for me at 17 watts the comparison is incorrect but in favor of asus, lunar lake has the ram directly soldered to the processors so the ram is included in the tdp of 17w, it consumes 2w more just for the ram, while the hx365 actually consumes 19w with the ram because the 2w of the ram are not taken into account in the tdp of 17w so it would be necessary to test lunar lake at 19 watts to be equal in terms of tdp, same principles at 30 watts, I hope you will take this into account in your next comparison, if you want to make a real comparison on equal terms... I hope we will be pleasantly surprised by Intel but it seems promising for the moment, especially since the drivers are not yet fully optimized on the intel side especially compared to amd, to see when the msi claw 8ai+ will be released... have a good day everyone :)
In favor of ms not asusi i think, but yes in general the MOP of LL ideally means a fairer comparison would be for LL to be roughly 2w higher (which means potentially 1 fps more). Though i guess it makes things easier to digest for more people specially those unaware of things as MOP. At this point given the price difference between the 2 (more so if you consider claw 7 ai since it still has same LL apu, same memory, just smaller screen, reso ans storsge and is 100usd cheaper)
I got your point on F1 Pro's battery. On the other side, MSI claw 8 AI+ have good battery life, solid in performance. Great option for a long game session.
Man its neck and neck but the price is the deal breaker for most people. Until we get an affordable z2 extreme variant, most people should get the claw.
Brings a lot of pressure to z2e. With z2e probably based of 370, we should expect around same numbers (the same with z1e vs 7840u). My one concern with z2e is there is.still no confirmation if the igpu will still be 890m. My fear is they might gimp it and use the 365 igpu which is an 880m (kinda aligns with z1e using 780m as well) which means lower perf than 370. Hopefully not. In either case for z2e retain its strong hold on handheld, pricing should be aggressive and be nowjere near the astronimical prices of the 370 handhelds announced so far (gpd, onexplayer, i think ayaneo too)..im hoping they can retain the 700 msrp for the "base" z2e and just go up from there. Starting at 800 gives way more room for msi to grab more of the market
My concern about getting the next device with Z2E is we are stuck with only the company who releases the device to port over graphics drivers like the Z1E. Yeah you can side load but you cannot just update drivers on the AMD performance app.
Really impressed with Intel here, they've always been the iGPU laughingstock. Great to see they apparently have started to take things a bit more seriously and are shaping up to be good competition.
Are these with new driver updates from Intel? The last video with the Claw 8 ai+ showed it being about the same as the ROG Ally X. Settings and frame rates in the Claw are higher now while everything was set to low for the Ally X comparison.
Can’t wait to see people selling their OneXFly, for those who already spent $1500 just to enjoy a month of ahead. Now companies will release their model with the same chip and cheaper.
for me at 17 watts the comparison is incorrect but in favor of asus, lunar lake has the ram directly soldered to the processors so the ram is included in the tdp of 17w, it consumes 2w more just for the ram, while the hx365 actually consumes 19w with the ram because the 2w of the ram are not taken into account in the tdp of 17w so it would be necessary to test lunar lake at 19 watts to be equal in terms of tdp, same principles at 30 watts, I hope you will take this into account in your next comparison, if you want to make a real comparison on equal terms...
I hope we will be pleasantly surprised by Intel but it seems promising for the moment, especially since the drivers are not yet fully optimized on the intel side especially compared to amd, to see when the msi claw 8ai+ will be released... have a good day everyone :)
In favor of ms not asusi i think, but yes in general the MOP of LL ideally means a fairer comparison would be for LL to be roughly 2w higher (which means potentially 1 fps more). Though i guess it makes things easier to digest for more people specially those unaware of things as MOP. At this point given the price difference between the 2 (more so if you consider claw 7 ai since it still has same LL apu, same memory, just smaller screen, reso ans storsge and is 100usd cheaper)
F1 pro battery life sucks. After Rog ally x that 80W battery is a basic requirement for any handheld device worth to buy.
I got your point on F1 Pro's battery. On the other side, MSI claw 8 AI+ have good battery life, solid in performance. Great option for a long game session.
Man its neck and neck but the price is the deal breaker for most people. Until we get an affordable z2 extreme variant, most people should get the claw.
Brings a lot of pressure to z2e. With z2e probably based of 370, we should expect around same numbers (the same with z1e vs 7840u). My one concern with z2e is there is.still no confirmation if the igpu will still be 890m. My fear is they might gimp it and use the 365 igpu which is an 880m (kinda aligns with z1e using 780m as well) which means lower perf than 370. Hopefully not. In either case for z2e retain its strong hold on handheld, pricing should be aggressive and be nowjere near the astronimical prices of the 370 handhelds announced so far (gpd, onexplayer, i think ayaneo too)..im hoping they can retain the 700 msrp for the "base" z2e and just go up from there. Starting at 800 gives way more room for msi to grab more of the market
Wow these 2 are neck and neck or pretty much the same. I’m still holding out to see what then Z2 extreme can do
Z2 will be just like this and the hx 370
My concern about getting the next device with Z2E is we are stuck with only the company who releases the device to port over graphics drivers like the Z1E. Yeah you can side load but you cannot just update drivers on the AMD performance app.
Really impressed with Intel here, they've always been the iGPU laughingstock. Great to see they apparently have started to take things a bit more seriously and are shaping up to be good competition.
Higher ram frequency is the difference.
Are these with new driver updates from Intel? The last video with the Claw 8 ai+ showed it being about the same as the ROG Ally X. Settings and frame rates in the Claw are higher now while everything was set to low for the Ally X comparison.
Is there a 370 version of the onexfky?
What about the 370 version with the 890m igpu?
The F1 pro has this chip...
What are you like more? MSi or F1?
Bác test giùm mình hiệu năng rog ally x với onexgpu 1 vs onexgpu 2 dc ko ạ
That is ryzen hx 365 not the powerful 370 version no wonder it is weaker
Looking for this but with the ryzen 370 (faster Chip) 😅. But ty❤
intel did good it seems
So the MSI Claw+ wins this one.. imo
you should have tested older games
One thing I learned is, stalker is so poorly optimized
I sold my Steam Deck OLED and Legion Go and bought the F1 Pro and pre-ordered the Claw 8.
Can’t wait to see people selling their OneXFly, for those who already spent $1500 just to enjoy a month of ahead. Now companies will release their model with the same chip and cheaper.
Empire strike back 😂
Está vez ganó la MSI, pero por el precio, el otro es una marca china muuuy reciente con precios demasiados abusivos
pretty same
have you seen the pricing? :D
@@johngamer2007 I guess it depends on if you want OLED or not.
why you test in such bad settings
1080p medium isn't bad for handheld pc
Agree.
Intel just can not win
Wdym? These two are about the same here 😂
@PixelatedWolf2077 it is not 890m and will cost more and intel said it is a one off