I have an FP700, went through 2 engines because of failed cats. Once at 5,304 and again at 12,047 miles. I have a dragy pull where i blew through the 105mph limiter up to 125mph. I notice that the limiter kicks in right at 100mph
@@aedtuning8441 who cares about codes, truck will adjust automatically, run better and won’t melt the cats Whipple tune is the only option until tuning is unlocked Limited is still better than no options🤷🏻♂️and faster than stock
The FORD Perf Whipple with the base tune that comes with it leaves the 103mph limiter in play. That's how Ford will honor the warranty. You pay Whipple for the updated tune to Stage 2 and the limiter is bumped to 135mph, BUT you void your power train warranty. It clearly states the stock speed limiter is in play on the Ford Perf page for the kit, but people don't see it. Get the stage 2 tune and a set of aftermarket cats like the SPD's and then she will rip. My AFR's are perfect with the SPD's and Whipple Stage 2 tune and MBRP catback.
I started looking at the whole FP700 deal and ended up buying a Gen 6 1r directly from them. It is allegedly a latest greatest edition with 795 hp and 135 mph limiter.
@@tomtraynor5384 Ford needs to open tuning so we can do Proper E85 tunes. No more detonation, no more killing catalysts, no more blown engines and warranty replacements.
Had 20 Mustang with a roush kit and I had the same thing constantly happening. Was running super rich higher RPM and would melt cats every 5k miles. Car was always in the shop and they wouldn’t even change the cats anymore even though on start up and certain things it would run super rough or barely idle.
Zipp ties to keep wire looms from contacting the serp belt not even a couple inches away, each holding onto hoses that will move as well as a hard PCV line.
We installed many whipple superchargers back in late 20teens and their tunes were always lean so we started tuning them ourselves. Idk how they let stuff go out like that and who is tuning these and how do they not know better. It's crazy that there tunes are still lean today.
Either purchase stage 1 or 2 directly from Whipple. Imo, the FP kit is not as good and has factory 105 speed limiter. Whipple tunes are set at 135 mph. Also, it says in Whipple install directions to dyno in 5th gear due to wheel/driveshaft/tire speed concerns.
@@RadDadisRad The FP warranty is thru Whipple. The warranty paperwork is copy pasted from Whipple. FP doesn't build or repair the supercharger. Whipple only covers up to certain amount for powertrain.
@@srtvertigo the FP warranty covers much more than the whipple warranty does. FP covers supercharger, engine, transmission, transfer case, front diff and rear diff.
I thought I heard that Whipple wants a couple data logs from the customer to work some of that out of the tune? I've got a stage 1 on the way, but I'm upgrading cats and I also don't "race".
Wonder if a higher flow catback would help the cats live longer less back pressure. The mufflers on these trucks are silly huge and restrictive. If not whats the solution for people who want to stay with the FP kit on there 24'? Gesi/green Catalytic converters?
@aedtuning8441 Something has to give then with there tune. Surely ford and whipple don't want to be blowing up customers cats/engines seem crazy and not good business.
I'm well aware of what is going on and why. Did not get into it in the video....actually, I did in a previous version but deleted it. Too much foul language. LOL
@@aedtuning8441 Do you think Ford is trying to protect their transmission because they decide to cheap out on parts so it has less capacity? Kind of sounds like something Ford would do! Sometimes that old Ford " Better ideas" just ain't truthful! Hopefully, before I kick the bucket, I'll get my 03 Mach1 Coyote swapped to bring it back to the streets and you can tune the damn thing. You still do remote tuning, right? I sold my truck and race trailer after I lost my NHRA license because I couldn't get out of the car quick enough when it came time for renewal.
Just another sad example of “them” pushing costs onto consumers. Sure you can get it supercharged, but you’re gonna pay for cats way before you normally would. Win/win for “them”.
@@bille4889 what is it with you guys and cats You don’t need em they are a restriction Get catless longtubes and won’t have that problem and your supercharged vehicle will run better
I don't know whether I should be happy you can apparently sneak this crap by CARB if you have the money, or worried they're going to see this and start making it harder to certify...
@@aedtuning8441 Exactly. But if you or I tried to certify a calibration like this we'd lose our $10k testing fee and get laughed out of the lab. Someone (whipple, ford?) basically pushed this cal through as "sufficiently similar" to something else that it was probably never actually lab tested.
Its so dumb. Heck I had a stage 2 22 and was very underwhelmed with the power. Had to tune it and run E85 to be happy with it and it woke the hell up. These trucks need to be tuned. ruclips.net/video/n9udHAP3698/видео.htmlsi=btcoJ1Y62LWfQVRA
YEP! E85 not only is the safest pump fuel to run with high compression and boost, it's also the CLEANEST. #1 byproduct of an E85 burn is water. Clean air + safe power
I have an FP700, went through 2 engines because of failed cats. Once at 5,304 and again at 12,047 miles. I have a dragy pull where i blew through the 105mph limiter up to 125mph. I notice that the limiter kicks in right at 100mph
Given what I saw in the data log, I'm not surprised at all.
Why don’t you get catless longtube headers, that’s your problem
@@ShadowRaptorGaming not my problem.
@@ShadowRaptorGaming Can't do that on a whipple tune. It'll throw codes.
Can't do an aftermarket tune either so...
@@aedtuning8441 who cares about codes, truck will adjust automatically, run better and won’t melt the cats
Whipple tune is the only option until tuning is unlocked
Limited is still better than no options🤷🏻♂️and faster than stock
The FORD Perf Whipple with the base tune that comes with it leaves the 103mph limiter in play. That's how Ford will honor the warranty. You pay Whipple for the updated tune to Stage 2 and the limiter is bumped to 135mph, BUT you void your power train warranty. It clearly states the stock speed limiter is in play on the Ford Perf page for the kit, but people don't see it. Get the stage 2 tune and a set of aftermarket cats like the SPD's and then she will rip. My AFR's are perfect with the SPD's and Whipple Stage 2 tune and MBRP catback.
Thank you sir! I would consider a 5.0 with headers and bolt ons over the whipple after seeing this post.Great Job AED !
? what's that going to do without a tune other than sound
Weird I have the whipple tune on my 24 and didn't notice a cut off. Speedo stopped at 120 and rpms kept going
I started looking at the whole FP700 deal and ended up buying a Gen 6 1r directly from them. It is allegedly a latest greatest edition with 795 hp and 135 mph limiter.
Not on pump gas it won't make that power.
@@aedtuning8441Tell Whipple that. The FP700 is called 700 because crank rating. That 795 hp is AT CRANK too-you realize that-right? As Whipple quotes.
@@tomtraynor5384 Just had ANOTHER 24 Whipple F150 on the dyno Saturday.
488RWHP SAE in 5th gear. LMAO
Yeah, 795HP my ass.
Ok. What do you suggest?
@@tomtraynor5384 Ford needs to open tuning so we can do Proper E85 tunes.
No more detonation, no more killing catalysts, no more blown engines and warranty replacements.
Whats going on my brother brother! Drop some videos more often. The knowledge is priceless.
Had 20 Mustang with a roush kit and I had the same thing constantly happening. Was running super rich higher RPM and would melt cats every 5k miles. Car was always in the shop and they wouldn’t even change the cats anymore even though on start up and certain things it would run super rough or barely idle.
Zipp ties to keep wire looms from contacting the serp belt not even a couple inches away, each holding onto hoses that will move as well as a hard PCV line.
We installed many whipple superchargers back in late 20teens and their tunes were always lean so we started tuning them ourselves. Idk how they let stuff go out like that and who is tuning these and how do they not know better. It's crazy that there tunes are still lean today.
@@lee2fast4u21 their tunes are literally made with ford and they back them up. They are fine lol. They have been tested by ford.
Either purchase stage 1 or 2 directly from Whipple. Imo, the FP kit is not as good and has factory 105 speed limiter. Whipple tunes are set at 135 mph. Also, it says in Whipple install directions to dyno in 5th gear due to wheel/driveshaft/tire speed concerns.
FP warranty covers way more than the whipple warranty
@@RadDadisRad The FP warranty is thru Whipple. The warranty paperwork is copy pasted from Whipple. FP doesn't build or repair the supercharger. Whipple only covers up to certain amount for powertrain.
@@srtvertigo the FP warranty covers much more than the whipple warranty does. FP covers supercharger, engine, transmission, transfer case, front diff and rear diff.
This the same tune that all the 24s got i wonder. Brutal.
Well if you want a warranty then you get what you get… can’t be crying and bashing no one
I thought I heard that Whipple wants a couple data logs from the customer to work some of that out of the tune? I've got a stage 1 on the way, but I'm upgrading cats and I also don't "race".
You can over ride the limiter and put e 85 with premium and the truck will make over 600 probably 660 somewhere around there
BEAST 😎
Wonder if a higher flow catback would help the cats live longer less back pressure. The mufflers on these trucks are silly huge and restrictive. If not whats the solution for people who want to stay with the FP kit on there 24'? Gesi/green Catalytic converters?
Muffles/cats/exhaust is not the problem.
@aedtuning8441 Something has to give then with there tune. Surely ford and whipple don't want to be blowing up customers cats/engines seem crazy and not good business.
Whats the solution for now then Shaun?
@@vz3692 Until Ford opens up tuning support for the 24+......NO SOLUTION I can see for this.
So is it a better alternative to go with the stage 2 direct from whipped?
No
Best to wait till ECU is tunable
Surely you shared this info with Whipple, correct? If not, why wouldn't you?
They are aware
The oil pump driven with a belt is my concern with those engines. It's the main reason I canceled my 24 RCSB order
Belt isn't an issue.. the gears was the problem
Thats good/sad new was thinking about getting one now im going to wait till they fix thir problem cuz yikes 😅
You should check in with Dustin at Whipple. I’m sure he probably has some good insights for you.
I'm well aware of what is going on and why.
Did not get into it in the video....actually, I did in a previous version but deleted it. Too much foul language. LOL
@@aedtuning8441 Too much honesty you mean?🤣🤣🤣
It's still flabbergasts me that Dustin let this out! He's been at this for going on 20 years now! Jeeze!
@@aedtuning8441 they’re going to tell you to just put E30 in it
Wow! Somebody really screwed up!
So Ford did the tuning?
Ford 'signed off' on the tune, but did not write it.
@@aedtuning8441 Hell dude! I know you're not going to do something that damn stupid! LOL!
@@rayjay8322 I'd love to fix it, but Ford locked these ECU's. No way for me to get in there and correct this.
@@aedtuning8441 Do you think Ford is trying to protect their transmission because they decide to cheap out on parts so it has less capacity?
Kind of sounds like something Ford would do! Sometimes that old Ford " Better ideas" just ain't truthful!
Hopefully, before I kick the bucket, I'll get my 03 Mach1 Coyote swapped to bring it back to the streets and you can tune the damn thing. You still do remote tuning, right? I sold my truck and race trailer after I lost my NHRA license because I couldn't get out of the car quick enough when it came time for renewal.
This is sad.
And here I thought I really wanted one.
Just another sad example of “them” pushing costs onto consumers. Sure you can get it supercharged, but you’re gonna pay for cats way before you normally would. Win/win for “them”.
Yep
@@bille4889 what is it with you guys and cats
You don’t need em they are a restriction
Get catless longtubes and won’t have that problem and your supercharged vehicle will run better
I don't know whether I should be happy you can apparently sneak this crap by CARB if you have the money, or worried they're going to see this and start making it harder to certify...
This is the CARB certified setup. 100% legal, and it's going to kill Catalysts. LOL
@@aedtuning8441 Exactly. But if you or I tried to certify a calibration like this we'd lose our $10k testing fee and get laughed out of the lab. Someone (whipple, ford?) basically pushed this cal through as "sufficiently similar" to something else that it was probably never actually lab tested.
Its so dumb. Heck I had a stage 2 22 and was very underwhelmed with the power. Had to tune it and run E85 to be happy with it and it woke the hell up. These trucks need to be tuned. ruclips.net/video/n9udHAP3698/видео.htmlsi=btcoJ1Y62LWfQVRA
YEP! E85 not only is the safest pump fuel to run with high compression and boost, it's also the CLEANEST. #1 byproduct of an E85 burn is water. Clean air + safe power
Smh.....don't manage them, just don't have them period. Expectations will always let you down.
They have to run high flow cats 😂
California regulations no bueno for performance