47:29 Always thinking how scandals in West makes artists even more popular but in SKorea its the end for them. Like member from girl group was accused of bullying & her activities were stoped & later she was kicked out of the group. And some times later it was revealed it was a lie. People just evil spreading bs to destroy others.
dont worry Loui Hybe provided proof of mhj´s campain dating back to 2021 before she created NJ that she wanted the label for free so she could take it for herself after 3 years. there is tons of e-mails of her sceams witch basically proofed that all she said at the confrence was a lie.
Hybe owns NewJeans songs, name etc, so if NewJeans breaks a contract they leaving with nothing + debt for breaching contract. Could be 5050 situation. But if Hybe lets NewJeans go..... Thats why mhj sayings hybe mistreats newjeans. Which how? By claiming Bang pd didn't say hello back in elevator, while in 2023 each member yearned 7milions. Me personally would give 0 fcks over boss not saying hi to me. But that's maybe just me. And you need to see dialogue revealed how mhj talks about the girls. Thats disturbing. She has also certain reputation about young girls too. Also when it all started before BTS becoming the target & shaman dialogue & Bang pd copying her with BTS, when Hybe revealed she needs to go, because of her project against Hybe & her revealing idols private information, inside label abuse etc, mhj came out with response these groups copy paste, ignoring serious accusation. Then that press came out & she was just blah blah, while her lawyers seemed done with her & tried to shush her. The whole mess seems like kdrama, where vilains just babling to sway people, while main character just sits & lets vilain put foot in theirs mouth. And then its main characters time to speak. While BTS got in the middle of that mess just because they build Hybe from near bankruptcy label.
Yeah, no on MHJ. She's a manipulator and is not just doing things the wrong way, she was doing things the illegal way. Beyond that, she was sharing information about minors to outside parties, let alone all of the other confidential information she was sharing. I am not defending Hybe in any way - entertainment companies are shady by nature. I have so many issues with her, though, stemming back to her work with Shinee and through everything she's pulling now. She can drag Bang PD all she wants, I really don't care. It's all this other crap that I have a huge problem with. The one thing I will say is that all she's done is drop rumors and tried to sway public opinion - she never once addressed the very real legal issues she's been accused of. Bora barely scratched the surface of everything that is going on since she focused (understandably) on BTS. Also, it's a little rich for her to be accusing anyone of plagiarizing NJ considering they are an almost exact replica of a group from Mexico.
main takeaway for me from this situation is: i don't trust hybe officials a single bit, i think most of them are shady money hungry people who don't care about bts and bighit and what they built and most of them came in only after hybe was created anyway, to collect money. so they're not clean either. but damn min heejin is absolutely insane. firstly, the plagiarism claims - it's basically her saying there can only be one group of very young girls making rnb type music in korea with jumpy moves in their choreography, because that's newjeans style!!! what is she smoking? it's easy to see what she's trying to do there because your eyes see vague similarities, but when you sit down and think about it, it's as dumb as bts plagiarism accusations about school outfits and hair colours. it's nonsense. and they don't even do the same type of music, they just have childish girl voices so your brain connects the two dots. newjeans do mostly rnb and the y2k concept, illit just have a general cute concept and their music isn't really pure rnb like that. the main thing connecting them is they are both very young, and min heejin probably has an issue with that because that's her actual main selling point with newjeans, if you look at all her words in this fiasco. not to mention the fact newjeans and min heejin have their own plagiarism accusation looming, of them copying a mexican group called jeans. the photo evidence has funnily, coincidentally, now been removed from the korean forum where it came from, but the evidence looked more solid than the illit copying newjeans accusation from min heejin, ironically. secondly, min heejin's press conference was an absolute trainwreck in which she basically didn't manage to defend herself a single bit, just go on the attack by using the fact she's a woman and big 3 company kpop fans hate hybe and some crocodile tears to turn the situation in her favour. i've been following the situation from the start, followed the press conference live and i was flabbergasted by the fact it had that effect on the public considering how comical it was. she is evil, but she's also very smart. as she said in the messages leaked, she doesn't care about actually being correct, she only cares about how the headlines affect the general audience, who don't care enough to check the context or follow the situation thoroughly enough to see if the headline is correct. they only care that illit is accused of copying newjeans, not if it actually holds any water if you sit there and check. they only care that bts is accused of plagiarism, sajaegi, being in a cult and whatever else, they don't care to actually see if it's true or not and they will regurgitate that point for years to come. that's her strategy, and it's working for her. the only good thing is this thing has gone to court, and unless she managed to buy the court too, i hope this situation gets resolved swiftly and bts don't have to come back to this mess. in conclusion, bang pd screwed up by letting the snake in and giving her too much power and now both bts and he have to pay for it.
Adding to the others that the first video is taking all the comments mainly from the press conference and listing what she claimed there as fact. It is so obvious that this is all about the $$ for her and the kakao talks released of her speaking about other women and the the members of her own group are downright disgusting.
Loui I highly recommend Asian entertainment and culture's channel to learn what's really been going on- as she has things covered and the translations are from more reliable sources. So, I highly recommend her channel if you want to know whats been going on. As other's have said- that kookie channel is very anti BTS. And ARMYs have been reporting their channel for a while.
korea's system is a** so many serial r*pists/abusers etc. are allowed to walk free/have no repercussions even if they said they did a wrong thing, they really do not care i've even watched true crime and a lot of it from korea it's just, these people get nothing or next to nothing for murder! it's insane obviously every country has certain cases where they get no justice but from every story of court cases i've seen in korea it's literally either the weakest sentence or nothing, insane even besides all this mhj has naked pictures of minors on her computer allegedly like???
44:16 big hit is under hybe in an administrative way. But holds their creative decisions and other things. So the board of hybe can't decide about things so freely over big hit.. also the members have actions for big hit so they have power and a voice there
04:58 BTS female fans would be jealous of the who??? Yo I have army since 2017 and this the first time I saw this reason. The first video is so biased and BIGHIT/Hybe anti. The whole situation with MHJ has nothing to do with BIGHIT. Either they lack in research about this ongoing case or they just hate that company.
exactly, that purely came outta no where. Heck I know people even army joke that after glam Big Hit doesn't want to manage girl groups but that's just chatter that army are not even serious about but I think kpoppies really believe that bs cuz she mentioned that here too. Frankly they've got Lee Hyun, BTS & TXT now maybe they are happy managing what they have and don't plan on getting more groups in the BH label for now. Personally I think that can be an issue having too many groups cuz some of the big labels have so many groups they manage that can't take care of the ones they have but keep cranking out more groups despite that.
As International Armys, I don't feel it's that serious at first but just look at korean videos and comments on Min hee jin conference. If you translate the comments, almost all of them are on her side. So Boracity speaks the truth, it's really easy for korean netizens to believe baseless rumors. It's like they really believe on whatever the media told them. Smh
People who think the smear campaign against BTS (and other HYBE groups) and this whole thing with MHJ aren't related are just naive. It started right after she did her press conference and mentioned them. All that just a few months after all the members enlisted and right before Jin came back. In the middle of multiple releases from HYBE groups. She knew what she was doing - it was just a smoke screen for her and a way to harm HYBE and BTS She accuses everyone of copying her. And she even accused HYBE of "breaching her privacy" by showing some of her texts as proof when she did the same thing first with BSH *in the media*. I don't trust anything a hypocrite says. I don't care about HYBE but it doesn't take a genius to understand what she tried to do and failed miserably. Now she has to deal with the mess she created to save her neck
first of all, the public did not care in the slightest about a "Min Heejin girl group", the only real talk that was happening back then was people suspecting Sakura was joining a girl group under Hybe because Sakura is very famous and loved both in Korea and Japan
Now that you’ve watched this vid, you should watch the mini moni vid where rm shared rpwp with Jimin. And then go through the rpwp lyrics again. If u thought rm was pissed the first time u reacted to it, this will give you more insight as to why he was so pissed. There’s another reaction channel that’s currently watching festa 2022, and hearing RM say how tired he was was so heartbreaking! 💔 You would think they’ve reached a level where they don’t have to deal with this bs anymore, but I guess the bigger you get, the bigger the bs u have to deal with. I hope the boys are ok 😢
When u watch the busan concert u will see that they were saying f-you to the govt. And u're very valid for laughing at mhj for crying those crocodile tears. If someone genuinely starts crying in those situations, trust me, u'll know. Also I've never watched that 1st video but it felt kinda bull. They said they'd show both side but only showed one and used mhj text like they were a legitimate source but didn't mention the texts of her calling her own group's members names.
min heejin isn't even trying to get her worth cuz she ain't paid for nothing😂😂 bang pd gave her the money needed to buy the shares and all she trying to do is dip with a company (ador) and group (new jeans) she didn't pay for
loui pleease watch jujutsu kaisen! I've been watching it (till like s1 episode 8) and it's really interesting. It would be awesome to watch it along with you!
OMG, I am hating so much how this Kookielit girl is making MHJ look like a poor victim, unbelievable 💀 Nobody copied her, she did not create anything from 0, she took inspiration from things that already exist, old things that were already bring out again before her, so she was not the want that bring it out again either. She's just a narcissist.
38:02 i thought a lot about this recently, and to me is not /just/ about the “success” itself. of course lots of people are jealous, but why are there so many moves to smear their names, instead of simply trying to beat them in the actual game? (even if by trying to copy them, which many indeed try) to me, it always goes like this… you have a person/group that is: 1) successful (artistic-wise and money-wise) 2) loved and admired by millions around the world 3) impossible to actually copy/replace 4) genuine/honest people that will evoke jealousy, envy and anger, specially when gradually starting to realize each of these aspects. being jealous of someone’s success can be “harmless” if it simply motivates you to do better. but not being able to deal with greed/envy is what leads them to fall down this specific route: 1) first, just trying to recreate their success (money, sales/stream numbers, prizes/awards, recognition, etc.) if they fail to do it organically, they might cut corners or “cheat” to get some of those things (as many do), but they will soon face the next challenge: 2) getting a huge fanbase to back that up. not only having loyal/supporting fans, but _millions_ of people loving and appreciating your work. 3) since bts’ legendary level of success/recognition can’t actually be copied in all fronts (artistic value + achievements + amount of support + wealth/fame), this is when people realize they can’t do much but hope for their downfall. either to finally be able to their place as “the most successful xyz”, or to at least eliminate the unreachable standard for everybody else. since a disbandment will likely not happen any time soon (organic downfall), they hope for a huge scandal to end them, but… 4) they are actually morally correct people (who would’ve thought!) and barely have scandals at all - much less a huge, unforgettable scandal that would end their careers. so what’s left to do? well… just blow the irrelevant “scandals” they _do_ have out of proportion. not enough? twist, misconstrue, misinterpret something they said/did or that could be related/linked to them somehow. not enough? just pick at every single flaw/mistake you can find, no matter how tiny it is. still not enough? just fabricate it. make stuff up. and what we have been seeing, for years, is the amalgamation of all that. while random haters and keyboard warriors are most likely just jealous, and angry at their own jealousy (they can’t process that envy → it turns to hatred → they justify it with anything they possibly can), there certainly is an amount of people who are very much aware of what they are doing. they are the ones fueling the “random” haters/antis and actively using any power/influence they have to push narratives, engage in media play and facilitate the circulation of hateful discourse. [and just to be clear, these are the people i refer to as “they” when talking about the steps of trying to recreate bts, not necessarily the ones who’d “take their place”] so then you got people spreading their agenda, and you got people desperately waiting for their hatred to be validated, all of them pushing narratives - whether by having the power to bait the masses or by being easily swayed/wanting to engaging with it.
So much has happened since this video, when it is resolved i hope she makes another video. Mhj has been lying so so much amd doing sooooo much shady shit. That first vid was just regurgitating her arguments after she was caught by the audit. She even wanted to pay to release new jeans from ador so that ador would be an empty shell she could then have someone favorable to her buy so she could buy it away from hybe for herself. She is spreading rumors and damaging reputations of young members of other groups and imo is unsafe to keep at hybe...not to mention all of the illegal business shes doing.
I personally think that aside from some aspects of ILLIT, the plagiarism accusations are ridiculous. Surely MHJ was aware that by debuting a highly-anticipated group with a unique concept she would start a trend? That's just how the kpop industry works - groups follow trends, and with 5th gen it has been all about modernising 90s and 2000s aesthetics, with NewJeans at the helm. She has only catalysed the popularisation of a trend that already existed.
im not on mhj's side in how she's been accusing groups of plagiarism n the smear campaigns, but i do think theres nuance as to why she's being believed in Korea. its the feminist movement. she's the only female ceo in that building, and whether she's telling the truth or not about sexism, i understand why feminists might feel for her. as we see when we watch 'marry my husband', the culture in the workplace is very different over there. i also think that the shaman was taking advantage of her fragile mental state, which probably didnt help with her going off the rails. either way, im kind of worried about how things are gonna look when jin comes back :/
The fists video siding with MHJ 😂 making it seem as if she's a saint and Bang pd the only bad guy. Both of them did wrong, Bang pd was wrong for letting that SM snake in, that was a huge mistake. He gave her too much power, maybe he was in love with her cuz why tf would he give so much money, benefits, brand deals to someone who comes from SM, a rival company.
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Hi Jonathan, please be careful with kookielit because that channel is very anti BTS and hybe, they've always been shady towards them.
Anti BTS is bad but why are you worried about hybe you Stan BTS not hybe
@@gidlehearts Bc if someone is anti-the company just bc it's BTS "company", they'll be biased reporting things about the company, lie about it and give out misinfo for others to be mantis (of BTS) or directly antis.
@@gidleheartsyou have reading comprehension problems
@@gidlehearts Just use your head, if Hybe falls, BTS will be damaged too, not completely but still damaged. There are also other very good groups in Hybe. And I don't get involved in fan wars either, because it's usually the labels and the fan clubs running by the labels that cause trouble and not the groups themselves.
@@gidlehearts Because whether you like them or not, the information in the video is clearly biased and incorrect. Plus, Hybe is a company that BTS has stocks in and therefore misinformation and slander that affects the company also affects BTS. Not to mention, BTS gets the brunt of hate anytime something negative happens with Hybe. So misinformed videos like this ultimately affect BTS in the long run.
I'll just say that J-hope's tears at RunBTS proposing to Min Yoonji were more real than Min HeeJin's at the press conference.😅😂
😂😂😂😂😂
😂🤣🤣🤣 Literature student
I agree with others, kookielit is not a good source of anything that may go near BTS. MHJ has a history of being shady and extremely questionable in her choices and she has been turned into the police and is facing lawsuits already. Edited to add: additionally the first video just plain old has a ton of incorrect facts.
To answer some of your questions at the end, Min Hee-jin is a traitor. Hybe is not perfect, but Min Hee-jin is delusional. She already has her due and is just greedy to get more. She is the highest paid official at Hybe. She makes a higher salary than the current CEO of Hybe (side note: Bang PD is the Chairman of the Board, but he resigned his position as CEO so he could spend more time producing music.) Bang PD also let Min Hee-jin borrow money from him so she could purchase more shares of Ador, and she still owes him money for that loan, so she is trying to steal multiple things from Hybe--money, a label, and the girl group New Jeans. He bent over backwards to give her what she wanted, but she started making requests that he couldn't in good conscience fulfill. To give you an idea of how far she's gone, Ador's offices are located on the top floor of he Hybe building, above Big Hit and BTS. She deliberately chose to release New Jeans' music when RM had scheduled to release his new album to directly compete. She wants to defeat Hybe and BTS. But what is almost worse is she has brainwashed the New Jeans' girls and their parents into believing they need her to succeed, even after her text messages were released to the public where she called the members lazy and fat. She takes credit for all of their achievements and doesn't give credit to the girls, and I think some of the members are still minors.
Also, she took the New Jeans trainees from the label Source Music and transferred them to Ador, which means she left Source Music with a bunch of trainee debt, which her label does not have. There's a ton more that she's done that is very shady.
17:32 she literally used "BTS sisters" to promote newjeans. And if she wanna to talk about plagiarism or copying let her explain Mexican girl group Jeans.
Let's not forget that BTS members made dance challenges with NJ members as well, which is a form of promotion
that first video seems biased :/ they kept on talking about mhj as though she was a victim of hybe when it seems like she was the one gaslighting everyone and breaking her contract??
That's because KOOKIELIT is known for spreading misinformation... When I tell you that- when I saw Jonathan opening a video from that channel, my instinctual reaction was to scream bloody murder. I had a visceral reaction to that.
KOOKIELIT has been slandering kpop groups for YEARS. I wouldn't even doubt it if they are being paid to do a smear campaign 😅
Well yeah because her and her audience are biased, she’s not a reliable source and many armys don’t like her as she has posted false info in the past. MH is not a victim, the only victims are the groups that were dragged into this.
she sounds like a manipulator
I immediately said "Oh nahh" as soon as I saw that channel name pop up.
the second one is also biased? just towards the side you like more
MHJ being so SHOCKED that she couldn’t own 100% of Ador despite not having been the one to put a single penny into developing or debuting the group REAKS of entitlement. Like girl, they have you nearly 12 million dollars to play with and you’re SHOCKED they want to make sure you’re not misusing it???
I don’t know why people believe a word mhj says when it’s been proven that she lies constantly (or tells half truths to paint a different story). Once someone proves themselves to be a liar, if you believe them you’re an idiot.
they hate bts so much, they'd believe anything
Nooooooo not Kookielit.. that's an anti channel 😳
Hybe has also recently found evidence linking Min heejin to a reporter that’s been behind writing these defamatory articles. She’s facing multiple criminal charges and possibly jail time.
Bts isnt even my fav group but i do respect their work seeing them being dogged like this is just gross
All it takes is a clear head and the ability to do your own research. And of course, a sense of humanity. So many people on twitter just eat up BTS defamation without question. It’s pathetic and honestly it’s getting really boring.
Thank you,
@@sserenity13 The only ones eating it up are antis.
Thanks as an army who was there the first time around with these accusations that means a lot
Just to point out too, MHJ does not care about NewJeans members sadly, her texts about them were awful. She also sent 5800 texts to her shaman who she calls her dead sisters name.
wtf? that's so creepy
@@rkivelover MHJ attempted to hire someone picked specifically by the shaman to supposedly be the living vessel of her dead sister's soul so 'she' could assist her right by her side, but this person ended up accepting a different job. I don't know either.
9:07 no I feel like it's pretty agreed on that it feels like she's using her supposed emotional state as a tactic. Crying, and while doing so, exaggerating her relationship with the members of NJWNs to manipulate how people saw the case/her [saying that all the members just loved her 'sooo much!']... we already know she is a bit of a creep, so it's all just weird whew.
People want to see bts fall so bad, it’s been like this ever since bts started surpassing the biggest groups at the time. As a 2014 army I am so tired of these smear campaigns, I saw a tweet a few weeks ago saying veteran armys (armys that have been with bts since their early years) have become numb to all of this and that is very true, I witnessed other kpop fans, the media, and now MH try to take down bts and they have failed every time. The cult rumors are outrageous, it’s like people find it so hard to believe that bts’s success is organic so they will spread/ believe this rumors. I hope Hybe vs ador feud ends soon because Jin is coming back soon and it’s a shame if he comes back to the company him and his group built from the ground up, in chaos. MH has shown that she is against bts, bts’s money was used to fund her group/company yet she was clearly planning something since she contacted Bts’s accountant, she has no business reaching out to their accountant. I find the first video is biased as she left out important facts on the situation and seemed to be leaning towards painting MH as a victim when it’s clear the only victims here are the groups dragged into this mess.
that first video... yikes. This made me glad I kept up via tmikpop along the way. lol
I think when you say "she's trying to get her due" it's because of that first video being your introduction. it's HIGHLY biased and inaccurate.
Here's the shortest version I can think of: she cherry-picked the best trainees out of Source music (with them having trained them) so they took the financial hit to prepare them, took them, created Ador, did heavy media play to call NwJns BTSs little sisters, (two of them even appeared in one of their big English MVs), used heavy media play using BTSs name, and when you look at the chats and timings, the planning to do this started before Illit debuted, so they were most likely just a useful excuse (as you could see, she accused other groups of "copying" also). She planned to damage hybe to the point where either she could force them to buy her out to make it stop (with her getting tons of money) or making them vulnerable to takeover. Either way, she absolutely had been planning this for a while and was planning to use private info of artists to hurt them and HYBE... she is NOT a victim in any way, shape or form.
...oh and BSH loaned her a million dollars for her stake in the company to begin with.
Nah Tribe Leader, don’t change on this one, I would also question MHJ’s motives when she was “crying” at that conference, given there were no actual tears, she barely addressed any of the actual accusations against her, her lawyers were visibly face palming in the background, said bunch of shit that had been already debunked as absolutely false, claimed she was under a slave contract despite being paid more than the actual CEO and have been lent money by Bang PD himself to buy the shares in Adore that she had and she just rambled non-sensually about people copying her for two hours- which for the record, I don’t think is true even slightly and she’s been caught having plagiarised a bunch of the shit she’s claiming was her fresh new original never been done before ideas.
Exactly! The whole conference just felt... embarrassing.
There is a kdrMa where a pr person is telling the protagonist how to dress meekly, tKe tisdues to appear to cry, etc to gain public sympathy. Min Hee Jin playes this part to a T.
I think she had something on her face under her eyes. It’s shiny, but not in a tear streaked way, it’s more like she kept her eyes irritated and her skin has like Vicks or petroleum.
@@maryhduke2307 not surprising considering she was literally hired to do marketing and promotion, she’s literally a professional in how to spin things to the public
@@bluehourtarotwonder if the makeup artists she was caught embezzling from helped her
whats crazy is stuff coming out more recently showing that min heejin likely plagiarized a buncha older groups (even a mexican group called jeans) to create new jeans so like LOL
Kookielit’s video was dodgy as shit by the way, they’re very much an anti of both BTS and Hybe, and was presenting blatantly false information throughout the video and also reframing things to make Hybe and Bang PD look as bad as possible. Like that video could hardly have been more sympathetic to MHJ’s nonsense if the was paid to do it
this woman is actually insane 😭
😂😂😂😂😂 same way the very first day this came out
@@mamejoe2043 I always thought she was weird, but this just takes the cake 😭 cause wdym she contacted a SHAMAN !!
@@jayd2466 so weird.
@@jayd2466 There's nothing particularly weird about her contacting a shaman per se, I would call it dumb or sus depending on the subject's personality, but the kind of conversations they had is what that made me concerned. Simply unhinged stuff.
For the record, I still don’t think Illit copied New Jeans, but I think MHJ knew there would be enough superficial similarities even before their debut to make kpoppies believe her bullshit so she could cry out about mistreatment.
Most kpop girl groups exist on a sliding scale from girl crush to cute in terms of concept, and with underage members in the group- does MHJ think debuting minors is her own original idea?- cute was the safe option. There are also other restrictions caused by them having girls who are still in high school in the group, including that they can’t dye their hair, so a more natural look makes sense styling wise (again not a copyrightable concept.) But the thing is, even if both groups use cute concepts, they both have very different interpretations of it. Illit has gone for a soft, girly vibe, while New Jeans from the beginning has had this tomboyish, athletic, confident vibes. They have the same concept in the way that Mamamoo and Blackpink have the same concept- technically both girl crush if you squint.
The other similarity they have is literally caused by neither of the groups having any powerhouse vocalists or experienced rappers, so maybe if you don’t know shit about music or genre, you might thing they have a similar sound when in reality they just have a similar tone. They’re not even in the same genre, New Jean’s foundation is R&B and they’ve been going into different club styles with their newer releases, while Illit only has a couple of songs so far, they’re way more into house and synthpop then anything New Jeans has ever released.
The comparisons between them is skin deep, but that’s enough to convince Kpoppies because so many of them have zero reading comprehension skills.
I do wonder if Jonathan will do a “reacting to Illit because fuck Min Hee Hin” video, but honestly, I’m pretty sure they’re not his vibe and that’s perfectly okay.
Edit for added note: Belift (aka the sub-label behind Illit) is now suing MHJ for defamation
yeah 😊
I don't know anything about music or genres but I didn't see any similarities between ILLIT and NewJeans. Honestly I think ILLIT does cute better, I don't mean this in a bad way.
The way my heart sank when you started watching the Kookielit video 😂 I can't speak to the content of the Kookielit videos on this topic, but I've noticed their thumbnails throughout the case have basically been mirroring the (paid) smear campaign headlines. Fake and nasty. I note the whole video you watched was told from the perspective of "MHJ claims xyz" with none of Hybe's statements included.
You should get deeper in to this drama Loui, it's wild. A full narcissist in action!
My heart sank too
The thing is newjeans isn't even min heejin's original idea either, they've been accused of plagiarizing other groups with concrete proof. Nothing she's done was 100% original so she has no right to cry about copying. She also complained that other hybe groups should've asked HER for permission to be the ambassador of certain brands because newjeans had done it first when BTS members and others were ambassadors first, SHE should've been the one to ask for permission. She's just childish and entitled as hell. And that first video seemed very biased, they said Hybe didn't have evidence when they did in fact present all the evidence in court, they just didn't reveal it to the media. On the other hand, min heejin accused hybe to make this a 'public opinion war' when she was the one crying her ugly face off in a 2 hour long press conference lmao
They wouldn't provide all evidence at this point until the suits are through court, which has yet to happen. So far it's just been an injunction hearing. This isn't where Hybe produces all the evidence against her.
@@marissa1341 Really? I thought injunction was basically a court case but if this isn't when the evidence is presented then there's still a chance.
Jonathan, as someone below already mentioned, the channel Seoulite TV provides better information about this issue, plus he's funny. The channel Asian Entertainment and Culture is excellent. She provides sources on her Patreon, and most of Patreon posts are free and not under a paywall. She only puts really sensitive information under a pay wall (that is still affordable). She wouldn't be able to post the sources on RUclips due to copyright. However, she does provide her analysis and opinions of the sources on RUclips.
Seoulite isn't any more balanced though, because more than providing fair updates about both sides, their stance is very clearly against MHJ. I think as much as we are all ARMY, it's also fair to say that both MHJ and the company have their faults, something Seoulite doesn't really cover.
@@alwayspluto8413according to evidence releases so far,MHJ is guilty.All she has provided so far is texts of Bang and her and the rest is hear say.
Asian Entertainment and Culture is a very good channel, focuses more on facts and less about being "entertaining" so to speak as in trying to be funny although I find her very entertaining it's not the goal it's about getting informed.
Since this video, even more stuff has come out. She didn't want to give HYBE her company laptop and now we know why. They have recovered her Kakao messages. Not only did she talk with the Shaman, she thinks it is the spirit of her dead sister and she hired someone to work at Adore that the Shaman will soon posess?$&=&$ wtf?
She has fat shamed her own girls and called them lazy. It is WILD what she hs said. We all know that anything you send is permanent.
The channel Asian Entertainment & Culture does a great job of just breaking down the facts. The scheming by MJH is insane. And that isn't even including previous complaints about her.
3:21 naaah, she’s always pulling the”I am just a woman” card. How many other women have started their own companies? Didn’t 2 BP members do that? Didn’t SM offer her her own label in that company? Plus she had all these people headhunting her as soon as they knew she quit. And she seems to have had no problems finding investors for Ador. She’s full of it. She was after BTS’ money and clout. She was able to use the “BTS’ little sister” to full potential by moving to Big Hit.
I hate how her actions are so regressive for women in the workplace. Career women already have it tough in SK, but you got women CEOs abusing their position publicly for inappropriately behavior towards the company's artists and providing support to the naysayers' stance on why there shouldn't be women in power. And this on top of SK last presidential impeachment being of a female president too.
I just got reminded of No Doubt I'm just a girl xD (sorry had to say it xD)
Watch it be the inspiration for the next CB xDDDD
Didn't she use the fact that she worked on Layover as a defence as well? I thought she mentioned that
Also, as HYBE claimed, Min Hee Jin is already the highest paid executive in HYBE but she wants 20-30 times her stock option because according to her deputy, the investors will only invest in her group if she is able to raise New Jeans' worth into at least a trillion.
She is greedy now she has blocked all chances for women in Korea and around the world
that lunatic needs to leave the company and keep it very cute and accept the consecuences of her acts, end of discussion, she is crazy and so greedy is embarrassing
kookielit? be careful sir
Do not be fooled by this person. She is a committed liar and cannot be believed at allllll
The only girl group that was under Big Hit was disband due to some scandal, due to that BTS was forced to debut earlier than was prepared.. The first video is very shady and is in support of MHJ and painting PD Bang in a bad light..
Huh
the day people learn that similarity alone is not proof of plagiarism and claiming it was your idea when it comes to style or vibe also isn't, because similar creative inspiration may occur simultaneously in two or more people and that's recognized by court...
the day people learn that plagiarism is defined as violation of copyright or theft of intellectual property, which means the victim has to have rights on something they have created, but no one owns style, hair colors, vocal techniques or genres, so no one can claim that similarity in those aspects is plagiarism rather than inspiration...
that day we will say goodbye to at least a half of fandom wars
about the Tablo smear campaign, i first read about it right before he went on Suchwita (that’s probably where you remember him from?) and the whole thing was so insane, and honestly very scary to even read about. i do recommend looking it up if you’re interested. i think it was an article from the Standford magazine, but i remember reading it and just thinking to myself “how is this even possible?” because the dude had proof of everything and people were still threatening HIS LIFE over a damn college degree. they even tried to dig dirt on his family to prove they had a history of “faking achievements” ???? and actually threatened not only him, but them as well. even writing this now i’m like ??? that’s insanity. i do recommend looking it up, because like boracity said, he’s been very open about all of it and shared his pov, but it’s really, really sad. he talked about how he doubted everyone around him, and couldn’t even go outside at some point. there were anonymous forums with countless people threatening him. he was scared for himself, for his family (+ his pregnant wife and eventually his daughter born around that time)
Bang Shih Yuk wanted to focus on producing so he stepped out as a CEO. He is still the Chairman tho.
As in Chairman of the Board of Hybe Corp.
Basically for the “BTS’s female fans would be jealous” comment, it’s basically known that some crazy obsessive fans are knowing to target female idols who dare to exist within the vicinity of their male idols, or get furious at the group if any of the members end up dating. Around the time this comment was made by Bang, an Exo member had revealed he was married and expecting a child- and his fans were burning his merchandise and calling it a betrayal to them.
I don’t know if it was Bang PD’s soul reasoning though, because this lady CLEARLY wanted into Bighit, even though Hybe as it was being planned was going to be a multi-label system. His actions prevented her from getting anywhere near Bighit or our boys, made sure she had zero control over them, something I’m sure pissed her the fuck off.
"i know overtaking control would be impossible yet i am meeting with investors regarding buying out ador" lol
The way Kookielit uses "BigHit" and "HYBE" interchangeably is also incorrect. BigHit is BTS and TXT's music label, which existed independently long prior to HYBE's creation. HYBE is the corporate company that was established by Bang PD in 2019, which controls several businesses and labels *including* BigHit, Source Music and ADOR. To suggest that BigHit and HYBE are one and the same is to a) exaggerate BigHit and BTS' power and influence in this situation, and b) place blame on BTS by extension. HYBE is controlled by a board of execs, and Bang PD is not the CEO but the Chairman and Founder. BigHit, also founded by Bang PD, operates independently of HYBE but is still under its influence to a certain degree. I don't know all the specifics but Kookielit is twisting the narrative by making "BTS' company" seem like the bad guys.
There's a channel with Asian Entertainment in it's name, who did amazing job in covering this case. O remember you to check it out.
The most absurd thing with all this "copying" accusations against HYBE groups is that turns out, this is New Jeans who copied older groups music and choreography.
Also, Min He-Jin keeps dragging New Jeans members and their parents into this mess and this will damage their careers so much, I'm not sure they could recover from this. And these girls are teenagers, so this should be the beginning of their careers. It's really sad.
on top of that there have been burner/fake/ai accounts popping up against bts too
someone showed in real time how these accounts were popping up at an increased speed all saying similar things slandering bts (in korean, of course)
Oh boy!!!
Edit: Seeing you struggle with all the random kpop knowledge to understand the feud is just funny lol
“Aren’t happy with how the company treated New Jeans”
New Jeans earned 3M in their first year
They live in a mansion
They have no trainee debt
They get heavily promoted
They have massive brand deals
They’re on the 16th floor
Where exactly is the mistreatment?
Ok I didn't know any of this but I didn't think they were mistreated before knowing all this. Also do happen to know why I don't see much interaction between NewJeans and other Hybe groups? I'm just wondering because I love seeing idols being friendly but don't see it much with NewJeans and Hybe groups.
@@alinacarrasquillo34 I honestly don’t know about that. I’m not sure why but it could be that they don’t interact as much bc of the case rn and bc the whole topic is quite sensitive. Don’t quote me on it, though, bc I’m not sure 😅
@@alinacarrasquillo34 I am pretty sure HYBE said that MHJ made sure to keep NJ separate and had forbidden them to mention the company in general in one of their statements. All that being said, I had seen them interacting with various artists doing tiktoks and whatnot, so I don't think they were that isolated?
@@Ana-id6uk Oh ok thanks for answering.
34:00 "can I join??" 😭😭 Jonathan please
The whole female fans would be jealous isn't wrong. It would be about proximity to the members. Female celebs have gotten attacked online simply for being in photos with the group or interacting with members. It's a really ugly part of kpop fandom (and some others). There's a sense of ownership that some of the fans have that is, quite frankly, horrific. You can see that on a different level with the reaction some have had to seeing pics of the guys smoking and with JK drinking on lives.
Yep. Definitely. It’s sensible for this to be a foreign concept for him since he’s only slowly allowing himself to get familiar with other aspects of Kpop, but never underestimate the toxicity of a Kpop fandom. It can be something different.. 😅
@@nfisking I really thought I had seen it all when it came to fandom craziness due to previous fandoms I’ve been in. Nothing could have prepared me for kpop fandoms.
i mean, you’re right about the whole “jealousy” thing in kpop overall, but i doubt that’s the sole reason for big hit music only debuting male groups. specially since now hybe is a thing. the company already has girl groups, many whom interact with bts, and big hit is still only accepting male trainees. also, imagine the age difference a new gg would have in relation to bts lol idols nowadays are also constantly interacting and filming tiktoks with groups from other companies too, but even if it was strictly about sharing the same workspace, there are ggs there already. even before the “new gg project”, gfriend and fromis_9 were technically already there at that point. so it makes no sense for that to be the only reason to not debut a gg under big hit. bang pd has mentioned how big hit works better with bgs (whatever that means) and having their only gg in history have such a big controversy probably weights in that decision too, but saying it’s just so armys don’t get jealous is crazy 😭
cuz they seriously went “he was reluctant to debut a gg, but when he “finally gave in” he told her it had to be under a different label bcs of “bts fangirls being jealous 😡” even tho all labels under hybe use the same building + txt is there too and would probably be closer in age to any new group they tried to make”
There is a petition from more than hundred of people asking to minister not just to investigate chart manipulation etc but also to withdraw the national cultural award from BTS. It is unbelieveable the level of jealousy and hate these people have harboured in their heart for years and apparently South Korean public side with them. South Korean public is hella wierd.
as much as i don't like bang pd, that first video is super biased and left out a lot of information to show mhj as the victim in the situation.
same 😕
Hey Loui if you want to know more about this ador/MHJ/Hybe situation the channel Seoulite TV has a lot of videos about the situation
Seoulite is very biased against MHJ, and I say this as someone who doesn't support her. I think he's okay to watch if you've kind of made up your mind, but it's not exactly the place to go to for the 411 on the whole issue.
@@alwayspluto8413 I get what you mean but there really isn’t anyone who isn’t unbiased talking about the situation. Also at least he is presenting each sides statements in his videos
I agree. He is a trained reporter and even when he has a side, he clearly states what is his opinion, what are facts and explains the real legal issues. Not just gossipy stuff.
Aggressive rumors deserves aggressive support perfectly said by Boracity 💜💯
44:17 basically bang pd made big hit an independent label before creating hybe corporation (which was smart), so they are “under” hybe in the sense that big hit is part of the group of labels they “manage”, but they are still an independent entity - unlike the other already stablished labels that were acquired and the ones created by hybe afterwards.
She took a page out of any country drama/soap opera. My first watching it in real life, the movie is going to be crazy. Wonder who will play the shaman was that 68,000 text in 6 months to the shaman.
Did she sleep?
Lets continue supporting BTS Jin coming home soon.
47:29 Always thinking how scandals in West makes artists even more popular but in SKorea its the end for them. Like member from girl group was accused of bullying & her activities were stoped & later she was kicked out of the group. And some times later it was revealed it was a lie.
People just evil spreading bs to destroy others.
Garam never deserved that😢 Hope her future becomes full of fortune
dont worry Loui Hybe provided proof of mhj´s campain dating back to 2021 before she created NJ that she wanted the label for free so she could take it for herself after 3 years. there is tons of e-mails of her sceams witch basically proofed that all she said at the confrence was a lie.
MHJ join Big Hit/Hive to try and destroy BTS from the inside..
She fail it when she was at SM..
Seoulite TV is the best channel for context. Really direct, informative, and funny.
Hybe owns NewJeans songs, name etc, so if NewJeans breaks a contract they leaving with nothing + debt for breaching contract. Could be 5050 situation. But if Hybe lets NewJeans go..... Thats why mhj sayings hybe mistreats newjeans. Which how? By claiming Bang pd didn't say hello back in elevator, while in 2023 each member yearned 7milions. Me personally would give 0 fcks over boss not saying hi to me. But that's maybe just me.
And you need to see dialogue revealed how mhj talks about the girls. Thats disturbing. She has also certain reputation about young girls too.
Also when it all started before BTS becoming the target & shaman dialogue & Bang pd copying her with BTS, when Hybe revealed she needs to go, because of her project against Hybe & her revealing idols private information, inside label abuse etc, mhj came out with response these groups copy paste, ignoring serious accusation. Then that press came out & she was just blah blah, while her lawyers seemed done with her & tried to shush her.
The whole mess seems like kdrama, where vilains just babling to sway people, while main character just sits & lets vilain put foot in theirs mouth. And then its main characters time to speak.
While BTS got in the middle of that mess just because they build Hybe from near bankruptcy label.
Yeah, no on MHJ. She's a manipulator and is not just doing things the wrong way, she was doing things the illegal way. Beyond that, she was sharing information about minors to outside parties, let alone all of the other confidential information she was sharing. I am not defending Hybe in any way - entertainment companies are shady by nature. I have so many issues with her, though, stemming back to her work with Shinee and through everything she's pulling now. She can drag Bang PD all she wants, I really don't care. It's all this other crap that I have a huge problem with. The one thing I will say is that all she's done is drop rumors and tried to sway public opinion - she never once addressed the very real legal issues she's been accused of. Bora barely scratched the surface of everything that is going on since she focused (understandably) on BTS.
Also, it's a little rich for her to be accusing anyone of plagiarizing NJ considering they are an almost exact replica of a group from Mexico.
I love Boracity! Lets continue to support BTS!
main takeaway for me from this situation is: i don't trust hybe officials a single bit, i think most of them are shady money hungry people who don't care about bts and bighit and what they built and most of them came in only after hybe was created anyway, to collect money. so they're not clean either. but damn min heejin is absolutely insane. firstly, the plagiarism claims - it's basically her saying there can only be one group of very young girls making rnb type music in korea with jumpy moves in their choreography, because that's newjeans style!!! what is she smoking? it's easy to see what she's trying to do there because your eyes see vague similarities, but when you sit down and think about it, it's as dumb as bts plagiarism accusations about school outfits and hair colours. it's nonsense. and they don't even do the same type of music, they just have childish girl voices so your brain connects the two dots. newjeans do mostly rnb and the y2k concept, illit just have a general cute concept and their music isn't really pure rnb like that. the main thing connecting them is they are both very young, and min heejin probably has an issue with that because that's her actual main selling point with newjeans, if you look at all her words in this fiasco. not to mention the fact newjeans and min heejin have their own plagiarism accusation looming, of them copying a mexican group called jeans. the photo evidence has funnily, coincidentally, now been removed from the korean forum where it came from, but the evidence looked more solid than the illit copying newjeans accusation from min heejin, ironically.
secondly, min heejin's press conference was an absolute trainwreck in which she basically didn't manage to defend herself a single bit, just go on the attack by using the fact she's a woman and big 3 company kpop fans hate hybe and some crocodile tears to turn the situation in her favour. i've been following the situation from the start, followed the press conference live and i was flabbergasted by the fact it had that effect on the public considering how comical it was. she is evil, but she's also very smart. as she said in the messages leaked, she doesn't care about actually being correct, she only cares about how the headlines affect the general audience, who don't care enough to check the context or follow the situation thoroughly enough to see if the headline is correct. they only care that illit is accused of copying newjeans, not if it actually holds any water if you sit there and check. they only care that bts is accused of plagiarism, sajaegi, being in a cult and whatever else, they don't care to actually see if it's true or not and they will regurgitate that point for years to come. that's her strategy, and it's working for her.
the only good thing is this thing has gone to court, and unless she managed to buy the court too, i hope this situation gets resolved swiftly and bts don't have to come back to this mess.
in conclusion, bang pd screwed up by letting the snake in and giving her too much power and now both bts and he have to pay for it.
apparently shaman is common thing in South Korea. I know it seems unbeliveble but I watched a lot of Kdramas that have shaman in the storyline 😭
Mhj is a b
Oh no. not Kookielit :(
Adding to the others that the first video is taking all the comments mainly from the press conference and listing what she claimed there as fact. It is so obvious that this is all about the $$ for her and the kakao talks released of her speaking about other women and the the members of her own group are downright disgusting.
"they promised me!" is not the buisness deal she thinks it is. if ya have demands, put it in the contract
16:45 exactly! Whatever it is, she is an employee. She’s throwing a tantrum for not being spoiled - even when she was.
Loui I highly recommend Asian entertainment and culture's channel to learn what's really been going on- as she has things covered and the translations are from more reliable sources. So, I highly recommend her channel if you want to know whats been going on.
As other's have said- that kookie channel is very anti BTS. And ARMYs have been reporting their channel for a while.
The court said she maybe disloyal but not enough of a breach, what the heck? Spineless court system in Korea as its core!
korea's system is a**
so many serial r*pists/abusers etc. are allowed to walk free/have no repercussions even if they said they did a wrong thing, they really do not care
i've even watched true crime and a lot of it from korea it's just, these people get nothing or next to nothing for murder! it's insane
obviously every country has certain cases where they get no justice but from every story of court cases i've seen in korea it's literally either the weakest sentence or nothing, insane
even besides all this mhj has naked pictures of minors on her computer allegedly
like???
44:16 big hit is under hybe in an administrative way. But holds their creative decisions and other things. So the board of hybe can't decide about things so freely over big hit.. also the members have actions for big hit so they have power and a voice there
04:58 BTS female fans would be jealous of the who??? Yo I have army since 2017 and this the first time I saw this reason. The first video is so biased and BIGHIT/Hybe anti. The whole situation with MHJ has nothing to do with BIGHIT. Either they lack in research about this ongoing case or they just hate that company.
exactly, that purely came outta no where. Heck I know people even army joke that after glam Big Hit doesn't want to manage girl groups but that's just chatter that army are not even serious about but I think kpoppies really believe that bs cuz she mentioned that here too. Frankly they've got Lee Hyun, BTS & TXT now maybe they are happy managing what they have and don't plan on getting more groups in the BH label for now. Personally I think that can be an issue having too many groups cuz some of the big labels have so many groups they manage that can't take care of the ones they have but keep cranking out more groups despite that.
As International Armys, I don't feel it's that serious at first but just look at korean videos and comments on Min hee jin conference. If you translate the comments, almost all of them are on her side. So Boracity speaks the truth, it's really easy for korean netizens to believe baseless rumors. It's like they really believe on whatever the media told them. Smh
95% of people and articles internationally are against her and on bts side (internationally) but south korea is the opposite
so twisted
21:41 If honeslty this as well could be 4 different groups, the way kpop works. They follow the trend like zombie the brains.
Hybe really fulfilled their promise and treated her better than a board member. The fallout is all on her
That"free" concert cost $10 million
People who think the smear campaign against BTS (and other HYBE groups) and this whole thing with MHJ aren't related are just naive. It started right after she did her press conference and mentioned them. All that just a few months after all the members enlisted and right before Jin came back. In the middle of multiple releases from HYBE groups. She knew what she was doing - it was just a smoke screen for her and a way to harm HYBE and BTS
She accuses everyone of copying her. And she even accused HYBE of "breaching her privacy" by showing some of her texts as proof when she did the same thing first with BSH *in the media*. I don't trust anything a hypocrite says. I don't care about HYBE but it doesn't take a genius to understand what she tried to do and failed miserably. Now she has to deal with the mess she created to save her neck
I jumped here right after stream ended 😂😂
first of all, the public did not care in the slightest about a "Min Heejin girl group", the only real talk that was happening back then was people suspecting Sakura was joining a girl group under Hybe because Sakura is very famous and loved both in Korea and Japan
The song at 52:46 is ddaeng !!
Oh no, kookielit.
Wait until you hear about the OG Jeans. They are a Mexican girl group that started back in the 90s . They have a similar vibe.
Her plan from the get go was to start her own company
Now that you’ve watched this vid, you should watch the mini moni vid where rm shared rpwp with Jimin. And then go through the rpwp lyrics again. If u thought rm was pissed the first time u reacted to it, this will give you more insight as to why he was so pissed. There’s another reaction channel that’s currently watching festa 2022, and hearing RM say how tired he was was so heartbreaking! 💔
You would think they’ve reached a level where they don’t have to deal with this bs anymore, but I guess the bigger you get, the bigger the bs u have to deal with. I hope the boys are ok 😢
When u watch the busan concert u will see that they were saying f-you to the govt. And u're very valid for laughing at mhj for crying those crocodile tears. If someone genuinely starts crying in those situations, trust me, u'll know. Also I've never watched that 1st video but it felt kinda bull. They said they'd show both side but only showed one and used mhj text like they were a legitimate source but didn't mention the texts of her calling her own group's members names.
min heejin isn't even trying to get her worth cuz she ain't paid for nothing😂😂 bang pd gave her the money needed to buy the shares and all she trying to do is dip with a company (ador) and group (new jeans) she didn't pay for
loui pleease watch jujutsu kaisen! I've been watching it (till like s1 episode 8) and it's really interesting. It would be awesome to watch it along with you!
38:50 gargling BTS nuts.. 🤣
the first video seems very biased
I skip kookielit video lmaoooo
MHJ ruined NewJeans for me
NEW TRIBE VIDEEEEEOOOOOO LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Besides the videos from that anti kokolit and the facts spilled video from boracity, I can't wait till you finalky watch Yet To Come in Busan!
armys must have had a hard time, i felt so bad
OMG, I am hating so much how this Kookielit girl is making MHJ look like a poor victim, unbelievable 💀
Nobody copied her, she did not create anything from 0, she took inspiration from things that already exist, old things that were already bring out again before her, so she was not the want that bring it out again either.
She's just a narcissist.
BTS is BTS and will never rely in the industry for their growth
38:02 i thought a lot about this recently, and to me is not /just/ about the “success” itself. of course lots of people are jealous, but why are there so many moves to smear their names, instead of simply trying to beat them in the actual game? (even if by trying to copy them, which many indeed try)
to me, it always goes like this… you have a person/group that is:
1) successful (artistic-wise and money-wise)
2) loved and admired by millions around the world
3) impossible to actually copy/replace
4) genuine/honest people
that will evoke jealousy, envy and anger, specially when gradually starting to realize each of these aspects. being jealous of someone’s success can be “harmless” if it simply motivates you to do better. but not being able to deal with greed/envy is what leads them to fall down this specific route:
1) first, just trying to recreate their success (money, sales/stream numbers, prizes/awards, recognition, etc.)
if they fail to do it organically, they might cut corners or “cheat” to get some of those things (as many do), but they will soon face the next challenge:
2) getting a huge fanbase to back that up. not only having loyal/supporting fans, but _millions_ of people loving and appreciating your work.
3) since bts’ legendary level of success/recognition can’t actually be copied in all fronts (artistic value + achievements + amount of support + wealth/fame), this is when people realize they can’t do much but hope for their downfall. either to finally be able to their place as “the most successful xyz”, or to at least eliminate the unreachable standard for everybody else.
since a disbandment will likely not happen any time soon (organic downfall), they hope for a huge scandal to end them, but…
4) they are actually morally correct people (who would’ve thought!) and barely have scandals at all - much less a huge, unforgettable scandal that would end their careers.
so what’s left to do? well… just blow the irrelevant “scandals” they _do_ have out of proportion. not enough? twist, misconstrue, misinterpret something they said/did or that could be related/linked to them somehow. not enough? just pick at every single flaw/mistake you can find, no matter how tiny it is. still not enough? just fabricate it. make stuff up.
and what we have been seeing, for years, is the amalgamation of all that.
while random haters and keyboard warriors are most likely just jealous, and angry at their own jealousy (they can’t process that envy → it turns to hatred → they justify it with anything they possibly can), there certainly is an amount of people who are very much aware of what they are doing. they are the ones fueling the “random” haters/antis and actively using any power/influence they have to push narratives, engage in media play and facilitate the circulation of hateful discourse. [and just to be clear, these are the people i refer to as “they” when talking about the steps of trying to recreate bts, not necessarily the ones who’d “take their place”]
so then you got people spreading their agenda, and you got people desperately waiting for their hatred to be validated, all of them pushing narratives - whether by having the power to bait the masses or by being easily swayed/wanting to engaging with it.
So much has happened since this video, when it is resolved i hope she makes another video. Mhj has been lying so so much amd doing sooooo much shady shit. That first vid was just regurgitating her arguments after she was caught by the audit. She even wanted to pay to release new jeans from ador so that ador would be an empty shell she could then have someone favorable to her buy so she could buy it away from hybe for herself. She is spreading rumors and damaging reputations of young members of other groups and imo is unsafe to keep at hybe...not to mention all of the illegal business shes doing.
I personally think that aside from some aspects of ILLIT, the plagiarism accusations are ridiculous. Surely MHJ was aware that by debuting a highly-anticipated group with a unique concept she would start a trend? That's just how the kpop industry works - groups follow trends, and with 5th gen it has been all about modernising 90s and 2000s aesthetics, with NewJeans at the helm. She has only catalysed the popularisation of a trend that already existed.
im not on mhj's side in how she's been accusing groups of plagiarism n the smear campaigns, but i do think theres nuance as to why she's being believed in Korea. its the feminist movement. she's the only female ceo in that building, and whether she's telling the truth or not about sexism, i understand why feminists might feel for her. as we see when we watch 'marry my husband', the culture in the workplace is very different over there. i also think that the shaman was taking advantage of her fragile mental state, which probably didnt help with her going off the rails.
either way, im kind of worried about how things are gonna look when jin comes back :/
The fists video siding with MHJ 😂 making it seem as if she's a saint and Bang pd the only bad guy. Both of them did wrong, Bang pd was wrong for letting that SM snake in, that was a huge mistake. He gave her too much power, maybe he was in love with her cuz why tf would he give so much money, benefits, brand deals to someone who comes from SM, a rival company.
34:03 "Can i join ?" Me too lmao 😂
48:51 can someone tell me what video is this?
5:16 that’s BS 🤣🤣
Oh Boracity is so cool