Spot on comments. We have a 40kWh leaf. We call the sat nav "ShiteNav" it's that bad. Glynn Hopkin my local dealer refused to acknowledge any battery management issues. Never ever buying a Nissan again. Model 3 ordered, say no more. P.S Crack on with Patreon, you have been doing this too long now to not give it a good go. J
Lowcarb Ev - Nissan doesn’t care what they sell. Here in the US, Nissan is failing fast, and the financial “analysts” are scratching their heads trying to figure out why. Here’s why: their cars are unreliable garbage and nobody wants to buy them. You only buy a Nissan once, unless you like making the same mistake twice. Scotty Kilmer looooves to trash (“rubbish” to you non-Yanks) their vehicles, especially that pile-of-shite CVT which Nissan refuses to fix.
A superb second hand buy at today’s prices - very different from the price points and value on offer when this review was created. Proven reliability, decent dealer network and now an awful lot of car for the money.
I have just come to the same conclusion after a comparative test drive in the MG 4 Trophy. MG has a more sporty drive but is a bit fidgety on rougher roads. Leaf is a more comfortable and relaxing drive. As you say the Leaf LR is an awful lot of car for the money. The new wheels of the facelift Leaf are great - very Sierra Cosworth! (You only get plastic wheel trims on the MG). The ability to instantly drop into 'B' breaking mode on the gear selector of the Leaf beats making sure your screen is on the right page then reaching over to select a small icon from the other 4 driving modes of the MG. (One of the configurable buttons can be programmed for this function but you then have to cycle through all 5 drive modes to get back to mode 1 - the equivalent to 'D' on the Leaf). Other comments - MG 4 interior very dark (black headlining) and very little view through the rear mirror. The MG has a 'trigger' accelerator which makes for rapid power delivery - but the Leaf delivers its power in a more refined way. (Because of this and the choppy ride the MG made me a bit queezy over undulating bumps as feedback to my right foot seemed to gave a pulsating power effect. Due to all the positive videos about the MG 4 I expected to love it - as it is I am now back on the solid, reliable Leaf LR for a 2 year old, second hand buy.
@philbattye - What you have mentioned is a great synopsis 👏 What I didn’t mention in my comment (but is highly relevant to your points) is that I sold my Mk1 Leaf and bought a brand new MG4 as well! Due to issues you have mentioned (and many more with the MG4) I stepped out of it and went back to a Nissan Leaf. The Leaf just simply works and most people could be forgiven for expecting any modern EV to work. But they don’t all work the same or as well as one another. And that’s before you get to their Apps and additional functionality. For wider context, I also have a Tesla, which operates superbly too - however should be no surprise, given both manufacturers have been in the EV market since pretty much the beginning. I wish more people knew and understood the significance of this, especially given the complexity of electric vehicles. Thanks for your comment, I hope people can thoroughly experience and test their chosen EVs to be able to make to make purchase decisions that they will remain happy with - we are in a joint revolution of technology and vehicles as we move to zero emissions. And just in case anyone is wondering - ChaDeMo may be an outgoing standard and part of the fabric of the Leaf. But only a relevant future consideration if you need to rapid charge regularly - and otherwise the Leaf simply still nails it every other area (especially true of the higher specification Tekna models). The biggest thing, is it actually works as a car and an EV - sadly the same cannot be said for all EVs!
And, just to add, there now appears to be a working adaptor for Chademo to CCS-2 (from China of course). Expensive at the moment ~£1,500 but will probably come down. This potentially allows access to all chargers in the UK - Chademo, CCS and, eventually? Tesla!
watching this as considering upgrading our 30kw to one of these. As a house hold with a 30kw leaf and an MG ZS EV the MG isn't a car we'd buy again, yes it has the range compared with the leaf but it's not that nice to drive, regen doesn't work all the time, doesn't work at all on cruise control, charges slow as hell, for what every reason ours doesn't charge faster than 34kw, no app to preheat, no heated steering wheel - not a big thing for everyone but we're in north Scotland- to replace the MG we ordered an Enyak sportline in October that still hasn't arrived as the leaf is still perfect my 30 mile commute and I can pre heat it in the morning and before leaving work in winter.
I got 18000 Discount for the 62kwh Leaf. In the end the price was a lot cheaper than all the competitors. More comparable to a Zoe. For that price it was a no brainer.
Just leased a Leaf e+ Sv model in the states. Love the vehicle, pro pilot is fantastic. The e+ is more like a crossover then the model 3, which is too low to the ground for seating for me. Also the M3 has a trunk instead hatch. Yes, it is expensive, but it’s a great car not just an ev.
I like it, but the problem is its price puts it in direct competition with much more capable Vehicles like the Kona and the E Nero, and to be frank on long road trips the lack of active thermal management kills it for me. I love my 2012 leaf, but when i upgrade in a couple years will probably be looking elsewhere.
We like our Plus. The price after all the discount programs was reasonable. In Illinois we have no state discount, so my total after federal rebate for our SV with Tech and cold weather for a few pennies over 30K USD. In some states you can get the Plus for 25K. 40K Pounds is crazy talk, agreed it’s too much. No Kona or Niro in the Midwest. It’s Leaf, Bolt, and 3 only.
@@douglasalanthompson you can get those cars if you're willing to shop used or make a road trip, only issue is there's no dealer support for those vehicles, which is why I went for a leaf instead of a soul EV
Exactly. My local Kia said they can’t support the Niro, so we went Leaf as well. It works well, but you have to drive carefully to do over 210-220 on the highway.
EV prices are ridiculous. You could buy 3 similar petrol cars for the price of 1 Leaf! And of course the battery will need replacing at huge cost just when the car had depreciated to scrap value.
Well the battery life (for a temperature managed car) should be 20 years in the car and possibly another 10 on top for home storage. Nissan seem to be trying to go for 10 year battery life which is just daft.
I'm seriously considering the MZ ZS EV since your last video, and then you mention it again now. Hmmm... I'd still need to cover 30k miles to recover the equivalent fuel costs, but there seems to be lots of vehicles on the horizon. Think the Kia e-Nero ticks more boxes, especially on the range. Decisions, decisions...
Presumably you will cover 30K miles eventually, so that's no problem. And it's not just about the costs - it's about pollution and noise and climate change and just being the right thing to do (if you aren't going to just switch to a bike :-)
@@xxwookey Electric cars are very expensive and very polluting to make. And they still pollutes the air (although less than a ice car). I mean yeah we could pay more in order to "preserve" the environnement but i don't think the small benefits of EVs justify that costs. Bikes aren't a viable option for most people. (And EVs too actually)
Thank you for this informative review. Completely agree with all the points regarding value for money and lack of development. Forget the Pro Pilot, stick to Pro Plus 😁
As far as I can see there are 2 problems with the LEAF. 1Price $55K drive away is a lot of money for a Tiida. 2 Battery heat management. Everyone else in the EV market has an active cooling system. Nissan do not and this inevitably affects the life of the battery. If you're in the market for an EV do the research. Find out how long the battery is warranted for, find out what the expected life of the battery is and ask for a clear statement of the cost of replacement if the battery depletes after the warranty has expired. Nissan have a major problem in Australia quoting $33k for battery replacement on a car now worth $12K, only 7 years old and less than 100k/kms.
short and sweet. I have been similarly disappointed. We love our 30kWh leaf, and struggle to find replacement at the moment. Mind you , I paid full sticker price for my 30kWh Leaf - and I mean full, no discounts whatsoever. So what nissan are doing now, feels like a joke.
Like you I am disappointed in Nissans lastest offering. No Battery cooling/heating is unacceptable. After watching you and Ian Sampson on YT we bit the bullet and went for a 30kWh leaf tekna when they were doing the deals 3 years ago. Done Yorkshire -London 600 mile round trips with no issues. The 60 kWh leaf would need just as much planning as the 30 its a Model 3 for me at that price
In the 1980's Taiwan cornered the PC market by getting one design running and giving it to all manufacturers in the country to give it a go. Once the standard platform was set, there were hundreds of people making the basic mainboard, cases, power supplies and keyboards. Completely standard parts that swapped from brand A to Brand Z without hassles. I'm waiting to see if this will occur in the car market. Imagine everyone building engines, drive trains and battery packs that fit form and electrical specs for a standard. I live in a country where there are no subsidies, no tax breaks and zero interest in EVs other than in flashy mags. A set of standards for all of these parts would go a long way towards lowering the entry cost to EV ownership.
"I live in a country where there are no subsidies, no tax breaks and zero interest in EVs" - Actually, tax breaks, subsidies and incentives don't spur sales. So don't think that places that offer such things are seeing a sharp uptick in EV interest - they are not! Here in the U.S. only ~2% of all auto sales for 2018 were for EV/PHEV's; with very similar sales numbers for the UK (2.5%) and mainland Europe (2%). So, in short 98% of the general population are still choosing ICEV as their principal source of transportation, despite government efforts to entice people to buy them. EV's just aren't on par yet with their ICEV brethren to convince people to switch to them. Maybe someday, but not anytime soon.
@@jaroessa294 It's just that an entry-level leaf here is $55000 (option up from there), which is way beyond any budget I'd throw at this level of car. $55000 buys one heck of a nice ICE vehicle. Somehow this needs to get to $25k or so. Standardisation will do that. This will not happen while everyone is off on their own tangent with one source only bits. Look at the battery cooling complaint If you don't like the design, go and get a better one for the car from where?
@@saddle1940 Hey, I hear ya...and I'm on your side - as are 98% of consumers from two very large markets. EV's, in their current form, are just a niche product for a very, very, very small percentage of buyers. (2% vs 98%). Until some carmaker comes along and gets the price down to $20-25k, with 400 miles of range and a 5-10 min. FULL recharge capability, there will be no 'en masse' adoption of EV's anytime soon.
I bought a 2019 Nissan Leaf Plus with 214 horsepower and it will smoke most vehicles on the road today! This guy has a couple of valid points but he must work for an electric vehicle competitor. Yes, the Nissan Leaf Plus is not a Tesla 3 Performance. The Leaf is not as fast or in that category as a Tesla. The Leaf has some hard plastic and its looks are not as nice as the Tesla Model 3. If you think the others have better charging systems than the Leaf then go for it. Yes, you can buy a gasoline car for half the price if you want but you get what you pay for. Go buy a Chevrolet Spark or another dog vehicle if that's what you want and can afford, it makes sense. Once you go electric you can't go back to an internal combustion engine vehicle.
The 214 horsepower Nissan Leaf Plus will smoke a 200 horsepower Ford Fiesta. The torque off the line of the Leaf is immediate and intense. The Leaf Plus is not Tesla Model 3 Performance fast but at about $20,000 less it's a good deal. If you can afford the Tesla Roadster it goes 0 to 60 in 1.9 seconds. Quick is quick and faster is faster. The new Chevrolet Corvette is half that fast. Sorry. Electric vehicles are just superior.
@@markdemaegd4058 got to remember that the leaf top speed is something like 80or so where the ice car can do 120 so over 20 15 seconds or so the ice will win but then who goes 120?
Exactly what I'm thinking. Owning a 30kWh Leaf 1 I'm happy with the old car except for the really fast degrading battery. But the new Leaf is not desireable in any way. Waiting for a used Model 3 of course.
I bet that leather bit on the dash isn't real leather. I purchased a 2011 Nissan Joke Tekna with Leather seats, nowhere did i see or get told Part Leather. A fairly common fault was the plastic / vinyl seat side bolster splitting. Mine decided to split just outside of warranty, i have never had a car seat split before and because of that alone i would never touch another Nissan , even if it was brand new and a gift.
The look and dashboard I don't mind (though the subwoofer position is annoying loading wise - very impractical) nor care about. But the fact that there is no active battery management, plus the recent attempt of a Nissan dealership to fleece a first gen Nissan Leaf owner of $33000 for a new battery (when you can buy a second hand Leaf in Australia for $15000) puts me off buying one. Nissan don't realise that our summers often get over 40C, and you can't exactly take the battery out of the base of the car and wave it in the wind to cool it down while driving it. Very silly stuff from Nissan.
So, I booked my 48kWh N-Connecta into the local Nissan dealer for its first service and at the same time asked about a 3 year service plan. On the day of the service (less than 3 weeks later) I asked to take out the plan. “It’s £35 more now,” I was told. Really? “There’s nothing I can do.” Can I see the service manager then? She gone to Mexico for 2 weeks holiday. Bye bye Nissan, hello …
It does appear that Nissan is having problems.They have had some really innovative cars over the years, the first in my family was a 1500 Datsun, the Japanese roadster answer to the MGB(actually came out months before the MGB)...that was reliable and did not leak. My sister even rallied in it. The 240Z that changed everything. Which lead to the incredible GT-R. But even with the GT-R in recent years they had fallen behind since it appears research funds were drying up. From the lack of innovation, in a segment that owned, they will likely be out of the BEV and auto production entirely in a few years. But so will Ford, GM, and dozens of others within 5 years. The poor economic performance of these companies comes from the market being frozen by millions of potential buyers reluctance to buy on terms that they will still be paying on when everyone else has switched to BEV and they do not want to get stuck with payments on something with zero resale value. Even those who do not consider that liability, their interest has been sparked by BEV, Tesla in particular, the same way the iPhone changed their concept of phones into something more than just phone calls. It took buyers a year or so to change priorities but it takes legacy companies a decade to introduce new cars. The vast majority of buyers are not buying yet but they are not feeling so comfortable replacing what they have until they can afford the more expense electrics. Unfortunately, the major brands are clueless about the concept and all dove into creating prototypes that simply looked and behaved as if they were ICE but with power train swap. They assumed if they wanted electrics the companies would build on their brand name loyalties and make them so similar. That is a misreading of the buyers when they were hooked on the capabilities of the iPhone they did not care at all about loyalty to legacy flip phone makers. They were buying concept, lifestyle and philosophy, not a brand or continuation with their history. The only new car that looks at all competitive is the Porsche in performance but then they screwed up an put in that glitzy flashy control panel that screamed 1999. Basically, they are selling a $200,000 4 door sedan Panamerica with electric motors. It is puzzling the company why it flops. Nissan understood a market segment with the 240Z and GT-R but now, 43% controlled by Renault, there is a pretty good reason why they stopped innovating. I have no interest in any new cars, I do not even drive after moving to a large city in Eastern Europe with excellent public transportation. My only car left, after a life of being a collector and doing the restorations of dozens of Italian classic GTs, back in California is a Bora Maserati from 74 I have not driven in 18 years. I do not need a car, life is better without one......BUT, I really want a Tesla, even if I don't drive it regularly.
The older leaf is excellent value now, and the fact that one can buy a new battery for 5k, when the older battery degrades, is a no brainier. Buy the older leaf, and keep it, they will last for decades
Not many people can afford a $5000 battery every few years. And that negates all of your fuel savings. ICE cars are the no brainer not these ugly shitboxes.
As long as people accept medioca interior trim Nissan will not change.Want a brilliant interior look at the peugeot 3008 suv. Admittedly no ev (yet) but the inside is Woow
Thanks for this video. This car reminds me of the Pontiac GTO of 2007. Remember that car? Expectations were very high for that car but Pontiac spent very little developing it. It was a boring car with a big engine and that was it. 2 years later, Pontiac was no longer a company. I think Nissan is nearly dead as well. They have same of the worst new cars you can buy in terms of value and reliability. They have really fallen since being a top Toyota rival back in the 90’s.
I'd test driven it... felt nice, good power... read about the battery mess... test driven a model 3, came home with just a bit more money spent,way more power, way more luxury
2:50 Digital readout all the way! The information is already binary, and Nissan had to spend extra to add a D2A converter, and it makes it look like it belongs in the sodding 20th century! (Remember the first digital instrument panel in the 1980s Corvettes? I'd have bought one *just for that.*) 4:50 Nice that they went back to the motorised emergency brake. The ratchety sound of an analogue handbrake is so old skool. Besides, who's going to do handbrake turns in a LEAF?
No thermal management is stupid. Despite that every man and his dog is driving used import Leaf's here in NZ. You see these more than Corollas. Some down to 60-70 battery life. Would have faired better with thermal management
Nissan had the very same problem in the 1990's and through to the early 2000's at least. They were making cars that nobody wanted to buy. They looked very bland, they weren't high quality and Nissan tanked. They were the Original Japanese Auto maker. I think they recovered some from that disaster of a time but I don't think they ever made it back all the way and certainly not to the point of being able to compete with Honda and Toyota. Certainly not with the American Big 3. If Nissan plans on putting all of it's eggs into the EV basket, they will fail. I know Europe, and the Far East, India etc. have a big appetite for EV Vehicles, but the appetite in America isn't nearly as big. Even with automakers trying to develop more and push Hybrids and EV vehicles it just isn't taking off and I don't see that it will. My wife drives a Kia Niro Hybrid. I own two 2015 Chrysler 200C AWD cars. Now states such as California, and even Utah where we live want to Tax the miles driven by drivers of EV and Hyrbid vehicles to make up for the money they are losing in gasoline taxes. That is going to do nothing but push people away from EV's and Hybrids and right back into Gasoline cars. Nissan just doesn't make what I would consider to be quality cars.
IN the past 2 months i have seen 5 , 2011/2015 Nissan Leaf's with total dead battery packs worth nothing some guy was asking 800 pounds and Nissan are asking 8000 for battery pack so it seem that not worth buying at all
Poor design, poor battery management, just such a shame they don't conduct proper research from their customer base and promoters, crazy! I now own an Ampera until a few years have gone by when I will purchase another full EV.
All very good as a review, but I don’t see why EVM is so upset about Nissan dropping the ball. He seems to be emotionally attached to them for some reason, which I find odd.
It's very much a Japanese corporate issue, not just in cars but in just about every industry and is why the likes of Nikon in the camera field and JR in the RC field are struggling or have folded.
Such a shame we had a leaf but needed more range then the tesla came out and its light years ahead Under 40k and 0-60 in 5.5 sec and the sat nav and charging infrastructure just work
Nissan created something brilliant when they made the first leaf and now when electric cars are starting to take off ( so to speak) they give up when they could have really forged ahead and took a massive share of the electric market.
Lack of leadership. My Nissan dealer has been amazing, and we hated the bolt, so it’s why we went with the plus (no Niros or konas here). S+ was 10K more for base option. Similar range all things included. Propilot is pretty good.
You dropped the ball on your review. You definitely do not have an understanding of the automotive industry. I appreciate the car a lot. And I totally understand the challenges automakers have to face developing, selling and making a profit on EVs. I wish you focused on what the car offers from the getgo. No need to argue with you. Definitely a bad review and not sure what you're trying to accomplish. Maybe some recognition? Validation?
He likes it as much as the other, but he is disappointed on the differential between the hype and reality, and it's a rip off, (like anyone, secretly) he wishes he could punch the marketing guy that spew this bullshit. You get a kick ass Merc for that money or indeed a Tesla.
@@MyWorldRS No he actually didn't like the speedo, only the steering wheel. Actually I think that the steering wheel is the only salvageable thing in there. At that price I get a second hand Merc and pay for my petrol, insurance and tax for years.
@Barry Goldwater Not sure if you ask about Leaf or Tesla. Leaf was purchased 3.5 years ago so prices changed since then - but it was 1 year old ex-demo car and costed 12.5k. Model 3 costed 39k, still waiting for the delivery though
If you love the 30kwh Nissan Leaf you will be ecstatic driving the 62kwh Nissan Leaf Plus with twice the range and the horsepower! They were about the same price also with tax incentives. Do some homework people.
@@wakkadakkaify Didn't you say you had a 2013 Nissan Leaf? That year had about 100 horsepower and a 100 mile range in the S trim , about $28,000 MSRP in 2013. My 2019 Nissan Leaf Plus, a much higher trim level has 214 horsepower and charges 226 miles everytime I charge it . MSRP was $42, 890. You cannot compare apples to oranges. I am quoting you as much truth as I can. I tried to do as much homework as possible which is still a lot more than most on the internet. Thanks, wakkadakkaify.
@@markdemaegd4058 I have a 2017 leaf which was 28k. New leaf is 40k (prices in £). What it charges to makes no difference. I get 100-120 miles out of my car, how much real range do you get ?
For that price and the features, it's like as good as a 3 legged race horse with ancestor tree - in comparison to a Model 3. Bye bye Nissan, die quietly, please.
That's nothing,in Thailand we got a normal 40 Kwh battery Leaf with small ass dashboard for 51,000 pounds or almost 2 million THB and can't choose the trim here! Can't even imagine the horror of people who got their battery overheated in our hot year round climate. So we basically got the short end of stick model and then some.
I recently got the 40kwh on a lease and I think it's great. The interior seems the same as the e+ and I'm very happy with it, maybe I'd feel different if I'd had an older version if it's that similar but I think it's nice. Not sure why you care so much about the feel of the plastic above the dash? I'm pretty sure I've never cared about that. I'd heard the in car map was a bit rubbish but I've got apple car play so that's a non issue. Don't think the e+ is worth the extra money and glad I don't have the stupid bose box in my boot though.
Ben Jones he loves to make leaf videos bashing nissan and the leaf. I have a 2012 and like it. One thing i will point out that he is missing. Nissan never said they would change the shape or interior from the 40 kwh leaf to the 62 kwh leaf since it just came out in 2018. All they said they would add to the 62 kwh battery not a completely designed car from 2018 to 2019.i like the new shape. Interior doesn’t bother me. And my god when reviewing a car dont scratch or knock on the plastic it is not a luxury car. My 2012 was 36,000 if new but i paid 12000 used. So how does he expect to get a 62 kwh battery at the 2012 price of a 24 kwh battery.
After owning a Leaf 24kw, 30kw and 40kwh versions we have now moved onto a Kia E-Niro. Since 2013 I have had a very positive experiences with all our Nissans, but other manufacturers have moved ahead now so we have moved too.
Just bought a 2014 leaf for $8.5k and love it so far... But I have a question - are you buying a new car every 2-3 years and selling the old one? Because it seems like you would be taking a big hit each time since cars lose so much value... Is it that money is no object or do you have it worked out with a tax rebate to break even or something? (Not that having more EVs in the world is a bad thing, just wondering - I'm the kind of guy who buys a car used and drives it into the ground, so I'm interested to understand what's going on for someone buying new cars regularly)
@@itWouldBeWise That's why they are virtually disposable cars. The battery fails below 80,000 miles. I was thinking about getting a used leaf because I was told rebuild 24 kwh battery would be $2800. There's no rebuilt batteries anywhere. I was told a new battery would be $5400. Nissan raised the price to $8500 plus installation. Figured the price of the battery every 80,000 miles and the calculations came up to the same as if you drove a vehicle getting 14 miles per gallon. Then you have to add on the surcharges on tags, which is currently $120 extra per year going to $500 per year in the next few years. I priced a used Tesla with a bad battery, guess what, it's $24,000 plus installation and the insurance is almost triple what my current vehicle is. It's pretty obvious EV cars are expensive disposable toys. I really wanted one, but I wanted to save money too, not spend more.
Bryan Hensley Your information on battery life is incorrect. I own a 2013 Leaf with 85k miles and have only lost 2 bars. The battery life is supposed to be closer to 30 years than gauged in miles.
Yeah pretty much nailed it. They squandered a huge advantage and then made a car far less affordable than it was back 8 years ago when batteries were far more expensive. Makes no sense to do what they’ve done.
That's the EV premium biting. These cars only cost a few thousand to make and sell including wages. Normally cars get a 4-6× price multiplier, electric vehicles get a 1.5-2× additional price multiplier on top. Car makers know we need BEVs to survive car makers legacy of fossil vehicles, so since there's a needed demand capitalism says raise the price.
Nearly fell over a Leaf a few weeks ago on the motorway, he was clocking 40 mph trying to get to the services for a plug in and lunch, he could wash up they will have plenty of time
It’s not just Nissan that Renault have a helping hand with but a certain German marque has more to do with Renault than they want there customers to believe
I think you should do this review again . Do it from the point of view you never owned a Nissan Leaf ,because that will be the reality for most people thinking of changing over from an ice. So the copied interior and exterior won’t bother many , the price is a problem to be fair . Review it like someone is changing over from there diesel focus . Prices aside I think it’s a nicer car than your giving credit for .
@@boloborkowski9429 I have no idea about thermal battery management but how important is it? Obviously I am going to Google and RUclips this after I make this comment but is there a difference between the 64 and 40kWh versions? I suppose that in the 64kWh it's more important but what about the 40kWh version? Is the cooling, that dgdgjason allen mentioned, enough? I understand some of the technology that goes into Li-On batteries that are in smartphones. Is it significantly different in EVs?
@@NimbleBard48 More sophisticated EVs have liquid cooled batteries, which means better performance in super cold weather, and the battery won't overheat in super hot weather or if you are using fast charging. Ultimately whether that applies to you depends on your use case. If you do plan on using it for long trips, or live in extreme weather climates, then something like a Tesla 3 might be better with its actively cooled battery. OTOH, if you use it as a commuter car, mostly use regular charging at home (level 1 or level 2), and live in relatively temperate climate, it might not matter at all. Check you local prices. The MSRP is the same as the Model 3, however, there's no haggling to be had with Tesla, and their $7500 federal tax credit has already ran out. However, due to slow sales, you might be able to get a Leaf for 5000 off MSRP, and then add the federal tax credit on top of that, and the Leaf may cost more than 10K USD cheaper than a Model 3. In that scenario, I'd probably go for the Leaf.
I thought I would comment on this vid having recently ordered a 40kwh Leaf with a huge discount. Nothing else came close in price and should save me around £50 a month over my wheezy petrol car... Now a stepping stone for buyers to get into EV. Even the MGZS couldn't come close in terms of monthly price... Have Nissan relented?
Hey. I had the 62kwh foe 6months now. We bought it because of the biggest booth of the conpact class. And 3 screws and a socet and the the subwoofer is out. Its more than good enough for daily use.
Absolutely agree with you 100% being a 2018 leaf owner I’d me crazy to even consider the e-plus as my next car. Imagine paying luxury car tax for the e-plus?? That’s laughable
Its mad how Nissan are being run, the old new Micra was an expensive joke, they axed the note which is a fantastic car and the qashqui/ new Micra are just rebadged Renaults for twice the price... I blame the French 😆
@Tristan Trotman All vehicle refreshes are updated as is the Nissan Leaf Plus. Is it perfect, no. Does it have a bigger battery and more horsepower, yes. Does the Nissan Leaf Plus compete with almost all pure electric vehicles on the market, yes. No quality problems whatsoever.
Excuse me, but if any car company made a perfect vehicle there would never be any improvements. Tell me if I'm wrong. Please be specific because I am not Jay Leno but almost as acknowledged. I subscibe to 4 automobile magazines. Well, maybe not. I love Jay Leno by the way.
Yet to find a positive review of the e+ As a fellow leaf owner (lease) I feel exactly the same sense of let-down. My 40kw is great for now, but no way would I “upgrade” to this.
I have the a 2022 40kwh leaf Tekna, great car for what I paid, £19k with 7500 mileS on it. I bought and sold a Tesla model 3 earlier this year. Wasn’t worth the 42k I paid IMO. The leaf drives better in terms of comfort, and is a much better build quality. I have a friend who have been using a 40kwh leaf for 4 years as a UBER taxi. It’s done over 180,000 miles with no issues or repairs needed. Not even brake pads
They are a great second hand buy. Increasing number of non franchised businesses able to upgrade and repair. Reliability is good compared to the new kids on the block. I don’t get hung up on similarities with the older model. It may be the perfect go to car for first time EV drivers.
yep. the used Leaf price has dropped like a bomb and they're still far more reliable than any EV on the market. I want a nice car thats nice to drive and won't let me down. Thats what the Leaf is.
Adding every possible optional accessory onto it is completely disengenious. The e+ is Tekna spec already and has almost everything you could possibly want. The only actual functional extra over the base-price of £37k is the ProPilot parking assist for £1099. So £38k. In fact the actual "maybe" price you whimsied about. All those accessories are mostly tat that nobody actually buys with their car, and are almost all entirely cosmetic. So don't bullshit about it being a £43k car. It's not. And no one is paying anywhere near that much for one.
Completely agree!! Here in USA is priced similarly and the Leaf plus S is more expensive than Tesla Model 3 standard range. Also no battery cooling is big disadvantage and that 100kW CHAdeMO is a joke as in USA believe or not there is no 100kW CHAdeMO chargers. Then even on 50kW charger this car will rapitgate and pretty much diminish the idea of fast charging.
If you're caught using your phone whilst driving, in Britain and in some other countries, you can be fined and receive points on your license. An in-car satnav circumvents that problem.
@@RWBHere I understand that but at what point does it become a phone? The device is not just a phone but also a GPS and media centre for music and radio (internet radio).. I keep mine in a holder in the CD player. Perhaps laws are too loosely defined. If a person drives while holding their phone they are just asking for trouble, regardless of any laws.
Currently in UK You can get new Nissan Leaf 160kW 62kWh Auto e+ N- Connecta just under £27K which is very good price IMHO. KIA E Niro 2 now is around £33K.
I don't agree, I own one and as a used purchase and a range I need to only charge from home makes this a great car at less than £20,000 with only 4000 miles on the clock you can't go wrong.
This blagging people with words like ‘new model’ seems to be the way now as manufacturers concentrate on profit and sod it’s customers. Lame job, Nissan - not the company it used to be
Sorry, but they dropped the ball on the first one. It's an overpriced shitbox that shouldn't be allowed on sale. Gimme a petrol engine car any day and it'll run for 30 years plus before degrading to the extent one of these turds crap themselves along a highway
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I have a 2012 leaf and I had so much hope for this version but I think I will buy a model 3 rather than waste my money on the “new” leaf
Spot on comments. We have a 40kWh leaf. We call the sat nav "ShiteNav" it's that bad.
Glynn Hopkin my local dealer refused to acknowledge any battery management issues. Never ever buying a Nissan again.
Model 3 ordered, say no more.
P.S Crack on with Patreon, you have been doing this too long now to not give it a good go. J
Lowcarb Ev - Nissan doesn’t care what they sell. Here in the US, Nissan is failing fast, and the financial “analysts” are scratching their heads trying to figure out why. Here’s why: their cars are unreliable garbage and nobody wants to buy them. You only buy a Nissan once, unless you like making the same mistake twice. Scotty Kilmer looooves to trash (“rubbish” to you non-Yanks) their vehicles, especially that pile-of-shite CVT which Nissan refuses to fix.
No thermal battery management! That alone is enough reason to reject the Leaf.
Especially if you live in a climate where it's extra hot or cold, like northern Norway or Australia
Agent Smith or Canada
Yup.
Most of the US has the same problem.
Not for everyone - where I reside it is the perfect choice.
A superb second hand buy at today’s prices - very different from the price points and value on offer when this review was created. Proven reliability, decent dealer network and now an awful lot of car for the money.
I have just come to the same conclusion after a comparative test drive in the MG 4 Trophy. MG has a more sporty drive but is a bit fidgety on rougher roads. Leaf is a more comfortable and relaxing drive. As you say the Leaf LR is an awful lot of car for the money. The new wheels of the facelift Leaf are great - very Sierra Cosworth! (You only get plastic wheel trims on the MG).
The ability to instantly drop into 'B' breaking mode on the gear selector of the Leaf beats making sure your screen is on the right page then reaching over to select a small icon from the other 4 driving modes of the MG. (One of the configurable buttons can be programmed for this function but you then have to cycle through all 5 drive modes to get back to mode 1 - the equivalent to 'D' on the Leaf).
Other comments - MG 4 interior very dark (black headlining) and very little view through the rear mirror.
The MG has a 'trigger' accelerator which makes for rapid power delivery - but the Leaf delivers its power in a more refined way. (Because of this and the choppy ride the MG made me a bit queezy over undulating bumps as feedback to my right foot seemed to gave a pulsating power effect.
Due to all the positive videos about the MG 4 I expected to love it - as it is I am now back on the solid, reliable Leaf LR for a 2 year old, second hand buy.
@philbattye - What you have mentioned is a great synopsis 👏 What I didn’t mention in my comment (but is highly relevant to your points) is that I sold my Mk1 Leaf and bought a brand new MG4 as well! Due to issues you have mentioned (and many more with the MG4) I stepped out of it and went back to a Nissan Leaf. The Leaf just simply works and most people could be forgiven for expecting any modern EV to work. But they don’t all work the same or as well as one another. And that’s before you get to their Apps and additional functionality. For wider context, I also have a Tesla, which operates superbly too - however should be no surprise, given both manufacturers have been in the EV market since pretty much the beginning. I wish more people knew and understood the significance of this, especially given the complexity of electric vehicles. Thanks for your comment, I hope people can thoroughly experience and test their chosen EVs to be able to make to make purchase decisions that they will remain happy with - we are in a joint revolution of technology and vehicles as we move to zero emissions. And just in case anyone is wondering - ChaDeMo may be an outgoing standard and part of the fabric of the Leaf. But only a relevant future consideration if you need to rapid charge regularly - and otherwise the Leaf simply still nails it every other area (especially true of the higher specification Tekna models). The biggest thing, is it actually works as a car and an EV - sadly the same cannot be said for all EVs!
And, just to add, there now appears to be a working adaptor for Chademo to CCS-2 (from China of course). Expensive at the moment ~£1,500 but will probably come down. This potentially allows access to all chargers in the UK - Chademo, CCS and, eventually? Tesla!
4 years later. They are great second hand value.
watching this as considering upgrading our 30kw to one of these. As a house hold with a 30kw leaf and an MG ZS EV the MG isn't a car we'd buy again, yes it has the range compared with the leaf but it's not that nice to drive, regen doesn't work all the time, doesn't work at all on cruise control, charges slow as hell, for what every reason ours doesn't charge faster than 34kw, no app to preheat, no heated steering wheel - not a big thing for everyone but we're in north Scotland- to replace the MG we ordered an Enyak sportline in October that still hasn't arrived as the leaf is still perfect my 30 mile commute and I can pre heat it in the morning and before leaving work in winter.
I got 18000 Discount for the 62kwh Leaf. In the end the price was a lot cheaper than all the competitors. More comparable to a Zoe. For that price it was a no brainer.
Absolutely bang on the nail.
Instead of bringing out the 60, just get the 40 to a sub £ 20k
There a market at that price
A fully loaded Leaf, is more than my brand new BMW 5 Series M Sport 😂 And as for those Tick Tack plastic panels, oh dear.
Your 5 series probably needs more fuel than 2 litres per 100km.
@@novacolonel5287 and I would rather pay the fuel and drive the BMW 5 series
Mark Bennett ... I’m certainly no BMW fan, but have to agree with you there👍🏻👍🏻
That cant be true. New bmw M5 costs at least 90 000.
matej škafar ... Yes but just think how much cable your going to need for the Leaf if you want to go anywhere 😳😳
That’ll cost a fortune per metre 🤣🤣
In Jan 2024 the prices are now down to around 14k. I'm now tempted at these prices. Seems to be a good upgrade from our 2015 24kWh Leaf.
Spot on with that review by the look of it.
I own the exact same model of Leaf as you. And also just like you, it is my second Leaf. And like you it will be my last for all of the same reasons.
Just leased a Leaf e+ Sv model in the states. Love the vehicle, pro pilot is fantastic.
The e+ is more like a crossover then the model 3, which is too low to the ground for seating for me. Also the M3 has a trunk instead hatch.
Yes, it is expensive, but it’s a great car not just an ev.
I like it, but the problem is its price puts it in direct competition with much more capable Vehicles like the Kona and the E Nero, and to be frank on long road trips the lack of active thermal management kills it for me. I love my 2012 leaf, but when i upgrade in a couple years will probably be looking elsewhere.
We like our Plus. The price after all the discount programs was reasonable. In Illinois we have no state discount, so my total after federal rebate for our SV with Tech and cold weather for a few pennies over 30K USD. In some states you can get the Plus for 25K. 40K Pounds is crazy talk, agreed it’s too much. No Kona or Niro in the Midwest. It’s Leaf, Bolt, and 3 only.
@@douglasalanthompson you can get those cars if you're willing to shop used or make a road trip, only issue is there's no dealer support for those vehicles, which is why I went for a leaf instead of a soul EV
@@douglasalanthompson 30k for a plus is pretty impressive especially an sv.
Exactly. My local Kia said they can’t support the Niro, so we went Leaf as well. It works well, but you have to drive carefully to do over 210-220 on the highway.
Nissans in general have a bad reputation here in Australia.
Australians have a pretty bad reputation outside Australia.
Totally agree, spot on comments. Going from a Leaf 30 to the ZSEV it makes my long frequent 120 mile trip a doddle. And at £23k it is decent value.
EV prices are ridiculous.
You could buy 3 similar petrol cars for the price of 1 Leaf!
And of course the battery will need replacing at huge cost just when the car had depreciated to scrap value.
Bob on!
Well the battery life (for a temperature managed car) should be 20 years in the car and possibly another 10 on top for home storage. Nissan seem to be trying to go for 10 year battery life which is just daft.
I'm seriously considering the MZ ZS EV since your last video, and then you mention it again now. Hmmm... I'd still need to cover 30k miles to recover the equivalent fuel costs, but there seems to be lots of vehicles on the horizon. Think the Kia e-Nero ticks more boxes, especially on the range. Decisions, decisions...
Presumably you will cover 30K miles eventually, so that's no problem. And it's not just about the costs - it's about pollution and noise and climate change and just being the right thing to do (if you aren't going to just switch to a bike :-)
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Electric cars are very expensive and very polluting to make.
And they still pollutes the air (although less than a ice car).
I mean yeah we could pay more in order to "preserve" the environnement but i don't think the small benefits of EVs justify that costs.
Bikes aren't a viable option for most people. (And EVs too actually)
Not the e-niro, please no :(
@@xxwookey Yeah 30k in user three years. Have decided to enter the world of EV ownership and have ordered an MG ZS EV for delivery next March.
Thank you for this informative review. Completely agree with all the points regarding value for money and lack of development. Forget the Pro Pilot, stick to Pro Plus 😁
As far as I can see there are 2 problems with the LEAF. 1Price $55K drive away is a lot of money for a Tiida. 2 Battery heat management. Everyone else in the EV market has an active cooling system. Nissan do not and this inevitably affects the life of the battery. If you're in the market for an EV do the research. Find out how long the battery is warranted for, find out what the expected life of the battery is and ask for a clear statement of the cost of replacement if the battery depletes after the warranty has expired. Nissan have a major problem in Australia quoting $33k for battery replacement on a car now worth $12K, only 7 years old and less than 100k/kms.
short and sweet. I have been similarly disappointed. We love our 30kWh leaf, and struggle to find replacement at the moment. Mind you , I paid full sticker price for my 30kWh Leaf - and I mean full, no discounts whatsoever. So what nissan are doing now, feels like a joke.
As a Leaf 30 owner i totally agree, i would never buy a Leaf 40 or 62.
Its not too bad a deal used.
If you can find it,
Like you I am disappointed in Nissans lastest offering. No Battery cooling/heating is unacceptable. After watching you and Ian Sampson on YT we bit the bullet and went for a 30kWh leaf tekna when they were doing the deals 3 years ago. Done Yorkshire -London 600 mile round trips with no issues. The 60 kWh leaf would need just as much planning as the 30 its a Model 3 for me at that price
In the 1980's Taiwan cornered the PC market by getting one design running and giving it to all manufacturers in the country to give it a go. Once the standard platform was set, there were hundreds of people making the basic mainboard, cases, power supplies and keyboards. Completely standard parts that swapped from brand A to Brand Z without hassles.
I'm waiting to see if this will occur in the car market. Imagine everyone building engines, drive trains and battery packs that fit form and electrical specs for a standard.
I live in a country where there are no subsidies, no tax breaks and zero interest in EVs other than in flashy mags. A set of standards for all of these parts would go a long way towards lowering the entry cost to EV ownership.
"I live in a country where there are no subsidies, no tax breaks and zero interest in EVs" - Actually, tax breaks, subsidies and incentives don't spur sales. So don't think that places that offer such things are seeing a sharp uptick in EV interest - they are not! Here in the U.S. only ~2% of all auto sales for 2018 were for EV/PHEV's; with very similar sales numbers for the UK (2.5%) and mainland Europe (2%). So, in short 98% of the general population are still choosing ICEV as their principal source of transportation, despite government efforts to entice people to buy them. EV's just aren't on par yet with their ICEV brethren to convince people to switch to them. Maybe someday, but not anytime soon.
@@jaroessa294 It's just that an entry-level leaf here is $55000 (option up from there), which is way beyond any budget I'd throw at this level of car. $55000 buys one heck of a nice ICE vehicle. Somehow this needs to get to $25k or so. Standardisation will do that. This will not happen while everyone is off on their own tangent with one source only bits.
Look at the battery cooling complaint If you don't like the design, go and get a better one for the car from where?
@@saddle1940 Hey, I hear ya...and I'm on your side - as are 98% of consumers from two very large markets. EV's, in their current form, are just a niche product for a very, very, very small percentage of buyers. (2% vs 98%). Until some carmaker comes along and gets the price down to $20-25k, with 400 miles of range and a 5-10 min. FULL recharge capability, there will be no 'en masse' adoption of EV's anytime soon.
215HP? my friend just took delivery of a brand new fiesta ST (200HP) i cant wait to till him a Nissan Leaf is more powerful haha
Hyondi Kona E is 215 bhp, the KIA E niro is the same xD
I bought a 2019 Nissan Leaf Plus with 214 horsepower and it will smoke most vehicles on the road today! This guy has a couple of valid points but he must work for an electric vehicle competitor. Yes, the Nissan Leaf Plus is not a Tesla 3 Performance. The Leaf is not as fast or in that category as a Tesla. The Leaf has some hard plastic and its looks are not as nice as the Tesla Model 3. If you think the others have better charging systems than the Leaf then go for it. Yes, you can buy a gasoline car for half the price if you want but you get what you pay for. Go buy a Chevrolet Spark or another dog vehicle if that's what you want and can afford, it makes sense. Once you go electric you can't go back to an internal combustion engine vehicle.
The 214 horsepower Nissan Leaf Plus will smoke a 200 horsepower Ford Fiesta. The torque off the line of the Leaf is immediate and intense. The Leaf Plus is not Tesla Model 3 Performance fast but at about $20,000 less it's a good deal. If you can afford the Tesla Roadster it goes 0 to 60 in 1.9 seconds. Quick is quick and faster is faster. The new Chevrolet Corvette is half that fast. Sorry. Electric vehicles are just superior.
@@markdemaegd4058 got to remember that the leaf top speed is something like 80or so where the ice car can do 120 so over 20 15 seconds or so the ice will win but then who goes 120?
@@Chappers.Gaming The 2019 Nissan Leaf Plus has a top speed of 100 mph and it gets there very quickly.
Exactly what I'm thinking. Owning a 30kWh Leaf 1 I'm happy with the old car except for the really fast degrading battery. But the new Leaf is not desireable in any way. Waiting for a used Model 3 of course.
I bet that leather bit on the dash isn't real leather. I purchased a 2011 Nissan Joke Tekna with Leather seats, nowhere did i see or get told Part Leather. A fairly common fault was the plastic / vinyl seat side bolster splitting. Mine decided to split just outside of warranty, i have never had a car seat split before and because of that alone i would never touch another Nissan , even if it was brand new and a gift.
I’ve said it before and I’ll ay it again
E NIRO.
If you want to wait more than 12mths!
@@elliotjohnston5775 still that long waiting list. So Tesla is doing a hell of a job.
And Renault to, Zoë is available in 6 weeks time
>^. .^< Big Yes, I agree, after Datsun chose to spend the $.$$ - Money to chnge the name to Nissan they started sliding down hill
The look and dashboard I don't mind (though the subwoofer position is annoying loading wise - very impractical) nor care about. But the fact that there is no active battery management, plus the recent attempt of a Nissan dealership to fleece a first gen Nissan Leaf owner of $33000 for a new battery (when you can buy a second hand Leaf in Australia for $15000) puts me off buying one. Nissan don't realise that our summers often get over 40C, and you can't exactly take the battery out of the base of the car and wave it in the wind to cool it down while driving it. Very silly stuff from Nissan.
So, I booked my 48kWh N-Connecta into the local Nissan dealer for its first service and at the same time asked about a 3 year service plan. On the day of the service (less than 3 weeks later) I asked to take out the plan. “It’s £35 more now,” I was told. Really? “There’s nothing I can do.” Can I see the service manager then? She gone to Mexico for 2 weeks holiday. Bye bye Nissan, hello …
It does appear that Nissan is having problems.They have had some really innovative cars over the years, the first in my family was a 1500 Datsun, the Japanese roadster answer to the MGB(actually came out months before the MGB)...that was reliable and did not leak. My sister even rallied in it. The 240Z that changed everything. Which lead to the incredible GT-R. But even with the GT-R in recent years they had fallen behind since it appears research funds were drying up. From the lack of innovation, in a segment that owned, they will likely be out of the BEV and auto production entirely in a few years. But so will Ford, GM, and dozens of others within 5 years. The poor economic performance of these companies comes from the market being frozen by millions of potential buyers reluctance to buy on terms that they will still be paying on when everyone else has switched to BEV and they do not want to get stuck with payments on something with zero resale value. Even those who do not consider that liability, their interest has been sparked by BEV, Tesla in particular, the same way the iPhone changed their concept of phones into something more than just phone calls. It took buyers a year or so to change priorities but it takes legacy companies a decade to introduce new cars. The vast majority of buyers are not buying yet but they are not feeling so comfortable replacing what they have until they can afford the more expense electrics.
Unfortunately, the major brands are clueless about the concept and all dove into creating prototypes that simply looked and behaved as if they were ICE but with power train swap. They assumed if they wanted electrics the companies would build on their brand name loyalties and make them so similar. That is a misreading of the buyers when they were hooked on the capabilities of the iPhone they did not care at all about loyalty to legacy flip phone makers. They were buying concept, lifestyle and philosophy, not a brand or continuation with their history. The only new car that looks at all competitive is the Porsche in performance but then they screwed up an put in that glitzy flashy control panel that screamed 1999. Basically, they are selling a $200,000 4 door sedan Panamerica with electric motors. It is puzzling the company why it flops.
Nissan understood a market segment with the 240Z and GT-R but now, 43% controlled by Renault, there is a pretty good reason why they stopped innovating.
I have no interest in any new cars, I do not even drive after moving to a large city in Eastern Europe with excellent public transportation. My only car left, after a life of being a collector and doing the restorations of dozens of Italian classic GTs, back in California is a Bora Maserati from 74 I have not driven in 18 years. I do not need a car, life is better without one......BUT, I really want a Tesla, even if I don't drive it regularly.
If you really want to see how bad Nissan is, you should try Nissan Australia. Charging $33k AUD to replace the battery pack in a 2015 Leaf, with
The older leaf is excellent value now, and the fact that one can buy a new battery for 5k, when the older battery degrades, is a no brainier. Buy the older leaf, and keep it, they will last for decades
Not many people can afford a $5000 battery every few years. And that negates all of your fuel savings. ICE cars are the no brainer not these ugly shitboxes.
As long as people accept medioca interior trim Nissan will not change.Want a brilliant interior look at the peugeot 3008 suv. Admittedly no ev (yet) but the inside is Woow
Thanks for this video. This car reminds me of the Pontiac GTO of 2007. Remember that car? Expectations were very high for that car but Pontiac spent very little developing it. It was a boring car with a big engine and that was it. 2 years later, Pontiac was no longer a company. I think Nissan is nearly dead as well. They have same of the worst new cars you can buy in terms of value and reliability. They have really fallen since being a top Toyota rival back in the 90’s.
I'd test driven it... felt nice, good power... read about the battery mess... test driven a model 3, came home with just a bit more money spent,way more power, way more luxury
Looks like Nissan is heading for LOTS more profit warnings ! You'd need to be be medically certifiable to consider paying the latest price hikes.
2:50 Digital readout all the way! The information is already binary, and Nissan had to spend extra to add a D2A converter, and it makes it look like it belongs in the sodding 20th century! (Remember the first digital instrument panel in the 1980s Corvettes? I'd have bought one *just for that.*)
4:50 Nice that they went back to the motorised emergency brake. The ratchety sound of an analogue handbrake is so old skool. Besides, who's going to do handbrake turns in a LEAF?
Even forgot ChaDeMo is not expanding because it’s CCS only from now on (in the EU)
Is vehicle to grid or even to home doable yet?
No thermal management is stupid. Despite that every man and his dog is driving used import Leaf's here in NZ. You see these more than Corollas. Some down to 60-70 battery life. Would have faired better with thermal management
Agree. Miles too expensive. It's not going to make people buy an EV. You could get a focus and have 16,000 left to spend on fuel.
8:20 "Literally double the price for white I paid for my original Leaf ... is just not a good value"
Nissan had the very same problem in the 1990's and through to the early 2000's at least. They were making cars that nobody wanted to buy. They looked very bland, they weren't high quality and Nissan tanked. They were the Original Japanese Auto maker. I think they recovered some from that disaster of a time but I don't think they ever made it back all the way and certainly not to the point of being able to compete with Honda and Toyota. Certainly not with the American Big 3. If Nissan plans on putting all of it's eggs into the EV basket, they will fail. I know Europe, and the Far East, India etc. have a big appetite for EV Vehicles, but the appetite in America isn't nearly as big. Even with automakers trying to develop more and push Hybrids and EV vehicles it just isn't taking off and I don't see that it will. My wife drives a Kia Niro Hybrid. I own two 2015 Chrysler 200C AWD cars. Now states such as California, and even Utah where we live want to Tax the miles driven by drivers of EV and Hyrbid vehicles to make up for the money they are losing in gasoline taxes. That is going to do nothing but push people away from EV's and Hybrids and right back into Gasoline cars. Nissan just doesn't make what I would consider to be quality cars.
IN the past 2 months i have seen 5 , 2011/2015 Nissan Leaf's with total dead battery packs worth nothing some guy was asking 800 pounds and Nissan are asking 8000 for battery pack so it seem that not worth buying at all
Great review totally honest.. but still you don't spill the beans on what you are buying next??
I don't know.
Poor design, poor battery management, just such a shame they don't conduct proper research from their customer base and promoters, crazy! I now own an Ampera until a few years have gone by when I will purchase another full EV.
All very good as a review, but I don’t see why EVM is so upset about Nissan dropping the ball. He seems to be emotionally attached to them for some reason, which I find odd.
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You've highlighted the problem with the legacy manufacturers, they don't listen to their customers they know best.
It's very much a Japanese corporate issue, not just in cars but in just about every industry and is why the likes of Nikon in the camera field and JR in the RC field are struggling or have folded.
Yes, came to the same conclusion so bought a Model 3.
At the beggining he wishes half the price, not 10k more ;)
Such a shame we had a leaf but needed more range then the tesla came out and its light years ahead
Under 40k and 0-60 in 5.5 sec and the sat nav and charging infrastructure just work
EVM: Produces a video
*Nissan has left the chat*
*_Nissan has lost the plot._*
@@RWBHere that was after the 40kwh leaf was revealed
Nissan created something brilliant when they made the first leaf and now when electric cars are starting to take off ( so to speak) they give up when they could have really forged ahead and took a massive share of the electric market.
Agreed they need to get off their butt
ID3 has made this completely irrelevant! Why has Nissan thrown everything away?
BMW is not much better
Lack of leadership. My Nissan dealer has been amazing, and we hated the bolt, so it’s why we went with the plus (no Niros or konas here). S+ was 10K more for base option. Similar range all things included. Propilot is pretty good.
Nissan in the car ev market are like Apple in the smartphone market Same old and charge heaps..
Wait for the next generation EV from Nissan -
You dropped the ball on your review. You definitely do not have an understanding of the automotive industry.
I appreciate the car a lot. And I totally understand the challenges automakers have to face developing, selling and making a profit on EVs.
I wish you focused on what the car offers from the getgo. No need to argue with you. Definitely a bad review and not sure what you're trying to accomplish. Maybe some recognition? Validation?
Oh come on... don't sit on the fence, do you like it or not ???
(Hiding behind keyboard)
He likes it as much as the other, but he is disappointed on the differential between the hype and reality, and it's a rip off, (like anyone, secretly) he wishes he could punch the marketing guy that spew this bullshit.
You get a kick ass Merc for that money or indeed a Tesla.
Wait.... so he kinda liked the steering wheel and actually liked the speedo 👍👍👍
@@MyWorldRS No he actually didn't like the speedo, only the steering wheel. Actually I think that the steering wheel is the only salvageable thing in there. At that price I get a second hand Merc and pay for my petrol, insurance and tax for years.
Ben Adams cant the cockwomble reply himself or areyou the one that pulls his strings
@@joeking1823 Hm.. the answers are on the video, I was just trying to help, go munch on a crayon?
As owner of 24kw Leaf - I always thought that my second EV will be a long range Leaf.
But 100% agree with you - ordered Model 3 instead.
Irek do you need pass driving test still for electric cars?
@@kirsakaboom-5960 yes, I think full autonomy is at least a decade or two away
@Barry Goldwater Not sure if you ask about Leaf or Tesla.
Leaf was purchased 3.5 years ago so prices changed since then - but it was 1 year old ex-demo car and costed 12.5k.
Model 3 costed 39k, still waiting for the delivery though
It's not affordable for the average man that's a luxury price for a non luxury car without decent technology of thermal management
If the id3 lives up to the claims then I think Nissan won't be sell I many leafs at 36k anymore .
yeah, sadly nissan has killed their EV lineup with this car. What a shame, I love my 30kwh leaf.
If you love the 30kwh Nissan Leaf you will be ecstatic driving the 62kwh Nissan Leaf Plus with twice the range and the horsepower! They were about the same price also with tax incentives. Do some homework people.
@@markdemaegd4058 62kwh leaf is almost 40k. 30kwh was 28.
@@markdemaegd4058 not to mention it doesn't have twice the range (or power). It seems you need revisit your "research"
@@wakkadakkaify Didn't you say you had a 2013 Nissan Leaf? That year had about 100 horsepower and a 100 mile range in the S trim , about $28,000 MSRP in 2013. My 2019 Nissan Leaf Plus, a much higher trim level has 214 horsepower and charges 226 miles everytime I charge it . MSRP was $42, 890. You cannot compare apples to oranges. I am quoting you as much truth as I can. I tried to do as much homework as possible which is still a lot more than most on the internet. Thanks, wakkadakkaify.
@@markdemaegd4058 I have a 2017 leaf which was 28k. New leaf is 40k (prices in £). What it charges to makes no difference. I get 100-120 miles out of my car, how much real range do you get ?
The piano black finish is only there to drive the OCD insane!
For that price and the features, it's like as good as a 3 legged race horse with ancestor tree - in comparison to a Model 3.
Bye bye Nissan, die quietly, please.
no nonsense review. good stuff!
“42,000 pounds for a Nissan Leaf”
The dirty money grabbing ... (Catherine Tate reference)
That's nothing,in Thailand we got a normal 40 Kwh battery Leaf with small ass dashboard for 51,000 pounds or almost 2 million THB and can't choose the trim here!
Can't even imagine the horror of people who got their battery overheated in our hot year round climate.
So we basically got the short end of stick model and then some.
I recently got the 40kwh on a lease and I think it's great. The interior seems the same as the e+ and I'm very happy with it, maybe I'd feel different if I'd had an older version if it's that similar but I think it's nice. Not sure why you care so much about the feel of the plastic above the dash? I'm pretty sure I've never cared about that. I'd heard the in car map was a bit rubbish but I've got apple car play so that's a non issue.
Don't think the e+ is worth the extra money and glad I don't have the stupid bose box in my boot though.
Ben Jones he loves to make leaf videos bashing nissan and the leaf. I have a 2012 and like it. One thing i will point out that he is missing. Nissan never said they would change the shape or interior from the 40 kwh leaf to the 62 kwh leaf since it just came out in 2018. All they said they would add to the 62 kwh battery not a completely designed car from 2018 to 2019.i like the new shape. Interior doesn’t bother me. And my god when reviewing a car dont scratch or knock on the plastic it is not a luxury car. My 2012 was 36,000 if new but i paid 12000 used. So how does he expect to get a 62 kwh battery at the 2012 price of a 24 kwh battery.
After owning a Leaf 24kw, 30kw and 40kwh versions we have now moved onto a Kia E-Niro. Since 2013 I have had a very positive experiences with all our Nissans, but other manufacturers have moved ahead now so we have moved too.
Just bought a 2014 leaf for $8.5k and love it so far... But I have a question - are you buying a new car every 2-3 years and selling the old one? Because it seems like you would be taking a big hit each time since cars lose so much value... Is it that money is no object or do you have it worked out with a tax rebate to break even or something? (Not that having more EVs in the world is a bad thing, just wondering - I'm the kind of guy who buys a car used and drives it into the ground, so I'm interested to understand what's going on for someone buying new cars regularly)
@@itWouldBeWise That's why they are virtually disposable cars. The battery fails below 80,000 miles. I was thinking about getting a used leaf because I was told rebuild 24 kwh battery would be $2800. There's no rebuilt batteries anywhere. I was told a new battery would be $5400. Nissan raised the price to $8500 plus installation. Figured the price of the battery every 80,000 miles and the calculations came up to the same as if you drove a vehicle getting 14 miles per gallon. Then you have to add on the surcharges on tags, which is currently $120 extra per year going to $500 per year in the next few years. I priced a used Tesla with a bad battery, guess what, it's $24,000 plus installation and the insurance is almost triple what my current vehicle is. It's pretty obvious EV cars are expensive disposable toys. I really wanted one, but I wanted to save money too, not spend more.
Bryan Hensley Your information on battery life is incorrect. I own a 2013 Leaf with 85k miles and have only lost 2 bars. The battery life is supposed to be closer to 30 years than gauged in miles.
K Chris my 2013 Leaf 24 kwh, 60k miles lose two bars and leaf spy showing available 15 kWh
@@Bryan-Hensley ya. Not like I'm in the market for a car but I'll be waiting some more years before I get one also.
Yeah pretty much nailed it. They squandered a huge advantage and then made a car far less affordable than it was back 8 years ago when batteries were far more expensive. Makes no sense to do what they’ve done.
That's the EV premium biting. These cars only cost a few thousand to make and sell including wages.
Normally cars get a 4-6× price multiplier, electric vehicles get a 1.5-2× additional price multiplier on top.
Car makers know we need BEVs to survive car makers legacy of fossil vehicles, so since there's a needed demand capitalism says raise the price.
Nearly fell over a Leaf a few weeks ago on the motorway, he was clocking 40 mph trying to get to the services for a plug in and lunch, he could wash up they will have plenty of time
That’s a 24k Car grossly overpriced. That surly won’t sell, a hard sell when Cars are coming onto the market superior and cheaper. Something a miss.
Renault has 43.4% stake in Nissan...... I would rather catch the bus than drive a Renault!
It’s not just Nissan that Renault have a helping hand with but a certain German marque has more to do with Renault than they want there customers to believe
I agree , the new e+ is such a let down , sad that nissan have gone from world leading affordable ev , to the worst value ev on the market !
My brothers selling his top spec new Zoe40 in a few months if you're interested!
@@ElectricVehicleMan no ,zoe not my thing , i dont like the batt lease , unless it an 'i'
@@JonathanPorterfield No it's a lease. He's got the EV bug and swapping it for a eZS (getting rid of the 2nd petrol car too).
I think you should do this review again . Do it from the point of view you never owned a Nissan Leaf ,because that will be the reality for most people thinking of changing over from an ice. So the copied interior and exterior won’t bother many , the price is a problem to be fair . Review it like someone is changing over from there diesel focus . Prices aside I think it’s a nicer car than your giving credit for .
I stated in the video that it’s not a bad car but it’s way overpriced. Although it’s less efficient than all of it’s rivals.
You could by a BMW 140i for less and just think how much more fun would you have
paul watson - Both cars look great on the back of a tow truck....
Lack of thermal battery management and price kills it for me.
there is thermal management, coolant runs through the battery
@@dgdgjasonallen1091 there is zero active cooling in new 62kwh version, bravo Nissan
Yep so disappointed with this, I was poised to buy one but no thermal management, no chance. Without a decent BMS battery vehicles are useless.
@@boloborkowski9429 I have no idea about thermal battery management but how important is it? Obviously I am going to Google and RUclips this after I make this comment but is there a difference between the 64 and 40kWh versions? I suppose that in the 64kWh it's more important but what about the 40kWh version? Is the cooling, that
dgdgjason allen mentioned, enough?
I understand some of the technology that goes into Li-On batteries that are in smartphones. Is it significantly different in EVs?
@@NimbleBard48 More sophisticated EVs have liquid cooled batteries, which means better performance in super cold weather, and the battery won't overheat in super hot weather or if you are using fast charging. Ultimately whether that applies to you depends on your use case. If you do plan on using it for long trips, or live in extreme weather climates, then something like a Tesla 3 might be better with its actively cooled battery. OTOH, if you use it as a commuter car, mostly use regular charging at home (level 1 or level 2), and live in relatively temperate climate, it might not matter at all.
Check you local prices. The MSRP is the same as the Model 3, however, there's no haggling to be had with Tesla, and their $7500 federal tax credit has already ran out. However, due to slow sales, you might be able to get a Leaf for 5000 off MSRP, and then add the federal tax credit on top of that, and the Leaf may cost more than 10K USD cheaper than a Model 3. In that scenario, I'd probably go for the Leaf.
I thought I would comment on this vid having recently ordered a 40kwh Leaf with a huge discount. Nothing else came close in price and should save me around £50 a month over my wheezy petrol car... Now a stepping stone for buyers to get into EV. Even the MGZS couldn't come close in terms of monthly price...
Have Nissan relented?
Unfortunately I have to agree. This is old style bad value Nissan again.
Hey. I had the 62kwh foe 6months now. We bought it because of the biggest booth of the conpact class. And 3 screws and a socet and the the subwoofer is out. Its more than good enough for daily use.
still no thermal battery management.
All the issues Nissan have there, they have in Australia..... They are absolute rubbish!
Stay clear of Nissan!
When a car company is owned by the french, expect it to be shite. Nissan has.t been good since it was 100% Japanese.
Absolutely agree with you 100% being a 2018 leaf owner I’d me crazy to even consider the e-plus as my next car. Imagine paying luxury car tax for the e-plus?? That’s laughable
australia 84,000 km leaf...battery dead! $33,000 aus to replace battery...car is worth about $12k...Buy one..I dare you!
Its mad how Nissan are being run, the old new Micra was an expensive joke, they axed the note which is a fantastic car and the qashqui/ new Micra are just rebadged Renaults for twice the price... I blame the French 😆
"Lazy facelift" that's the Nissan way, their whole lineup is a decade old
yes and before that, nothing at all, one presumes
Nissan Last 10years make crap sorry but painful truth. If not Renault Nissan will be dead.
I like the Nissan qashqai
@Tristan Trotman All vehicle refreshes are updated as is the Nissan Leaf Plus. Is it perfect, no. Does it have a bigger battery and more horsepower, yes. Does the Nissan Leaf Plus compete with almost all pure electric vehicles on the market, yes. No quality problems whatsoever.
Excuse me, but if any car company made a perfect vehicle there would never be any improvements. Tell me if I'm wrong. Please be specific because I am not Jay Leno but almost as acknowledged. I subscibe to 4 automobile magazines. Well, maybe not. I love Jay Leno by the way.
Yet to find a positive review of the e+
As a fellow leaf owner (lease) I feel exactly the same sense of let-down. My 40kw is great for now, but no way would I “upgrade” to this.
After your experience with the ambassador scheme, I'm surprised you are dealing with Nissan at all!
Thing that kills it for me is no CCS socket.
Not a problem for me. Where I live, we have no CCS chargers.
I have the a 2022 40kwh leaf Tekna, great car for what I paid, £19k with 7500 mileS on it. I bought and sold a Tesla model 3 earlier this year. Wasn’t worth the 42k I paid IMO. The leaf drives better in terms of comfort, and is a much better build quality. I have a friend who have been using a 40kwh leaf for 4 years as a UBER taxi. It’s done over 180,000 miles with no issues or repairs needed. Not even brake pads
Also the price is double that of a N series I30 warm hatch.
They are a great second hand buy. Increasing number of non franchised businesses able to upgrade and repair. Reliability is good compared to the new kids on the block. I don’t get hung up on similarities with the older model. It may be the perfect go to car for first time EV drivers.
yep. the used Leaf price has dropped like a bomb and they're still far more reliable than any EV on the market. I want a nice car thats nice to drive and won't let me down. Thats what the Leaf is.
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No thermal battery management and for all that money!
Adding every possible optional accessory onto it is completely disengenious.
The e+ is Tekna spec already and has almost everything you could possibly want. The only actual functional extra over the base-price of £37k is the ProPilot parking assist for £1099.
So £38k. In fact the actual "maybe" price you whimsied about.
All those accessories are mostly tat that nobody actually buys with their car, and are almost all entirely cosmetic.
So don't bullshit about it being a £43k car. It's not. And no one is paying anywhere near that much for one.
Completely agree!! Here in USA is priced similarly and the Leaf plus S is more expensive than Tesla Model 3 standard range. Also no battery cooling is big disadvantage and that 100kW CHAdeMO is a joke as in USA believe or not there is no 100kW CHAdeMO chargers. Then even on 50kW charger this car will rapitgate and pretty much diminish the idea of fast charging.
I struggle to understand why anyone would use built-in satnav , I just use my phone.
If you're caught using your phone whilst driving, in Britain and in some other countries, you can be fined and receive points on your license. An in-car satnav circumvents that problem.
@@RWBHere I understand that but at what point does it become a phone? The device is not just a phone but also a GPS and media centre for music and radio (internet radio).. I keep mine in a holder in the CD player. Perhaps laws are too loosely defined. If a person drives while holding their phone they are just asking for trouble, regardless of any laws.
Apple Carplay........
Currently in UK You can get new Nissan Leaf 160kW 62kWh Auto e+ N- Connecta just under £27K which is very good price IMHO. KIA E Niro 2 now is around £33K.
You say it as it is, I like that. Your review is to the point and honest, and there is nothing to refute. Keep up the good work.
I don't agree, I own one and as a used purchase and a range I need to only charge from home makes this a great car at less than £20,000 with only 4000 miles on the clock you can't go wrong.
So with the extra weight of the battery did they upgrade the suspension, anticipating the extra weight distribution from the battery
Model 3 costs the same on finance as this, as this depreciates more as a %.
£6k down £400 a month. Model 3 ftw!
Model 3 will have so many issues lmao you'll pay the list price on repairs xD even less reliable than a nissan
Maybe they are just targetting new drivers rather then long standing EV owners. If it ain't broke don't fix it seems the be their mantra.
Then double the cost!
No, even if it is broke don't fix it...
This blagging people with words like ‘new model’ seems to be the way now as manufacturers concentrate on profit and sod it’s customers. Lame job, Nissan - not the company it used to be
I think.nissan is now owned by Peugeot or renault, hence the crap build quality.
Sorry, but they dropped the ball on the first one. It's an overpriced shitbox that shouldn't be allowed on sale. Gimme a petrol engine car any day and it'll run for 30 years plus before degrading to the extent one of these turds crap themselves along a highway
Yeah there are many 30 year cars with original engines around!
We need simple evs that work... If you need semi-autonomous driving, please get off the road... *General statement
Samus Aran7 well I don’t need autopilot don’t me I don’t want it, and with cars want had way more to do with it than need
Elliott's Lab Thats nice to hear. Its just unnecessary costs that add up when buying the vehicle at the end of the day.
Spot on - We were so disappointed with this new Leaf - so we are keeping our 30kW 2017 Leaf which is our 2nd one and has been awesome.
Congratulations! You're the king of environmentalists: Buying a car every year is highly ecological! But you guys are all the same phoneys!
Juri Vlk means another cheaper EV for the second hand market, so that’s a good thing.
@@Nobody_Famous Most stupid quote ever!
Only a chump buys new, buy it in 3 years for 50% of the price.