1:01 - A tragic view of human history 7:04 - Why did it take so long for civilization to arise? 13:31 - Fallibilism 21:32 - Cultural relativism denies improvement 24:03 - Richard Dawkins and indigenous ways of knowing 26:49 - Chemical scum that dream of distant quasars 31:38 - The era of man 37:55 - People are unlike any other force of nature 42:51 - The dangers of regulating AI 48:09 - Are we running out of resources? 54:21 - Everything in existing educational theory is wrong 1:11:30 - When David met Richard Feynman 1:17:33 - Everyone is a Popperian 1:20:16 - Only progress is sustainable 1:26:00 - The biggest threat to Western civilization
11:40 bucket Theory and how learning as actually works 54:00 the issues with current education system, and how it misconstrues almost everything 1:00:00 how education of children is perverse. It aims to make kids all the same, so they can be creative later - a contradiction 1:02:00 disobedience has a deep connection with creativity 1:12:00 why physics has stagnated 1:15:00 why we can have hope for physics and educational theory 1:17:00 Darwinism is a philosophical theory 1:18:10 everyone Is a popperian in the area they’re really good and creative at 1:21:55 find a problem, fall in love with it, and live with it for the rest of your life 1:26:55 weapons in the hands of enemies of civilization in David’s biggest worry 1:27:50 David thinks AGI won’t require large compute. On the order of 2 GB in size
Every once in a while Deutsch explains things in a new way. If falibalism is true how can we ever know anything? “Although we can never know that we are right about something , we can know that we don’t have any additional criticisms about it.” I have been asked this before and it is such a good response. Chefs kiss
The probable reason why clocks still use I, II, III, and IIII is because of symmetry on the clockface. A clockface has four ones (I, II, III, IIII), four fives (IV,V,VI,VII), and four tens (IIX, IX, X, XI) = twelve hours divided up into 3 sets of 4 of the same symbols.
Not sure if David is familiar with models of human development like Spiral Dynamics. But they do nicely explain, that while humans might have had the brain capacities, they didn't have the psychological complexity yet to "be like us." So the Spiral Dynamics colors/stages describe how humans and societies throughout history moved through increased complexity of circumstances, and thus evolved their ability to model and organize the world according to higher values, which too were being discovered. In a sense, both our circumstances and our psychology evolved overtime through these Spiral stages.
Deutsch says he doubts John Cleese had ever heard of Popper. This is Cleese, in a list of his favourite books: "To me, Karl Popper is the best philosopher of science of the last century. " I corrected David Deutsch! Do you know how good that feels? lol
Some African countries had access to the steam engine before the Chinese and they let it rot once they kicked out the British, we cant begin to talk about bad ideas until we completely change the way we think.
I think the reason that for hundreds of thousands of years there was no progress is because, they didnt have explanatory models for their discoveries. Perhaps the knowledge to "improve" something was either implicit, or accidental. In other words they were able to recognise improvements in terms of end results (pragmatism) but not able to reason about the internals / the knowledge that makes it an improvement due to it being accidental or implicit. By implicit I mean some cognitive subsystem may internally hide the knowledge where its inaccessible to lend itself to a broader explanatory framework - the latter is something that makes creativity a universal thing rather than a special case thing.
Q: "explain why human history is long period of complete failure?" Lack of scientific progress isn't due to lack of creativity, but a priority. With respect to indian subcontinent, earlier generations had little interest in material aspects of life. There was immense importance to religion, rituals and attaining enlightenment. This is partly the reason for lack of scientific progress.
The history of the beginning of England's wealth, wool and canals is incorrect. See Erik Reinert's brilliant book: How Rich Countries Got Rich and Why Poor Countries Stay Poor. Henry VIi brought in a new protectionist taxation system to England which changed England from being an exporter of raw wool to a manufacturer of woollen textiles.
Disapointing. Fire is as old as Homo Erectus. Language is the key Meme replicator of Sapiens. Writing is the accelerant. Institutions emerg from the compound of these.
This in-person interview with David just feels different. Wonderful outdoor setting as well and timeless content. Great job, Arjun!
What a fricking treat this was. I’d love to meet David someday, I’d travel just to see him speak
The worst thing about David is that his statements are so inspiring and thought provoking that I have to rewind because I got lost in thought
I think rewinding is the essential key to improve your understandment of anything. You can’t only go forward
Yep I agree. I usually listen to his interviews at least twice
Wonderful interview! Always a joy to hear Deutsch and marvel at his mind and wisdom.
14:56 this 2+2=4 bit was absolutely mind-blowing, right from the primary school example as ‘wrong’
Lovely interview. I like how you let David speak without interrupting. Very good questions as well. Good setup visually.
1:01 - A tragic view of human history
7:04 - Why did it take so long for civilization to arise?
13:31 - Fallibilism
21:32 - Cultural relativism denies improvement
24:03 - Richard Dawkins and indigenous ways of knowing
26:49 - Chemical scum that dream of distant quasars
31:38 - The era of man
37:55 - People are unlike any other force of nature
42:51 - The dangers of regulating AI
48:09 - Are we running out of resources?
54:21 - Everything in existing educational theory is wrong
1:11:30 - When David met Richard Feynman
1:17:33 - Everyone is a Popperian
1:20:16 - Only progress is sustainable
1:26:00 - The biggest threat to Western civilization
Thank you so much
I didn't expect such a good podcast host with not as many subs as he deserves. Keep going Arjun!
Thanks, Arjun, for sharing. Keep up the work!
Worth comming here just for this nugget: "Only progress is sustainable"! Great job Arjun!
11:40 bucket Theory and how learning as actually works
54:00 the issues with current education system, and how it misconstrues almost everything
1:00:00 how education of children is perverse. It aims to make kids all the same, so they can be creative later - a contradiction
1:02:00 disobedience has a deep connection with creativity
1:12:00 why physics has stagnated
1:15:00 why we can have hope for physics and educational theory
1:17:00 Darwinism is a philosophical theory
1:18:10 everyone Is a popperian in the area they’re really good and creative at
1:21:55 find a problem, fall in love with it, and live with it for the rest of your life
1:26:55 weapons in the hands of enemies of civilization in David’s biggest worry
1:27:50 David thinks AGI won’t require large compute. On the order of 2 GB in size
He comes across better here than on Twitter!
Thanks!
Thank you for supporting Arjun!
Every once in a while Deutsch explains things in a new way.
If falibalism is true how can we ever know anything?
“Although we can never know that we are right about something , we can know that we don’t have any additional criticisms about it.”
I have been asked this before and it is such a good response.
Chefs kiss
excellent, good job. thanks!
Thanks for this. Love Deutsch!
Genius...can you explain how to make a campfire, great intro, I’m sold! 🙈
The probable reason why clocks still use I, II, III, and IIII is because of symmetry on the clockface. A clockface has four ones (I, II, III, IIII), four fives (IV,V,VI,VII), and four tens (IIX, IX, X, XI) = twelve hours divided up into 3 sets of 4 of the same symbols.
Hell Yeah!!!!!! Great work Arjun!
nice interview, and the ending was great 😂
Wonderfully optimistic interview!
Hear's to inhomogeneity 👍 ❤️
Not sure if David is familiar with models of human development like Spiral Dynamics. But they do nicely explain, that while humans might have had the brain capacities, they didn't have the psychological complexity yet to "be like us." So the Spiral Dynamics colors/stages describe how humans and societies throughout history moved through increased complexity of circumstances, and thus evolved their ability to model and organize the world according to higher values, which too were being discovered. In a sense, both our circumstances and our psychology evolved overtime through these Spiral stages.
But what about group thinking, are you sure it’s not a logical farse.
Fantastic! 👏
Great interview!
Deutsch says he doubts John Cleese had ever heard of Popper. This is Cleese, in a list of his favourite books:
"To me, Karl Popper is the best philosopher of science of the last century. "
I corrected David Deutsch! Do you know how good that feels? lol
The 'nerve' that pigeon had to try and interrupt Deutsch's train of thought. 🐋
at 51:00 , sitting on the wool sack! omg thats very symbolic of power
Amazing work 💯
You can just see what a clear thinker he is.
Excellent!
Excellent. 😁
at 1:06:00, bucket theory and compulsary rules in education
The fire example was a 3/4 fail lol
There has been infinite cross fertalization before “ civilazitation” in nature and among peoples as well
Thanks for your efforts here Arjun! Absolutely loved this.
at 49:00 canals for prosperity, a new idea
Some African countries had access to the steam engine before the Chinese and they let it rot once they kicked out the British, we cant begin to talk about bad ideas until we completely change the way we think.
I think the reason that for hundreds of thousands of years there was no progress is because, they didnt have explanatory models for their discoveries. Perhaps the knowledge to "improve" something was either implicit, or accidental. In other words they were able to recognise improvements in terms of end results (pragmatism) but not able to reason about the internals / the knowledge that makes it an improvement due to it being accidental or implicit. By implicit I mean some cognitive subsystem may internally hide the knowledge where its inaccessible to lend itself to a broader explanatory framework - the latter is something that makes creativity a universal thing rather than a special case thing.
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what is the author that is referred with "papa" in the transcrips. i cant hear it out
Karl Popper
Ima call him karl papa from now on 😂
@@TheSinghisking4ever😅
When physicists discover epistemology for the first time…
Q: "explain why human history is long period of complete failure?"
Lack of scientific progress isn't due to lack of creativity, but a priority. With respect to indian subcontinent, earlier generations had little interest in material aspects of life. There was immense importance to religion, rituals and attaining enlightenment. This is partly the reason for lack of scientific progress.
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The history of the beginning of England's wealth, wool and canals is incorrect. See Erik Reinert's brilliant book: How Rich Countries Got Rich and Why Poor Countries Stay Poor. Henry VIi brought in a new protectionist taxation system to England which changed England from being an exporter of raw wool to a manufacturer of woollen textiles.
Canals did create prosperity for the Romans as well. The wealth of England very much rested on the colonies.
Disapointing.
Fire is as old as Homo Erectus.
Language is the key Meme replicator of Sapiens.
Writing is the accelerant.
Institutions emerg from the compound of these.
Looks like you'll soon have Elon Musk!
Thanks!