The Division 2 - Best Way to Expertise!

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  • The Division 2 Best Way to Expertise: Expertise can be confusing so in this video I keep it simple and explain how I do it! Join our Division Community: / discord
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    The Division 2 Expertise is a new feature that came in title update 15 on The Division 2. It is a new progression feature that enables you to get proficient in any item in the game before allowing you to upgrade that item for better stats. You have your own Expertise level too to consider and your items can only be upgraded as far as your level is. I have a couple of guides that explain this new feature that are linked below but in this video I am keeping it simple and explaining to you the best way to Expertise!
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  • @GCROCK
    @GCROCK  2 года назад +5

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  • @DRSKINGDAVID
    @DRSKINGDAVID 2 года назад +9

    You can also get proficient by using materials to level them up . Printer filament being the best in my opinion to use

  • @xboxlegend6789
    @xboxlegend6789 2 года назад +8

    Or say with gear just put 6 pieces of same brand set and same two guns there go up fast

  • @JohnD-weenerville
    @JohnD-weenerville 2 года назад +12

    This is on the known issues page, DO NOT use the Donate All Junk button.
    “Donate All Junk” button math is not working as intended giving less materials than individual item deletion.Will be fixed in TU15.1

    • @OpenWrldHeadHunter
      @OpenWrldHeadHunter 2 года назад +2

      Yeah man, I’m trying to tell people to not do it. It’s a pretty big waste of items/time.

    • @1div2agent74
      @1div2agent74 2 года назад +1

      Damn really? What a scam dude. That's how I do everything. Managed to get to level 5

    • @kevinh.a442
      @kevinh.a442 2 года назад

      Bro what?, i have donated over 500items already 😭, im at level 5

    • @wheellights5406
      @wheellights5406 2 года назад +1

      Im sorry I disagree. I tried this method for 2 days and got no where. When you donate all junk you get nothing for items that are not exotic or named. With exception of many pistols for some reason. You are deconstructing items and basically getting nothing. When you're going need materials to upgrade any item to its next proficiency level. They don't magically level up it costs lots of materials to level 1 item 1 level. I started farming pistols and get about 50 in countdown. You get an expertise of 1 for every 2. So that's 25 per run. Also why are you concerned about being proficient in 100s of items your never going use. Rethink this strategy. Get proficient in all your favorite load outs you actually use. Really bad advice

    • @wheellights5406
      @wheellights5406 2 года назад

      Agreed and confirmed the hard way

  • @karremania
    @karremania 2 года назад +3

    I pretty much do the same, with a slight change is using my favorite weapons in the mix. That way they get slightly faster exp, untill they are 'maxed' and i start using another weapon. It somewhat gimp your build (like a AR build while running around with a SMG), but it just makes it a tad bit faster without doing much different.

  • @AGxAG
    @AGxAG 2 года назад +2

    Follow Soak Diskos video ,GC. Go to the Tombs in NY ,6 pieces of same gear,Jammer Pulse the 3 drones at the start of the mission and then run back out and restart. Youll get loads in about 3 minutes!

  • @williampalmer2265
    @williampalmer2265 2 года назад +1

    The other question, which I can't find the answer to is - does the world difficulty (heroic, for example) makes the level up process of expertise faster? Do you get more XP or any other pros? Or should I lower the game difficulty to normal to level up expertise easier?

  • @digitaldogs233
    @digitaldogs233 2 года назад +1

    This is what i do, just pick up everything and donate it to expertise. I'm only at 1 at the moment, been hard sitting at desk due to ripping my tendons so healing up. But i get on once the pain killers have kicked in, but still abit uncomfortable. Talk about wrong timing lol. Any way good vid, and glad i know what I'm doing is helping my expertise

  • @corbinkenworthy990
    @corbinkenworthy990 2 года назад +2

    That donate all junk option definitely helps out I did not even notice that. Thanks for help and nice video

  • @Rabbit-vv8ng
    @Rabbit-vv8ng 2 года назад +4

    Levelling up the expertise system is easy, play the game, try and play with different builds, enjoy the game and remember it's a marathon not a race, is wasn't supposed to be something you can max in a couple of hours .
    Or farm different gearsets at a time in Countdown choose one donate it all then start another.🐇🐰

    • @dh1380
      @dh1380 2 года назад +1

      Not gonna lie this is my preferred approach

    • @wheellights5406
      @wheellights5406 2 года назад +1

      that works great until you have blown throw and made every gearset proficient and are level 15. and all non named guns. then what farm named guns that only drop in DZ and not in countdown? I have gotten to the level where nothing will drop in countdown that will increase profiecentcy. only leveling up every named gun, skill and exotic now is the only way

    • @Rabbit-vv8ng
      @Rabbit-vv8ng 2 года назад +1

      @@wheellights5406 well enjoy, I saw that coming as soon as Massive introduced the New Grind as content. I did say in a comment, What happens when everyone gets maxed and the grind as content is done then what. We all wanted new content, Not a new grind of old content, but Massive never listen do they.
      You could always drop the game and play something new and just wait for Division 3.

    • @wheellights5406
      @wheellights5406 2 года назад +1

      @@Rabbit-vv8ng I have not heard a single word about a "division 3" you mean heartlands???

    • @Rabbit-vv8ng
      @Rabbit-vv8ng 2 года назад

      @@wheellights5406 lol neither have I but I suppose there will be one, think Ubisoft Massive would be daft to drop a popular franchise, or they might just mess it up like , they did Ghost Recon, Asasins creed and other . But here's hoping. Don't know to much about Heartland cant really comment yet.

  • @shelbytimbrook2095
    @shelbytimbrook2095 2 года назад +1

    I've noticed a trend that the casuals are seeing the people who rush things and thinking "My god I'll never have that level or resources this system is broken" and like, you aren't meant to complete these upgrades anytime soon. It's an end-game resource sink because without it resources are worthless if you've optimized your gear and have what you want.
    Glad to see the RUclipsrs are finally explaining this. I don't put a huge amount of weight on what RUclipsrs do, but I've noticed a lot of people see what you guys do as the only way to play lmao.

  • @OpenWrldHeadHunter
    @OpenWrldHeadHunter 2 года назад +4

    Donate all function is bugged at the moment. You can do exactly what you’re doing, just donate each item individually. You get much more xp.
    Edit: I would honesty maybe remake the video or something because recommending people to donate all is going to leave them disappointed.

    • @dh1380
      @dh1380 2 года назад

      That explains alot

    • @davestationuk7374
      @davestationuk7374 2 года назад

      @@nemesis2264 mark your gear as junk at the vendor 1st , then go to donate all junk at station

    • @richhunt2190
      @richhunt2190 2 года назад +1

      @@nemesis2264 Donate All works for me. I can see for e.g. 74/200 changed to like 76/200 inside that expertise circle. I know there are some materials won't count towards that donation because sometimes I can deconstruct junk afterwards but it's ok, I need those resources from deconstructing for use to upgrade later anyways.

    • @OpenWrldHeadHunter
      @OpenWrldHeadHunter 2 года назад

      @@richhunt2190 yes, donating all “works”. Yes it will donate all your junk, but that’s not the bug. You are getting way less xp donating all than just donating the items individually. Trust me, it’s bugged. Once I started to not pick up items as junk and just start picking them up and donating my expertise levels started going up by a lot. I haven’t even been playing much and I’m at expertise lvl 12.

    • @richhunt2190
      @richhunt2190 2 года назад

      @@OpenWrldHeadHunter In my inventory I have 3 pieces of the same chest piece. I donated 2 of them, one where I marked as junk & then I Donate All Junk. On the Proficiency Rank for this chest piece I gained 8800 points towards my Rank Progress. I then donated the other one individually, I gained also 8800 points. So there's no difference in terms of points whether you Donate All Junk or Individually. So how is expertise level go up by a lot if you donate individually? Am I missing something here?

  • @dh1380
    @dh1380 2 года назад +2

    How do you donate? Whenever I hit donate all nothing happens

    • @SeagullsGather
      @SeagullsGather 2 года назад

      it donates everything in your inventory that is marked as junk. You don't get a message saying it has done it. Each item donated puts about 8k proficiency xp into the proficiency rank for that type of gear so, for example, about 10 items fenris pieces will put you to proficiency 1 for fenris.

    • @dh1380
      @dh1380 2 года назад

      @@SeagullsGather just seen in another comment it is bugged. Thanks anyway!

    • @OpenWrldHeadHunter
      @OpenWrldHeadHunter 2 года назад

      @@dh1380 well it is “working” you are donating and you are getting xp it’s just a fraction of what you’re supposed to be getting.

  • @davestationuk7374
    @davestationuk7374 2 года назад +2

    Unless they plan on a legendary world state level then all this is just a numb grind in the background , enemy scaling hasn’t increased to compensate

    • @mmmyeah7
      @mmmyeah7 2 года назад

      Agreed

    • @texasrocks8428
      @texasrocks8428 2 года назад +1

      If enemies were scaled along with us, then it’s even a bigger pointless waste of time. Why not just stay where we were?

    • @mmmyeah7
      @mmmyeah7 2 года назад

      Because for people who have been playing for 2-3 years the difficulty is easy I've done about 400 legendaries the same 3 and it's got Soo stale heroic is not even a test.

    • @texasrocks8428
      @texasrocks8428 2 года назад +1

      @@mmmyeah7 So what’s the point of this obnoxious grind, if everything remains the same? If we get stronger, and NPCS get stronger along with us, then it’s all for nothing. Just a pointless grind so things can remain the same.

    • @mmmyeah7
      @mmmyeah7 2 года назад

      @@texasrocks8428 the point is making the option of all missions legendary or open world an option ? You don't have to select it but for day 1 players it has been wanted for a year or more there's missions I've not played for ages and classified assignments etc that could do with the higher difficulty damn even in good 4 man teams legendary is easy sometimes not even joking 👍

  • @stowawaybanjo
    @stowawaybanjo 2 года назад +2

    If you care about the expertise system, equip 6 of each gear set or 3/3, and join countdown. Set your loot to the next gear set you’re looking level up.

    • @wheellights5406
      @wheellights5406 2 года назад

      to late every gearset in game is proficient. now at level 15. now whats your suggestion???

  • @orphncriplr
    @orphncriplr 2 года назад +5

    Doing the same thing: leveling organically. Im not concerned about max-leveling all my gear as fast as possible. Enjoying the journey!

  • @mack7963
    @mack7963 2 года назад

    Something to bear in mind with the donate all junk is it won't accept any purple items nor will it accept anything that has any proficiency on it already.

  • @shanky.y
    @shanky.y 2 года назад +2

    im at Expertise - 15 , the new gamemode is perfect for target loot but my mane way (coz im lvl 6k shd) to lvl up stuff is, running new characters the NY story then use the watch points to buy stuff with money . 70 to 100 watch points to buy gear to max. and 16 to 30 watch points to buy weapons to max. (around all vendors in the game)
    if u use the points on the watch for printer filaments its gonna take 300 points to lvl up something to the max...

    • @sealion_t_v
      @sealion_t_v 2 года назад +1

      Did same watch is about 7k 👍 iam exp 16 right now I do maybe 1 new. Again than iam done with all

    • @shanky.y
      @shanky.y 2 года назад +2

      @@sealion_t_v ye I'm at 17 close to 18, and by this point I say, - no need to go to fast to 20 specially that we need so many exotic parts to upgrade anything, by the time u have them u gonna be there just by playing normally.

    • @wheellights5406
      @wheellights5406 2 года назад

      even if its faster did you do the math on the cost of the weapon versus the cost of a skill mod to break down for 6 printer filament. plus the vendors dont' have any guns or gear for sale that I dont already have done

    • @shanky.y
      @shanky.y 2 года назад

      @@wheellights5406 true, if u buy the mods and brake you will get more off of them...
      but im lazy and its to much time to buy them.
      i got to the max lvl 20 like 2 days after this comment just buy running NY and spending all points on the printer filaments and lvl up stuff that way... again its only worth doing if u very high lvl, coz if u low lvl you will need to do NY many many manyyy times over and over...
      i want to say that in total i did NY 10 to 15 times. and spent 50k to 70k watch points... it was fun 😅

    • @wheellights5406
      @wheellights5406 2 года назад +1

      @@shanky.y you gotta be playing like 12 hrs a day or maybe I wasted my time. I only did 2 new watches and 4000 a piece. and they go damn quick. 4000 only get you maybe 2 levels if your lucky.

  • @texasrocks8428
    @texasrocks8428 2 года назад +12

    Just because people don’t like the system, doesn’t mean they don’t understand it.
    I just spent 5000 watch points leveling up skills and exotics that I will never use. It took hours, and what did those boring hours of holding X get me? All the way from expertise level 5, to level 6. Lol. This system is crap and doesn’t make sense.
    It doesn’t make sense because, in the same update that Ubisoft puts out a new game mode they claim to be geared toward the casual player, they introduce this expertise system that the casual player will never, ever get anything out of.
    This is a mind numbing load of tedious bullsh*t, and I just wish RUclipsrs would stop acting like Ubisoft Reps and be honest about it.

    • @cheesyblend
      @cheesyblend 2 года назад +3

      Perfectly explained 👏👏👏

    • @wheellights5406
      @wheellights5406 2 года назад

      agreed

    • @tonyphills6075
      @tonyphills6075 2 года назад +1

      Love this comment because it's so real. Especially for the OG div players we want new content, different game modes (like survival mode of div 1)pvp, and a reason to keep coming back, if not just let this game die and bring us something new and huge

  • @Curt_The_Gamer
    @Curt_The_Gamer 2 года назад

    Awesome G. I think Countdown is prob the best and quickest way to get the gear to do it. Done 5 games and had so much gear it went up really quickly.
    Thanks for the video bro 😎

  • @amelvin32
    @amelvin32 2 года назад

    What actually increases your Expertise level? Gameplay or donating junk? Because when I donate junk, my expertise numbers (like the 39/200) don't change at all.

  • @happalula
    @happalula 2 года назад +1

    any hard facts about the maximum level of expertise?
    people keep saying its lvl 20, but i cant really find it in the patch notes so far.... plus i have seen proof of people being a higher expertise rank (up to 30) and those people didnt donate items, they grinded them out cause that way you earn 2 proficiency-exp instead of 1 proficiency-exp for every proficiency-levelup.....
    any infos about that by chance?^^

  • @marcusdiddle
    @marcusdiddle Год назад

    Thanks for this, it cleared some things up for me. But doesn't this require near-constant trips back to the White House to "dump" all your junk into Expertise as you fill up your inventory? Is there a better way to go about it?

    • @GCROCK
      @GCROCK  Год назад +1

      No problem, no unfortunately not. You must go to the station to donate to expertise

  • @cocobrotha197
    @cocobrotha197 2 года назад +1

    This way will take forever. It's best to wear 6 pieces of gearset. After 2 runs of countdown it's already proficient.

  • @Daeys2411
    @Daeys2411 2 года назад

    What I do first is when you have junk loot go too your recalibration library (on the right side’)first for your flatline talent ! And other upgrades. Than donate junk too expertise! (By pressing X button) and after focus on gear you want too upgrade .ps you can choose your loot that you want too farm ! Like the summit ! Ok agents go farm ….

  • @cjbunker8889
    @cjbunker8889 Год назад

    is my expertise table broken or glitched cause when i click on donate junk the button just circles like its working but nothing happens and the crap i marked as junk just stays in my inventory....am i doing something wrong?...is there another way to level up expertise other than donating?....dont tell me grinding cause i been grinding for months and im stuck at level 1 expertise.....help please lol

  • @williestory4879
    @williestory4879 Год назад

    "Donate all junk" option doesn't work for me. Any suggestions?

  • @Junior_39
    @Junior_39 Год назад

    Donating junk doesn't work at all. I have selected items for junk in my inventory and then tried to donate and when I went back to my inventory the items I selected as junk was still there. And the stuff a player has to do to get an exotic is bullshit, everything requires increasing difficulty. Not every player is a try-hard.

  • @NongIng
    @NongIng 2 года назад

    I just go to that skyscraper, set it to normal (with lot of directives to get some decent XP) and go ham

  • @KYALESPAUL
    @KYALESPAUL Год назад

    Good simple explanation. Thanks and this is exactly what I've been doing!

  • @Mickeystyles1
    @Mickeystyles1 8 месяцев назад

    I must have a glitch cause when I donate junk the items remain there.

  • @maarek71
    @maarek71 2 года назад

    The donate all junk button doesn't work on playstation. It doesn't do anything. I can go to my inventory and it's all still there.

  • @benisapp155
    @benisapp155 2 года назад

    You're a saint. Thanks mate. Just hit Prof Level 2.

  • @OGNarsty
    @OGNarsty 2 года назад

    GC I need help sir. Do you have any optimal builds for the new exotic weapons?

  • @noelveigacoutinho
    @noelveigacoutinho 2 года назад

    What confuses me with the Expertise system is the cap that we get which apparently depends on how you increase your proficiency rank. Supposedly if you donate junk/ gear of the same class etc , you reach a cap which is level 20. So you can be proficient in every thing and your cap will be expertise level 20 BUT I have seen expertise level 24 ,25 and even 30 and the character doesn't even have everything proficient and apparently it was attained via ranking up through proficiency solely through XP from game play. I assume this may me a bug in the system because it wouldn't be fair to someone who is maxed out at 20 Vs someone at level 30. That's like 10% more weapon damage and armor. But if it isn't a bug could you shed some light on this. Cheers!

    • @wheellights5406
      @wheellights5406 2 года назад

      You Expertise level up 0. by game play bro. unless you have non profiecient gear on.

    • @santtosharya
      @santtosharya Год назад

      Yeah, I've heard the same...so i stopped donating after level 7. And no content creator seems to know the answer either. They just copy other content creators to make their own videos. I've seen players with 23 and they cheekily say donate. But we all know donating only takes you till level 20 (I guess in some season update it was pushed till 21 then 22 and now till 23). TBH, I haven't seen any players yet above 23. I hope GCR can check and confirm the real deal about proficiency and expertise. Thank you and enjoy the game. 😊

    • @santtosharya
      @santtosharya Год назад

      And yeah, increase proficiency by equipping different weapons and gear sets till you get proficient in it before switching to the next weapon/gearset. Basically the game wants you to try all the weapons and gearsets and not get comfortable in one favourite build. But I don't understand if there are a set(fixed) number of weapons and gearsets then why would there be a difference in the highest proficiency cap whether I level up by either doing it organically (as described above) or by donating the same number of items.

  • @ludwigsabor1
    @ludwigsabor1 2 года назад

    Love your content mate! Keep ‘em coming!

  • @ralphzimmermann
    @ralphzimmermann 2 года назад

    whats the maximum level you can get your gear too?

  • @patriciopatricio6486
    @patriciopatricio6486 2 года назад

    Omg. I've been playing wrong the entire time. I've been deconstructing everything I loot

  • @ace-gc5xm
    @ace-gc5xm 2 года назад

    I haven't done countdown yet..do you need to find a group or do you just go in and you will be in a group?

    • @GCROCK
      @GCROCK  2 года назад

      You can just matchmake

  • @darksidedsoonnelson2522
    @darksidedsoonnelson2522 2 года назад

    Am running 6 piece brand set am lvl 5 as of now

  • @fsanchez8080
    @fsanchez8080 Год назад

    My expertise won't let me donate junk, can't get over lvl7 😔

  • @billwargo136
    @billwargo136 2 года назад

    Add double check the library

  • @jakewes6642
    @jakewes6642 Год назад

    I hit the donate all and nothing happens.

  • @thekingdluffy6959
    @thekingdluffy6959 2 года назад

    what is the expertiz level max cap ?

  • @NoOne-xk3lg
    @NoOne-xk3lg Год назад

    Today I learned that in ancient times, the Kingbreaker was a Black Market AK instead of a TKB.

  • @HD7970
    @HD7970 2 года назад

    I did the countdown mode and i found it fairly easy. I think its just because i run an op hunters fury build and i was dropping them before they even made it out the doors.

  • @PhoenixFennRose
    @PhoenixFennRose 2 года назад

    Thanks!

  • @1991marz
    @1991marz 2 года назад

    Thank u sir

  • @MWcandyMarie
    @MWcandyMarie Год назад

    It won’t let me donate my junk

  • @Embreh89
    @Embreh89 2 года назад

    dont donate materials or junk or items at this vendor. wear the item, play the game. by donting you only get 1 expertise point for the levelup. BUT, leveling up the expertise level by playing gives you 2 expertise points! so by donating any kind of stuff youre ruining your maximum expertise level.

  • @wheellights5406
    @wheellights5406 2 года назад

    OK guy's, sorry about the rant. I was incorrect to a certain degree. i am now farming all gearsets from countdown. once I get 6 pieces i go to Federal emergency bunker kill first wave of enemies and then kill myself. I have leveled up every green gearset and almost every brand set. and about 1/2 of the weapons. all proficient. I am still only at level 12. I also created a 4th character and got 4000 watch points. 1000 of these points barely got me up 1 level. this is just a serious grind no matter what you do. if you do have a high watch dont buy printer filliment doing the math you get more by buying a mod from the vendor and breaking it down thats what I did. just pressing the X button 1,000 times and the deconstrucking can get old.

    • @benjamingreen6564
      @benjamingreen6564 2 года назад +1

      It's a marathon not a sprint, what's the obsession with trying to max rank everything so quickly?

    • @wheellights5406
      @wheellights5406 2 года назад

      @@benjamingreen6564 because people are obviously exploiting in Conflict I've seen 20 level expertise. which means practically every single piece in game is proficient. they are grinding more than 8 hrs a day 7 days a week??? i don't think so. they are exploiting. and its a big deal because its a huge advantage in PVP.

  • @martijnnuijs3639
    @martijnnuijs3639 2 года назад

    so, ok... "only level 4" you say... I'm grinding my ass off and can't even get to level 2. "donate junk" doesn't even work all the time. fe, playing the game how I'm used to, picking up stuff as junk, trying to donate let's say the 20 items junk picked up and it donates only 2 or 3 or none at all. appreciate the vids brother but for some reason like I said I can't even reach expertise level 2...

    • @GCROCK
      @GCROCK  2 года назад +1

      Something I learned last night was to target weapons! For example, I played countdown and targetted rifles. I went up a good chunk with so many rifles being donated. There are a lot of weapons so targetting them and getting more of them done will mean faster Expertise rise.

    • @martijnnuijs3639
      @martijnnuijs3639 2 года назад

      @@GCROCK understand, however sometimes donating doesn't seem to be working and/or doing very much. Another question/remark... You say just play the game as you're used to. Fe I basically play my skill build using 3 empress and 2 hana u pieces... Both 3 empress and the 2 Hana u pieces are proficient and level 1 (cause I can't seem to be able to reach level 2 and op)... How do I up these items then? Cause donating empress and/or hana u doesn't work

    • @wheellights5406
      @wheellights5406 2 года назад +1

      just check your inventory if the item is not proficient to to the specific item and donate it. if its proficient its only worth breaking down for materials of selling to buy mods to break down for printer filament

    • @martijnnuijs3639
      @martijnnuijs3639 2 года назад

      @@GCROCK have to say, even though I still don't entitely get the idea of the expertise system, been playing countdown with targeted loot put on rifle, picking up everything and donating and it works. Btw, think could be any weapon cause assault rifle and submachine guns also do the trick. Up to level 4 now. Thanx for that one GC!

  • @MrBigjahn
    @MrBigjahn 2 года назад +2

    This patch is bullshit. Just raising the cap for stats to make us grind and play the game. It's all relative in the end. Fk this game

    • @wheellights5406
      @wheellights5406 2 года назад

      agreed. how do yo push a major update and didn't add a single new exoctic smg or assault??????????????

  • @Nobody423
    @Nobody423 2 года назад +1

    theyll nerf the rng once everybody is playing again they always do , yannick is just a liar

  • @jakubheder7474
    @jakubheder7474 Год назад

    Noice

  • @wheellights5406
    @wheellights5406 2 года назад

    Im sorry I disagree. I tried this method for 2 days and got no where. When you donate all junk you get nothing for items that are not exotic or named. With exception of many pistols for some reason. You are deconstructing items and basically getting nothing. When you're going need materials to upgrade any item to its next proficiency level. They don't magically level up it costs lots of materials to level 1 item 1 level. I started farming pistols and get about 50 in countdown. You get an expertise of 1 for every 2. So that's 25 per run. Also why are you concerned about being proficient in 100s of items your never going use. Rethink this strategy. Get proficient in all your favorite load outs you actually use. Really bad advice

    • @BIayde
      @BIayde 2 года назад

      “Really bad advice” nah you just don’t get how this works