Slavery in the Bible | Jeff - CA | Atheist Experience 23.18
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- The Atheist Experience 23.18 for April 28, 2019 Matt Dillahunty, Cosmic Skeptic, & Rationality Rules.
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"You can't look at the bible with a modern lens." Then why the hell would anyone today use the bible as an authority on anything?!
Because you have to look at it as the way god intended... Humans are sinful and see things through their flesh and not spiritually.
I believe that sums up what they believe.
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why doesn't God take advantage of today's new technologies, like facebook, to explain what he expects of human beings?
@@debox9382 Exactly, why rely on ancient books to communicate a message to humanity? Wouldn't it be a lot more helpful to setup a ticket system for questions, at least?
If you're looking for relevant solutions, consider the new covenant God offers to anyone that will follow Him. Quit looking at the old covenant God made with the nation of Israel.
Ah... so the old testament doesn't count? Well, why didn't Jesus denounce slavery? Was he afraid of being crucified?
"You must not own slaves and you must not own or treat another person as property" That's really all God had to say and this could have potentially saved countless centuries of human suffering.
Not just centuries. Millenniums !
@Gabriel Jordan:just two sentences added would have changed history for the better especially for African Americans.
But that never would’ve happened, because slavery was indispensable to keep civilization running
God could have said a LOT of really progressive and enlightening things, particularly in such a brutal, primitive and backwards thinking period of time, in the savage deserts of the Middle East! But "He" didn't...
MEN wrote the damn Bible! And these men were living in brutal, primitive and savage times! Hence why THEIR book reflects this!!! I mean if God is beyond time and space, then why is the Bible so grounded in the damn Bronze Age!?
But alas, when faced with such irrefutable logic, play the damn music and watch those tap-dancing theists dance around the issues, as they try to justify appalling human behaviour! I mean they may as well, while they're at it, try and justify Hitler's Mein Kampf too!!!
But Shellfish and funky haircuts seem to be more important for this character...
"If a man sells his daughter, she shall never go free like the male slaves."
Exodus 21:7
oof
KJV for those who care: “And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.”
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"The firstborn of thy sons shalt thou sacrifice unto me".
Exodus 22:29
If poopy says the n word, he has the excuse to digest his own poop-
Exodus 14:3
@@austinlincoln3414
If you want me to understand your comment, I need more information.
Matt: "He. Shall. Not. Be. Punished."
Caller: "But how do you know he won't be punished?"
He *obviously* misinterpreted. Just worship god, damn it!
That line killed me 😂😂😂😂
@@roostermcscratch9060 Who misinterpreted?
@@jasonanderson7232 I was joking, but Matt.
It seems to be a legitimate question, since the specific word used in Hebrew from what I’ve heard, means the death penalty. If the slave is beaten and dies, the slave owner will be killed as punishment, and if the slave does not die, he will not get the death penalty. Will he be punished in other ways? Who knows.
When you have your entire ego invested in a relegious book
@DrJames Powers Except for... genesis, noa's ark, and jebus.
@DrJames Powers Why won't you tell us what you have your doctorate in? What are you trying to conceal?
@@Julian0101 You might want to include magic, giants and pitching little pieces of bone (read casting lots) to obtain the will of Yahweh to your list. In fact, if I continued it's possible that... oh fuck it.
@DrJames Powers The fact is the Bible is a book, nice start. What is your proof that it is documented a documented factual record? One could make the same claim about any Harry Potter book, books written about 👽 at Roswell, it even the books in Scientology and the conjured books that comprise Mormonism. I doubt you could take those others seriously, so why so confident in the Bible?
As with our other exchanges, saying so isn't so without bullet proof evidence. All you have is your assertion.
@DrJames Powers no one needs to debunk, bunk. It is self evident to anyone who thinks critically. You have the wrong arguments, you can't provide any proof that it is a real historical account. The burden of proof is on you, and you can't prove a thing based on the fiction you read in any holy book. Nice try at flipping the script though.
I love it when Christians admit their all-powerful god was powerless to change cultural norms. All the while not realizing they admitted it.
Next time just bring up judges 1:19 and see how that goes
Beau Wine that is pretty funny. Seems like a nice way to show a contradictory passage.
But why would an all-powerful God want to change something it created? It's already perfect.
Beau Wine I love how pretty much only the King James Version said “he couldn’t” every other translation says “they couldn’t” An all powerful being who’s defenseless against iron? I guess that was one of the few errors (among many) that the modern Christians caught and corrected.
Of course God is all powerful. And it might be good you are against slavery, but please look to our situation now. Girls are selling their body as slaves. Mothers sell their kids as porn for pedophiles. I sure hope you don't watch those programs on Internet!
And then we have the slaves working for Amazon, apple and other big earning companies where the directors swim in money and their slaves are fired when they can earn more by moving their factories to another country.
The good thing is that the Bible tries to regulate that. Take care of your slaves.
God is powerful, but this world of money will always enslave others to get richer.
It was not that way in paradise. It's our own fault. We broke God's laws.
And God lets us live with the results in the hope we will give up our own will and start doing His will.
And for the moment He won't force us.... I don't see anything bad in the Bible. I do see a lot à bad in people today. And who is not to blame?
To free a slaves now... How will they earn money? They can't set up their own business or farm. We're doomed to be slaves. Unless...
Don't ban the Bible because:
*The road to atheism is paved with Bibles that have actually been **_read._*
I strongly encourage people to read the Bible _for themselves,_ instead of listening to preachers with their cherry-picked quotes and their bizarre interpretations.
Paul Gross I would suggest reading Numbers 31 in this case because God told the Israelites to actually kill any woman that slept with a man (probably because it made her unpure while the god she most likely believed in was either false or nonexistent causing them to have no redemption)
@@logangarrick4784 - yep, and it also says that all of the boys are to be killed - *the boy children too.*
But read right to the end of *Numbers Chapter 31,* where the virgin girls, who were to be spared, are distributed as a tributes to the Hebrew tribes.
_Especially_ note that 32 the of those surviving virgin girls were to be a "tribute" to Yahweh ... so ... *what the actual fuck does a supposedly "good" god want a "tribute" of 32 virgin girl prisoners of war???*
The answer is soon clear - it is written that those 32 virgin girls - Yahweh's "tribute" - are to be given to the high-priest class.
👏👏👏👏👏
I always thought the hosts don't capitalize enough on the abysmal treatment of women in the Bible. Really holding the Christians' feet to the fire on the issue would be very interesting. Make them squirm by making them imagine their daughters growing up in their God's old testament
Paul Gross All religious books should be read simply as fiction, to do otherwise, and believe in the literal meaning of the texts, should result in people having their heads examined.... and then treatment started immediately....
The mental gymnastic of this particular caller is absolutely astonishing!
Charles-III
And disheartening!
...and concerning as well.
Nice to see Alex and Steve on the show!
the three stooges....
It was great. Unfortunately then the ACA went and stabbed Stephen in the back!
"The Bible's not responsible for anything, it's a book." I C O N I C
@DrJames Powers It would still make God responsible and not the book in which his word would be written.
@DrJames Powers can you explain ...WHY books were taken OUT of the buybull...?....
@hatter00 have to agree with the brainwashed part....
@hatter00 That was unnecessary :(
@DrJames Powers 😂😂😂😂😂😂
"how do you know they wont be punished?"
"It literally says it"
"yea, but how do you KNOW?"
It's like some reverse psychology:
Atheist: How do you know god exists?
Theist: It says it in the bible.
Atheist: Yeah, but how do you know?
The 7 different types of evidence that exist cumulate in a most probable scenario that God exists
@@markclark2288 what evidence?
Brugar- what do you mean what evidence? Have you ever been to a museum?
@@markclark2288 I mean what evidence do you have for god's existence? And which museum are you referring to, because not every museum is based upon that which exists or existed.
The caller Jeff exemplifies why I become irritated when theists question my morals.
Yeah, likewise. "You hold up, as moral authority, a book that permits slavery, murder, genocide and child abuse and then have the audacity to judge me 'immoral' because I fuck a _consenting_ adult outside of wedlock?"
Lyle Crawford . We have proof of our moral code Lyle, The most secular countries have the least crime rates. In the US the highest crime rates are attributed to the states with the most religious residents. Also divorce rates are higher among the religious.
@@wolf1066 Before I knew very little Bible and thought it was immoral. When I read whole Bible, I realized I didn't know just how immoral Bible really is.
@@goranmilic442 It's a shocker, eh.
Logical Person: Jeff... Rain is wet... Correct?
Jeff: Well... It all depends on what you mean by rain, by wet and by correct. I mean, are we talking on planet Earth or Saturn's moon Titan? Which would probably rain different chemical elements?
I mean (tap dances furiously now!!!) it all depends... And right now, my brain is sooo wide open, and indecisive... I don't even know what I am anymore... It all depends... And nothing is certain... Rape, murder, slavery... I mean it all depends... Maybe murderers and rapists are right! I don't know... It just... All.... Depends....
....
Legend has it that he's STILL tap dancing...
SHEESH!!! cognitive dissonance on full display here!
sn: nice to see Cosmic Skeptic and Rationality Rules on the show too...big fans of both.
Not believing there are any gods because there is literally zero evidence is not a religion.
@DrJames Powers explain to me how a made up entity in another dimension magically creating everything out of nothing is rational and possible.
Dr James Powers nice cross, they didn't try to give any answers to anything. It was the opposite actually. They were trying for over 15 minutes to get an answer from the caller on whether he is happy with what it sais in the bible about beating your slave, but they got no answer in the end.Are you happy with that passage?
@DrJames Powers No. I don't believe there are ANY gods. You are making claims and assumptions again. Please explain how a man made entity from another dimension magically creating everything out nothing is rational and possible. Stop tapdancing around the question.
@DrJames Powers Atheism is 1 thing, a lack of belief in god. It's not a religion and it doesn't make any claims of any kind of knowledge. You have made multiple claims in this statement, care to back any up with evidence or do you like to spew crap when it comes to a belief you don't agree with?
i thoroughly enjoyed you 3 together. I'd love to see more of this cast. You guys accompany each other great.
Kronic,
I know right, it’s like a super group ‼️
Agreed
Kronikman07 All 3 of them can hold their own, but I think it’s a little crowded with all 3 of them up there simultaneously. It would be cool to see alternating episodes of Matt w/ Cosmic Skeptic, then Matt w/ Rationality Rules. Then on Matt’s days off have Tracy w/ either one of the other guys.. It’ll probably never happen as they each have their own successful RUclips channels, but one can hope, right?
Matt almost seems calm
It’s almost as if moral standards change over time and are not fixed to any authority
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Joachim Macdonald
I think one of the most impressive things that Priests and preachers have been able to do is convince people that morality comes from religion. People actually believe that if there was no religion there would be no morality. Even though morality predates religion by many thousands of years. I am not talking about Christianity - I am saying morality predates even the first religions created 50, 60, 70 thousand years ago. I say the concept of wrong and right came about not long after the invention of speech.
Imagine that. Odd huh.
I agree, but there's still an authority guiding the workings of the universe
@@godsmessenger9936 It is possible - but very unlikely. If there is a guiding authority then it is nothing like any of the religions have postulated. The version they present always seems to be plagued with contradictions and impossibilities.
@@godsmessenger9936 and what authority would that be?
Untill something is at least shown to probably exist or be possible, then there is no reason to beleive it, and deffinatly no reason to try to give it attributes...
Aliens for example: We know the universe is massive, and that alot of stars have planets within our habital zone. And that there is life on this planet that lives in places we diden't think possible before, making the habital zone for life much greater... So do aliens exist? Very likely, are there any with intellect close to or greater than ours, possible but way less likely than just other life... Does this mean they built the pyramids, visit us, or abduct ppl? Absolutly not, but even so, still more likely than a god or universal authority...
Oh my darwin!! I love you three, this Is the best combination
@DrJames Powers atheism Is not a position to have answers, that Is for the scientific method.
You want just 'answers' or the answers that have the truth
@DrJames Powers lol, wisdom is not a strong point with you. Your test tube accusation is a figment of you dilusion of the term Atheist. It is rather simple theist, you a believer, "A"theist, one without belief. Such as moral, principal of right and wrong behavior and amoral one without the principle of right and wrong. Your consistent misuse and understanding if terms throughout your posts shows either a willing ignorance, ignorance, or amoral tendencies when your beliefs are challenged.
@DrJames Powers you are a legend in your own mind, you have debunked nothing
@DrJames Powers you've been drinking and posting again?
@DrJames Powers so you think that slavery is immoral
Excellent example of a mental gymnast. Good job TAE and friends.
I am thinking 'mental contortionist And this guy is going for the gold medal.
Right? Pretty much ever apologist argument in a nutshell:
Atheist: "This is morally wrong."
Apologist: "But you have to look at history/context/through their eyes/etc..."
@ZX7R Melado - you are lucky. I had it rammed down my throat constantly until I was about 20... 21ish. It wasn't until I moved from home and started getting out on my own when I started my sloooooow pull away from religion. I wouldn't fully renounce Christianity until I was 35.
I would only give his gymnastic performance a 6/10.
@@sbellaharris Agreed, he hasn't mastered the art of deflection/misdirection. The likes of Kent Hovind and Ken Ham would have side stepped that tricky question without ever answering it because they are professionally dishonest (in a literal sense).
Am I dreaming? , 3 of my favorite intelectual youtubers sitting in one table!!
Thanks for the likes, greetings from Perú South América, I guess I am a type of one percent here.
Check out the full episode
@DrJames Powers They are trying to find answers, as opossed to you, that believe you have all the answers in a book that supports tons of inmoral things.
@DrJames Powers That is why i dont care about religion, because it transforms completely normal and rasonable people into brainless sheeps.
@DrJames Powers And you have ZERO correct answers. Guess what? You have ZERO answers.
@DrJames Powers We don't want God in a test tube, we want real evidence (not hearsay or a bunch logical fallacies) that don't rely on a book full of contradictions and ambiguity that was obviously written by men and which borrows heavily from religions older than Christianity. Why are you a Christian and not e.g. a Muslim, a Jew, a Buddhist etc? The simple answer is because you were indoctrinated into Christianity first.
I love that shaky, panicked voice they get when they realize they can't answer the question without disproving their argument, and stammer through dancing around the question.
If you read the 13th amendment you will see that there is a loophole that allows slavery to exist as a punishment for a crime. This loophole is the reason why the US has the largest per capita prison population in the world.
Yeah, it's super f-ed up
Don't ban them, instead, label them for what they are... fiction.
Really bad fiction.
@DrJames Powers Prove it isn't.
@DrJames Powers So obviously fiction.....there is no independent corroborating accounts to these 'stories'.
@DrJames Powers Magic is a supernatural force. Nothing you listed is a supernatural force. It's what cells have in their processes. Quantum Fluctuations, nothing comes from something. I've told you this several times. Natural causes dont need a intelligent mind to happen. The big bang was an expansion of singularities, not a small dot. It took billions of years for the earth to form, and the cell to "diversify" DNA into 10 million other species. This isn't magic. This is nature. Not to mention, that the cell doesnt need a mind.
@DrJames Powers Finite nature was created at the big bang. "At this time, the Big Bang, all the matter in the universe, would have been on top of itself. The density would have been infinite. It would have been what is called, a singularity. At a singularity, all the laws of physics would have broken down. This means that the state of the universe, after the Big Bang, will not depend on anything that may have happened before, because the deterministic laws that govern the universe will break down in the Big Bang. The universe will evolve from the Big Bang, completely independently of what it was like before. Even the amount of matter in the universe, can be different to what it was before the Big Bang, as the Law of Conservation of Matter, will break down at the Big Bang." -Stephen Hawking.
Also, you have done nothing to prove your "Infinite god" . You saying he is the cause of everything isn't proof. And, just because something looks intelligently made, doesnt mean it is.
Infinite density, all of the matter in the universe would have been on top of each other. The density would have been infinite. It would have been, what is called, a singularity. (Paragraph above)
@DrJames Powers Also, spouting a paragraph of bullshit isn't exactly winning an argument. You said once before, that you're a scientist. Yet, you go against everything science has discovered? And, apparently, you figured all this "science" out that just somehow can prove a God. You're a Pseudo scientist. Everything you say would be refuted by an actual scientist who works in the field you're arguing on.
"It says there will be NO. PUNISHMENT."
"How do you know there will be no punishment?"
We need to invent a way of punching people down a telephone line.
Immediately.
It Doesn't matter as long as the slave doesn't die.
Like in Kung Fury when the Kung Feürher used a telephone to shoot everyone in a police statio
You know there will be no punishment if people perform their civic duty. Call it being a Good Samaritan, or a good citizen, or whatever you want. If an individual has been punished for any ridiculous reason, then it is our duty to report it if we know about it. If no one was around, then the victim of said injustice must report it to the authorities immediately. If people keep quiet about an injustice done to them or have seen it happen to someone else, we will never know.
That's funny!!
Good example of the inherent blatant dishonesty of the religious.
The easiest way to resolve the slavery question is to try it and see how much you like it.
William Lane Craig, a famous Christian apologist says he is a slave of Jesus.
So sad.
@@JamesRichardWiley he's not wrong, he's a slave to Jesus, God and the holy spirit, the greatest B.S mankind has ever made.
Exactly ! ...............
@@markclark2288 and that makes it ok? Lol mental gymnastics
@John Smith - We are all slaves my friend, in some way. Just chill and stop trying to stop your own pain and help someone else more in pain.Think about it
I am so happy to see Cosmic Skeptic and Rationality Rules invited to the show. It's so very good to know that the younger generation is taking up the torch.
I'd rather have no answers than ones that are demonstrably wrong.
@DrJames Powers
Atheism isn't a religion
So good to see 3 legends together!!!
Awesome guys
My cousin is a priest. He says, "The bible is like a person. If you torture it enough, you'll get it to say whatever you want".
He's a Jesuit.
Lol u dont have to torture it just read it apparently only Christians know how to interrupt it every body else is wrong especially when it's blaintent like slavery in exodus 21
@DrJames Powers Slavery was wrong then and it is wrong today. The bible upholds slavery and even dictates how to conduct it. This is one more line of evidence that the bible was written by men as a social construct, then attached god to it to give it influence.
As Thomas Jefferson said: "The bible is a pile of horseshit with a few diamonds".
Well yeah, every christian simply picks and chooses what parts of the bible suit them
@DrJames Powers just because you dont like gays dosent mean its wrong
DrJames Powers The bible teaches us that God approves of genocide, infanticide, slavery, rape and discrimination. Being a good Christian no doubt you try to practice all of these as often as possible.
VERY, VERY GOOD COMMENT, THE BEST COMMENT ABOUT BIBLE!!!
"You can't look at the bible with a modern lens." Then why the hell would anyone today use the bible as an authority on anything?!"
Exactly, so they admit it's outdated. :D
@DrJames Powers I suggest you look at this:
The God from the Bible is a fictional character, that can't and doesn't exist in reality.
This fact can be determined by looking at the the bible and what we can observe in reality.
In the bible God is defined as "Perfect" "All knowing", "All powerful" "All loving"
But what we see in reality is:
1. The universe is not perfect. It's chaotic and doesn't allow for life on the billions and billions of planets it holds. So far we've only seen life on our own planet. This makes the universe inefficient and redundant.
2. The world is not perfect. There are volcanoes, draughts, earth-quakes, floods etc etc. all harming life on our planet and resulting in the mass extinction of many lifeforms over time.
3. Humans are not perfect. We have poor eye sight, poor hearing, limited speed and durability when running. We suffer from deceases, mental instabilities and birth defects etc etc.
4. Would an all knowing, loving and perfect god create and sustain it's own adversary? God supposedly did when he created Lucifer.
So how could all of this be the work of a "perfect" "all knowing" god?
How could the "perfect god" only create imperfection? It can't!
This god would be self-contradicting. And something that contradicts it's own definition can't logically exist.
Therefore we can with full confidence say that your god is logically impossible, and doesn't exist.
@DrJames Powers how do you know he was crucified?
@DrJames Powers so jesus will be returning soon..CORRECT....?....WHAT...so god didn't get it right the 1st time?
The cognitive bias is strong with this one.
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casey day
His Methachlorine count is off the charts.
“He is not to be punished”
BUT YOU DON’T KNOW HE ISN’T GOING TO BE PUNISHED!
Yes that was really funny, as if it matters whether a specific guy will get punished in the end and not what instructions the rubbish book gives.
@@Nancy20012 But it literally says that you won't be punished! When it says *right here* in your holy book that you won't be punished for beating someone within an inch of death, literally *because they are your property*, it means that *you won't be punished!*
@@dannytourigny9403 the compartmentalization of human law from a defined God, and conveniently remembered later as the same morality source.
Exodus 21:20-21 "Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property."
@Kink Jester - he's conveniently ignoring his own claim that his own god has forbidden any punishment, and thus if a guy who nearly killed a slave actually was punished for it, those who decided to punish him would be violating the direct orders supposedly given by a god in their 'holy' book!
he can still go to "Hell" right? how was that response stupid?
Awesome team. I was floored to see all 3 of you in one episode. Thank you!
Wow... this is revolting. That man needs to read his bible instead of trusting his preachers words compleatly... then maybe he will realize how awful it is.
You are giving him too much credit. What he exhibits is worse than can be attributed to ignorance and indoctrination. He is also clearly grandiose and narcissistic.
@DrJames Powers you can claim all the positive accolades "maximize", and downplay the straight up evil and falsehoods "minimize" all you want, but there are plenty of people who know as much or more about the subject. Your goal is to deny anything negative and to assert this fiction you have zero evidence for is somehow a historical record, which it is not.
@DrJames Powers you didn't debunk anything. God endorsed the kind of slavery that was brutal and inhumane and immoral. Since your God is supposed to be a moral God and His morality never changes you have a huge huge huge problem which you probably like this guy I've been poisoned by believing that you can tap dance around it. You should be ashamed that you could be that morally corrupted.
@Robbie Stones wow, totally amazing are you could listen to that documentary and not get the point. You have become morally bankrupt
@DrJames Powers "𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐝𝐨 𝐈 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫"
God.
A creator of the universe.
The superpower to create something out of nothing.
The superpower to create something out of yourself.
The stories and claims from the Bible.
Any of your claims.
This encounter should be played on National Television
This show NEEDS to be national!!!
Wow. I didnt know cosmic skeptic is on the atheist experience. Thats cool.
He is a guest this episode. He's not usually there. Cool though ain't it? :-)
Damn right - AWESOME
@DrJames Powers He we go again, an Atheist is not afraid of imaginary places. If there is a hell based on the approach you have, the devil "the dark magic guy" is saving a spot for you. The scientists you say are there have done more for humanity than any useless religious figure, combined.
Why does religion focus so much on the next life? I'm going to use this life in the most meaningful way I can. I'm tired of the "Hey, look over there!" distractions religions offer. I want value now. Has religion resulted in peace? Eliminated famine? Child rape? Nope, nope, nope.
How about- there isn't a god as described by any of man's many religions, and I don't have to explain anything? I know I'm here, and that many were here before me. Good enough. Now, I can live the life I was given through natural birth.
It's like talking into a dead phone.
It is really eye opening what this topic does to Christians.
@DrJames Powers Chapter and verse where the Bible prohibits raping your slaves, please.
In addition, when a man sells his daughter as a slave per Exodus 21:7, please give me the verse that instructs that she is required to give consent before she can be sold to a strange older man.
EDIT: Also, your line about how all slaves were freed in the 7th year only applies to Jewish slaves. Maybe you should study more before claiming you've debunked something.
DrJames Powers typical cherry picking Christians...
Why is it so hard for these people to condemn slavery and beating them?
Olympic gold standard mental gymnastics
Excellent job of convincing people to not be a Christian. There is zero excuse for owning another person as your personal property no matter how much believe.
@DrJames Powers So was stoning your wife if she wasn't a virgin, that doesn't make it any less repugnant then or now. If this so called god was the arbiter of morality then they would have said slavery was immoral and to not do it (along with all the other horrible things in the bible). Since they did not then either it was and still is moral or (as you stated) morality changes and god is not the arbiter of morality unless the morality patch notes get lost somewhere between updates.
@DrJames Powers you are a sad pathetic man trying to put your shitty views towards others
DrJames Powers No, Doctor, your imaginary friend didn’t give freedom to the slaves in Egypt. They didn’t exist. And no, he didn’t free Adam and Eve either, they’re fictional like everything else in that 2000 year old storybook.
@DrJames Powers why was there slavery in the first place ? Your God is either an idiot or needs to become more moral
DrJames Powers Ok ‘Doc’, you can believe whatever biblical horseshit you want, the rest of us will continue to laugh as we school you.
So happy to see my atheist philosophers all together with Matt. Love you all.
If anyone else is interested in other mentions of slavery, here are a few more if anyone decides to say the Bible never mentions this......
1 Corinthians 7:21 - Were you a slave when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you-although if you can gain your freedom, do so.
1 Peter 2:18 - Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
1 Timothy 6:1 - All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered.
Colossians 3:22 - Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.
Exodus 21:32 - If the bull gores a male or female slave, the owner must pay thirty shekels of silver to the master of the slave, and the bull is to be stoned to death.
Leviticus 25:39 - If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to you, do not make them work as slaves.
Titus 2:9-10 - Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, 10 and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.
Luke 12:47-48 - The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.
Leviticus 25:44-46 - Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Ephesians 6:5-9 - Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free. 9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.
Deuteronomy 15:12-18 - If any of your people-Hebrew men or women-sell themselves to you and serve you six years, in the seventh year you must let them go free. 13 And when you release them, do not send them away empty-handed. 14 Supply them liberally from your flock, your threshing floor and your winepress. Give to them as the LORD your God has blessed you. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and the LORD your God redeemed you. That is why I give you this command today. 16 But if your servant says to you, “I do not want to leave you,” because he loves you and your family and is well off with you, 17 then take an awl and push it through his earlobe into the door, and he will become your servant for life. Do the same for your female servant. 18 Do not consider it a hardship to set your servant free, because their service to you these six years has been worth twice as much as that of a hired hand. And the LORD your God will bless you in everything you do.
Huh. Timothy 6:1 and Titus 2:10 are interesting. They're basically saying the slave should try and pretend to be happy, because otherwise it would show God and/or God's teachings are wrong.
The Old Testament is God's word.
Exodus 21, slavery is morally acceptable.
God's morality and caller's morality are in conflict.
The tap-dancing begins....
I like what Matt said sarcastically one time on AE: "It's not really slavery... it's happy-feel-good slavery!"
The mental gymnastics that apologists have to do to justify the bible as being all moral is amazing.
@DrJames Powers Bullshit. You're as morally bankrupt as your holy book is. Even Paul said "Slaves, be beholden/subject to your masters" in Ephesians AND in 1 Peter. Just because Yahweh supposedly delivered the Canaanites from Egypt (an event debunked by Archeology, by the way) doesn't mean that he was opposed to slavery. It just means that he plays favorites. It wasn't that he was opposed to slavery, it just means that he was opposed to his favorite sheep herders being enslaved. You haven't debunked shit. You're just rationalizing in your own head that your book has some pretty reprehensible atrocities in it.
Don't believe me, let's get off of slavery and just talk about cruelty to children. Psalms 137-9: Blessed is he who takes and dashes your little ones against the rocks. Elisha in 2 Kings 2-23 and 24 where he gets teased by kids and he has bears come out and maul them to death. Abraham willing to kill his own son at Yahweh's command in Genesis 22-1 thru 19. Abraham was going to go through with it, not knowing that he was being tested.
@DrJames Powers ur lying
@DrJames Powers you made the same claims in another post. Similar response, if it is wrong now, it was wrong then, and no amount of twisting you do can debunk that fact. What you actually prove in your argument is slavery was more common and the men who contrived the Bible a accepted what was legal at the time. Meaning, it was man who wrote the Bible and it is reflective of the time.
@DrJames Powers well Mr self righteous, you lost this argument. Now take your delusions elsewhere.
Anybody with brains and intestinal fortitude *KNOWS* that slavery is dead-wrong, no matter what his "bible" says to him.
@DrJames Powers Shut up. I just bought you and will beat you if you speak again. When I die , my kid will do the same
Apart from incorrect, what do you mean by "wrong"?
You have absolutely no idea whatsoever? - No surprises there.
My goodness he is a typical example of how a strong believe in anything blocks people from having simple common sense!
The mental gymnastics otherwise honest people have to go through to prevent themselves from giving an honest answer is mind numbing. The morning I read that passage and dared say, “This is evil,” I felt a load lift from my shoulders. I was free. It was painful, but I had to be honest with myself.
What if someday we found out that the Bible was only meant as an early version of "50 Shades Of Gray". And people just took it TOO seriously.
LOL.
This is so sad.
Oh man I love these guys. Such good conversations
@DrJames Powers even so it's not always about getting an answer. It's about adding perspectives or considering different thought processes. I think this is a great practice of philosophical arguements and standards.
Wow! All the masters are hosting today. Listening with excitement.
"Let me just cherry pick what I want the bible to say...."
Ask him if he thinks that worshipping a god that allows himself to be a slave is worthy of worshipping.
How do you clean off the stupid after having it sprayed at you for so long and so heavily.
You read a book and start thinking outside the box that it was put on you.
@DrJames Powers Atheism is not a religion.
@DrJames Powers Ignorance from you right out of the gate.
You don't. That's why Auschwitz still exists....
@Benjamin Tarrant evolution is a fact.
If I can't use a modern lens to view the Bible, then why should I use the Bible as a lens to view the modern world? On a personal note, Matt is the reason why I walked away from religion after many years of doubting and questioning I came to the conclusion it's fake and immoral, but Matt really put the final nail in the coffin, and I'm glad for people like him.
Nice to see Alex branching out, an excellent addition to the AE gang
This is one of their most important and impactful videos
It doesn't matter how many times it happens, I will always enjoy it when a caller comes in with a bunch of assumptions and a script thinking that they are about to get one over on one of the hosts and then immediately get thrown off their script because the didn't get the answers they were fishing for and flounder around because they have nothing else after that.
Agreed, very frustrating to witness the mental gymnastics Christians have to got through to get past this very uncomfortable part of their religion. At least Ray Comfort even says he doesn't agree with every thing in the Bible.
@DrJames Powers what does that have to do with anything? Nothing. You are the weakest link
@DrJames Powers
You said there were no prisons in the old testament days.
Jeremiah 52:11
Genesis 40:3
Genesis 41:14
Genesis 39:21
Judges 16:21
2 kings 17: 4
The old testament does mention prisons, jails & dungeons.
If you Don't think these were literal places of confinement mentioned in the old testament
Please explain
@DrJames Powers what you don't get yourself is that killing POWs IS evil either. BOTH slavery and killing people are evil.
Well of course they have to do mental gymnastics their entire cult is a lie
@DrJames Powers I agree. People can be failures at things sometimes. No person is perfect.
Awesome seeing CosmicSkeptic on Atheist Experience!
I dare this caller to walk up to any soldier currently serving and tell them that they’re his property.
A few weeks ago I was talking with a JW and he said, "What's wrong with slavery? I'm a slave to Jehovah." As a side note the guy was black.
Three RATIONAL human beings that I totally admire, smart human beings!!!
These guys are great guests! Hope to see them more.
Great job, Guys! Keep at it!
4 yrs later and this thought process makes a lot of current events make a little more sense. The lunacy of racism is wild
Heyyyy mah boi CosmicSkeptic is with mah boy Matt Dillhaunt!
I love all the guest Matt brings on the show over the years TBH
Three legends in one room.
Truly truly sad. I am in sincere pain watching this man suffer like that. A victim of poison to the point of complete denial of reality. You know how much pain the human mind is in when it reaches this level of denialism?
This is exactly why I formed SOGO Academics smh. To prevent this infectious poison from spreading any further. I hope one of his loved ones, who recognized the pain he was in, gave him a hug.
The 'Slavery' conversation gets em EVERY time.... Well Done AE....
@DrJames Powers - Did your Sky Daddy tell you to say that to me in a dream?
@DrJames Powers Then pedophilia can be allowed too, by your reasoning if the child approves it. You didn't debunk shit.
Awesome vid! Matt owns but nice to see some new people :)
I love you all. Awesome talk.
Omg. I can't believe yall are sitting with Matt!!! So happy ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️😍 Rationality Rules and Cosmic Skeptic y'all so cute ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
It's even worse in most translations "if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money", which means even if the slave dies after one or two days, the slave owner will not be punished.
Money property kinda similar
2 excellent co-hosts. love these 2 young men. while they are respectful, they don't seem intimidated by matt. good job guys !
Community service doesn’t equate to slavery. Ditto serving in the military. Ditto being a prisoner. What a tool.
Jesus and St. Paul never corrected the verses in Exodus about slavery, what we were taught in church about Jesus was so wrong (about God being a caring and loving being). Wow you guys know how to drive home your argument!!!
Waw. This guy is utterly ridiculous. People like this actually exist.
As unprepared to acknowledge the absence of facts, or a willingness to operate on facts. I guess a prepared theist is one who is willing to say anything to not lose, which he and you are doing.
@DrJames Powers you don't know a fact if it were to hit you in the face.
And a lot of them are in power.
It was extremely frustrating that he wouldn’t answer the question, but I liked that they didn’t let the caller get away with it.
The mental gymnastics is just amazing
Christians: The Bible is the true word of God and it is a book for all time.
Also Christians: Oh no. That part there about (fill in the blank) is being taken out of context for that time period.
And remember people: all of this is the word of the all loving and perfect god we should all be worshiping
Thank God I'm atheist 🙌
wow ! the boys on AXP ! so awesome !
Hey CS, fancy seeing you here!
Although I’m a year late, the second I saw cosmic skeptic, I clicked.
I looked at the profile of "Dr" James "Piss-colored Cross" Powers down there. His profile has no content, no activity, which shows he is a troll. He is only using his profile to go on his mad tirades. Not worth anyone's time to communicate with him.
Also of note. Whenever you ask him to link his doctoral thesis he changes the subject.
You know, the public thesis that everyone earning a doctorate must write.
So add "lier" to your list.
@@TheFunGun5 He got his doctorate from the same place that Kent Hovind got his, by mail order.
@DrJames Powers Nice gish gallop. Really classy. Also nice shit loads of lies and assumptions.
But I digress, provide a link to your doctoral thesis. It should be easy since your a "doctor" and all. /s
Well christians get pissed off when we proove them wrong
ziggy the cub Some lose their shit!
This is a very important watch.
The pursuit of truth is hard but it is something that we should all be working towards.
Great minds join another great mind. Great show!
You three did a great job. But what do you expect. This is been a huge public relationship problem for Christianity and Islam for the last 30 years. Since Christianity has been confronted with this issue. Even though they disagree with owning people as slaves. I have never heard some of the most ridiculous backpedaling excuse making sense this is come out of the bag. It’s rather pathetic. But I did this when I was a Christian pastor. It’s difficult when you have to realize that your holy book is completely out of touch with reality.
"But that was because god was teaching people from a different time in a way people from that time could best understand"
Or...or MAYBE...just MAYBE! ...all holy scripture is man made and that's why the ignorance within all holy scripture PERFECTLY reflects mans ignorance at the time said scripture was written ...just maybe.
A great line-up.
The 3 of them are perfect and I love seeing 2 generations of atheists in one video of The atheist experience. I love this show
OMG my 3 favourite atheist youtubers in one episode; there is a god after all
Tap, tap, tap... Tap, tap, tap... dance around sla-ver-y. 🎶🎵
Never seen Rationality Rules before. Have to check him out.
So happy to have seen my boy Alex on the show.
See, told you guys that S. Gloobal deletes his account anytime he gets schooled. He did it again.
Diviance yes he does, I had the displeasure of ‘debating’ him and ‘Doctor’ Powers. At least S.Gloobal deletes his BS.
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I saw him do it twice tonight alone. It was pretty funny.
And Powers is so deluded.
Diviance Powers is another level of stupidity.
Due to the its content, the bible should be age restricted. The material inside is not suited for children.
LOL BibleHub!!!
@DrJames Powers ALL religious "facts" have already been debunked, you just dont want to accept it. Your purpose in life is to love God? You should aim higher. I dont blame you, I think, that you were severely indoctrinated as a child. You are a victim, like it or not. It is horrifying to read that you consider life to be worthless and that you think yourself incapable to find a purpose in life other than worship. Dont you have any dignity? Self value?
love seeing cosmic skeptic on here, so fitting
the greatest crossover event in history
I don't know why, but you saying this makes me want to see Thanos on the show, listening to a caller like Jeff and constantly raising his gauntlet.
Thanos: "Hmmmf.... Not worth it...."
A disgraceful example of a theist beating about the bush.
I witnessed a theist being beaten, nary a bush to be seen.
Hope the bush didn't lose an eye or a tooth.
It blows my mind that in 2019 we are still having this argument.
Three of my favorite atheists are in the program today. I love them.
10/10 for The mental gymnastics on display