The advertising for it, was to show how 17W performs on par with the Z1E on 30W....2230 I worry about overheating. 2280 do so much better with thermals
And at this point you’re better off waiting for 3rd gen of ROG Ally, tbh. Since the perfect time to buy was during the sales at 699 instead of 799. And that’s the only reason I got it. But I’m sure having a blast.
@@chalostrapsGot a perfect open box for 650... which was offset 330 by trading in an old iPhone 13 to best buy. I'm really impressed and if the claw is only 3 frames better I'm keeping the x no need to go the extra mile to get the claw especially for 900
I'm just glad the intel handheld chip has improved and that the Claw 8 isn't getting the criticism that the Claw had when released and compared to Ryzen powered handheld.
Msis claims seem sus they shared a bar chart showing that the claw is much better with old games boasting a 115% performance increase in metro 2033 saying rog ally is only able to get 44fps which i dont even believe 😂 . Very strange
So happy I could get the lenovo legion go on black friday deal for 473 usd new on amazon . This MSI Claw is 900 usd, just to get 3 more fps. no thanks. The last gen amd chip z1 extreme still on par with the latest from Intel. Not to mention Intel have to resolve their drivers issues.
When you compare it to the price of the ROG Ally X, it's a lot more reasonable, but still the more expensive unit. I was really hoping this was going to be a lot better, I have the ROG Ally Z1E and was hoping to trade it in and use some gift cards to finish off the rest. It looks like I am going to be better off waiting. At the same time, pretty sure there is an embargo on the claw right now and not sure if this unit would have the most up to date Drivers.
I feel you. I was originally going to get the legion go for that screen but i ended up getting the ally becasue it was a bit more portable. Got mine on a black friday sale and got an 8tb ssd and 1.5 tb sd card that was on sale too. Its absolutely nuts having your entire game library on the go.
MSI Claw 8 AI+ emerges as the top choice for gaming enthusiasts looking for a handheld device that offers better frame rates and smoother gameplay, particularly at lower power settings.
At this point don't even bother buying the claw. $899 just to have the same performance as an Ally X. I really thought it was going to out perform the Ally X but I guess not.
yeahhhhh im gonna have to keep my ally x on this one. VRR is a vastly greater advantage that is held over all other PC handhelds that only the ally has done so far. It's good that other companies are starting to catch up whether performance or battery life but nonetheless, The ally has been out longer and holds a bigger advantage than the MSI claw 8 Ai+. Can't imagine how much more powerful the Z2 extreme will be compared to the intels latest chips. Intel has to step up if they want a chance against AMD at this rate.
People in this comment field is so dellusional, Z2 will not be a next gen step up. The technology isnt there.... What the Z2 chip will do is almost the same performance the Allly X already has but on lower tdps. Thats the endgoal, stable 40-60 fps with great framepacing(the most important). TThe Z2 extreme will not be a PS5 or XSX performance hardware.... Its will perform like 5-15 % better and thats like 3-10 fps in the end. I repeat you will not be able to crank to the graphics up with 60 fps on next gen, their priority is efficiency... Switch 2 will come up soon with DLSS upscaling and like 5-8 h batterylife and performance as Steamdeck and the rest will get ducked because in the end if batterylife and stable FPS with great game catalogue is there why even buy PC nerd handhelds? I love them because it has possibilities but its not optimal for gaming
Maybe just compare products that are in the same price range. 890m handhelds are still niche and expensive. A better comparison would be with z2 extreme handhelds, whenever that comes out.
@@theo5675 Thing is though with other channels the 890 m weas doing 10% better than the ally x. The claw seems to be more in between the 880m and 890m. Its supposed to be much faster than whats showing here and I have to think its driver issue. Most of these games arent optimized for the arc gpus while theyre already optimized off the bat with amd.
So at 30W, MSI Claw does not look good at all- on par or even slower than Rog Ally X. Seems like intel is most efficient at lower TDP and the performance increase is diminished while using higher TDP. That is not good at all, since it makes the MSI Claw obsolete at 30W when we are looking to squeeze more performance.
@@acwbit2368 also bigger screen msi have configured this device to run games at 17w in return even more battery life 5 hours is what there claiming id be happy with 4 lol
The Z1 Extreme 2 will be released in 2025. The fact that they only somewhat matched the Z1 Extreme is kind of disappointing. They say that if you're trying to catch up, you're already behind, especially in technology.
The advertising for it, was to show how 17W performs on par with the Z1E on 30W....2230 I worry about overheating. 2280 do so much better with thermals
Z1e still can not be dethroned.
Not much difference. The z1 extreme is still a beast. I ll keep my rog ally and wait for the z2 extreme.
Only 2-3 fps difference im not really impressed so far i was holding out for this over ally x
And at this point you’re better off waiting for 3rd gen of ROG Ally, tbh. Since the perfect time to buy was during the sales at 699 instead of 799. And that’s the only reason I got it. But I’m sure having a blast.
@@chalostraps same here brought it just over 2 weeks ago for 399 new and is insane for what it can do
@@ek3jay828 exactly best decision this spending season.
8 inch screen bro i might sell my ally just for that and bigger battery
@@chalostrapsGot a perfect open box for 650... which was offset 330 by trading in an old iPhone 13 to best buy. I'm really impressed and if the claw is only 3 frames better I'm keeping the x no need to go the extra mile to get the claw especially for 900
I'm just glad the intel handheld chip has improved and that the Claw 8 isn't getting the criticism that the Claw had when released and compared to Ryzen powered handheld.
I'm so confused I just watched a video and the claw was ahead by like 20 to 50% and thats. What msi claims as well. Is this legit
Msis claims seem sus they shared a bar chart showing that the claw is much better with old games boasting a 115% performance increase in metro 2033 saying rog ally is only able to get 44fps which i dont even believe 😂 . Very strange
No doubt, go for MSI claw 8 AI+ , its launching on 15, January 2025. Performance is good and best for high ending games.
Remember this device doesn’t officially release until 1/25/2025. I’m sure optimized drivers and bios will be released by then.
So happy I could get the lenovo legion go on black friday deal for 473 usd new on amazon . This MSI Claw is 900 usd, just to get 3 more fps. no thanks. The last gen amd chip z1 extreme still on par with the latest from Intel. Not to mention Intel have to resolve their drivers issues.
When you compare it to the price of the ROG Ally X, it's a lot more reasonable, but still the more expensive unit. I was really hoping this was going to be a lot better, I have the ROG Ally Z1E and was hoping to trade it in and use some gift cards to finish off the rest. It looks like I am going to be better off waiting. At the same time, pretty sure there is an embargo on the claw right now and not sure if this unit would have the most up to date Drivers.
I feel you. I was originally going to get the legion go for that screen but i ended up getting the ally becasue it was a bit more portable. Got mine on a black friday sale and got an 8tb ssd and 1.5 tb sd card that was on sale too. Its absolutely nuts having your entire game library on the go.
Its still the best of handheld even with outdated drivers It plays really good. And with that screen we dont need eagle eyes for the 7"ers.
MSI Claw 8 AI+ emerges as the top choice for gaming enthusiasts looking for a handheld device that offers better frame rates and smoother gameplay, particularly at lower power settings.
That's if the Z1 Extreme isn't using frame-gen.
wait for intel xess2 driver out and test again
So can we conclude that 258v is just as good as z1e ? I expected it'll be more performant tbh
More performant in some ways, but far more efficient
You should do onexfly f1 pro Eva vs MSI claw 8 Ai+
So they finally match the Z1E right before the Z2 releases.....
What do you think about the 7inch MSI Claw AI+? Would you prefer a lighter and smaller or a bigger screen and size?
I’m a little confused. Why is the ram barely being used here? Isn’t there supposed to be a 32 gb and it’s using the same amount as the ROG Ally X?
you most be stupid...
At this point don't even bother buying the claw. $899 just to have the same performance as an Ally X. I really thought it was going to out perform the Ally X but I guess not.
8 inch screen
2-3 more fps yes but what about battery as well ?
Cpu pagepower is not the right metric to use here, since intel's cpu power include ram power.
Why the % of the 2 GPU are not nears 100% but only 40-60% ?
Low o mid TDP
Was pretty hyped on this but there ain't a justifiable difference for me
there are many differences, in this MSI is offering 8 inch screen and the main point is there is two Thunderbolt 4 ports
MSI said 258v is 20% faster than the Z1E, now it is just 3 fps faster, around 5% faster, plus the intel driver issue, I will keep using my rog ally.
yeahhhhh im gonna have to keep my ally x on this one. VRR is a vastly greater advantage that is held over all other PC handhelds that only the ally has done so far. It's good that other companies are starting to catch up whether performance or battery life but nonetheless, The ally has been out longer and holds a bigger advantage than the MSI claw 8 Ai+. Can't imagine how much more powerful the Z2 extreme will be compared to the intels latest chips. Intel has to step up if they want a chance against AMD at this rate.
ally with VRR looks so much smoother than the claw. or maybe im biased idk
i Claw 8 has VRR too)
They both have VRR.
People in this comment field is so dellusional, Z2 will not be a next gen step up. The technology isnt there.... What the Z2 chip will do is almost the same performance the Allly X already has but on lower tdps. Thats the endgoal, stable 40-60 fps with great framepacing(the most important). TThe Z2 extreme will not be a PS5 or XSX performance hardware.... Its will perform like 5-15 % better and thats like 3-10 fps in the end. I repeat you will not be able to crank to the graphics up with 60 fps on next gen, their priority is efficiency... Switch 2 will come up soon with DLSS upscaling and like 5-8 h batterylife and performance as Steamdeck and the rest will get ducked because in the end if batterylife and stable FPS with great game catalogue is there why even buy PC nerd handhelds? I love them because it has possibilities but its not optimal for gaming
Wish we could actually see the difference and then maybe the stats
You should of put it against the new 890m handhelds but amd still better though
It’s pretty much the same compared to the 890m
The 890m really isn’t much improvement over the ally x
Maybe just compare products that are in the same price range. 890m handhelds are still niche and expensive. A better comparison would be with z2 extreme handhelds, whenever that comes out.
I don't know if they can afford it. It's more expensive than the Claw
@@theo5675 Thing is though with other channels the 890 m weas doing 10% better than the ally x. The claw seems to be more in between the 880m and 890m. Its supposed to be much faster than whats showing here and I have to think its driver issue. Most of these games arent optimized for the arc gpus while theyre already optimized off the bat with amd.
This why I don't need steam deck 2 not huge different plus after it was a pc
Ok looks like there is no need to upgrade my Ally X yet. 3FPS difference isn’t worth it. I’ll just wait for the Z2 upgrades
And now disable HT / c States and config E and P core boom 30% more power
msi claw 8ai has 256v second gen chip.Its a wrong chip benchmarked and obviously is much better than older780m
Mong đợi lần cập nhập bios mới tiếp theo sẽ cải thiện hiệu năng của Msi Claw 8 Ai +
Rog ally forever
Better compare with Z2,because ITS 2nd gen
Z2 will crush MSI XD
i have the ally X. and i love it. intel is a clown lol
Ally over everything
3 teraflop vs 4 for new intel lunar lake. Disappointing intel drivers still sucks.
Teraflops mean nothing you monkey. Specially when comparing hardware from different companies using different technologies. How dumb can you be?
5% stronger, ill stick with ally X for sure.
ALLY X is still GOOD!
So at 30W, MSI Claw does not look good at all- on par or even slower than Rog Ally X. Seems like intel is most efficient at lower TDP and the performance increase is diminished while using higher TDP. That is not good at all, since it makes the MSI Claw obsolete at 30W when we are looking to squeeze more performance.
Is this video encouraging everyone to wait for z2e😂
selling my ally x for this thank you for this video imo ally x screen too small
for 2-3fps?????????
Not worth an additional $100 + tax for margin of error performance differences lol
Not to mention, ASUS has superior device support.
You might as well get the go if you want big screen. The claw 8inch is too expensive
@@acwbit2368 also bigger screen msi have configured this device to run games at 17w in return even more battery life 5 hours is what there claiming id be happy with 4 lol
@@jackykwan2580 had the go bit bulky tbh but missed the screen size coming from the go to ally x
I love my asus rog ally!!!))
900euro for, we say in German Augenkrebs. This ist too overprice at all...
The Z1 Extreme 2 will be released in 2025. The fact that they only somewhat matched the Z1 Extreme is kind of disappointing. They say that if you're trying to catch up, you're already behind, especially in technology.
Less than 10% performance than an old AMD processor? Intel suck 🥱
Intel mobile gpu alwas suck