I am happy to find your channel on 12/31/2021 -- best time to find Hegel ideas of consciousness relevant to this time -- happy new year 2022!! -- who else has found Hegel on 12/31/2021 relevant to a new year -- may you find freedom
Beautiful lecture. Thank-you Mark, you have a gift for framing difficult texts in an accessible framework. I always visit your channel before I begin on a difficult piece to prepare myself better in grappling with it.
I very rarely comment on youtube however your commentary on the pholisophy of Hegel I have to say is exceptional and is helping me understand concepts previously beyond my grasp. Thank you
FYI, the proper English translation of Hegel's seminal work is "The Phenomenology of the Spirit". That last article is important. He's referring to his world spirit, specifically the spirit, not spirits or minds in general.
Jacques Lacan used Hegel and Freud to create his psychoanalytic theory. The problem with Freud is that he was not a philosopher, and his thinking was too literal. Lacan merged the two fields, which IMO is always welcomed. So Lacan is another way to look into the Hegel's idea of the creation of the self, although he is also difficult to read and understand. Hegel seems to be very good at looking into things in pure abstract and idealistic way. However he makes the mistake to develop practical constructions about the reality for which he doesn't have any base. This is where he sounds absurd to me. So in some sense, he is the opposite of Kant and his attempt to construct this proper base on which we can think. I know Schopenhauer hated Hegel with passion. And from this point of view, Hegel's work is really a regression to fairy tales. But on other side, Hegel is trying to answer much deeper questions. Which we really can't answer yet, but his attempt is still admirable and there is some truth in it.
I am completely in love with your videos on social and political philosophy. Can i just ask, why are there missing some? It seems like a big jump from Locke to Hegel :/
I love how you say, emphatically, that you aren't an Hegelian, but you tend to agree with most of his major concepts. Perhaps a bit of dialectical change happening unconsciously? I love these videos, and contrary to your spelling issues being a "problem" they are immensely endearing. My favorite is freedoom. Freedom contains its negation lol.
Truly illuminating lecture, but one would need to read between the lines of what Professor Thorsby says and read in your own interpretation based on the country you belong to and the types of governmental establishment you have in order to make sense, particularly on the bit on how he interpreted the full freedom a state and absolute freedom and consciousness. But you have to fit these concepts into your own type of statehood in question in order to make sense. Normally, the state is built of kinship spirit, alright, but then why do you think everywhere there is eventually a need for a constitution to be drawn up? During periods of undue fluxes, like more often at the conclusion of a war or to clarify a land status uncertainty, some governments have resorted to a covenant, too, in order to obtain your wishes. This is probably the aspect Hegel hasn't mentioned.
I guess animal's self-conscious intertwines with it's awareness of the environment. The mutual recognition is one of the distinctive characters of human being (maybe apply to other social animals).
I suppose Hegel did mean ghost but geist also means mind, I guess you differentiate meaning by context. I think Socrates said God's mind is in us all and we can know the truth through self examination of our current position. I wonder if that's where he got that idea from. Tnanks for the video anyway 👍
Things can come into existence from nothing, albeit for a brief moment. It's explained in the quantum electrodynamics vacuum. Even an absolute vacuum will have an occurrence of appearing and disappearing particles within it. The sum of particles within it remains at an average of zero. I guess that sort of explains how things can come into being from nothing.
In America, in the globalized world, many confuse freedom with the bliss of gluttony. I saw a 4th of July Budweiser beer commercial : "let Bud help you celebrate your freedom"--does freedom necessitate a drunken state to enjoy it? what about freedom FROM addiction and mediocre lifestyle? I do not think Hegel in the 18th century predicted this aspect of consumer capitalism... if he did, he'd have gone materialist
Wait, at 5:45 you say that "history is necessarily getting better" is an American ethos. That's a very strange statement to me. Almost every secular person I know, both here in the states and in Europe, thinks history is a non-progressing, random string of zig zags. I'm the only one who disagrees with them. It would be much more accurate to say religious westerners think history is necessarily getting better.
Not just religious ones (who are a large percentage of the U.S.population) but institutions like Hollywood and Fifth Avenue pump out the positive progression message. Though lately America has been more and more afflicted with pessimism, especially recently. Europe has been that way forever
Interesting you say zig zag. I have always seen it as a circle. We don't know when it started or when it will end. It will continue forever probably. There will always be something to improve.
seeming ,seems, seemful, seemingly seemliness. with what we know today, it is difficult to accept that self-consciousness requires social presence. one would become self-conscious in a biological state. this could be tested in a cruel experiment however, using "semingfulness,: (ostensible reasoning) we can see that even a plant and one celled organisms exhibit self-consciousness when the organism modifies itself or it behavior to satisfy the need of the organism. without some self-consciousness the organism would not survive. is the food that the organism consumes aware of the cognizant of its existence? one can imagine a cruel experiment, with an infant at birth that is immediately placed in a sensory deprivation chamber. as we know, the organism will in a very short time, exhibit awareness of it's biological need - thus exhibiting "self-consciousness." if the first premises or assumption are off or mistaken, should we not assume that the error will compound itself as the discourse is carried forward? to use ostensible reasoning, via an analogy - if the first brick in the course is laid even infinitesimally off level, once the brick layer arrives at the end of the course the error will be compounded significantly more than when he started. If Hegel is off even a little, and he is the basis for Marx, and further to the postmodernists, would it not "seem" that the assumptions that result are also significantly in error? it is unfortunate that critical theory is applied to everything except it;s starting point and itself.
There is no argument. His dialectic in evidente in the history of the human being. Today the big challenge is devastating capitalism and nasty globalization =the final test for the homo-sapien.
you can understand Marx without knowing Hegel--as a layperson. as a philosopher, you cannot...the worker (slave) has LIVED Marx, the philosopher (master) has read about Marx from the comfortable armchair of the bourgeois leisure class (thank you Veblen). the proletariat (working) philosopher (autodidact) will have the deepest understanding of both great thinkers (thank you youtuber professors:). hmmmm....the significance of this understanding is that it sheds light on the academia-working class divide, information and knowledge risks falling lumpen in the minds destined for .the upper echelons. disclaimer: I'm not a Marxist
The Dialectic is an interesting idea, but it has no historical backing. Hegel was a piss-poor historian to believe that society progresses forward (supposedly due to some consciousness). The founding of the US due to Lochean ideas is an anomaly. The Constitution itself was more a practical document between sovereign states deeply suspicious of each other and were brow-beaten into accepting the Constitution out of fear that war would break out between them. Historians must use an apodictic understanding of social relations for events to make sense. Large social events don't happen because of a thesis; there was no conscious choice to create or resolve national crises like, for example, the Great Depression. Indeed, you still can't get economists to agree what were the causal forces at work there, let alone the nation as a whole. I short, Hegel was just talking out of his ass.
In addition to being a shit historian, he's an even worse political scientist. One would be better off watching old episodes of "Yes, Minster" for understanding how self-interested politicians and civil servants behave than Hegel's laughable idea of a state consciousness (promoting freedom no less!)
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I enjoyed your courses at LSC. You do a service by posting them online, as it allows people to access the education for free.
I am happy to find your channel on 12/31/2021 -- best time to find Hegel ideas of consciousness relevant to this time -- happy new year 2022!! -- who else has found Hegel on 12/31/2021 relevant to a new year -- may you find freedom
I am a Comparative Literature specialist and I find your videos truly enlightening. Thank you so much.
Beautiful lecture. Thank-you Mark, you have a gift for framing difficult texts in an accessible framework. I always visit your channel before I begin on a difficult piece to prepare myself better in grappling with it.
Great video man. Really helping me get into Hegel, which has been keeping me from getting into a lot of other writing.
I very rarely comment on youtube however your commentary on the pholisophy of Hegel I have to say is exceptional and is helping me understand concepts previously beyond my grasp. Thank you
“When we have control of ourselves is when we have freedom” 👌👍
Great stuff, Thorsby is awesome at summarizing great ideas without trivializing them.
You can see from Hegel quotes how difficult the subject is but you made it very clear to me. Thank you for these videos!
FYI, the proper English translation of Hegel's seminal work is "The Phenomenology of the Spirit". That last article is important. He's referring to his world spirit, specifically the spirit, not spirits or minds in general.
Thank you very much. Uploading all this videos for free, it's a very important thing you are doing.
Truly helped in the understanding of Hegel... Hegel makes my head spin.... Good Stuff!
Jacques Lacan used Hegel and Freud to create his psychoanalytic theory. The problem with Freud is that he was not a philosopher, and his thinking was too literal. Lacan merged the two fields, which IMO is always welcomed. So Lacan is another way to look into the Hegel's idea of the creation of the self, although he is also difficult to read and understand. Hegel seems to be very good at looking into things in pure abstract and idealistic way. However he makes the mistake to develop practical constructions about the reality for which he doesn't have any base. This is where he sounds absurd to me. So in some sense, he is the opposite of Kant and his attempt to construct this proper base on which we can think. I know Schopenhauer hated Hegel with passion. And from this point of view, Hegel's work is really a regression to fairy tales. But on other side, Hegel is trying to answer much deeper questions. Which we really can't answer yet, but his attempt is still admirable and there is some truth in it.
Much bigger fan of the Schopenhauer/Nietzsche track to psychoanalysis, though it gets derailed for awhile with Freud.
I am completely in love with your videos on social and political philosophy. Can i just ask, why are there missing some? It seems like a big jump from Locke to Hegel :/
thank you. your videos are excellent
Man I must say , you made hegel to understand.thanks a lot
I love how you say, emphatically, that you aren't an Hegelian, but you tend to agree with most of his major concepts. Perhaps a bit of dialectical change happening unconsciously? I love these videos, and contrary to your spelling issues being a "problem" they are immensely endearing. My favorite is freedoom. Freedom contains its negation lol.
Truly illuminating lecture, but one would need to read between the lines of what Professor Thorsby says and read in your own interpretation based on the country you belong to and the types of governmental establishment you have in order to make sense, particularly on the bit on how he interpreted the full freedom a state and absolute freedom and consciousness. But you have to fit these concepts into your own type of statehood in question in order to make sense. Normally, the state is built of kinship spirit, alright, but then why do you think everywhere there is eventually a need for a constitution to be drawn up? During periods of undue fluxes, like more often at the conclusion of a war or to clarify a land status uncertainty, some governments have resorted to a covenant, too, in order to obtain your wishes. This is probably the aspect Hegel hasn't mentioned.
the process of the dialectical stage for consciousness, .to understand it's relationship to society and politics
Very enjoyable and informative.
Hegel's ideas of freedom and consciousness seem reminiscent of Buddhist ideas.
+Isabella Patton Hegel is known to have studied Chinese and Indian philosophy
No influence on him.
On infant development : T. Berry Brazelton, the infant and mother mirror dance.
Thank you for sharing.
This. Is. Awesome. Thanks a lot!!
I guess animal's self-conscious intertwines with it's awareness of the environment. The mutual recognition is one of the distinctive characters of human being (maybe apply to other social animals).
I would love to read this text
Where are the videos in between?
Maybe 7 ate 9?
I suppose Hegel did mean ghost but geist also means mind, I guess you differentiate meaning by context. I think Socrates said God's mind is in us all and we can know the truth through self examination of our current position. I wonder if that's where he got that idea from. Tnanks for the video anyway 👍
Things can come into existence from nothing, albeit for a brief moment. It's explained in the quantum electrodynamics vacuum. Even an absolute vacuum will have an occurrence of appearing and disappearing particles within it. The sum of particles within it remains at an average of zero. I guess that sort of explains how things can come into being from nothing.
How could link hegel and concious of Freud?
In America, in the globalized world, many confuse freedom with the bliss of gluttony. I saw a 4th of July Budweiser beer commercial : "let Bud help you celebrate your freedom"--does freedom necessitate a drunken state to enjoy it? what about freedom FROM addiction and mediocre lifestyle? I do not think Hegel in the 18th century predicted this aspect of consumer capitalism... if he did, he'd have gone materialist
The state provides a safety net for the freedom of its citizen.
Nice video and good info. Bit US-centric exemplar usage though.
I,thought he was going to tell us,that we.are going to and up :Creating baneles of,Universes through the agency of the State.But anyway...
Wait, at 5:45 you say that "history is necessarily getting better" is an American ethos. That's a very strange statement to me. Almost every secular person I know, both here in the states and in Europe, thinks history is a non-progressing, random string of zig zags. I'm the only one who disagrees with them. It would be much more accurate to say religious westerners think history is necessarily getting better.
I found you.
Not just religious ones (who are a large percentage of the U.S.population) but institutions like Hollywood and Fifth Avenue pump out the positive progression message. Though lately America has been more and more afflicted with pessimism, especially recently. Europe has been that way forever
Interesting you say zig zag. I have always seen it as a circle. We don't know when it started or when it will end. It will continue forever probably. There will always be something to improve.
seeming ,seems, seemful, seemingly seemliness. with what we know today, it is difficult to accept that self-consciousness requires social presence. one would become self-conscious in a biological state. this could be tested in a cruel experiment
however, using "semingfulness,: (ostensible reasoning) we can see that even a plant and one celled organisms exhibit self-consciousness when the organism modifies itself or it behavior to satisfy the need of the organism. without some self-consciousness the organism would not survive. is the food that the organism consumes aware of the cognizant of its existence?
one can imagine a cruel experiment, with an infant at birth that is immediately placed in a sensory deprivation chamber. as we know, the organism will in a very short time, exhibit awareness of it's biological need - thus exhibiting "self-consciousness."
if the first premises or assumption are off or mistaken, should we not assume that the error will compound itself as the discourse is carried forward? to use ostensible reasoning, via an analogy - if the first brick in the course is laid even infinitesimally off level, once the brick layer arrives at the end of the course the error will be compounded significantly more than when he started.
If Hegel is off even a little, and he is the basis for Marx, and further to the postmodernists, would it not "seem" that the assumptions that result are also significantly in error?
it is unfortunate that critical theory is applied to everything except it;s starting point and itself.
Exactly right.
There is no argument. His dialectic in evidente in the history of the human being. Today the big challenge is devastating capitalism and nasty globalization =the final test for the homo-sapien.
All this reminds me of India's caste system and karma yoga.
you can understand Marx without knowing Hegel--as a layperson. as a philosopher, you cannot...the worker (slave) has LIVED Marx, the philosopher (master) has read about Marx from the comfortable armchair of the bourgeois leisure class (thank you Veblen). the proletariat (working) philosopher (autodidact) will have the deepest understanding of both great thinkers (thank you youtuber professors:). hmmmm....the significance of this understanding is that it sheds light on the academia-working class divide, information and knowledge risks falling lumpen in the minds destined for .the upper echelons. disclaimer: I'm not a Marxist
today wold has become too busy building capitalism
nobody has time for these valuable ideas.
i feel sick sometimes, whether am i on good path or not.
The Dialectic is an interesting idea, but it has no historical backing. Hegel was a piss-poor historian to believe that society progresses forward (supposedly due to some consciousness). The founding of the US due to Lochean ideas is an anomaly. The Constitution itself was more a practical document between sovereign states deeply suspicious of each other and were brow-beaten into accepting the Constitution out of fear that war would break out between them.
Historians must use an apodictic understanding of social relations for events to make sense. Large social events don't happen because of a thesis; there was no conscious choice to create or resolve national crises like, for example, the Great Depression. Indeed, you still can't get economists to agree what were the causal forces at work there, let alone the nation as a whole.
I short, Hegel was just talking out of his ass.
In addition to being a shit historian, he's an even worse political scientist. One would be better off watching old episodes of "Yes, Minster" for understanding how self-interested politicians and civil servants behave than Hegel's laughable idea of a state consciousness (promoting freedom no less!)
deadballo You really know nothing at all about Hegel, do you...?
1spitfirepilot You have no argument, do you?
You've no idea. It's clear from what you've written that you haven't read Hegel, or grasped anything you've glanced at.
1spitfirepilot LOL, again, that's not an argument.
College students these days...
good videos. stop shouting though please.
Yeah, I agree... I found it hard to sit through the video with that going on.
Videos like these is why Hegel so misrepresented, oversimplified and ultimately never read.
Hegel...bad. John Locke...good.