Suspect charged in Kansas moms killings says he's 'sorry for their loss' | Vargas Reports
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- Опубликовано: 30 апр 2024
- Paul Grice, a man who was arrested in connection to the killings of two Kansas moms who went missing in March, appeared in court Wednesday. On his way in, he told NewsNation's Brian Entin that he was "sorry for their loss," after being asked what he would say to the families of the women. Entin joins "Elizabeth Vargas Reports" with the latest details from the case as more evidence comes to light.
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5 people against two unarmed women, cowards
Elizabeth please don't mistake whose children they are. They are Veronica's
These reporters at News Nation always mess up who is who in this case.
There's no excuse for such errors at this point because they've been covering the case for weeks and weeks now.
@@msr1116 exactly, making these mistakes makes it seem like they really have no interest in this case, they’re just going through the motions.
And Jullian had 4 children!!
Again, you said Kelley’s two children; the custody dispute was over Veronica’s two children. Report the facts correctly.
That’s not “facts” those are names….. well, excuse me🤷🏽♀️🤦🏻♂️🤷
What we've been watching for weeks in media is known as 'vamping': they're still trying to tell the dramatic and tragic Missing Kansas Moms story, and that story is already ancient history. The real story now, that these people don't have the first clue how to cover, is about the DA's office and the casework that has fallen on the heads of a crew of professional plea bargainers in a small-town plea-bargain factory which is designed mostly to avoid ever bringing any case before a jury.
Twenty-five felony counts, five identical charge sheets on five defendants, doesn't even resemble any prior casework Buddy Leach's team has ever been faced with, and their usual procedure of proffering plea deals to secure lesser-charge Guilty pleas is simply unavailable to them.
AND, not all of this seemingly slam-dunk evidence they have is as solid as it looks: a lot of procedural and Bill of Rights errors seem to have been made by the investigators, while the entire case they handed Buddy Leach to try before juries is based on the paraphrased testimony of a minor who gave up her own mom and stepdad to escape being investigated herself about her own role in a conspiracy she was right in the middle of for months.
Defense lawyers love that kind of high-profile cases, as meanwhile Buddy Leach has hardly ever had to face one in court.
@@ISONC2012 uhhh what? My comment is at the News Nation lady who repeatedly reports the women were headed to pick up Kelley’s children. That’s a crucial part of this case. If they can’t report it correctly, they shouldn’t report it at all. Not sure how I offended YOU so.
They're Veronica Butler's children, NOT Jilian Kelley's. You would think with News Nation covering this case for so long it should be etched in her mind by now.
He's only sorry he got caught!
He was sarcastic
Too late.😮
You would think these people would at least be sorry they murdered a woman who had nothing to do with this custody battle. Jilian was just a court appointed supervisor. Do they just write her off as collateral damage?
So he misses his children...Well I am sure Veronica and Jillian's children and family will miss those women for the rest of their days. I am so sick of this "oh he was a family man..."fine upstanding people". Fine upstanding people don't plan to kidnap and brutally murder two women
"Sorry for your loss", said with zero emotion. It meant nothing.
Elizabeth, Jilian Kelley has 4 children.. She was a wonderful mother. The custody dispute was over Veronica Butler's children. Please get you facts straight.
Newsnation would have to have some facts, to get them straight: I didn't find any here. Just a lot of ignorant middle-class cliches about flyover country based on everything they think they already know, which is zilch.
He doesn't sound sorry here. He sounds selfish and rude.
They were Butler’s children not Kelley’s.
Not Kelley's children! Journalism ought to be based on facts.
Imagine that. What, you mean news coverage isn't about telling us how we're supposed to feel? Huh.
Butlers children NOT Kelley’s.
Those weren’t good people that grandma manipulated into being bad. They just can’t hide what they really are anymore.
People were surprised they were charged, not that they did it.
Those mugshots show us exactly who they are. Ugh.
Deplorables
Those are Veronica Butler's children NOT Jilian Kelley
Insincere apology. I hope his wife divorces him and doesn’t allow the children to contact him. He put that kind of sentence on the two mother’s families.
If found guilty..😮
How that granny could get these people do this is a puzzle..😮
@@sandyfields678If? He admitted to being a part of the killings!
@@jennas17 Admission and confession are two entirely different things, and I've seen no pleas of Guilty, on twenty-five felony counts across five defendants. This is, after all, about the rule of law, not justice rendered by press release. Even confession by plea of Guilty is only as good as its being corroborated by the evidence: false and manipulative confessions are routine strategy in criminal defense. All the burden of proof is upon the State, no less so in the event of confession.
@@roncollins1046 in murder cases and most courtrooms until you have an attorney or waive your right to attorney some courts and judges automatically put in not guilty plea until an attorney is there to represent ..
Sorry Paul, but sorry doesn't cut it.
Said that very smuggly....he is sorry hee got caught....pulled in.
ONCE AGAIN, Veronica Butler is the mother of the children. Good Lord.
Praying for justice 🙏🏾
His tone of voice was clear. He’s not in the least bit sorry. Cold as ice. Yes, he’ll miss his own family for the rest of his life. Fool
True evil has no bounds.
This a sad and heartbreaking, and horrific murders. These two mothers never stood a chance against these five evil people. The brave 16yr old young lady brought these evil people down.
“I’m sorry for their loss” had an air of sarcasm. There was no hint of remorse in his “There. You happy now?” responses.
What is his remorse supposed to look like? I didn't see sarcasm.
Get the the information right it's not Kelly's kids it's Butler's kids
He misses his family? Imagine how the other families feel!
Why would they do this?? So sad and evil. Omg. May Jesus be with there families
You need to pay attention, try and keep up..
You keep saying that Kelly was killed because of the custody of her two kids! So misinformation!! NOT TRUE! Kelly was along to be a person to assist in the visitation of Veronica Butler’s two kids! Kelly had four children!!
The red flags to watch for in Newsnation's coverage are how often we hear prefaces such as 'we're told' or 'we have heard' or 'it would appear' or 'apparently' or 'now it seems as if'. These are counter-factual disclaimers, indicating that whatever source they might be trying to cite either doesn't exist at all beyond (at best) social-media posts of undetermined origin, or that the source would not be available to corroborate such claims on challenge. It's lazy, sloppy, emotive gossip these people are putting out, not journalism.
My gosh. You can’t get your facts straight. Don’t report if you don’t care enough to get it right
This grandma reminds me of the grandma and son down in Florida who had the son in-law killed. The dentist has been sent to prison.
Why do they let Cullum talk on the phone making business deals, in jail. This is ridiculous.
He's probably selling everything he has to get attorney and cause he won't be able to use anything locked up for rest of his life
Exactly agree with you. As I stated in another chat response. Their status and wealth allowed them to do whatever they wanted because those involved benefited from as well. I smell corruption. Tiffany Adams has ties to the GOP says a lot.
Inmates are allowed to use the phone. Do be so ignorant.
I doubt the veracity of this claim: I know that sheriff in person, and I've been in that jailhouse. They have very tight procedures and they stick to them. What I wonder is what's the original source of this 'story'. Why everyone believes it on face value is easy: because they want to, it's fun.
@@roncollins1046 I hope that's the case. Thank you for sharing your response.
Paul is the only one who looks sad in his mugshot. The others look arrogant and like they didn't do anything.
Full mental break from reality. You can’t make those last names up.
Weird😮.
No break... They were conscious and aware. Sounds like they felt Veronica shared blame for the children being abused and they were determined to keep them away from her. Even if they go to prison for it.
Awe, he’s sorry for their loss…how rich!!!
And this is the upstanding member of the community who felt she was the better candidate as guardian of her grandchildren, and others supported her. Why did they not contact law enforcement and expose her? I can't understand that people that believe in God can allow this to happen and participate.
These people did not believe in God. This act / behavior was not by any means and act of God and we should not be repeating these people craziness. This country is normalizing these bad people's behaviors. This was a horrible and violent act. Veronica and Julian suffered.
How was the community supposed to know of her evil plot? Grow up for crying out loud. You are blaming the entire community.
@ChelseaBrown-fz1mj it is not being "normalized." There are so many drama queens on here.
@@JK-lp6uw i was not accusing the community. I know that they are not responsible. There were 4 or more co defendants charged however, who at any time could have contacted the law officers. If Mr Grice had doubts, why did he not contact someone? For his silence he has contributed to the deaths of two innocent women, and completely destroyed his own family and lifestyle. I doubt he still thinks it was worth it.
Crazy grandma.
The Missing Kansas Moms story is already ancient history, not to Veronica's and JIllian's families and loved ones who will live with its outcomes from now on, but as a news story. The story now is of a potentially-overwhelmed small-town team of prosecutors in Guymon at the Texas County Courthouse, twenty miles from my home, not in Kansas but in Oklahoma, who have never seen a case of this magnitude or this high a profile in their entire careers.
To try, and convict, all five defendants, on five identical felony counts apiece, is nowhere near as straightforward nor as foregone a conclusion as it would appear, and legal proceedings have barely even begun.
Presumption of innocence versus prosecutorial burden of proof, and volumes of in stare decisis case law directly relevant to the evidence and the procedures deployed in gathering it, still await adjudication, by an experienced judge from outside the region who does not seem to be the type to play the hangin-judge just because of public pressures. I've faced this judge myself, and he is no amateur.
I know this sheriff in person, and for all his beliefs about being a Constitutional Sheriff, he was not always in command of the investigative procedures undertaken by two States' agencies, several counties' apiece, the OSBI nor the FBI. Any or all of them still have to account for their procedures, as summoned witnesses questioned by both sides before a judge and probably multiple juries in separate trials.
Where's anyone gonna find the jurors, the impartial ones accepted by both sides in empanelment proceedings, prior to trials? Do the math: separate trials means twelve jurors plus two alternates apiece, times five. What seventy souls will both sides agree to seat to hear their arguments? Defense doesn't have to prove anything, prosecution has to prove EVERYTHING.
Nothing straightforward about any of that.
If these prosecutors, who rarely ever have to face a jury at all and prefer to plead out defendants on lesser charges day in and day out, make enough mistakes in their lawyering, qualified and prepared defense counsel could force all these counts into hung juries, mistrials, and even acquittals after most of the evidence had been ruled inadmissible on 4th, 5th, 6th and 14th Amendment grounds.
Buddy Leach and his team down at the courthouse know this. They're lawyers. They know their case may come to rely mostly on 'Nix v Williams' findings by the US Supreme Court forty years ago, to explain away all the legal errors made by the investigators, one after another, and this judge might not buy those arguments. They're sweating bullets right now hoping to be prepared for trial work they've never had any real experience with.
This is far from over, and the media, still prolonging the agony of the wrong story to cover (the easy one), has no clue how far. Reporters are NOT lawyers, and the story now is legal casework that could go wrong in any number of ways. The sources they need to be seeking now are in law libraries, not small-town streets looking for react-quotes.
Yes, you are correct but remember the first one to the well gets the biggest drink and collaborating confessions between two will most likely make the ship sink. Ben Franklin said three can keep a secret if two are dead. I would hate to be in any one of those fives' shoes wondering who was going to run for the well. All in all it sounds like you should become a lawyer instead of your current profession because Lord knows they need some good ones there in Texas Co.! I myself have no inkling or idea of what evidence the prosecutor has or has not nor any other evidence being gathered by the professional LE assigned to the investigation.
@@ThreePercentRider All good points, but since this case is being adjudicated twenty miles from my house and I know many of the officials in person, and have done business in that courthouse for years, I don't see how DA Buddy Leach really has the option to do plea deals with any defendant on any count here. The problem being that before this case, writing plea bargains has for years been how that DA's office settles most of its cases. These are not trial lawyers to begin with, but as the Viking said to the Arab in The Thirteenth Warrior, 'don't worry, very soon, you will be.'
@@roncollins1046 I have a strange feeling that there will be a change of venue along with special prosecutor taking over because of the high profile this case has generated. It's a sadistic and horrible crime that sickens me to the core. I am from the area where this all happened and none of these reporters have any idea who what or where they are calling us more or less hillbillies and such.
@@ThreePercentRider A lot of people right here in this neighborhood where this has happened are saying that, but for my part I have mixed feelings. On the one hand the change of venue would make perfect sense in terms of perhaps a larger pool of potential jurors, and an enhanced perception that more of them might be acceptable to both counsels. But on the other hand, when my neighbors say this I don't like how they say it; it sounds so much like the usual strategy for wishing away the inconvenient, to ignore it and hope it goes away. There's a lot of that in these parts.
My problem with this approach is that these suspects emerged from among us. They didn't come from far away to harm our country or take away jobs or impose some new order. They are our neighbors too, plotting and scheming for the most childish and idiotic reasons, to commit brazen crimes in broad daylight among us against others not unlike ourselves either, as if any of this might somehow be in the best interests of two small children.
The case on the whole might be boiled down to one of Rule of Law versus Vigilante Summary Justice, and if my community is allowed to wash our hands of it, at what point must we ask ourselves how these vigilantes were able to do such things in our very midst. Did they believe more of us have those values in common with them than we'd like to believe? In a State and region where the rule of law is so often and so routinely distorted into official vigilantism by the very system now faced with prosecuting these suspects, how do we know how to draw that firm line, between the rule of law and the law of rule?
If this case cannot be tried successfully right here, my gut says the community will never have to confront where that distinction is, and would carry right on flirting with vigilante rule under color of law the way Oklahoma has been run all along. We have an opportunity here, but I'm waiting to become convinced that my own neighborhood has the moral maturity to embrace it. Many doubts remain, and many long stories I could tell would show why.
@@roncollins1046 I understand where your going with the vigilante rule under color of law. No longer is it a rule of law but now more of a rule of money. I've seen it numerous times where the less monetary value you are the harder officials will hammer you while the wealthy just buy themselves off. I have a strong distrust of a lot of the LE in that whole area. There's one that if you look at his past was caught doing what he did, losing his credentials and coming back with more power in which my feelings about such is mind boggling. How this has managed to slide through the cracks tells me how distorted and corrupt the whole system has become. It has become the color of greed instead of law everywhere. I hope Leech and the LE can provide the undeniable burden of proof and all involved are found undeniably guilty. We can sit here and argue this all day when the fact of this is that it should have never happened to these women or children.
Will Tifany get the death penalty?
Duh, wait for trial genius.
@@JK-lp6uw shut up
Too late for sorry
Please do not mistake them for members of the Guymon Community or Texas County, they’re from Cimmaron county, glad they got caught before they got the evidence to Cimmaron county, they may have been able to get away with it
Elizabeth it was veronicas children, not Jilians…..
Give your kids as much love as you can, and this won't happen.
Yeah, all 5 sure look like leaders.
Yeah right, hes sorry cause he got caught
Tough.
Grandma is the “Mastermind” of the group?
Pathetic group, then.
4-H is a youth development organization/program for youth ages 8 to 18. Adults can’t be officers of a 4-H club…they could be officers of an adult group (or club) that SUPPORTS the 4-H program OR maybe when these adults were young they were an officer in their 4-H club. Sorry to get technical, but I just want to clarify.
You think that 4h is run and managed by children?
He was president
😂😂😂
grandma -- like Darlene from Ozark ...ugh.
Tell the information correctly!! Get your facts straight.
How dare he
What he said was cold and seemed kinda dismissive
Doesn't matter what he said, all the arm chair lawyers have him tried, convicted and fried.
@@JK-lp6uw he confessed why do you defend them ?
Wondering if those Twombly's are related in any way with Jame's (Jim) Twombly the recent former step in city manager of Aurora, Colorado ... ... ...???
...Anyone know ???
I know he is associated-affiliated (from Oklahoma he himself I do believe) with Oklahoma !!!
@@mrpaulweaver Moira McCabe who tried to go against Kevin Stitt was supposedly supported by the grandma and really looks like Cora. It’s spooky
The Cora Twombley's maiden name was Moore. Her first marriage was to a White.
That's all I know.
FACETIOUS thanks at end-
Great crime drama, but you yuppie tourists slumming it here in Flyover Country wouldn't know a fact if it hit you over your swelled heads. Lost in the prairie, surrounded by hicks, bless your ivy-covered little hearts.
You made several fundamental factual errors in the first minute: I know because I live here and I'm fact-checking these stories myself. Life on some other planet is what Newsnation's little gossip columns sound like from here in No Man's Land, my home, where everybody does NOT know everybody else, everybody is NOT related, and hardly anybody is particularly upset about the case.
Just hoping both DA Buddy Leach and the semi-foreign press get it right, the former being the far more likely, but still the big long shot in this case the yuppie-tourist media hasn't even noticed.
The man's not a trial prosecutor, he's a three-years-ago political appointee, son of a former DA in tight with the OKGOP, stuffed with pioneer-family fortune, and a professional plea bargainer in a recidivists' railroad station where trial by jury is what everyone on his crew works hardest to avoid.
But have these mike-shoving, emotion-seeking windbags from the press picked up the first clue just how shaky the prosecution's case really is?
Of course not: who needs facts, when react-quotes bait clicks SO much faster?
Plus all the yuppy comments!! I'm flabbergasted by how so many people cut down small communities. It proves their shallow minds .
Bond really?
Being leaders in the community, does anyone believe there were NOT in fact others who knew what was being planned? The daughter knew, there had to be other members of the community turning a blind eye at minimum. How about that judge that was forced out as an example of how far reaching this woman’s influence goes? IDK it feels hollow
If they were leaders in the community that doesn’t say much for the community. Who the hell would ever want to live there??
Takes a lot of nerve to make such an outrageous accusation! Shame on you! Don't be ignorant about the community. You Don't know squat about the community, only your bizarre fantasy of bs.
Sorry you got caught? You said sorry like you spilt milk at the dinner table.
He's Sorry??? Oh, well okay then. You're excused.
No one wants to talk about the reason for the custody dispute. How far would you go to keep kids from being molested
Has that been proven?
@@jomac8101 it’s known there was a family member molesting other kids and the mom wouldn’t believe it and didn’t stop the predator from being around the kids, hence the supervision for visits
Not a reason to kill someone! And one woman was an innocent bystander. Let's not try to justify this horrendous, sickly act!
Veronica not believing accusations of her brother molesting her children is considerably different from.... fully knowing sexual abuse was taking place, and allowing it to continue by doing nothing to prevent the abuser from any further contact with the children. Some people do in fact live in a very deep state of denial about what blood kin are capable of or actually do, especially when they don't witness it happening.
This is probably already known but what about the children’s father in the custody dispute. Why didn’t he have custody but grandma did.
Outsiders don’t understand the regional culture. Certain types of rural communities spawn an abnormally high incidence of sociopaths. They are well accepted. Southern Kansas is even worse I think.
Do you think it’s bc as children they entered agricultural competitions that consisted of things like slaughtering the cows they raised and stuff like that?
@@bambooprincess3495hmmm Interesting thought. 🤔🧐
@@bambooprincess3495 That doesn’t necessarily help! Individuals react differently to animal slaughter. They are told from the moment they pop out that they and their communities are irreproachable and that they are entitled to run roughshod over others.
Very ignorant statement
@@scottsmith5165 To what do you refer?
Your poor reporting says you could care less
you mean could not care less
Adams was Chairperson of the GOP, figures.
Figures what?
Female news anchor is mixing up the moms. Dispute was over Veronica Butler's two children, NOT Kelly's!
I know reporting is a knack and an art and you are always making it up as you go… but I found it offensive that she (Elizabeth)separated these individuals (who were murdered) by their gender and familial status. Why do people keep doing this!!!! Call these people out. A HUMAN IS A HUMAN. Every life is valuable. QUIT IT.
Here’s an idea….how about you cover every single crime that occurs. You give the details and updates as needed…you spend minimal but important time on each crime. Instead of delving into this crap that don’t matter and it’s JUDGE-MENTAL AND PURPOSELESS. “They were successful, they had money, they were educated…….blah blah blah……I despise this drama. I want clear facts….period…nothing else…good lord some of this stations are turning this stuff into reality TV!!!!!!
Future Farmers of America😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What's so funny?
No custody dispute! Nope!
Yes there was
I brt he sorry because he got caught
The son, and father of the children used the rehab as a cover so they wouldn't suspect him
Shut #p!