Thanks John that was a wake-up call for me! I have DROBOS currently and I think your concerns about them are on the money, so it's Synology for me! Thank you
You're welcome. Glad to hear it Rob. I am pretty sure I cut this part from the video. My latest Drobo sold on ebay for $200 more than I paid for it, because they're scare and people are bidding them up. The buyer told me she was buying my housing to rescue her data because her housing failed and she couldn't find a new one anywhere. My friend just bought a 1621+ because it's the smallest housing that you can get that can be ubgraded to 10GBE amzn.to/3QjnZbU I am sure it will be a little bit slower than mine, but I have been monitoring the performance of the housing and it usually only jumps to a R/W speed over 100mbps when I am transferring data or saving a file.
Thanks Eden. Migrating my 80TB of data and making the other back-up discs was a 2 month process! But at least everything is safe now. If you don't need 100TB of storage the 6-bay may be a good option. You can still upgrade its cache and ethernet to 10GBE adorama.rfvk.net/dojPrM
Yep! I finally went for a Synology DS200j with 2 4TB HDs. All in one place and I can use the Synology Photos App for my phone to constantly load my photos in there. To back it all up I use Hyperdrive and bought a 4TB external drive which I intend to keep at work but always forget to. So besides having everything in one place instead of 3 different drives and having multiple copies of everything there are 2 more reasons for going this route: 1.You get rid of subscriptions to iCloud, Dropbox, Backblaze, etc... 2.It's a long term solution. Half the companies I looked into for online backups in 2016 don't exist anymore or more than doubled their prices
Excellent review and real-world use cases. Buying Synologies were some of the best decisions I have made. And their customer service is excellent. Seeing these videos are cool because they remind me how long I have been with Synology. The last numbers of the model number signify the model year. The 21 means this is a newer 2021 year model with plus denoting it is expandable with an expansion bay. The first number (s) are the maximum number of bays. Since you have a plus sign, I know your model has 8 bays and you can attach to up to a 10 bay (+10) expansion unit to create a 18 disk volume. Conversely smaller model numbers without a plus sign such as the DS213 with no plus sign have two bays with no expandability. Whereas the the 713+ with the same footprint has two bays but attaches to a 5 bay expansion unit. Once you get the grasp of the numbering conventions, it makes model identification and needs assessment very simple. I love this company. You made a great decision. Now I have a decision to make about which Lighting Guide to buy first. Thanks for the notice.
Ha! Thanks Maurice. Vol 2 if you have ones light or less experience. Vol 1 if you love to play with a bunch of lights. After reading the beginning of your comment I wondered what the last numbers were of your unit.
Oh, I totally agree with your keeping that thing off the public internet. That company does provide very robust security tools, but that is an extraordinarily complex and constantly changing challenge. Dropbox and/or iCloud are perfect tools for the times you really need remote access for a specific project, and you get to leave all the security issues - as well as your own repetitional risk - to them!
I'm curious as to how long you are obligated/intending to keep data from client work? I'm just starting to think of this myself, and I was thinking of an appropriate timeframe where I can be ok if that data got corrupted and/or lost. My hoarder tendencies wants to keep everything, but obviously there would be a cost to that. You noted you have data from 15 years ago - is the plan just to keep those forever? Great video as always :)
Thanks! I hear you. I actually have data all the way back to 1999. I think I will keep it all because of my hoarder tendencies forever. There really isnt any incentive for me to take the data off of those old hard drives in my stack of discs and reuse them. The drives are worth less than my labor to do the task. If something is more than 2 years old and you lost it, I don't think a client would really have a right to complain.
Which RAID setup are you using as that will also play a role in speeds. You can use Synology's SHR2 which gives you 2 disc redundancy (2 drives can fail at the same time and no data will be lost) but it won't be as fast as RAID 0, but RAID 0 offers no protection RAID 10 gives speed and performance, but ultimately you'd need to populate all 8 drive bays to have 4 discs of storage. (8 10TB drives gives 40TB of storage) look at Synologys (pronounced Sinology) RAID calculator to see examples
The internet speed isn’t a factor if your hard wired to the NAS, but all of the connection points between the synology and the computer have to be 10GB.
@@JohnGress that’s a life changing answer 🎉 All this time I have dismissed NAS because I don’t have fast internet and don’t have to share files with others remotely. And I’m just about to buy the M2 MAX studio with 10GB Ethernet port. So by hard wiring it to that I’m golden 😊
Glad to hear it. In addition, you don't have to hook up a NAS to the internet. This guy will teach you everything you need to know about Synology - ruclips.net/channel/UC_n6DdR6FClpCbWnNM7Zp6A
This was an interesting one. My total date storage is small enough that Dropbox, iCloud, plus off-line hard drives (as you also use) has been enough, but I have thought about one of these for the NAS feature. (Including that you can use it as a Time Machine “reversible” backup drive). I appreciate your making this because I value real-world use highly in a product review.
The 6 Bay DS1621+ is a good option as it has the NVME cache option but you would need to purchase a 10GBE Nic for it. Not sure if it works out more than going for the 1821+ which has it included. Both of these are on my short list.
Exactly what happened to me. SaMe history same drobo history, same cd and dvd history 😂and tonight I ordered a synology and then came across this video. ✅
if you get a backblaze account you can backup your NAS to the cloud so when something happens to your NAS you still have your images. a NAS can still get stolen or your house can still burn down, both really suck.
Just purchased 4 16TB NAS drives ready for a new NAS. Still researching which Synology unit to go for. Good call ditching Drobo. Never been a fan of them.
Yeah it wasn't like I had much of a choice in the end. The icing on the cake was that I sold 3 of them so far for just about what I spent on the Synology and the upgrades. I recently guided my friend towards buying an 1621+ amzn.to/3aSnyVE. I think this is the smallest one that you can upgrade to 10GB ethernet. I probably would have been happy with this unit too. I have been monitoring my usage while editing video and I dont see transfer speeds that would exceed 1gb ethernet very often. So I guess that only performance increase I am really seeing with the 8 bay is when I am transferring data and not accessing it. This video may help you decided too ruclips.net/video/-RbAiqWf-mQ/видео.html
Is the storing of video data really that important if you are not making feature length movies that cost like millions to make? Maybe I don’t see the application that makes this important. Let’s say you do wedding videos, how long do you need to store those? RUclips? Ok, what about online videos for teaching? Depending on subject matter, that might be an application where keeping video beyond 2 years is important. But I think many of us have become data whores who feel that because hard drives are cheap that we need to back everything up and keep it for years and years. I’m certainly keeping my photos, but video? That’s a lot of data and some of it doesn’t age very well. In fact, I think a lot of it doesn’t age well at all. Are we, in fact, in overkill mode here?
So I deleted 12TB of me talking on camera before I ferried over all of the data, then I regretted it because reels came a long and I could have used the footage to make new content. However, I think deleting clips of me talking on camera is probably a good thing to do if its more than 2 years old. However I am going to keep all of the videos of me shooting because I do go back and use clips of that when I make videos about different topics. I also delted any raw footage where I was recording a conference or siminar. Likewise, when I redid my website last year I needed larger versions of all of my photos because the size specs grew as internet speeds grew. I ever retouched some of the images over again. I could see the same being true if you're a wedding videographer and the moments are great but your color grading skills or style changes. This portfolio type of use sis why I decided to keep the last few years on the SSynology. Instead of buying a second one, I decided. to put everything else on my dual disc dumb back-up system. As I monitor my usage more and more I ight have been better off with a DS1621+ but doing so would have only saved me a few hundred dollars and it might shorten the useful life of the product as file sizes become even larger.
@@JohnGress Yes, keeping clips of things you might reuse later makes sense. It almost makes sense to make short clips just for that purpose. Of course, finding those clips can become a nightmare too, which is why stock video is useful. Maybe selling clips to stock video sites is a smart idea. Anyway, I think about this a lot too so that is why i posed the question. Thanks.
Thankfully I store everything by date and topic and I can still remember what clips are where. But to your point, I usually just crab sequences I have already edited and drop them in the new timeline, which is why I am also trying in real time to put clips in a trash folder that I reject in my initial edit. But as for stills, it really would almost cost me more to go and delete photos than store them.
@garyhughs recommend me to see this video. I’m not doing video, that’s my husbands forte. I’m using CP1 with the Canon R5. The catalog needs to be on the main drive but I can edit where I point the software to. I’ve been a pro photographer since 2005 on my own, but I was selling and shooting with digital since 1998 as well. Started with film in the early 90’s LOL
About 8 years ago I set up a full system at a full service photography studio on the DS1821+. They have since expanded it, works great.
the DS1821+ was released late 2020. Something like exactly three years before you wrote that comment.
@@frederic-louissauser6945 was the DS1812. It was around 2016.
Thanks John that was a wake-up call for me! I have DROBOS currently and I think your concerns about them are on the money, so it's Synology for me! Thank you
Same boat for sure will use the Drobos for a while then move across !! Thanks great video :)
You're welcome. Glad to hear it Rob. I am pretty sure I cut this part from the video. My latest Drobo sold on ebay for $200 more than I paid for it, because they're scare and people are bidding them up. The buyer told me she was buying my housing to rescue her data because her housing failed and she couldn't find a new one anywhere. My friend just bought a 1621+ because it's the smallest housing that you can get that can be ubgraded to 10GBE amzn.to/3QjnZbU I am sure it will be a little bit slower than mine, but I have been monitoring the performance of the housing and it usually only jumps to a R/W speed over 100mbps when I am transferring data or saving a file.
Thanks Eden. Migrating my 80TB of data and making the other back-up discs was a 2 month process! But at least everything is safe now. If you don't need 100TB of storage the 6-bay may be a good option. You can still upgrade its cache and ethernet to 10GBE adorama.rfvk.net/dojPrM
Are you editing from the NAS or on the MacStudio then transferring back to NAS?
Everything lives on the NAS. 😃
14:55 what's your cold storage setup?
Sorry I thought I replied to this. It's what I was referring to at 13:51
Yep! I finally went for a Synology DS200j with 2 4TB HDs. All in one place and I can use the Synology Photos App for my phone to constantly load my photos in there. To back it all up I use Hyperdrive and bought a 4TB external drive which I intend to keep at work but always forget to.
So besides having everything in one place instead of 3 different drives and having multiple copies of everything there are 2 more reasons for going this route:
1.You get rid of subscriptions to iCloud, Dropbox, Backblaze, etc...
2.It's a long term solution. Half the companies I looked into for online backups in 2016 don't exist anymore or more than doubled their prices
Excellent review and real-world use cases. Buying Synologies were some of the best decisions I have made. And their customer service is excellent. Seeing these videos are cool because they remind me how long I have been with Synology. The last numbers of the model number signify the model year. The 21 means this is a newer 2021 year model with plus denoting it is expandable with an expansion bay. The first number (s) are the maximum number of bays. Since you have a plus sign, I know your model has 8 bays and you can attach to up to a 10 bay (+10) expansion unit to create a 18 disk volume. Conversely smaller model numbers without a plus sign such as the DS213 with no plus sign have two bays with no expandability. Whereas the the 713+ with the same footprint has two bays but attaches to a 5 bay expansion unit. Once you get the grasp of the numbering conventions, it makes model identification and needs assessment very simple. I love this company. You made a great decision. Now I have a decision to make about which Lighting Guide to buy first. Thanks for the notice.
Ha! Thanks Maurice. Vol 2 if you have ones light or less experience. Vol 1 if you love to play with a bunch of lights. After reading the beginning of your comment I wondered what the last numbers were of your unit.
@@JohnGress Thank you John. I will pickup Vol 1. My first unit is the DS 713+ connected to a DX513. Second unit is a DS1618+.
Oh, I totally agree with your keeping that thing off the public internet. That company does provide very robust security tools, but that is an extraordinarily complex and constantly changing challenge. Dropbox and/or iCloud are perfect tools for the times you really need remote access for a specific project, and you get to leave all the security issues - as well as your own repetitional risk - to them!
Great point about the cloud services, I didn't think about how they were the ones doing the hard work!
I’ve hear synology is better than QNAP for internet. That’s why I wanted to have this one
I'm curious as to how long you are obligated/intending to keep data from client work? I'm just starting to think of this myself, and I was thinking of an appropriate timeframe where I can be ok if that data got corrupted and/or lost. My hoarder tendencies wants to keep everything, but obviously there would be a cost to that. You noted you have data from 15 years ago - is the plan just to keep those forever? Great video as always :)
Thanks! I hear you. I actually have data all the way back to 1999. I think I will keep it all because of my hoarder tendencies forever. There really isnt any incentive for me to take the data off of those old hard drives in my stack of discs and reuse them. The drives are worth less than my labor to do the task. If something is more than 2 years old and you lost it, I don't think a client would really have a right to complain.
Question. How do you have your NVME SSD cache setup? Read only or read and write? Also NVME size? 🙏🏻
Read / Write. WD_BLACK 1TB SN770 NVMe Internal Gaming SSD Solid State Drive - Gen4 PCIe, M.2 2280, Up to 5,150 MB/s - WDS100T3X0E
amzn.to/3lKTNIr
Great vid John! Thank you. Very cool setup
Thanks Matthew!
Which RAID setup are you using as that will also play a role in speeds. You can use Synology's SHR2 which gives you 2 disc redundancy (2 drives can fail at the same time and no data will be lost) but it won't be as fast as RAID 0, but RAID 0 offers no protection RAID 10 gives speed and performance, but ultimately you'd need to populate all 8 drive bays to have 4 discs of storage. (8 10TB drives gives 40TB of storage) look at Synologys (pronounced Sinology) RAID calculator to see examples
Synology Hybrid Raid. Single Redundancy.
Stupid question but do you need full fibre blazing fast internet speed of 10GB then to fully utilise the Ethernet connectivity?
The internet speed isn’t a factor if your hard wired to the NAS, but all of the connection points between the synology and the computer have to be 10GB.
@@JohnGress that’s a life changing answer 🎉 All this time I have dismissed NAS because I don’t have fast internet and don’t have to share files with others remotely. And I’m just about to buy the M2 MAX studio with 10GB Ethernet port. So by hard wiring it to that I’m golden 😊
Glad to hear it. In addition, you don't have to hook up a NAS to the internet.
This guy will teach you everything you need to know about Synology - ruclips.net/channel/UC_n6DdR6FClpCbWnNM7Zp6A
This was an interesting one. My total date storage is small enough that Dropbox, iCloud, plus off-line hard drives (as you also use) has been enough, but I have thought about one of these for the NAS feature. (Including that you can use it as a Time Machine “reversible” backup drive). I appreciate your making this because I value real-world use highly in a product review.
Thanks Bob. I do love that I can just plug in my laptop and offload data wile my desktop is still plugged in and accessing data.
The 6 Bay DS1621+ is a good option as it has the NVME cache option but you would need to purchase a 10GBE Nic for it. Not sure if it works out more than going for the 1821+ which has it included.
Both of these are on my short list.
Ahh my bad the 1821+ does not have 10GBE built in, thats the XS version.
Ok good for a second there you had me worried I bought this 10GBE card for no reason!
The DS1621+ with the AMD CPU is $899 and $129 for the basic 10GBE add in card. Looks like it should be a great option.
Exactly what happened to me. SaMe history same drobo history, same cd and dvd history 😂and tonight I ordered a synology and then came across this video. ✅
I guess we were twinning and didn't know it! Don't forget to sell the Drobos on ebay!
if you get a backblaze account you can backup your NAS to the cloud so when something happens to your NAS you still have your images. a NAS can still get stolen or your house can still burn down, both really suck.
Yeah that's why I am taking the separate stack of disc's to my studio. I priced out Backblaze for my 80TB and it was fairly expensive.
@@JohnGress oh i didnt see that. i have few large disks in my PC and i see they charge a different price for PC and NAS.
Just purchased 4 16TB NAS drives ready for a new NAS. Still researching which Synology unit to go for.
Good call ditching Drobo. Never been a fan of them.
Yeah it wasn't like I had much of a choice in the end. The icing on the cake was that I sold 3 of them so far for just about what I spent on the Synology and the upgrades. I recently guided my friend towards buying an 1621+ amzn.to/3aSnyVE. I think this is the smallest one that you can upgrade to 10GB ethernet. I probably would have been happy with this unit too. I have been monitoring my usage while editing video and I dont see transfer speeds that would exceed 1gb ethernet very often. So I guess that only performance increase I am really seeing with the 8 bay is when I am transferring data and not accessing it. This video may help you decided too ruclips.net/video/-RbAiqWf-mQ/видео.html
Very good video and review that really helped me make a decision! Thank you
Is the storing of video data really that important if you are not making feature length movies that cost like millions to make? Maybe I don’t see the application that makes this important. Let’s say you do wedding videos, how long do you need to store those? RUclips? Ok, what about online videos for teaching? Depending on subject matter, that might be an application where keeping video beyond 2 years is important. But I think many of us have become data whores who feel that because hard drives are cheap that we need to back everything up and keep it for years and years. I’m certainly keeping my photos, but video? That’s a lot of data and some of it doesn’t age very well. In fact, I think a lot of it doesn’t age well at all. Are we, in fact, in overkill mode here?
So I deleted 12TB of me talking on camera before I ferried over all of the data, then I regretted it because reels came a long and I could have used the footage to make new content. However, I think deleting clips of me talking on camera is probably a good thing to do if its more than 2 years old. However I am going to keep all of the videos of me shooting because I do go back and use clips of that when I make videos about different topics. I also delted any raw footage where I was recording a conference or siminar.
Likewise, when I redid my website last year I needed larger versions of all of my photos because the size specs grew as internet speeds grew. I ever retouched some of the images over again. I could see the same being true if you're a wedding videographer and the moments are great but your color grading skills or style changes. This portfolio type of use sis why I decided to keep the last few years on the SSynology. Instead of buying a second one, I decided. to put everything else on my dual disc dumb back-up system.
As I monitor my usage more and more I ight have been better off with a DS1621+ but doing so would have only saved me a few hundred dollars and it might shorten the useful life of the product as file sizes become even larger.
@@JohnGress Yes, keeping clips of things you might reuse later makes sense. It almost makes sense to make short clips just for that purpose. Of course, finding those clips can become a nightmare too, which is why stock video is useful. Maybe selling clips to stock video sites is a smart idea.
Anyway, I think about this a lot too so that is why i posed the question. Thanks.
Thankfully I store everything by date and topic and I can still remember what clips are where. But to your point, I usually just crab sequences I have already edited and drop them in the new timeline, which is why I am also trying in real time to put clips in a trash folder that I reject in my initial edit.
But as for stills, it really would almost cost me more to go and delete photos than store them.
There’s literally zero reason to delete anything. Data is cheap.
@garyhughs recommend me to see this video. I’m not doing video, that’s my husbands forte. I’m using CP1 with the Canon R5. The catalog needs to be on the main drive but I can edit where I point the software to. I’ve been a pro photographer since 2005 on my own, but I was selling and shooting with digital since 1998 as well. Started with film in the early 90’s LOL
Nice. When I first got this house, I was editing photos over 1GBE with the images living in the enclosure and it was quite snappy.
@@JohnGress sweet!
you are so rich
Where he live at ? Think we need to talk for a bit