@@Ithaca-vv5dy so is ultimate, sm4sh was slow simply because tilts could only come from walking and because of hardware limitations on the 3ds, which ironically enough gave way for very interesting combos. Footstool combos, were one of them. Saying that this game is any faster is almost a lie considering most of the cast in 4 could easily take you to 70 or 80 with optimized combos, some could hit you once and kill you, like meta knight, sheik, Bayonetta, etc. The game is very neutral focused, and wasn't labbed hard enough, or else people would have seen some of the bullshit rob could actually do in that game. (z toss was a thing back then too) plenty of great kill confirms from Robin, MK, and the like. Game may have looked slow but it honestly wasn't, the only thing that was actually slow was how people were sent midair. Compare that to ultimate, where everything (once again) is based on how you space on shield, and how patient you are. Fighting games require patience, just because one game rewards it more doesn't mean it's slower
i really liked the smash con recap. that video requires a lot of effort, especially the green screen edits with Vik in crowd randomly LOL. It was 13 minutes of high quality content!
About that extra footstool, I think it was pkbeats they did a full video on it, and something he outline was that if you Stalled long enough certain characters would get an extra foot stool. He used upwards wind for the setup but i guess this works too
11:18 I think Steve gets teleported slightly to the right of where the other player got grabbed by minecart. It's consistent with all three. The knockback from each move changed where he was after slightly.
@@Nekotaku_TV XD I just have not had the time too much but I might pick it back up now that im working from home more you inspired me along with these vids .
@@Koracoe Do iiiit. It's my drug. Gotta take the opportunity while we have a game with online. Might shut down in a few years and then we get no new Smash for a long time...
Hey I submitted a Ridley clip like 5:45 in the past! Yeah if Ridley runs into a wall with side b the knock back on him throwing the opponent into the wall is crazy high. One of his saving graces in the Steve match up
10:08 for anyone confused with preforming this trick, set up the block and anvil, and turn around neutral B and hold toward to mid stage after you jump
honestly thought the grounded fs thing was only able to be done with ics gonna try to do it with ics and submit it here even tho its tas and ics hardest tech
Grounded footstools still can be shielded quicker than ones they can roll from right? So while the positioning would be more guaranteed your followups would have to be true, which I’m thinking some characters would prefer the tech chase situation more than keeping them in one spot. But that said some characters will *definitely* benefit from this. Surprised it hasn’t been discussed much/discovered before this
@@Greenix yeah no I wasn’t doubting that clip was true; I was saying “this probably wouldn’t be universally useful tech”. As in, some characters benefit from it more than others. Some might not even have true followups from it. But of course those who do WOULD benefit a lot
@@Diamond_Aura for ness’s case it’s actually worse in most cases we get a death combo just by doing dair > flymag > dair rather than that bs lol it is cooler though but basically frame perfect for ness because it requires you to preserve your double jump and ness is slow
My guess is that hitboxes always sending to the left if activated exactly in the middle of a character was a deliberate compromise by the development team and not a bug.
You guys always meme about how you can just tech footstools in this game but everyone including professional players never react to it anyways, I can remember sparg0, Leo and Marss doing it at least once but otherwise everyone gets hit by the "fake" combos lol
Alright I'll be the nerd that'll try to explain what I think happens at 6:04 even though nobody will read that As you said, when footstooling an opponent, the value of the center of your horizontal position gets setup to the same exact value as your opponent's. Because of this, the moves hitting your opponents will always send left because either : - You simply hit your opponent with a hitbox that would have send left - You hit your opponent with an aerial that would send to the right, BUT it has the internal property of being able to have reverse knockback (you've seen these when some smash attacks weirdly send backwards sometimes. Also explains why Ken didn't work) The reason a hitbox will send you in reverse of the usual knockback depends of the value of the center horizontal position of your character and of your opponent, if you hit them with the hitbox on your right, but your opponent's center is on your left, he will get sent left, and vice-versa. What we can theorize is that, when you and your opponent have the exact same center value when you hit him, it will always detect your opponent as being on your left, probably by how this check was coded (like in a case such as "if Xplayer > Xopponent"), which makes it always send left, since normal and reverse hitbox will assume the opponent is on the left. Reverse hitboxes have existed in previous smash games, but has been reduced to a togglable property by the devs, while also making it harder to get because of the fact you can't go through opponents in this game. Hopefully that explains it all to you, random guy that decided to read all of this. Have a good day ! ✌️
I found out about the footstool nair thing always sending to the left with incineroar and you can change this by simply holding a direction to launch the other way (Not many characters can be footstool naired and it varies in the air)
My suspicion of the footstool becoming grounded its that it will happen if the victims feet are close to the platform than some other body part, or perhaps below the midpoint of their collision box...
I knew it. Im developing a footstool setup for Joker on plats and found it(the grounded footstool on plats) by accident some weeks ago. I was intending to show a tutorial with real matches evidences but I wasnt able to catch them yet, just some examples in training mode. :v
ruclips.net/video/4l5wvilcJpI/видео.html 2:38 i wasnt sure how true they were at the time, didnt think about doing it to a platform though. but sadly for gren we arent getting much for the technicality of it. its still better to hit 1 frame of uair dd to extend or tech chase with nair. after using nair to get them to a platform
I always used to do first hit forward air wit zero suit a few years ago cause it was easy for me to confirm into boost kick. But now I can never land it for the life of me.
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WE BACK IN SMASH 4 BABY!!!
That is TERRIBLE news
@@Ithaca-vv5dywhat do you meaaaan, Footstool combos were SICK in Sm4sh, it's one of the many problems I have with Ultimate's gameplay.
@@Ithaca-vv5dySM4SH IS BETTER THAN ULT IF YOU REMOVE BAYO, SO MANY UNDISCOVERED COMBOS BABY
@@Whalordius smash 4 is soooooo slow
@@Ithaca-vv5dy so is ultimate, sm4sh was slow simply because tilts could only come from walking and because of hardware limitations on the 3ds, which ironically enough gave way for very interesting combos.
Footstool combos, were one of them. Saying that this game is any faster is almost a lie considering most of the cast in 4 could easily take you to 70 or 80 with optimized combos, some could hit you once and kill you, like meta knight, sheik, Bayonetta, etc.
The game is very neutral focused, and wasn't labbed hard enough, or else people would have seen some of the bullshit rob could actually do in that game. (z toss was a thing back then too) plenty of great kill confirms from Robin, MK, and the like. Game may have looked slow but it honestly wasn't, the only thing that was actually slow was how people were sent midair. Compare that to ultimate, where everything (once again) is based on how you space on shield, and how patient you are.
Fighting games require patience, just because one game rewards it more doesn't mean it's slower
i really liked the smash con recap. that video requires a lot of effort, especially the green screen edits with Vik in crowd randomly LOL. It was 13 minutes of high quality content!
About that extra footstool, I think it was pkbeats they did a full video on it, and something he outline was that if you
Stalled long enough certain characters would get an extra foot stool. He used upwards wind for the setup but i guess this works too
11:18 I think Steve gets teleported slightly to the right of where the other player got grabbed by minecart. It's consistent with all three. The knockback from each move changed where he was after slightly.
12:37 when the austrian genes kick in
so glad you guys are still going :) I miss playing this game but watching it keeps my DDD alive in my heart!
Why aren't you playing!? I could never stop.
@@Nekotaku_TV XD I just have not had the time too much but I might pick it back up now that im working from home more you inspired me along with these vids .
@@Koracoe Do iiiit. It's my drug. Gotta take the opportunity while we have a game with online. Might shut down in a few years and then we get no new Smash for a long time...
@@Nekotaku_TV💀
@@Piggles64099 wat
Hey I submitted a Ridley clip like 5:45 in the past! Yeah if Ridley runs into a wall with side b the knock back on him throwing the opponent into the wall is crazy high. One of his saving graces in the Steve match up
10:08 for anyone confused with preforming this trick, set up the block and anvil, and turn around neutral B and hold toward to mid stage after you jump
9:28 This Dedede is my f*cking hero
💙
I love your content guys, thank you for this
9:36 OOOOOOHHHHHHHH
honestly thought the grounded fs thing was only able to be done with ics gonna try to do it with ics and submit it here even tho its tas and ics hardest tech
8:26 “it’s a little bit crazy” 🤣
Grounded footstools still can be shielded quicker than ones they can roll from right? So while the positioning would be more guaranteed your followups would have to be true, which I’m thinking some characters would prefer the tech chase situation more than keeping them in one spot. But that said some characters will *definitely* benefit from this. Surprised it hasn’t been discussed much/discovered before this
In my ness clip I do a frame perfect frame 2 djc wavebounce pkfire into flymag to true combo before they can shield
@@Greenix yeah no I wasn’t doubting that clip was true; I was saying “this probably wouldn’t be universally useful tech”. As in, some characters benefit from it more than others. Some might not even have true followups from it. But of course those who do WOULD benefit a lot
@@Diamond_Aura for ness’s case it’s actually worse in most cases we get a death combo just by doing dair > flymag > dair rather than that bs lol
it is cooler though but basically frame perfect for ness because it requires you to preserve your double jump and ness is slow
that brown mario clip at the end .....
My guess is that hitboxes always sending to the left if activated exactly in the middle of a character was a deliberate compromise by the development team and not a bug.
Jeez didnt expect a totk spoiler in a fraction of a second of the time it took to exit out the vid on reaction
i relate to the trip mechanic, dodged a hero fsmash with oomph because i was trip by kirby down tilt
12:37 please be careful. You're austrian after all XD
Final clip gave me a good laugh. Liked the video just for that one
9:11 I had to think of Bomb Rush cyberfunk
It could be ECB jank with big characters
You guys always meme about how you can just tech footstools in this game but everyone including professional players never react to it anyways, I can remember sparg0, Leo and Marss doing it at least once but otherwise everyone gets hit by the "fake" combos lol
@BeefySmashDoods so cool thing, kabayeezy is from my region! its cool to see them in a smash review vid, so thanks for showin the clip!
15:40 VyQ made A recovery from that final clip 😔
Alright I'll be the nerd that'll try to explain what I think happens at 6:04 even though nobody will read that
As you said, when footstooling an opponent, the value of the center of your horizontal position gets setup to the same exact value as your opponent's.
Because of this, the moves hitting your opponents will always send left because either :
- You simply hit your opponent with a hitbox that would have send left
- You hit your opponent with an aerial that would send to the right, BUT it has the internal property of being able to have reverse knockback (you've seen these when some smash attacks weirdly send backwards sometimes. Also explains why Ken didn't work)
The reason a hitbox will send you in reverse of the usual knockback depends of the value of the center horizontal position of your character and of your opponent, if you hit them with the hitbox on your right, but your opponent's center is on your left, he will get sent left, and vice-versa.
What we can theorize is that, when you and your opponent have the exact same center value when you hit him, it will always detect your opponent as being on your left, probably by how this check was coded (like in a case such as "if Xplayer > Xopponent"), which makes it always send left, since normal and reverse hitbox will assume the opponent is on the left.
Reverse hitboxes have existed in previous smash games, but has been reduced to a togglable property by the devs, while also making it harder to get because of the fact you can't go through opponents in this game.
Hopefully that explains it all to you, random guy that decided to read all of this.
Have a good day ! ✌️
Finally great fox combo no spamming of up air
I found out about the footstool nair thing always sending to the left with incineroar and you can change this by simply holding a direction to launch the other way
(Not many characters can be footstool naired and it varies in the air)
My suspicion of the footstool becoming grounded its that it will happen if the victims feet are close to the platform than some other body part, or perhaps below the midpoint of their collision box...
Maybe they "stretch" during the animation, touching the ground, resulting in a grounded footstool
The red pikmin has fire resistance, no? So the olimar would’ve lost a diff color
4:54 5:47 if I died to these weird stage bounce things I’d throw my controller
I love the final clips
Damn this is going to be crazy
12:35 Excuse Me?!
There should be a tournament that’s just Steve glitches lol
Seems situational but a pretty cool new tech
Great vid as always
I hope my mains can't get footstool clipped:)))
Someone's been playing skyward sword
Real footstool combos are back holy sakurai
Thanks for the video!
The 'couldve teched it's are gone 😮
PKbeats did an amazing video about footstool facts, i reccomend checking it out
Anybody else notice there has barely been any pyra mythra clip at all this year or is it just me
14:58 cFive you okay man?
Why would you call Altaïr Ezio? Altaïr is infinitely cooler, stronger and more badass in every single way imaginable
Smash 4 2: Electric Boogaloo
finally a mechanic that does not fuck over dk specifically😀☠️
Woah don't put TOTK spoilers in the videos!
Love ur content
Where do i go to send these guys clips?
What was that battle theme in Style’s clip. I know it’s from a Xenoblade game but I don’t know which one.
It's the elite monster theme from 3 (I think the official name is "A Formidable Enemy")
@@ultimatejeffy6638yes that's it
I knew it. Im developing a footstool setup for Joker on plats and found it(the grounded footstool on plats) by accident some weeks ago. I was intending to show a tutorial with real matches evidences but I wasnt able to catch them yet, just some examples in training mode. :v
Damn wish i didn't see that TOTK spoiler in my SMASH review
How can I share my clips ?
That is dope
ruclips.net/video/4l5wvilcJpI/видео.html 2:38 i wasnt sure how true they were at the time, didnt think about doing it to a platform though. but sadly for gren we arent getting much for the technicality of it. its still better to hit 1 frame of uair dd to extend or tech chase with nair. after using nair to get them to a platform
I always used to do first hit forward air wit zero suit a few years ago cause it was easy for me to confirm into boost kick. But now I can never land it for the life of me.
I'm sorry but what is up wit all these Steve bugs like they really just created bullshit the character
No they didnt
Hi
YOOOOO
IT'S NOT BROWN MARIO ARCEUS DAMMIT
IT'S DARK GREY/BLACK
bro is rp-ing religion
Bro fuckin spoiled Tears of the Kingdom in the middle of your Smash video. Like at least give a warning, not everyone's played it yet.
God I'm so glad Steve is banned