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Fun fact about Asura's Wrath: Liam O'Brian, the voice actor for Asura, once yelled so hard and long for one of the scenes that he coughed up blood
Is this info from like an expo or an interview?
He also voices War in the Darksiders series!
source or I'm calling BS
There’s always this comment on every single video of Asuras wrath 😂😂
@@jurtheorc8117 kinda funny when you realize that War is another opponent people wanted to see Kratos fight
"This is like Anime God of War." YESSSSS!!!! THANK YOU!!!!! I have been saying that for over a decade since i first played it. It's literally structured like an anime and has so many similarities to God of War with the biggest change being Hinduism being the mythology they pulled from instead of Greek.
It was described in the game magazines(that was a thing back then) as a fusion between god of war and dbz
If you're interested in another high action dark fantasy game based on/inspired by Hindu mythology, i recommend you set your sights on IMMORTAL: And the Death That Follows. Really excited for that one.
Anime sucks
@@-.Outlaw.- why?
@@-.Outlaw.- very much depends on the anime, and I am saying this as a very casual fan
All of Kratos' enemies in Norse Mythology always visit his house before fighting.
Heimdall
Thors sons
Odin and Thor.
Baldur.
Freya
Here's something crazy, Kratos's voice actor in this fight is only nineteen years old.
Man. I love your explanation about innacuracy since god of war. Since then your videos have been somewhat my favorites because you explain it like a calm and reasonable person. So thank you for brighten up my day.
9:24 as a fan of Asura’s Wrath and a mythology nerd much like yourself YOU REALLY NEED TO PLAY IT
Quick Warnings:
-The DLC is part of the full game, you wont complete the main story without it
-A LOT of QTEs but they are Way better than most games that use them
Also, at least back in the day, you may need to pay a pay wall to get the Chakravartin fight, otherwise it just ends after Asura destroys Gohma Vitra
He also missed the fact that they were talking about the group Asura’s (evil gods ) not just one particular Asura
I don't remember asura wrath having a dlc and pretty sure I completed it
Nice to see that your realized how some points of Death Battle were flawed:
Some more info below if interested (mainly coming from other users and places):
Helios for the speed feat is really bad, as mentioned with the flashlight comparision. But also keep in mind tha Helios was weakened, was not at his chariot or temple/chariot used to bring light to the world. So the scale of Helios light of the Underworld vs the one Kratos experiences in his "battle", are two different things.
There is the Hermes speed argument (as fast as Helios light in the Underworld) but that also doesnt works since Kratos could'nt keep up with Hermes, only hitting in the state withe catapult due to Hermes cornering himself with his constant taunts and stupidity. Also, during their main fight, he was injured and shown signs of exhaustion, and even then Kratos could only hit him propely when he had to stop to recover.
All things considered, there is little justification for Kratos and Asura being tied in Speed, where Asura should've had the category.
Also, since mobility is connected to speed: Asura can fly, but Kratos cannot. Even with the Icarus Wings Kratos mostly just glides with thoses and he needs air currents to fly with thoses; and even then he cannot fight ince he needs to hold the wings with his hands.
Mantra draining shoouldn't be a problem. The reactor put and fuelded in Asura for his final fight produces Mantra on it's own in high quantities. Even the Blade of Olympus wouild not be able todrain it so fast, when we consider it's use in GoW2 (Kratos had to stun the Colossus of Rhodes to have enough time to put his energy, and needed several uses to drain his god pwoer from the Colossus). So Death Battle put a detriment to Asura that would not happen in this match up.
Tyr was holding the Ragnarok with his magic, and even then just barely. Besides that, the 9 realms each may not even be equal to a universe each, since all of them can be considered just as big as the Norse region of Earth, each occuping the sama spot but in parallel dimensions separated by the World Tree. Also affecting the Tree may also not be that huge of a feat, because of that and the fact it is limited in size (taggs needs to trim it or it overgrows and falls).
And yes, even the highest scale of it could be seen as outlier (either by Tyr or the legend of Thor and Jorgumandr clash affecting the tree, despite the game showing that is not what happens during their fight) and not compared directly in the same to other of Kratos feats during his Greek fights:
-According to supplemntal material from GoW, Kronos defeated Uranus just as in the myth: using a scythe on his "weakpoint" during a suprise attack. If Uranus scale to universe or more in pwoer, Kronos doesnt necessarily does so;
-Atlas holding the greek world may be limited just to the lands of Greece and around, not the universe (he is not holding the sky). But even if he did, Kratos didnt beat him directly in the fight, he just imprisioned him with chains (and in GoW2, where Kratos is stronger, he was barely able to push 2 of Atlas fingers and may have been killed by Titan if he failed to convice him);
- The Pillar than hold the Greek World required Atlas plus helios energy and seevral blows to jsut damage it, requiring Persepheno death energy balst to finish the job;
-When Kratos fought Kronos, the latter was imprisioned and Kratos need to sue every tool in his arsenal, lots of deception (hiding from sight and using Helios head to blind Kronos) as well using his size, effort and enviroment just to kill Kronus. Whatever full power Kronus is at it (below Uranus), Kratos doesnt match it;
-Zeus is scaled based on him using Kronus and Uranus as references. As mentioned, that means little here to prove him to be a univeral or above threat (and considering how he was complaining the amount of work he would need to fix the Greek world just makes thing worse);
Even if we consider Kratos power on the level that Death Battle put, there is enought info to how it as ambigous and only at best high ends interpetrations. The average or standard pwoer that Kratos should have is way lower than the numbers they put
Meanwhile, Asura, as shown, was fighting on that level casually at minimum during his fight with his Chakravatin, and the Golden statue form that Death battle used as base for scaling Asura pwoer was not even the final form, which was strong enough to stop Asura with one finger until he unlocked an futher power up.
In another words, Death Battle ignored mid and lower levels/ ends interpetraions for Kratos more ambiguous power as the standard; while Asura more sure power that overshadows the mid and lower of Kratos was downplayed to be lower than Kratos high end, when Asura final battle could've been a amtch or even bigger as the standard for him.
Death Battle really messed up in some form. Either by explaining rally bad their argumentsts or using faulty logic.
Honestly, even if it was a suprise attack, he still defated Uranus and we know for a fact Zeus beat Cronos at his peak, so he should atleast be around the level of Uranus due to the fact that Uranus was more than likely slightly stronger than Cronos as well. So Honestly, that's not even that much of stretch, it makes sense within the context of the narrative
That Freyr and Helios feats are too bad. It borders to wank of universal scales
I mean its fair to do since Kratos is way stronger than Asura,DB need to lowball Primordial feats and Yggdrasil to make it even fair
@@fordprefect5967remind me. Didn’t Zeus only beat Cronos **after** freeing his siblings. Which, if that’s true, Zeus couldn’t beat Cronos at his peak without help
Very well put, deathbattle really shit the bed with this one, I'm sure if you asked any of the God of war writers if Kratos can destroy a universe or is strong enough to punch something 10 times the size of a planet to pieces they'd laugh their ass off
If Kratos was in DC Comics, he would be a Red Lantern. Then would later become a Blue Lantern by the time of Valhalla.
So Razer from GLTAS?
Or a Green Lantern in the later God Of War games.
Zeus would be a Yellow Lantern.
Athena would be either a Blue Of Green Lantern, not just because of the green thing.
we need Every Mythical Innaccuary in Asura's Wrath if you get the game since I see Durga is like Shiva wife
@@akirayamaguchithekitsune4010 yes please
I feel like it would be hard to do Mythological Innacuracies for Asura’s Wrath because it’s not really an adaptation of any hindu or buddhist stories or characters. It’s inspired by them and has nods to them yeah, but its very much its own story which its own characters
It's inspired by Hindu/Buddhist Indian mythology, it isn't an exact depiction of it, just a creative world deriving artistic inspiration from Hindu/Buddhist mythology and it's aesthetics.
This Durga isn't the goddess Durga. Durga is also a common household name.
Your neighborhood aunt could be named Durga doesn't make her the Goddess Durga.
Funnily enough Asura in his mantra form is called "Asura The Destructor"; which is, Shiva's role
@bloomingblossom5269 and he defeats Goma Vitra in his Vajra form.
Like how Indra destroyed Vitra using his Vajra.
Realistically, Kratos and Asura would be bros and kratos son Atreus, and Asura daughter Mithra
Mithra would date
And Sun Wukong Would be
The fun crazy uncle
( Kratos and Asura and Sun Wukong vs. Buddha would be a great god of war game and cross over)
Atreus and Mithra would be more homies. Pretty sure Atreus is already dating soenone.
@@eaglehood224
Yeah
calliope and mithra would date
Atreus is already taken by angerboda
@@JillV2-e9g Calliope is dead also Loki had a wife and mistress with angraboda being the mistress
*Daughter accidentally gets spooked so asura fights him*
Hey, resident Asura's wrath fan here. If you want to play the game, it is recommended you at the least get the final episodes dlc, because they have the true canon ending to the game. There are other dlc, two canon, the .5 dlcs, and two uncanon, the street fighter crossover dlcs, but they aren't as important as the final episodes dlc, though i still recommend gettin them as they are REALLY good still.
So, i'm here to dunk on some points on what deathbattle didn't really understood about the powers and feats between kratos and asura:
So, for the Power aspect in Kratos' Case: Using the scale of "Ragnarok's Fight that shook the world tree" is a really dumb metric to use, mainly because that shaking happend *after* asgard was blown into bits, so saying that Kratos did something similar is just a stretch, it's something akin to saying "i use a bomb with a 10 tons of TNT and that makes me just as strong as the Explosion is". At best i would say that Kratos holding his own against Cronus (who is weakenend btw) and or Thor, who fought against the world serpant, but that's really debatable, since kratos didn't fought the serpant himself.
For Asura, using the Golden Chakravartin form as a scale is cute, to say the least, but i would say that after his Transformation into his final form, beating chackra would've been a greater feat, even if the "mass" or "size" isn't as impressive. Let's not forget that Asura blew up Red/Blue Giants in order to reach chakra, that would need equal or more energy to be blown up and a Moon almost the same Size as chakra.
For Speed: i think some people noticed it, but saying that "Kratos was able to kill helios who is 'the sun' or has the power of the sun" is really ridiculous. Mainly that Helios is the personification of the sun, where he did have the Light of the Sun, but not really the ability to use it to speed himself up at lightspeed without his temple or chariot. At best, i would say he could be close to that and he was able to punch Heimdall, who had the ability to sense what his opponent would do next.
As for Weapons: i don't know why they covered Kratos's Weapons from Greece minus the blades, because as it was said in the Games, those weapons/magic was bound to the earth, aka Greece, so at most i would say he had the Axe, Blades of Chaos and Draupnir Spear. As for the Blade of Oylmpus? It was a memory of Kratos while he was in Valhalla, where he had the ability to use it even though it shouldn't be possible, but i give them the benefit of the doubt and say they used Valhallah as the battlefield.
Also, i hate how they lowballed Asura's Durability, because he was able to withstand several Blows from Stronger enemies and survived wild Stuff like "being Pierced by his Masters Blade while falling down to earth from the moon" or "being able to withsand Lightning attack from Deus who used the power of the Karma Fortress to buff himself up".
Also as far as i know, the Draupnir Spear in game had the ability to copy the element of a certain target and not drain from them and even then, if it were the Case, Asura himself gets enough Mantra from his own Wrath, not speaking of people like Kratos, because even though Kratos managed to control his own anger, it still remains. Asura only died at the end, since the Being who created Mantra died, so there wasn't a concept like Mantra left in the world.
I could write some more, but those were my main Critic points towards this Death battle.
Was waiting for your reaction!
That's the issue with Death Battle. They like to do a lot of "if this is this and that is that then that must mean this equals that so we can assume this". They try to connect things that aren't the same, like just because you can do this one thing doesn't mean you can survive that thing too. That's like saying because you can survive shooting a gun, you can survive being shot by one, not even close to the same thing. They did the same lame reasoning with the Omniman vs Bardock fight.
exactly, just cuz i happen to kill a bear by stabbing it in the eye, doesn't mean im automatically stronger than a bear...
Nah with kratos it's actually backed up in universe. Omni man they outright ignored context to wank him
The problem I have with this death battle is, in the GOW mythology all Kratos’ strongest feats are told not shown. Meanwhile ashura’s highest feats are shown. And they have higher feats that are told, but that’s post credits stuff. Meanwhile, if you compared purely shown feats ashura would wipe out Kratos. And they don’t take into account ashura’s wrath final episode dlc feats. So I can’t say for sure he would win. But it is disappointing they didn’t account for that in their death battle. As for the alternate ending. They do that for every death battle. You can access their logs on all the alt endings if your a Patreon. Or so I’m told.
Also to add at 25:55 they measure the creator of the entire universe to the density of gold and above all that giant buddha statue isn't even the boss's final form the giant buddha is more of a shell and the real god is within that which is MUCH stronger. Then to further boost asuras strengh is that when shakra enters his final form it only took him a single finger to stop asuras mantra form punch and forcibly return asura to his BASE FORM, then within a short amount of time found a further increase in power out surpassing all his other forms and killed chakra. For real tho death battle is becoming whack. And their research are just bad
While it is odd to use that, Asura doesn't benefit from what you mentioned anyways. Chakravartin himself is 4th dimensional. Kratos casually sits in the 5th dimensional tier through the fact he's more powerful than the world tree.
Will never understand beating cronos always being brought up like it’s = to cronos in his prime, man has a city chained and bolted too his back and has been wandering the desert for ages, feels like all the titans are tired shadows of what they once were
@uj7739what does 'more powerful than the world tree' mean? Look, being able to shake something that exists across multiple dimensions isn't that awe-inspiring (proportionally speaking). I'll give you a thought experiment to illustrate it.
Lets say theres a planet like Earth. It's floating in the void, doing Earth-like things, when suddenly a massive sheet of paper comes into view... except it isn't paper. Its a two-dimensional object, coming at the almost-Earth with all its mass. The paper, at its current mass and speed, has enough force behind it to crack the planet in half, and when it hits, it does just that. Envisioning it as a huge, rigid sheet of paper many times larger in diameter than the planet illustrates the mass, while showing that its technically a dimension lower than the sphere-shaped planet (2 dimensions vs 3 dimensions).
Am I saying its nothing special to shake an object that exists in higher dimensions? Of course its special... but also, it might not take that much more force, since we have no idea how much more mass something would possess in those higher dimensions, or really any of the potential laws of physics across time. At best we can apply the square-cube law, but that's bound to be inaccurate.
What im trying to get at here is that when you say Kratos shook the world tree, that doesn't mean he suddenly has unlimited ability to attack extra-dimensional beings or break space-time apart. It just means he made contact with a part of this higher-dimensional structure that stuck into his dimension, the weight, size, and mass of which we have no idea of. For all we could guess, Yggdrasil is weightless and has extremely low mass, so shaking it is about as hard as flipping the Temple of Tyr. We just can't make assumptions without a baseline.
Dude You Will Love This.
My guy, you have no idea how right you are about Asura's Wrath being an anime. The whole game is structured like an anime show: There are 3 acts of six episodes (plus 4 more in a DLC Act), as well as a handful of a few other DLC episodes. Each episode has opening credits, and is split into two main segments. Said segments are broken up by splash screens (which are really a way to hide the game loading data.)
Asura's Wrath is over the top in the best of ways. The only real downside is that DLC thing I mentioned. The true ending of the game, the last four levels, were offered up as DLC separate from the main game. Nobody liked that when it released. :/
This isn't Kratos, the God of War. This is Kratos, the God of Hope.
Just don't mention Lamb's Crest on Kratos
I wanna call you out for all the comments, but eh, you DID warn us with that username.
True
Kratos was barely even a god of war
he got the title at the end of the first game and lost his god powers at the start of the second game
@@JillV2-e9gI think it was said he was on the throne for at least 13 years so that's something
Have you heard of this game called cult of the lamb? It’s very loosely based on multiple mythologies and is very fun. The minor bosses are named after biblical demons while three of the five major ones are named after gods like Leshy, Heket, and Kali.
Good to see you reacting to more death about my man and good to see you again
Cant wait for the God Of War Ragnarök inaccuracy video! Your awesome dude!
I think asura should have won there was alot feats they were trying to put to kratos that really didn't make much sense
Kratos scaling to the world tree does make sense
Gow fans just think
the series literally solos fiction
their not the most honest people
Kratos is universal- low multiversal at best or at wank he has no chance against Ashura.
The only reason Kratos didn't fight or beat Odin alone was because he promised Freya that she'd get the final hit
That’s a weak point, if that were true he could have done what they actually do together which is beat him until he couldn’t fight back. Kratos and Atreus fought him at the same time before Freya showed up and they straight up lost to him.
@@edgardtheknowledgekeeper3119so what your saying is you wanted kratos and atreus to stand still while Odin tries to kill them and kratos was holding back this entire time he'd easily kill odin if he wanted too
I would love to see you play asuras Wrath, it’s a game even I’m unfamiliar with
Asura's Wrath is in fact a PREQUEL to the entire Street Fighter/Streets of Rage extended universe.
THIS IS ALL THE SAME CANON, Asura's reincarnation is running around somewhere in the modern era of Street Fighter.
I thought it was not canon?
Is that actually canon?
I just thought the image of reincarnated Asura punching reincarnated Wyzen was a nod to the opening of Street Fighter 2?
@@AlexThat200 Chun Li is seen in the background during that scene, along with other established characters if I remember right.
No other game in the SF-Verse makes reference to Asura's Wrath, but the whole point is that those events took place so long ago that no recorded history documents them, it's lore they can bring off the back burner at any time.
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Ah. Must have missed that.
Well shoot. That's actually awesome!
Would be cool if they brought reincarnated Asura to Street Fighter.
they used hermes for kratos speed feat................................
Regardless of anything else, after killing Hermes, Kratos steals his winged shoes which give him Hermes speed. You can use Helios' head against Hermes I'm battle and he will dodge the attack even while injured
@@SebasTian58323"Regardless of anything else"
You see, these kinds of things are actually common in the "vs" realm when you compare anime/manga verses and comic verses and then anime/manga vs comic. To a lot of people here ( i don't mean to sound condescending whatsoever, it's not exactly the most popular thing and is rather nerdy and a lot of people say "bro it really isn't that deep") they aren't well versed with how one would powerscale. Objectively Asura really would win, based on just the limited feats he does have, vs Kratos who has had comics and multiple games written and added input from different writers etc etc. Now me being subbed to this page, i too am a massive Mythology and History nerd, tied in with religion, and i love Kratos to death, but when you fight someone of Asura's calibre and what he represents in Hinduism and Buddhism, Kratos wouldn't be able to match it. I've made the assertion, and so to that you need to back up the claim as then the burden of proof is on me, we know of kratos and what he did with Yggdrasil and Atlas, but 1 of Asura's abilities is centered on the commonly more well known "1000 armed kanon/Bodhisattva/Guanyin, or in Hinduism's Sanskrit "Avalokitasvara" - This embodiment and power is at minimum infinite 3 dimensional power, so in the powerscaling scene, he's at least 3 dimensional universal strength. Arguments can be made that in fact he's even into 4th dimensional power when you factor in the genuine complexities of how deep Hinduism and Buddhism and their dieties actually go. In the video they briefly went over one of Asura's speed feat which is legitimately solid, and Asura can achieve that for sure. However, one thing when powerscaling "speed" specifically, it comes in ranges of movement speed, reaction times, combat speed. Asura is minimum millions of times "FTL" (Faster than light) in all of these if he wanted/needed to be. Am i mad about how it ended? No, it's for entertainment and i love both characters. Is it understandable as to how they reached their conclusion? Well...some of it was a bit off, but yeah, it's understandable. Is it their fault? No, because we only have the 1 game they're citing Ashura's feats from and not his entire lore/background. We know a lot about Norse myth/Greek myth and the things to expect from their respective religion and myths, but it's not as COMMONLY known about Hinduism, which is understandable, as even with the Vedic scripts etc, not everything is even possible to be translated yet from Sanskrit. BUT there's enough information out there where if you do enough digging (not even much tbh) you'll understand that in Hinduism, deities fight on literal COSMIC levels CONSTANTLY. Don't get me wrong, yes the Primordials are strong in Greek myth, but Norse don't hold up to that in regards to their deities and monsters, and even the Greek Pantheon including the old ones would struggle against demons/deities from Hinduism. Sorry for taking up so much time with my comment if you read all of this, but i hope this was at least a little bit insightful. Appreciate the vid as always Mythology Guy, i loved your reactions hahaha
wow your comment made me change my opinion of kratos rightfully winning damn
To clear up the Helios and Chronos scaling:
- Helios was severely hurt when Kratos killed him, but he wasn't when he was beaten and defeated by Atlas, whom Kratos also defeated, which they do mention in one of black boxes in the top right corner.
- Chronos was tied up by the temple of the Gods, but it never really says he was weakened severely by it. Plus-
- Zeus defeated Chronos and the other Titans when they were at full strength and Kratos kicked Zeus butt.
- Zeus got WAY stronger than both Gaia and Chronos as he got older and Kratos STILL beat that version with is bare hands.
- Hermes is supposed to be faster than almost all the other gods, including Helios, and Kratos beat him at full strength.
- They were talking about Helios light, not his chariot.
It may take jumping through a hoop or two, but it still checks out.
Honestly I think Cronos would still be weakened. Not only was he walking with a temple on his back for like a thousand years or something and he was also placed into Tartarus so he most likely was weakened.
Saying that you right, Kratos still should scale. Hades of all people could 1v1 Cronos in his prime and that was before Hades even absorbed Atlas soul and the souls of mortals which is the Hades Kratos fought and beat.
They did kinda withhold a feat. A MAJOR feat. So, they talked about Asura's punch and how it broke Chakravartin's golden avatar type thing. Yet they FAILED to mention the part where Chakravartin entered his next form and blocked another punch of similar, if not more power with his FINGER. Now, the reason I reckon this punch is just as, if not more powerful than his punch that shattered the Chakravartin golden form, is because the angrier Asura gets, the stronger he gets. And it's pretty safe to assume that when he saw that bastard was not only still alive, but even stronger than before, he was pretty fucking angry, even more so than before. Which means that Chakravartin's finger is probably more than the power of that punch. Making his later feat of punching Chakravartin out of existence after being knocked into his base form even more insane and even more powerful than any other attack of his. Now, the fact that this punch that would most likely be more powerful than the first Chakravartin shattering one didn't even slightly hurt Chakravartin shows that he's most likely several times stronger than that punch. Making his next hits even more insane. Hence, massively increasing his power. If it wasn't clear, it's likely that that may actually match Kratos' feat, if not surpass it. Hence, putting their power at equilibrium, if not in Asura's favour. But, what do I know? I'm just a certified dumbass on the internet arguing about which fake big buff man is stronger than the other👍
Also, another note about Kratos' feat, Freyr was able to hold Ragnarok's power back for a little bit. While Kratos is stronger than Freyr, that doesn't mean that he'd be strong enough to output that kind of power himself. He only held it back, and he didn't fully push it back.
Going to call this fight "Halo" cuz it's all about dat *REACH*
LMAO! xD
I'm #TeamKratos as well, and I was also surprised at this outcome. I vaguely remember seeing another video that questioned who would win between the two, and they had Asura by a lot from what i remember.
In God of War canon, the universe was created when the primordials wrestled, whereas in Greek mythology it was created when the primordials “wrestled”
If you do get Asura's wraith, make sure you get the "complete" version. The game like Bioshock Infinite was notorious for having their game endings locked behind DLC.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THAT THE LEVIATHAN AXE MAKES THE SAME SOUND MCU MIOLNIR DOES WHEN HE RETRACTS IT
There was a lot of spite and controversy related to this death battle involving lore vs actual feats.
I’m very mixed between loving Kratos and knowing what Asura did in his game
Because on paper Asura should have won, but Kratos feats should have been shown to prove he is capable of this power
Yeah it’s visual tards vs people who actually have a brain, sorry not sorry but you can’t believe shit cuz you don’t see it and wanna deny any lore stuff cuz it isn’t shown in game then you’re a biased dumbass cuz it is part of the story and game it is official and valid, even the devs said they had to make concessions in the game for sake of balance and mechanics and story so it isn’t just planet buster simulator.
When is there not?
@@michaelgarner4423To explain the whole "Oh but Kratos doesn't look that strong in game!" All I gotta say is that Corey Barlog (the lead director for GOW 2/2018) said that there is a disconnect between how strong Kratos is in lore, and what's shown in game due to gameplay mechanics; which makes sense as if Kratos were shown as how powerful he should be in lore, he'd 1 shot 99% of his enemies with his weakest attack which wouldn't make for a fun gameplay experience.
@@Ben-xg3tjProblem is you can say this for many characters. That's why people tend to use feats that have been specifically shown OR implied in the universe in some way.
Asura's Wrath is very underrated and part of that is because Capcom hid the true ending in the DLC which was divided into several parts. I think if you download the game you get everything but if you go with a physical copy you'll still have to pay for the missing parts unless there's a game of the year addition, do not quote me on that because I'm not entirely sure.
“I don't know how to end videos.”
Video ends.
Please do that for all videos.
To give you an idea of Asura's Wrath it's basically a crazy over the top martial arts action anime in video game form with boss fights so over the top and crazy that you're response will be "WTF am I playing?" and the first boss fight which they mention the one against Wyzen pretty much gives you an idea of how over the top and crazy the boss fights get.
4:00 😅 Kronos, Helios, Icarus and Atlas if I remember right most of these guys were already weakened and or carrying something extremely heavy so basically fighting with a handicap. And good Lord did you see Thor? that dude is built like a rhino😅 who in the hell was willingly fight that monstrosity?
Personally I always thought that Kratos was stronger then the games kinda let on because of the fact the why the fights are shown are more slow and down to earth like kinda like Legend of Zelda where this character is strong but they still want it to look like that it's a struggle to get the victory so it feels like you earned the win where as Asura's fights had the opposite goal of making the player feel like they're a god tier powerhouse so each victory feels like it was an inevitable butt whoopin.
That’s what always gets me angry when people use gameplay mechanics as a reason for a character to be weak
@stellleoThen make a better game. If you fail to represent your own character in a game, just write novels
If I remember correctly, that's more or less what the GOW developers said. They don't want Kratos' fights to feel like one sided slaughters, so they keep his strength in gameplay relatively restrained. And while that can definitely seem frustrating to some people, I think it's cool how lore can help give you a better understanding of how certain characters really are.
@@archersterling6726you don’t get it that makes for a un satisfying experience and depending on the plot it can only be made certain ways asura wrath didn’t even do as good as gow any of the games for that matter ur point is just dumb when stat wise gow is objectively better
@@gamestertime598 Sure you do, buddy, sure you do
Gotta agree with you on the Death Battle pre-animation thing. I liked imagining what their characters looked like.
29:40 Oooooooooo you pronounced Heracles wrong
The game is actually essentially an interactive anime. An anime with Quick time events. It is even episodic with chapters and episodes and each one ends like an anime episode
im surprised they didnt mention the feat of him killing hiemdal, a god that was said to never have been even scratched
"Said"
heimdall has no good feats tho
@@JillV2-e9g how is the simple fact of no one ever being able to lay a hand on him not a feat?
I could be remembering this wrong but from what I remember wasn’t the spear design to overwhelm hiemdals senses so kratos can hit him? If I remember correctly I believe the spear is the only reason he was able to hit hiemdal without it i don’t think he would be able to so I wouldn’t personally call it a feat. But again I could be remembering wrong and I will stand corrected if I am :D
@DOIKDAME cuz we don't know if this is due to him being so strong that nobody can hurt him, or if it's just due to hax.
Now I'm wanting to see "Every Mythical Inaccuracy in Asura's Wrath"
He just stated that he would do a "Every Mythical Inaccuracy in Asura's Wrath" video but he first has to play the game which he now wants to do and beat it to completion now I'm not sure if that will include the final 4 DLC episodes which is where the Chakravartain fight and the fight against Yasha where "spoiler alert" it's revealed that Yasha removed the Mantra Core from himself and gave it to Asura happens.
I mean it just has inspiration from mythology
We need Zeus vs. Odin in Death battle
MCU or God of War
Odin in GoW is just confirmed stronger than past enemies, same with Thor and Baldur, there are multiple statements for Norse>Greek in raw power, they mostly just say the Greek Gods have more variety in powers.
I'd at pit Zeus (DC) vs Odin (Marvel). It'd be a nice callback to Wonder Woman vs. Thor.
Zeus vs Odin ( actual mythology)
@@LeaderOfTheLostSoulsu must be stupid or trolling because the Director of God of war literally said himself, Zeus is stronger😂 and he only said that about Buldur because he thought he was immortal😂
I think that this was the first time Death Battle made two different endings.
no, there were others. Can't remember which.
@@Rage_Templarno, those were DBXs
DBX are decided by votes
The most recent Death Battle too show alternate animated endings was the Bowser vs Eggman fight.
@fireflyer97 Those were different alternate scenarios that weren't shown in the actual fight. For example, one shows how Bowser could reverse the effects of the Metal Virus with his magic. The ones shown either showed Bowser with the advantage or it being too close to call.
To my knowledge, Kratos vs Asura was the first to have a full alternate ending where the loser wins.
Akuma vs M Bison was the other one
I wish Mythology Guy be in DEATH BATTLE cast so he can talk about his favorite MU
This need to happen
My main problem with this battle is that they did a terrible job explaining why Kratos should have won.
Like I completely agree with the outcome but the reasoning the gave was just so bad.
And people say that most of his “feats” are just saying but not actual proof
Which i believe they should ha shown more proof of him being capable of said power
@@michaelgarner4423That is people being dumb, it is lore it part of the story and official material it is valid even the devs talk about how they couldn’t show off their power all the time properly due to limitations and concessions made for the game to be more balanced and not make the story too ridiculous or whatever.
You can want his power to be shown but that’s your preference it doesn’t change the facts.
Tell me how would they be able to show Kratos and Gods busting universes and multiverses every time in battle without destroying their realms they exist in? It’s the same thing with DBS they get close to busting a universe or talk about it but stop before they actually do it cuz they don’t want to bust it cuz they live there ofc.
We see the primordials make Greek universe in their clash with one being the embodiment of the universe and he dies to Cronos who loses to Zeus and Kratos beats his ass, very simple power scaling.
Thor can shake and damage the Yggdrasil in his clash with the World Serpent, this tree holds 9 universes and transcends the time & space of them along with the endless timelines, Ragnarok shook it and threatened it too as he destroys Asgard, Kratos scales to Thor and Freyr’ sword can clash with Thor’s hammer so Kratos scales cuz his Leviathan Axe scales to Thor’s hammer, again not hard to power scale once you know the lore and tiers.
Death Battle actually low balled both Asura and Kratos cuz they could of both been argued higher beyond finite numbers and universes but it is more complicated so I get why they went with this method yet the result would not have changed.
I think I could I made a better argument for Asura doing a bit better and making the fight closer cuz I scale him and know him more yet I agree Kratos more times than not wins, and I wish they did more in the fight to show for their power or make it closer like playing on Asura’s adaption but I love both and scale both so I’m happy this was well done overall tbh.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls I’m not say I don’t disagree with the results but people could argue that the helios feat is iffy and Kronos was chained up and not at his full power but I don’t know
And you could argue that The Blade of Olympus isn’t really in his arsenal or is
But most feats I agree with being valid and legitimate
@@michaelgarner4423 The Helios feat isn’t iffy people are dumb, he blocked his eyes from the light he can react to it, he can also fight Hermes who can dodge it, and they low balled the feat cuz the Underworld is stated to be infinite in size multiple times so what’s a fraction of infinite it is still infinite so it’s infinite speed either way. And this is just one feat, he’s got better feats and scaling to get even higher.
Cronos being chained up doesn’t matter, those who argue he isn’t at full power I just ask them okay can you give a quantification of how much weaker he is- which they can’t, and again he fought gods who can make infinite sized universes so any fraction of infinite is still infinite so it doesn’t matter, and he’s got better feats like scaling to the Yggdrasil which has 9 universes and it’s infinite in size and transcends them too, they just didn’t explain it the best.
You can argue either for the Blade of Olympus but he would be able to beat Asura to death and erase him with his superior conceptual attacks tbh it would just be harder ofc.
But that’s good that you understand it’s valid.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls you ever watched classic mand video about the fight?
He mentioned that Kratos was struggling to keep up with Hermes, and he had to use a boulder, and said “ oh I guess the boulder had infinite speed too” or something like that idk
Idk who to actually listen too
20:36 loved how Kratos goes back to his Old Voice
Love your content keep up the great work
The song they composed for this fight is kinda hard to hear but it's called Reidi (translation: wrath/anger) and it's entirely in Icelandic.
They focus heavily on Helios is because of the underworld feat because in game lore said that the underworld is like nearly un infinity realm that has elisium, Tartarus , some of death domain and hades realm plus the river Styx and he illuminati it in that fast meant as in his power /speed is compareble (exchangable ) and didn't bother to talk about the literal god of speed Hermis how stopped th consept of plagues and locust or Hercules .
Here we go!
The only problem is what classic man d said kratos was giving the blade of Olympus a weapon that he doesn't have and only used in an memory in raknorock. Asura should have won. They would rather anger the minority then the majority
To be fair without the blade, the spear would still give him the victory. He's a spartan through and through. A spear would be a weapon he's proficient with. A master, even. His speed feats were just explained weird. Besides he had other feats to better explain why he won. Even if he didn't tske the speed.
I mean classic is correct about the blade not technically being in his arsenal, but in memory
But I don’t actually know
I would believe that if over the years they hadn't shown bias for specific fights. The only time they do any research is dc vs marvel or anmie vs anmie. Even then the only reason Jonathan beat tanjiro is because they used the anmie version and not the manga because they didn't want to spoil demon slayer.
The reason I brought this up is because i used to respect death battle but after this fight it's clearly a show that only lets the more popular characters win
@michaelgarner4423 i mean, valhalla was a place Kratos could physically visit. So it stands to reason he'd be able to use the blade outside it. He didn't die, and it wasn't a memory or anything. Considering every other bit of his arsenal was in there too, it makes sense he could use the sword outside. But he hasn't been shown yet, so I don't know.
I think it's safe to say that when kratos has to face the Egyptian Pantheon, he'll have crazier feats that outweigh his current ones i dont think the fight would be as close then
You should give it Asura's Wrath a chance, despite how old is it by today standards, it still aged well
As for the fight, I'm pretty sure it was more of a popularity contest because there's some ass pulls that made Kratos win, there's no way for Kratos to make Asura's angry enough to unleash his full power and at full power Asura crawled out of the underworld in a single day and the alternate ending shows what actually happens when he uses his full power
Funny thing is, I've seen even Kratos fans disagree with the outcome of the fight, which I gotta say, was an unexpected outcome
Asura’s wrath is a game that really didn’t get the love it deserved.
Being a Capcom game, it had to reach an absurd amount of sales in order to be considered for a sequel.
When the company that made the game realized that it wasn’t going to get a sequel, despite having the game end on a cliffhanger.
So they instead made DLC that basically wrapped up everything.
Sadly, the branch of Capcom that made the game has since gone to Defunked and shutdown.
The cool thing too about 2:43 is Kratos fulfilling that prophecy without knowing Zeus was his father, he was already plotting revenge with the titans throughout GOW2 but did not find out until the end of that game. So it's not like he said, "you're my father and I'll kill you like you killed your father", he was more like im pissed at you for killing me, oh... You're my father too, is that supposed to mean something? Lol
I think a much better comparison for speed and kratos would be hermes. It seems like hermes still has his ability to run between the afterlife and Olympus, which could be argued as "crossing a universe". Kratos definitely outsped him and he even boosted his speed with his shoes.
I think it's fair to use Helios' speed, since Kratos can react to someone going that fast. Using your metaphor, it would be like dodging the punch of someone who could react and dodge a flashlight beam before it hit them. Reaction speed is usually what matters most in a fight, and that's what they're mainly trying to get at, I believe. So even if Kratos can't match Helios' speed, he can react to it and get out of harm's way, which is still just as impressive and all that's really needed. I think.
Greek is far far stronger then Norse, and bro Kratos was holding back in Gow4 and 5 plus the DLC until the very end soooo😂❤
He’s definitely much stronger in his Norse era, he can still fight as well as his Greek self at times while still holding back
They kinda bring up the weakest example of Kratos reacting to Helios’ light but a better example is the Hermes fight where if you use Helios’ light flashes Hermes can dodge it and it was confirmed by the Devs this was meant as a legitimate demonstration of his speed, and Kratos in turn can strike Hermes with a number of attacks. GoW has many more examples of great speed feats in its established lore but DB wasn’t gonna acknowledge the really extreme stuff.
Hey, if you ever play Asura's Wrath, I'd 100% watch your own full analysis on the accuracy of this fight. On another note, if you're looking for other mythical content to react too at some point: there's this rapper on RUclips called Rustage whose made some pretty dope raps based on mythological figures (Anubis and Sun Wukong are two examples.) Those would be pretty need for a reaction. Just a suggestion.
I really enjoyed the video!
The only thing really missing for me was seeing a greater variety of weapons, items, or magic being used.
Technically, the Blades of Chaos can absorb the life force of enemies to empower and heal Kratos, as shown in the novelizations of the first two games. In theory, they could probably drain Asura as well. However, since the Blade of Olympus is the stronger weapon, it makes sense to use that instead.
I’m not sure who summoned Kratos to Gaia in front of Asura’s daughter-whether it was her or someone else-but using the threat of danger to his daughter was a strong way to start the fight. That said, it could have been executed better. Overall I really enjoyed the battle.
I'm not sure, but i think that smirk kratos does when he's about to stop the Asura the destructir fist is a reference to a censored version of a cutscene in the original god of war that replaced a trapped soldier with an undead you have to sacrifice to progress. In the original scene Kratos says the gods demand sacrifice from all of us, and the scene ends. In the censored with the undead, he just evilly smirks at the undead when he realizes the same thing-because it doesn't make sense for him to say that to a mindless undead. I could be wrong, but that's my guess.
In the battle with Hermes, he's injured, but you can use Helios' head-even the omnidirectional light burst-against him and Hermes can dodge it. After you best him, you take how winged shoes which gives you his full speed. In gameplay that's not as impressive as what his actual speed would be. Cory balrog has gone on record stating that gameplay is not the limit of what the character can do, they made a lot of concessions for player enjoyment and limitations of the system/engine the game is on
24:13 no, you wouldn't, but you would be if you react point blank to it and put your hand up before it flashes you.
But to be fair helios did pronounce his attack (Feel the power of the sun) so I think it as fast as you say it with all due respect
@robertjohnson6569 yeah but if you say "feel the power of my stick!" Before flashing a flashlight on your boy's face, they are still not gonna cover the light before it shines on them as long as they move when you flip the switch on.
@@robertjohnson6569 that still wouldn't chenge anything though, Kratos does not become faster by hearing a mfr say anything.
Would your friend become faster than the light of a flashlight you just turned on and cover it before it shines on him because you said something like "feel the power of my stick!"? No, your friend wouldn't. He might be able to block before you turn it on, or aim dodge (the act of dodging before the attack is fired, usually by moving out of the attack's path before it's shot). But that wouldn't make your friend faster than the light of a flashlight because he reacted to you speaking, not to the light. Kratos reacted to the light, not ti Helios' one-liner, matter of fact he was grabbing one of his blades of Exile when Helios saud that, but put his hand right after that light was summoned and before it shined on him.
I played Asura's wrath when it came out and loved it. Just a heads up, it has A TON of quick time events. Like, a lot, a lot! Hope that's not a deal breaker for you. The game is worth checking out.
Asura's wrath is basically hit things until the win gauge is full. There's the base game then there were dlc chapters you could buy to get the full story.
As they said before, they're using more than Gameplay, because realistically you can't do a whole lot in game to show off "Infinite Speed" and all that crazy stuff that would be unrealistic to accomplish in modern gaming technology.
(However I do agree that the Helio feat was super weird)
honestly, even though I know this fight can go either way (though I am Team Kratos), I was surprised they did not mention or even list off Kratos's feats to beat Hermes and Hemdall as a contributor to his speed.
also, Asura's Wrath has two DLC's, the first one adds more story missions into the base game as the "true ending" to the game, and the second one is the Street Fighter crossover one
And then his daughter said: this is not the end with Gaia s voice
The Helios speed was weird, but Hermes has crossed universe-sized distances quickly in the lore too. And Thor shaking the World Tree also broke time, with time being one half of the speed equation, plus the shockwaves had to travel through the multiverse-sized tree itself. So the speed is consistently in that universe-crossing range, they just picked the dumbest feat for it.
Really, this is one of the happier Death Battle endings, since Asura can still resurrect from his remains (not soon enough to continue the battle proper, of course).
Asuras wrath was and is amazing even the dlc is great!
Yeah, the Helios speed thing did seem weird to me. My guess is they were trying to use that as a justification for how having that level of speed isn't enough to evade Kratos. That just because you're fast enough to match Helios doesn't mean you can rely your speed in a fight against Kratos. But the way they phrased it was weird.
Great video.
I think the point they were going with was his perception was fast enough to keep up with his asura's speed
In the conclusion there was a corner box that explains kratos scaling to Helios and the shockwaves were mentioned too it wasn’t just Helios
Also cool reaction
I actually met the Voice actor for Thor in God of War. But I remember him as Beta from the Walking dead
I think they should've gone with reaction speed instead, with Kratos reacting to Helios light attack instead of saying that Kratos matched his travel speed. I'm sure Kratos would also scale to characters who can either teleport or slow down time which would still give him a speed feat.
They should’ve mentioned Hermes. Hermes can actually dodge Helios’ light in the bossfight, and Kratos is able to react to and counterattack him.
@stellleo Yeah, explaining Kratos's speed feats could've been done a bit better, if anyone reading this wants a better explanation for his feats look up the G1 Death Battle Blog, they go into a lot more detail.
@stellleo A wounded Hermes but still he should be pretty quick.
I think y'all know you messed up when even the mythology expert can't explain what happened
Hey The Mythology Guy, in case you didn’t know, this isn’t Kratos’ first Death Battle, his first Death Battle was against Spawn, if you haven’t seen it yet, you should check it out though in case you are interested
PLEASE REVIEW KRAPOPOLIS! 😊 Ever Since I discovered that show, I've been hooked.
The funny part is there definitely is a way to put Kratos on par with Cronus at full power but they chose the way that doesn’t make sense
Basically asura and kratos are very similar and have feats that match each other
Kratos is a lore guy, all his good stuff comes from Lore. Asura is a gameplay guy, all his stuff is on screen and not words.
Also reaction speeds/combat speeds vs actual speeds. Even considering the “he knew the path” logic he would still have to time it at the right speeds.
12:42 GOW vs Anime GOW
15:18 Wait so all Divine Generals alongside Asura 's family reincarnated in Modern day ? Did Chakravartin too reincarnate?
What the Heck ?
14:41 Well Kratos Won , Asura lost
I thought Early Superman surpassing Infinity in comics was the most Mind -boggling thing i ever saw
Kratos’ highest feats are told not shown. But ashuras highest feats are shown not told. So they are comparing two completely different mediums.
Why did they put a gate on Helheim?
Because people were dying to get in.
My Opinion on this fight is really depends on what you buy for both characters as both have wincons, while I do agree with the winner, they did not do a good job at explaining why. Still I give this episode a 8/10.
Analysis would’ve been great if it wasnt for the Helios feat. They could just use Hermes and it explains much better.
I haven't played asura's wrath but it's a good watch
As a hardcore death battle fan (just see the types of videos I make if you want proof), I gotta be honest, this episode really disappointed me. Especially when it came to Kratos’ Characterisation. I wasn’t even too fond of the matchup itself, I was just excited to see Kratos get an episode that wasn’t Kratos VS Spawn. but to me… this wasn’t Kratos as he is now. It was Kratos when he killed the Greek Pantheon and that’s a bit disappointing. Excited for Ghost Rider VS Spawn tho
breaking news, god of the universe found dead in a ditch after upsetting local fathers daughter
The problem with this death battle was that either of them could've won depending on how you scale them, so it honestly gets a bit iffy
I never clicked a video so fast in my life
Me neither I was like ”FORGET SLEEPING I NEED TO WATCH THIS NOW”
Hey Mythology guy, if could please read this (im not forcing you) I would like to try and explain why Death Battle gave Kratos the speed feat.
I believe the reason why they gave it to him is that Assuming the chariot is as fast as Helios himself, While is very slow and in a predicable pattern they also explicitly state that they are looking at the characters at their best outside of gameplay restrictions. so kratos being able to tag Helios would fall under gameplay restrictions as no normal human is going to be able to Tag Helios who is quite possibly thousands if not millions of times faster than the speed of light while in completely random patterns.
this is not some sort of attack or hate comment, i love the video and others you've made, just an explanation as to why they gave Kratos the speed feat.
The chariot got shot down by a regular human catapult
it's not that fast
@@JillV2-e9g he didn't get shot down by a human he got shot down by kratos, regulars catapult or not
So if kratos uses a catapult
the catapult gets infused with kratos energy and suddenly stops just being a regular catapult
you see, how nonsensical that sounds what your trying to do, Is compare your extreme scale of how you personally belilive kratos operates on vs the relatively grounded take that the games have
@@JillV2-e9g Give superman a gun and he'll be able to tag the flash running millions of times faster than light with it. give a normal human a gun and they'll never be able to do so.
By your own logic Kratos doesn't have universal or even building levels of strength because if you gave a normal person the blades of chaos they won't be able to do what Kratos does
Saying this matchup was less obvious is a huge understatement, the debaters were tearing themselves appart because Kratos's advantages came through lore which some have doubts from what was shown in game like you've mentioned with Helios and Cronos. If you've asked on the DB community about this matchup, most would call it the lore vs feats debate because one relies on context while the other literally shows their capabilities. It's that kind of insanity.
Yeah, that's why I put more stock in feats over lore. In lore, you can write someone to be as powerful as you want and your universe be as crazy as you want; that doesn't matter if gameplay doesn't show it. And during gameplay Kratos struggles with locked chests, then proceeds to ram a guy through mountains during cutscenes.
What I'm trying to say is that Kratos's power is all over the place scale wise, even when taking lore into account, whereas Asura is shown to be consistently bullsh*t and gradually increase over the course of the game
@floricel_112the director of GoW, Cory Barlog, has mentioned this that he had to lowball kratos for gameplay sake and not take gamplay too seriously and look at lore for more accurate assessment
@@RAGEN99Asura's wrath writers managed to fit in his insane feats and outer space battles in a game and less reliant on guidebooks, why don't gow writers do the same? There is this thing we call immersion. It's really hard to believe that kratos can be sigmaversal based on his lore and novels and compare that to what he does in the games and cutscenes, they have a pretty huge disconnect
@pisaschitt787 I'm talking about minor things like opening chest and stuff (that some people took as argument), but some major ones like overpowering Atlas, killing Chronos, and killing Zeus is pretty convincing.
As a fan of God of War, I do think Kratos wins, it's just their reasoning for why he wins that urks me.
The whole Freyjr thing doesn't make sense, just because he has magic that can hold back Surtr doesn't mean he can scale to Surtr, much less beat him and much more less scale to Kratos.
Plus, it's very weird how they never brought up Kratos killing the Sisters of Fate in GoW 2. You'd think Kratos killing the deities who determine all events past, present, and future who are also trying to actively erase Kratos from existence would be a huge feat to mention, considering Chakravartin, the final boss of Asura's Wrath who ALSO constantly tried erasing Asura from existence during the fight. Maybe the Sisters don't have the same amount of power as Chakravartin, but it's still a feat that makes way more sense to use than assumptions about Freyjr.
Another thing, Deathbattle acts like Kratos can move at light speed or move FTL which has never been the case in the series. He can REACT to moves that fast, sure, but not actually move that fast.
Credit where credit is due though, I do agree with the Greek and Norse sides of GoW being their own universes as that explains how the hell the Shovel Knight fight and PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale are canon to God of War.
And yes, I know Deathbattle isn't a truly reliable source and at the end of the day they're made for entertainment, it's just sometimes they can have some real ass backwards logic. At least I can say this Deathbattle is a love letter to both franchises, especially Asura's Wrath
If Asura were to return. He is gonna fight Broly from Dragon Ball.
Now that fight would go crazy.
Isn't the more popular match up Adam?
While that may be a cool fight, I much rather have him fight Adam from Record of Ragnarok. It’s one of my most wanted MU’s thanks to its connections, and how much of a cool fight it sounds.
Besides I really want ROR to be in Death Battle. Dragon Ball already has a lot of episodes (and I’m someone who enjoys Dragon Ball), I want other manga/anime stuff to have this chance lol.
@@StarSeventeen Does Record of Ragnarok really have universal feats? I just feel like we don't see enough from Adam to warrant something from him