The Importance of Placement of Auralex® Acoustical Products
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
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Terry explains the methods of placement for absorption panels, bass traps and diffusors. He will also walk you through how to use the "mirror trick" to find first reflection points.
Products used:
Studiofoam® Wedges - 2'x2'x2"
LENRD® Bass Traps
T'Fusor Sound Diffusors 
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Him: Most important area is right behind your monitor
Me: *sweats profusely looking at the window behind my monitor*
Put a heavy curtain there instead!
Sad Can .. treat the window the same as you would treat dry wall.
add a layered blanket (furniture/mover's blanket) or drape your windows with theater quality curtains (soundproof cotton curtains). you can also treat the glass on your windows with various insulation tools that can be found online, sometimes even in home improvement stores.
Hilarious
Lol SAMEEEEE
First, start by using a ray tracing diffusion algorithm to calculate the relative standing zones in your modeled listening area. Using these calculations, measure each piece of foamolex sonictech absorbotron exactly as pages 1 through 23 of your radiation histographic transform has described.
*fast forward*
*ENTIRE WALL IS FOAM*
And that's why diffusion placement is important.
That was funny lol.
10 years ago and still relevant!!! Great work.
These seem like a good addition to real Acoustic treatment.
This guy is REALLY good at presenting. The video is ultra informative. Thanks.
AuralexAcoustics Thank you for this CLEAR and informative video. This educated me further about how to properly place acoustic treatment.
Very helpful video even today in 2017. Thanks for the upload. Currently pimping my studio out.
Thanks for your comment! Even though this video is a little dated - the principles of Acoustics haven't changed!
thanks for the tip on separating the acoustic squares. I've always seen youtubers put them next to each other. I only have 24 small squares so ill try to separate them. Thanks!
@seifs4 The rooms that require the most Studiofoam coverage are spaces such as recording booths. The more coverage in your room, the more dead your sound. To find out how much coverage you need, you can use our Interactive Kit Calculator (IKC) or fill out a Personalized Room Analysis (PRAF) for a detailed explanation from our Application Specialists.
Hi Terry!
Thank you very much for this fabulous video!
Thanks for the tips. Looking forward to trying this when I get home from work later.
So glad I came across this video besides their products, it help me out a lot ... Thanks!
Glad we could help you!
In case you forgot who makes this product.... They'll remind you.
Infuriating, isn’t it? I felt it ruined the presentation. #overkill
I didnt notice it untill I saw your comment😂
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Great video. Thanks for posting.
this is exactly what I needed thank you!
I will definitely use these tips when building my studio!
so.. after 8 years u have studio?
Thanks for the insight; much appreciated.
Great video and explanation, thank you!
Thanks for the mirror tip
Thanks for the information Terry. I put acoustic foam in my 16yo boys room cause he's always playing online late at night with his headset on and screaming all the time waking everyone up. I only used a cheap acoustic foam but the difference is remarkable 👌🏼👍🏼
You seem to be a nice dad.
Of course if you are a serial killer or smth.
can u be my dad
This helped me immensely! Thank you so much!
Hi Keith - You're welcome! Thanks for your support!
shouldn't the first area you treat with acoustic foam be the first reflection points? ie. the side walls first then the ceiling etc..? Although bass travels out of the speakers from all directions, high frequencies are one direction. So wouldn't that mean that the wall facing you would be the last area you treat? Great video and very informative for beginners!
Awesome guide!
Hi, what if where you put that first acoustic foam (behind the speakers) there is a wall that is part of my desk. It has compartments there too that hold picture frames, and other stuff. Where do you suggest I put the acoustic foam. I have limited space and foam tiles. It’s in a bedroom that also has 2 doors, one to the bathroom and one to the hallway. The room is not in a square shape. I also want to do the best I can of making sure people outside my room here as less noise as possible. Thanks!
wow! really nicely made vid! helped me so much, thank you.
Great info man thanks, I'm gonna check out some of your products too.
Extremely helpful, thank you!
This stuff rly helps. My toms aren't ringing for as long after treating the room.
Great video.
Very helpful, thanks
love the video very helpful thank you so much
Thanks really for your best information.👍👍👍
Thank You!
Informative video thankyou
So helpful. Thank u
If you have enough foam can you cover the whole side walls just like the back wall?
Hey mate, good video, Just a question, would the tiles work just as well if you place them on a roof that's curved?
Thank you much!
Hi I'm Matty. Thankyou. So. Much. Sir. You. Have helped. Me.
what if you can't put your mixing/mastering desk and computer to the center of the first quarter of your room? is it still okay to place it slightly to the right of the room near the wall? i'm having quit a problem because of my bed size. so i'm not sure if that should affect my placement of acoustic foam panels.
I could you could help me out, @Auralex Acoustics
Thanks!
hey Im moving, and the room i have chosen for my studio has windows... would setting up infront of the windows be a bad idea for the acoustic treatment process?
@seifs4 On our main web page there is a dealer tab in the navigation. From there you can access the entire list of Auralex Canadia dealers.
What if I can afford to get enough panel to cover most of the side walls. Can I do that ? My little studio has a V-shaped ceiling. So, I need to get as much absorption as possible. Can I cover most of the wall or do I need to leave gaps ?
My music area is tight and I have the monitors close in the corners on an angle facing me, should I treat right behind where the back of the speaker faces the wall?
This is super helpful. In the room I want to build my recording studio in, one wall is curved so the corners aren't a perfect 90 degree angle. To make matters worse, the corners of the two straight walls on both sides of the curvy wall jut out a bit and don't even meet exactly where the curvy part of the wall starts. Any suggestions? Also, I'm new to this so I don't know much about this stuff. What happens if you cover all of the walls and ceiling with acoustic treatment?
@AlCopelandMusic to answer your first question, curved walls are always tricky in a smaller space, especially for a studio. One thing you could try is using shims on the curved wall to offset your treatment so they are in line and appear to lay across a flat surface. For instance, if a shim would be placed in the middle of the curve, another would be placed to it's right or left. The middle piece would be slightly longer to line with the piece set further out, that way the panel could be installed straight across the curve. For the second question, there is such a thing as over treating a room. If you were to cover all surfaces completely with our standard to 2" Studiofoam, it would take a lot of your high-end out, and feel very dry and dead. Same with bass trapping. You can over treat the low-end and again make the room sound dead, depending on your room size and layout. If you have any further questions, please feel free to reach out to us at support@auralex.com. Hope you found this helpful!
Sorry if this is a dumb question but, when you do the mirror trick, what loudspeaker are you looking for? Say if your friend is going across the right wall, would it be same side speaker or the left speaker? Help would be great ASAP as I am putting them up I today.
You prolly allready figured it out. But just to let anyone else that might be interested in this information.
If you place the mirror on the right wall - you are looking for the center of the cone on the left monitor - same goes for the other side.
Thats the first point of reflection and the critical spot! -
Some people then go further and look for leftside / leftside aswell.
Remember: Before you do the mirror trick, you need to be in the triangle of your listening position and the monitors.
Hope this helps a little.
how would it sound, using auralex foam for the entire recording area?
whats better to cover the wall behind my back? im in another position now, monitors are pointed to my face,but experiencing a lil reverb behind me, because my back is almost against a wall, im thinkin bout the wedge or pyramid panels?
Thank you very much man ❤
Great very clear demo, but how much would it cost to have the installation that is seen at 1:21?
Would these methods work if im creating a drum studio? or would i need to compensate for the loundness/high frequencies of a drum set?
soooooooooooo sick of this shit - every bit of advice i get contradicts another
paul daniel you have to consider what genre of sounds are you going to introduce to your room. What someone might say works great with a bass guitar or metal might sound HORRIBLE for a hip hop genre or vocals.
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Wondering if foam panels work for me. I do video work. I need a plane wall behind me and my desk faces a window. Most of the noise I want to eliminate comes from the street. The windows are directly in front of my desk and I live in an apartment. Would panels work and if so, where would I stick them?
Thanks for this Vid!!!
Does it make a difference if the flat side or pyramid side of the foam is facing the wall?
thanks for the info
what if my monitors are turned inwards a bit more? do i put treatment between or behind each one?
Nice, thanx!
I just built an aquarium in a cabinet, complete closed in with doors. With the doors closed, the aquarium equipment is making too much noise. I want to reduce the amount of noise coming out of the cabinet...any suggestions?
I thought about buying the studio foam (one with ridges or egg crate) and lining the inside of the cabinet. Will this be a good solution? Thank you.
Thank You
if i want to soundproof a room, do i just put those all across the wall? no space in between?
@drummingtrumpeteer69 It depends on the overall layout of the room. If you would like a Free Personalized Room Analysis, visit our Auralex.com to fill out a form along with a sketch of your room, and one of our Applications Specialists will be happy to provide treatment suggestions for your space.
Great tutorial! I have a 11x11 room that I want to do some recording. I want to install these sound proofing panels.
There is a window and 2 French doors. The room is not square. The French doors are at installed diagonally.
Question - What should I do about the window and doors? Do they need the panels?
Hi YakMan - Thanks for reaching out to us! I can give you a quick commentary on your windows and doors - we generally recommend using Portable Treatment (Stand-mounted Panels) to cover windows as they can cause unwanted reflection. If you also think the doors are a problem, you can either adhere Panels to them or again, simply use Portable Treatment to cover them. If you want a more in-depth analysis, we would be happy to provide with a great solution for your specific room! Please fill out our FREE Personalized Room Analysis Form (PRAF), and we can give you a diagram/drawing of your room with acoustic treatment panels placed in the locations that will help the most in your space. It can be found here: www.auralex.com/praf/
Please let us know if you have any other questions! - Auralex
Thanks for the response. Also, in my room I have chair-rail moulding that is 3 ft from the floor (not sure why I installed this so high).. but behind my desk/monitors..I have Rokit KRK 5s... and the top side of chair-rail sits almost to the top of the monitors. So I would have to put the foams right above the chair-rails.
In the video the guy says start about 1.5 foot above the floor.
Would my setup not be as effective to reduce echo in the room?
Hi YakMan - Every room is different and each one presents its unique challenges - we usually recommend starting your treatment about 1.5-3 feet off the ground. This helps to make sure you are wasting treatment down low or way up high where it most likely will be less noticeable when in a seated or standing position. The biggest concern in the room is making sure you are treating the first reflection points. .i.e. all places in the room where the speakers hit first. The back wall, from wall (behind monitors), side walls, and even ceiling are the first place you need to consider. In your case 3' off the ground shouldn't be a problem. I would still recommend you fill out a Personalized Room Analysis (PRAF) auralex.com/praf/ so we can make some better suggestions for you specifically. Let me know if you have further questions, Thanks! Auralex
What if you are on one side of a large room. Wall to the left, behind and in front of monitor, but a big open space to your right? I feel that giant space will mess with anything I put up on the walls I do have access to.
Probably a dumb question but is the foam reusable if you take them down and store them?
Thanks!
Other then the foam being sincerely worthless, this is good info on placement
is it a good or bad idea to put foam on the wall directly behind the monitors?
What would you do if you have window lets say to the right of the desk in video. how do you go about dealing with the windows
Hi Koios - There are a number of different ways to help control windows in a critical listening space. The first thing we recommend for windows is to get a thick, theater style curtain. We don't produce, but we usually like to suggest Rose Brand: www.rosebrand.com/ Our usual go-to method is to use a Portable Treatment option like ProMAX or a ProGO to create a "false wall" and cover the glass with absorption. The last way is the most difficult, but perhaps the best - to build a Window "Plug." Use some acoustic material cut to the exact measurement and shape of the window, and then use absorption material like Studiofoam or Fiberglass on the outside layer. Hope that is helpful!
If you would like a more customized plan of action for your particular room remember to submit a FREE Personalized Room Analysis on Auralex.com!
I bought the strongest most expensive double sided tape in the hardware store and it still falls off. Any other tips for putting up the bass traps?
what kind of glue do you use. is they take me off all the time thanks
Just what i was looking for! but I need larger panels!
What sort of adhesive would you recommend to fix foam panels to a wall?
Double sided tape
I read in another article from another acoustician that dampening the front wall is unnecessary simply because high frequencies project forward from the speakers, and 2 inch foam is practically useless for low frequencies. Instead it's best to use bass traps. I could be wrong but it did seem to make sense.
Pri yon Joni that does make sense but remember the louder the speaker level and the size room will impact how the forward high frequency will bounce back and forth from the back wall so that might be when the front wall absorbers come into effect.
Hi what size are these panels in the video the acoustic squares and the bass traps please as I'm turning my bedroom into a studio !! Thanks kindly Jade
Hi Jade - These are 2'x2' ft Studiofoam Panels, the Bass Traps are called LENRDs. They are 1' wide x 1' deep x 2' long. Here is more data on them: www.auralex.com/product/lenrd-bass-traps/ Let me know if you have any more questions!
Quick question, I am currently living in university halls & need to think of a method to stop sounds from leaking through the walls as my neighbours are complaining. would a set of absorption panels put in the right places and a pair of bass traps help me out?? If not what else could you suggest I do thank you.
Absorption panels eliminate reflections of a sound source within the room; they don't necessarily stop sounds from going through the walls. If there is any difference, it would be very subtle, although it may not be enough to rectify the situation of sound travelling into other rooms nearby.
How thick should the foam panels be in your home studio?
Could I place something over them? Example would be a simple frame picture. Either it cover the whole foam or fit within the foam.
I'm asking to see if it's possible to reduce sound travel and still make the room look good. This would be used for an apartment complex living room.
It's been 7 years. I assume they are still finding a solution for you.
So if there is a few windows will this still help or is it just a waste of money?
simple n super 👌
and one last thing. i have treated the front wall and the side reflections. i will take care at the bass traps, fo;;owing yours instructions. Next should i go for the upper cealing or should i go for my back wall? the upper wall is 2m behind my mixing potition.
@GeorgeXydous It is a little unclear of what products you want to treat your space with and where. Please email support@auralex.com and we can discuss this further in more detail to get you the best solution for your space!
Hi, I have window on my right of the speakers. Should I be putting some foam there?
Hi Yash -
There are a couple of ways you can deal with windows in your studio space. The easiest way is to simply use a Portable/Stand-mounted option such as our ProMAX Panels to place in front of the window: www.auralex.com/product/promax/
You could also build a DIY window plug using Studiofoam as the outside layer. We have some tips and tricks on building those in our Acoustics 101 Resource: www.auralex.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/acoustics101v3_0.pdf
Hope that helps answer your questions - feel free to ask more you may have! - Auralex
Im doing voice-overs, is it better to treat my room or use the foam to create a booth to record in?
Gabriel Barinas Sánchez Hi Gabriel. Thanks for the question! For recording voiceovers we would recommend creating a booth with approximately 40-50% coverage. This depends on how "live" you would like your recordings to sound. If you would like more personalized advice please submit a Personalized Room Analysis Form (PRAF) at www.auralex.com/praf/
much like if you've ever moved home and you've emptied everything out of your living room you'll notice that the room is reverberating, which it never did before. that is because there isn't as much stuff in the room to diffuse the sound waves. with it empty the waves can bounce of the walls and corners straight back into your ear, and even carry on going for a second or so. pads help by adding more randomness to the remaining large flat areas of the room
@AuralexAcoustics im from canada, is there a canadian site that will work?
I'm trying to quiet my room so I can record, right now, there's a lot of noise from my ac & an echo that's annoying. What should I get for better recording?
Hi Apollo -Thanks for your question. We have a FREE Room Analysis Service for people like you who need advice and ideas for treating their spaces. Visit Auralex.com/praf and fill out the form - an Application Specialist will deliver you a 2D drawing of your space with Auralex Panels placed in the best locations.
Can you use just the foam for the entire room?
How could I treat a window? Would it work if I block the window by hanging a panel of its size?
mirror method just blew my brain into pieces
how is it possible for the diffuser to work as an absorber the way described if sound would not pass through the plastic into the absorber component?
With a diffusor like the T'Fusor, the shell reflects most high frequencies but lower frequencies (long wavelengths) travel through it easier. Backfilling it with loose insulation or absorptive materials like the SonoFiber shown will absorb some of that sound before it bounces off the wall. It effectively becomes a diffusor with low end absorption.
It's important to note that all physical materials absorb, reflect, and let sound transfer through at different amounts.
2 concerns up front. The first thing is NOT to put a single 1" foam panel on the front wall! What is true is what he says about the speaker-boundary reflection interference. Rather, the "1st thing" that should be done is to reduce that problem by pulling the speakers away from the front wall! No cost. Huge improvement! 2nd thing to do is to recognize that the speaker pressure interference cannot be solved by 1" foam! 1" foam works for tweeters (i.e. high energy), which is directional. Notice the tweeters and high energy is facing the room/mix position. So, 1" will be largely unhelpful here to solve that issue. It will be worthwhile for reducing "flutter echoes" if the rear wall is untreated. But to solve his mentioned problem of omnidirectional lower frequencies that DO bounce off the wall and reflect back to the mix position delayed, causing smearing, will require mass, depth, and low energy pressure treatment. Foam can be great for mid to high frequency issues though.
Hi Craig - Thanks for your comment. You are ABSOLUTELY correct about moving the desk away from the wall being a great first step to address speaker boundary interference issues. It would have obviously been better if Terry had mentioned that in this video, and explained that due to the setup of this particular room (a very small office here at our HQ) that placing the monitors and the desk any further back would block the entrance to the room.
To address your first comment about the panels used in this room - they are 2" Studiofoam Wedges Panels - if you look at the chart on this page: www.auralex.com/product/studiofoam-wedges/ you will see that 2" has significantly better mid-high, and mid-range performance than 1" Wedges. Studiofoam is a turn-key, small, easy-to-install, cost-effective, and reasonably broadband absorber that is great for controlling slap-back echo, flutter echo, and first reflection points (especially in small rooms and project studios). You are also exactly right about needing more mass and depth to combat lower-mid and low frequencies. These frequencies tend to congregate in the corners of the room, so that is where we tend to concentrate our deeper and larger LENRD Bass Traps. More info on them, including testing data here: www.auralex.com/product/lenrd-bass-traps/ I hope that helps to explain our philosophy and please let us know if you'd like to discuss anything further or have other questions. Thanks! ~ Auralex
This video is very informative, but I couldn't help thinking, that usually studio monitors would be facing the engineer... at an angle to form a triangle, unlike the zero degree angle the monitors in your video are facing, so my question is, would it not be more effective to have two smaller pieces of foam behind each monitor, because the triangular angle will have the backs of both monitors angleing away from the foam if it were placed in the centre like 6:50?
man you sound like Charlie Sheen. good video!
This is like Wall Street without the stocks.
That's the real reason he is putting up the acoustic panels. T
o limit Alans voice from echoing.
Definitely Charlie! 😂🤣😄😅😆😃
Nope, I’m getting his old dad, Martin Sheen, 100%
@Rile Stream I'm convinced there's something to that. Very often when you hear someone who sounds like another, there's also a slight or even striking resemblance between the two. I dunno, might be something like a certain shape mouth, face, etc. contributes to the particular voice someone has.
How do I know if should rather use wedge-shaped absorbers as opposed to pyramid shaped absorbers? And another question: What is your take on installing absorbers on the ceiling above the engineer's position?
Hi Thilos - Thanks for your comment! To answer your first question - there are slight differences in the performance between some of the cuts, but mostly it boils down to aesthetics. View the test results here: www.auralex.com/tools/testing-data/performance-data/ So we usually advise that it's more important that you select a Studiofoam pattern that appeals to you.
We frequently spec ceiling diffusion in many room designs we complete. Having diffusion is especially important in small rooms, live rooms (particularly with drums), and home theaters. Any listening environment where a "larger" sound is desired and a shorter ceiling may be hampering that quality. Typically above a mix position though, we would recommend absorption rather than diffusion to help tame as much direct reflections and slap-back as possible. Hope that answers your questions and please let me know if you have others!
Auralex Acoustics Thank you for your comprehensive response. It does help me a lot. Yet I have another question. I have a curtain (albeit a rather thin one) in front of the large-twin window behind my studio monitor in a midsized control-room, with no live instruments being recorded in that room except maybe keyboards or bass through DI. Do you think I can try if the the curtain is sufficient as an absorber? Since I deem it to be quite elaborate to put absorbers before the window (maybe hanging from the ceiling on a wooden panel). Besides I like the daylight.
In this scenario, if want to keep your windows/daylight we have a couple options: Our first recommendation would usually be to go get a larger, thicker curtain. That way you have a non-permanent solution where you can still use your windows. The other option would be our ProMAX Portable Absorption Panels. These are stand-mounted absorption panels that you can place in front of the windows (along with the curtain you already have) when you're doing critical listening and then move when you want to let some light in. Making a custom diffusor (or absorber) to hang in front of the window is also another good idea if you're handy and fancy a project.
4:36 Diffusors or... Transformers?? 😄
"Autobots! Diffuse the room!"
Can I turn the foam panels to look like a diamond? Will it effect the way that the sound gets absorbed or does it not matter?
No, that will be totally fine.
If i only use bass traps, this should dramatically lower the noise for my neighbours, right ?
regards
How should one plan to treat the room when there are windows?
Hi Moin - Thanks for your comment. This is a question we receive quite frequently. There are a couple ways you can handle this problem, but the first is to cover the window with a curtain. The thicker the curtain, the better - we recommend Rose Brand theater-style curtains. They can be pricey, but they have acoustic testing data to back their products and their quality is top-notch. Our favorite, simple option is to simply cover windows, glass doors, etc. with one of our Portable Treatment options like the ProMAX v2, MAX-Wall, or ProGO. These products make it easy to cover glass when you need to and then can be easily moved to let sunlight in when you don't. The other option is to build a custom window plug. Auralex carries a number of raw materials that can be used in the construction process. View our Acoustics 101 document for more information, windows are discussed on page 31. www.auralex.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/acoustics101v3_0.pdf
You can attach the panels to a piece of wood and use suckers to put them and remove it from the glass when you want. It works very well.
HI! How much foam panels & bass traps needed to treat a really small room....Room size (length 9ft, width 5ft, height 9ft)...reply would be really helpful thanks.
Hi DJ Nonie - Thanks for your question! The answer is it depends on what type of room you are treating and what you would like it to sound like. But with a smaller room like that, our most simple recommendation would be the Alpha-DST Roominator Kit. www.auralex.com/product/alpha-dst/ This kit has (4) LENRD Bass Traps and (64) 1'x1' DST Studiofoam Panels & adhesive. Please let me know if you have other questions.
Thank you for the informative video but I feel like you left out a lot of information and advice that could vital to proper installation as well as customer satisfaction.
For instance I just bought my treatment kit from Auralex for Christmas and the only thing that I found in 4 boxes containing diffusers, Bass Traps, and Foam was one sheet of double sided mounting tape which isn't even enough to mount all the foam that was provided.
Thank you again for the helpful video but when Auralex doesn't provide Instructions or any reading material with the product packages they force us to use other means of education that may not be tailored to the product causing issues or forcing some of us to put off an install until we can speak to a rep. I will definitely be using your advice once I start installing but until I watched this video I thought the diffusers were to be hung from the ceiling some how(lol)
Anyways my point is there is a lot of room for improvement in these videos and there should be one that includes this information along with everything need for a full install
Hi Chance - I apologize your Auralex out-of-box experience was less than ideal. There should have been an installation guide in the box, was it missing? Please send an email to appsupport@auralex.com letting us know the type of kit and we will be sure to get you the info you need!