These videos are amazing. This is how to study, love love love this. H2N has free beta. Grabbed it few days ago. Noticed i was too soft/complacent and started ramping up my aggression again. Im an aggressive person by nature and its tough for me to find enough 3bets and i am 3b hands most ppl are not. So its eaay to talk yourself out of the 3b. Cr flop with back doors alone can straighten any red line along with more 3bs and red line is cruising again. Much appreciated
He should 3bet more often from BB vs SB accordingly tô solver, right? But what If pool is opening less often from SB? Shouldnt the baseline be based on pools stats instead of solver at equilibrium?
Patrick, which hands you consider bluffs to count on bluff ratio frequency on flop and turn, since river you use 3rd pair and below? Flush, straight draws, even 3rd pair if the size is overbet?
Awesome video as always! I have a quick question about a reg-fish ratio. Are you using the default definition at "Who is reg" setting or your original definition in H2N?
Thanks! I am using my own definition, which is similar but a little bit looser than H2N's.The looser your reg filter is, the worse the ratio will look. The more specific it is, the better the ratio will look. It's not an exact science, but it's just to get a rough idea for what the ratio is.
Hi Patrick I like your scientific approach. Regarding the hand at 33:07 a lot of his folding frequency comes from overfolding weak top pair on dynamic turns. EV of the defense in a vacuum would be 0. He mentioned his opponent to be a huge nit, is that still considered a "leak". Curious to hear your thoughts!
In the full version of the course, I will show in the final chapter how to do board texture analysis for those who want to do that. However, this isn't included in the stat checker by default. The first problem is there does not seem to be a way to import board groups into Hand2Note from another config. But even if you could, I don't think you would want to. Sample sizes for stat checks are usually way too small to do textural analysis for anything but the most common flop spots.
Hello I notice your filters include "trash fix" and think I saw you tweeted an issue with the original filter, any chance you could elaborate on this and what the fix is for us h2n users please?
Patrick, do you intend to create the river tab GTO frequencies for 3BP pots? Didn't understand if it's possible from last video, maybe a hand history problem? Also very curious about the 2BP OOP PFR/PFC - River tab, maybe it will appear quickly on the next video hahaha Thanks for the content, and also for the answers, keep it up!!
No 3BP river stats. It can be done, but the stat checker is already sort of maxed out with the number of tabs I have in it, and you will almost never have a sufficient sample size in your own database to look at your defenses in specific 3BP lines on the river, so I haven't included it. You can still extrapolate from the 2BP lines though.
Great video! I understand the ?-?-F, XF means what happens on the river after a bet, but what XF means guessing is check fold? How can the value be the same?
@@mobiuspoker I understand that but it doesn’t seem the best solution to put them together? It’s very different being the PFC OOP or the PFR IP, in my opinion it would be better to have those two separately.
@@DiamondForevah I have not included PFR and PFC filters as I don't think that is very useful for the purposes of a stat check, but there are filters for IP and OOP below the ?-?-F,XF if you want them. You can see his fold is 51 IP and 54 OOP, so pretty similar. Personally, I like to use the overall stat.
@@mobiuspoker thank you Patrick! This is the best poker channel hands down! I’m very interested in the pro version.. can you tell me how much will it be?
Hey, Patrick. Incredible video. Congrats and thank you. Question: if a player plays close to the right frequencies (from the GTO point of view) preflop and postflop on low high rake stakes, but not using correct sizes and also not exploiting the pool tendencies, do you think he’s going to have good results? I’m asking this because some pro players are saying on the last months that you have to exploit the pool tendencies in order to have good results on these rake high environments. Thoughts?
Thanks! It's not possible to say for sure, but I am of the opinion that a solver would at least have the win rate of a strong regular in real games. Anyone who claims to know the answer for sure has not actually proven it, because in order to test this, you would need to put a GTO bot into real games, and currently a GTO bot that can play in real games in real time, and play multiway, does not exist as far as we know.
Hey Patrick, Thinking about how important is the range composition on flops and turns of villain bets and raises (even more than frequency I would guess) Is there a way to have GTO proportion of bluff/value ratio to compare to H2N numbers on the Flop and Turn nodes? Is there any heuristic besides the 70/30 flop and 50/50 turn? I think these don't work for many spots. Or maybe some way to get the specifics spots approximate numbers? Thanks for the content
Yes, I have done this. The way I did it was to make the solver play against itself in heads up spots and study the range composition. I think 50/50 on the turn is actually a good heuristic in most cases.
@@mobiuspoker This 50/50 heuristic works for turn raises too? If so, applies to flop too? Same flop will be close the ratio for bet and raise? Ps: ur helping me a lot building my own MDA, thanks, really appreciate it!!
Hey @Mobius Poker. Right now playing NL100 so going to buy the NL50, once I am higher can I just upgrade to the pro version and pay the difference or is there any catch?
Just noticed that regs at 50nl are losing 2bb per 100 and other video regs on 200nl are winning 1.5bb 100 just shows that people need to move up as fast as possible.
Hi! I found a soft site but with a very small ante(0.1bb/player). My adaptation is that I play a little more hands. I don't find a lot of resources about that specific game. Do you think it's ok if I study normal 6max cash(including databases) or that ante changes the game much more than I realise?
The intro module which shows you how to import the stat checker and set up all your Hand2Note settings is about 20 minutes long. Hand2Note is a tricky program, so I put in a lot of effort in the video to make the setup process as simple and painless as possible. You don't need to build any of your own filters, they're all included in the course.
hiho in 18:50 of the vid there is river bluffing freq 34% but won at showdown stats shows 57% so how is it? If w$sd is 57% then there should be 43% bluffs and not 34% which is imo significant difference.
In my opinion, one of the reasons people don’t XR enough on turns (for example) is the fact that it’s hard to do that without using a RNG. Do you think it’s possible to play good frequencies on all nodes without using a RNG? Do you think people that play lower stakes should start using a RNG already? Thank you again.
I think it's possible to get close, but I don't see how someone could play a truly balanced strategy without randomizing in some way. I think an RNG is probably overkill for a low stakes player. If you do use one at low stakes, make sure you are using very simple rounded frequencies for your decisions.
@@mobiuspoker Thanks! And thank you for contributing so much with these videos and these answers. I follow the references on the scene a lot and I have to tell you that the way you approach poker and the way you communicate to people are certainly the closest to mine. If one day you choose to open a CFP or mentorship for lower stakes players, I will sign up on day one. GL!
the BB vs SB 3bb open pf numbers seem strange, I checked 2 different high quality pf charts one with SB limps and lower rake and the other without SB limping and with NL50 rake (GTO Wizard) and both want to fold around 41-43%, call 38-40%, 3bet 18% - why is there such a difference in your numbers
Hi, I noted this in the Corrections section of the video description. It was just an inaccurate preflop sim, but it has already been fixed in the stat checker.
Might i ask what determines which player is a fish and which is a reg. I suppose its the winrate but what is the threshold? If the average reg is -2.3bb then a i would guess the worst reg and the best fish would be like around -5bb or something like that.
There is plenty of fish loosing 30bb and some of them even 70bb. Anyway, there is no really any good reg in this pool ( i play there last 4weeks). You can look at everybody as a fish, it allows you to look for their mistakes. Every reg is super explotable at 50nl.. And i actuall, hate hearing that regs seems balanced on river therefore we should call as GTO.. There are players who are way overbluffing and others way underbluffing. You should make quite a bog adjusent vs everyone. By playing gto river calls, you will literaly make big mistake vs everyone
@@vojtechmatulik1292 How do you make big adjusment vs everyone if some overbluff and some underbluff unless you know specificly how each player plays which is impossible to know everybody in a pool? Also how is it a mistake by playing gto river calls? Thats me sorted then cuz i cant play GTO on any street.
@@Donkle365 you will punt by overcalling nit and punt by overfolding vs hyper aggro reg. If you can identify them, thats the only way to make 10bb+ winrates. Or you can play "well balanced" and have 4-5bb. Up to you
theres usually a filter what is a reg, something like big number of hands in db or VPIP below 30, PFR below 25 and not a large gap between VPIP and PFR over a reasonable sample like 50-100 hands. All other players are marked as fish
The stat checker can be used with the free version of Hand2Note, however, you will not be able to run Range Research to analyze your pool, or look at popups on stats if you are using the free version of Hand2Note. (You’ll need to look at popups on stats if you want to analyze range composition.) To make full use of the stat checker, I recommend purchasing Hand2Note EDGE. There is a 10% off promo code for Hand2Note given in the course.
Hey everyone, my new GTO Stat Checker course is out now! Check it out here: www.mobiuspoker.com/stat-checker
Awesome time, thanks so much Patrick. Undoubtedly the best poker program for anyone who wants to honestly improve their poker game.
Cheers!
Is this 50 Zoom Pool or Normal Tables??
@@cilfynydd It looks like it was regular tables.
Amazing video, planning to apply some of these concepts to my game. Cameron will be smashing heads in the 500z street in no time
Definitely!
These videos are amazing. This is how to study, love love love this. H2N has free beta. Grabbed it few days ago. Noticed i was too soft/complacent and started ramping up my aggression again. Im an aggressive person by nature and its tough for me to find enough 3bets and i am 3b hands most ppl are not. So its eaay to talk yourself out of the 3b. Cr flop with back doors alone can straighten any red line along with more 3bs and red line is cruising again. Much appreciated
Really nice video. Please make more of these.
great vid man! that 53 fold was painful to watch
Thanks. Agreed 😅 actually pretty common for low stakes players though
Yep! 😂
holy shit there's so much valuable info here! Thanks man!
Glad you found it helpful!
Fantastic content Pat!
Thanks!
Great content, really interesting analysis, thank you! 🙂
Very happy there's a different pricing scheme for different stakes. Do you mind disclosing what the pricing for 50nl will be?
The 50nl version of the GTO Stat Checker course will cost $399.
Alright, thanks for the reply :)
@@mobiuspoker what about the pro?
Great vid
Thanks Ginge!
Hi. Great video. How to set up boards type in stat checker?
He should 3bet more often from BB vs SB accordingly tô solver, right?
But what If pool is opening less often from SB?
Shouldnt the baseline be based on pools stats instead of solver at equilibrium?
Patrick, which hands you consider bluffs to count on bluff ratio frequency on flop and turn, since river you use 3rd pair and below?
Flush, straight draws, even 3rd pair if the size is overbet?
I use third pair or weaker on the turn and all unpaired hands on the flop. I think that's the H2N default
How about for combo draws? Do you have those tagged as weak on flop or on turn? Default in H2N is for them to not be tagged as weak on flop or turn
why should we 3bet T2s instead of a stronger hand? Can someone explain? I can't understand this.
Because they are opening wide bvb and we have a good price IP so we can start to take the bottom part of our range that can call and 3 bet
Awesome video as always! I have a quick question about a reg-fish ratio. Are you using the default definition at "Who is reg" setting or your original definition in H2N?
Thanks! I am using my own definition, which is similar but a little bit looser than H2N's.The looser your reg filter is, the worse the ratio will look. The more specific it is, the better the ratio will look. It's not an exact science, but it's just to get a rough idea for what the ratio is.
Hi Patrick I like your scientific approach. Regarding the hand at 33:07 a lot of his folding frequency comes from overfolding weak top pair on dynamic turns. EV of the defense in a vacuum would be 0. He mentioned his opponent to be a huge nit, is that still considered a "leak".
Curious to hear your thoughts!
If your opponent is underbluffing, then by all means overfold.
Just don't look for too many reasons to overfold, especially if you can't prove them ;)
Hi Patrick, is there going to be any board texture stats/analysis in your GTO stat checker or is it all aggregated stats and averages?
In the full version of the course, I will show in the final chapter how to do board texture analysis for those who want to do that. However, this isn't included in the stat checker by default. The first problem is there does not seem to be a way to import board groups into Hand2Note from another config. But even if you could, I don't think you would want to. Sample sizes for stat checks are usually way too small to do textural analysis for anything but the most common flop spots.
what about PLO? plans?
Hello I notice your filters include "trash fix" and think I saw you tweeted an issue with the original filter, any chance you could elaborate on this and what the fix is for us h2n users please?
twitter.com/mobiuspoker/status/1594906294691008514
Hi, here is the thread for more information. It's honestly not very important though.
@@mobiuspoker thanks
Patrick, do you intend to create the river tab GTO frequencies for 3BP pots? Didn't understand if it's possible from last video, maybe a hand history problem?
Also very curious about the 2BP OOP PFR/PFC - River tab, maybe it will appear quickly on the next video hahaha
Thanks for the content, and also for the answers, keep it up!!
No 3BP river stats. It can be done, but the stat checker is already sort of maxed out with the number of tabs I have in it, and you will almost never have a sufficient sample size in your own database to look at your defenses in specific 3BP lines on the river, so I haven't included it. You can still extrapolate from the 2BP lines though.
Great video! I understand the ?-?-F, XF means what happens on the river after a bet, but what XF means guessing is check fold? How can the value be the same?
It's looking at all river fold lines, in or out of position, hence "fold, or check fold"
@@mobiuspoker I understand that but it doesn’t seem the best solution to put them together? It’s very different being the PFC OOP or the PFR IP, in my opinion it would be better to have those two separately.
@@DiamondForevah I have not included PFR and PFC filters as I don't think that is very useful for the purposes of a stat check, but there are filters for IP and OOP below the ?-?-F,XF if you want them. You can see his fold is 51 IP and 54 OOP, so pretty similar.
Personally, I like to use the overall stat.
@@mobiuspoker thank you Patrick! This is the best poker channel hands down! I’m very interested in the pro version.. can you tell me how much will it be?
@@DiamondForevah Thanks! Pro version will be $599.
Hey, Patrick. Incredible video. Congrats and thank you. Question: if a player plays close to the right frequencies (from the GTO point of view) preflop and postflop on low high rake stakes, but not using correct sizes and also not exploiting the pool tendencies, do you think he’s going to have good results?
I’m asking this because some pro players are saying on the last months that you have to exploit the pool tendencies in order to have good results on these rake high environments. Thoughts?
Thanks! It's not possible to say for sure, but I am of the opinion that a solver would at least have the win rate of a strong regular in real games.
Anyone who claims to know the answer for sure has not actually proven it, because in order to test this, you would need to put a GTO bot into real games, and currently a GTO bot that can play in real games in real time, and play multiway, does not exist as far as we know.
@@mobiuspoker It's nice to know your opinion about that. Thank you, mate! Great work.
Hey Patrick,
Thinking about how important is the range composition on flops and turns of villain bets and raises (even more than frequency I would guess)
Is there a way to have GTO proportion of bluff/value ratio to compare to H2N numbers on the Flop and Turn nodes?
Is there any heuristic besides the 70/30 flop and 50/50 turn? I think these don't work for many spots. Or maybe some way to get the specifics spots approximate numbers?
Thanks for the content
Yes, I have done this. The way I did it was to make the solver play against itself in heads up spots and study the range composition. I think 50/50 on the turn is actually a good heuristic in most cases.
@@mobiuspoker This 50/50 heuristic works for turn raises too?
If so, applies to flop too? Same flop will be close the ratio for bet and raise?
Ps: ur helping me a lot building my own MDA, thanks, really appreciate it!!
Sites and screennames you play online poker on, Patrick?
Can I use GTO Stat Checker with hand2Note version 4?
Yes!
8:55 in the lines where there aren’t written the gto correct stats do you provide them in the videos of the course?
Hello, yes I give target ranges for the most important stats on this page in the course.
Hey @Mobius Poker. Right now playing NL100 so going to buy the NL50, once I am higher can I just upgrade to the pro version and pay the difference or is there any catch?
No catch, you'll be able to upgrade and just pay the difference. Just shoot me an email when you're ready to upgrade!
Just noticed that regs at 50nl are losing 2bb per 100 and other video regs on 200nl are winning 1.5bb 100 just shows that people need to move up as fast as possible.
Hi! I found a soft site but with a very small ante(0.1bb/player). My adaptation is that I play a little more hands. I don't find a lot of resources about that specific game. Do you think it's ok if I study normal 6max cash(including databases) or that ante changes the game much more than I realise?
It shouldn't change things much. I think playing a little looser pre is a good adjustment.
@mobius poker, how much time is needed to set up filtera in hand to note, if i decide to buy course. Tnx
The intro module which shows you how to import the stat checker and set up all your Hand2Note settings is about 20 minutes long. Hand2Note is a tricky program, so I put in a lot of effort in the video to make the setup process as simple and painless as possible. You don't need to build any of your own filters, they're all included in the course.
hiho in 18:50 of the vid there is river bluffing freq 34% but won at showdown stats shows 57% so how is it? If w$sd is 57% then there should be 43% bluffs and not 34% which is imo significant difference.
I think it is a combination of 1. value betting and getting called by a strong hand and 2. getting raised and calling
@@mobiuspoker so does it mean that if someone has w$sd after river bet 60% he had about 70% value and 30% bluffs in that spot?
Hi. Is there a configuration for H2N4?
Hello, yes there is.
In my opinion, one of the reasons people don’t XR enough on turns (for example) is the fact that it’s hard to do that without using a RNG. Do you think it’s possible to play good frequencies on all nodes without using a RNG? Do you think people that play lower stakes should start using a RNG already? Thank you again.
I think it's possible to get close, but I don't see how someone could play a truly balanced strategy without randomizing in some way.
I think an RNG is probably overkill for a low stakes player. If you do use one at low stakes, make sure you are using very simple rounded frequencies for your decisions.
@@mobiuspoker Thanks! And thank you for contributing so much with these videos and these answers. I follow the references on the scene a lot and I have to tell you that the way you approach poker and the way you communicate to people are certainly the closest to mine. If one day you choose to open a CFP or mentorship for lower stakes players, I will sign up on day one. GL!
@@ghjk5827 Thank you! It means a lot
the BB vs SB 3bb open pf numbers seem strange, I checked 2 different high quality pf charts one with SB limps and lower rake and the other without SB limping and with NL50 rake (GTO Wizard) and both want to fold around 41-43%, call 38-40%, 3bet 18% - why is there such a difference in your numbers
Hi, I noted this in the Corrections section of the video description. It was just an inaccurate preflop sim, but it has already been fixed in the stat checker.
Are the stats in the video filtered for spots that are versus 1 opponent post flop or are multi way pots included aswell?
Vs. one opponent only.
@@mobiuspoker ok, ty
Might i ask what determines which player is a fish and which is a reg. I suppose its the winrate but what is the threshold? If the average reg is -2.3bb then a i would guess the worst reg and the best fish would be like around -5bb or something like that.
There is plenty of fish loosing 30bb and some of them even 70bb.
Anyway, there is no really any good reg in this pool ( i play there last 4weeks). You can look at everybody as a fish, it allows you to look for their mistakes. Every reg is super explotable at 50nl..
And i actuall, hate hearing that regs seems balanced on river therefore we should call as GTO..
There are players who are way overbluffing and others way underbluffing. You should make quite a bog adjusent vs everyone.
By playing gto river calls, you will literaly make big mistake vs everyone
@@vojtechmatulik1292 How do you make big adjusment vs everyone if some overbluff and some underbluff unless you know specificly how each player plays which is impossible to know everybody in a pool? Also how is it a mistake by playing gto river calls? Thats me sorted then cuz i cant play GTO on any street.
You make a mistake against a given individual if you know its tendencies, but vs the pool / unknown you play perfectly
@@Donkle365 you will punt by overcalling nit and punt by overfolding vs hyper aggro reg.
If you can identify them, thats the only way to make 10bb+ winrates.
Or you can play "well balanced" and have 4-5bb. Up to you
theres usually a filter what is a reg, something like big number of hands in db or VPIP below 30, PFR below 25 and not a large gap between VPIP and PFR over a reasonable sample like 50-100 hands. All other players are marked as fish
Patrick, Which version of H2N (Base, Edge, Pro) will be needed to use your filters you are selling in the course?
The stat checker can be used with the free version of Hand2Note, however, you will not be able to run Range Research to analyze your pool, or look at popups on stats if you are using the free version of Hand2Note. (You’ll need to look at popups on stats if you want to analyze range composition.)
To make full use of the stat checker, I recommend purchasing Hand2Note EDGE.
There is a 10% off promo code for Hand2Note given in the course.
Sites and screennames you play on? Probally makes ZERO like every other poker coach.
@mobiuspoker. Is it possible to buy course with skrill?
I don't currently take Skrill, sorry.