Hey, don't forget Dragon Breaks, where through unknown shenanigans, multiple contradictory events somehow all happened simultaneously. Plus, when you consider the truth that leads to CHIM, the 'reality' of TES within it's own canon becomes metaphysical at best.
If you ever read the works of ancient historians you know that they are usually very biased, or they write about things that happened hundreds of years before their time, but they still write it with a "trust me bro, thats exactly how it went down" attitude. And this phenomenon is perfectly imitated in TES lore, this is what makes it actually more believable and adds its "lived in" feeling.
@@Elder_lore Yes he is a good example for this, but there are many more like him. Tacitus for example who also liked to conviniently rely on second hand accounts in some cases. Or basicly any bronze age monarch who comissioned scribes to write about their "godlike" domination on the battle field and such.. ofc some basis of truth is alwas there, but sometime peoples imagination just start to go wild on certain details. :)
Or any of Shakespeare's "History" plays. When the average person considers the end of the Plantagenet dynasty and the beginning of the Tudors, those plays have penetrated into the consciousness of western lore to an incredible level. In Richard III alone hi is blamed for the post battle killing of several Lancastrian nobles after a battle which took place when he was only ten years old and almost 100 miles away. The character of the Duke of Clarence is greatly softened...he is portrayed as a somewhat befuddled and trusting character when he was a very untrusty sort, self serving and borderline paranoid. Shakespeare wrote his plays during the reign of Elizabeth I, the fifth Tudor monarch. Her legitimacy was constantly questioned not only in the halls of Catholic France and Spain, but within England itself. Her lack of a marriage or an heir of her body put another crimp in her environment. Writing a play that idolized the Yorkist cause was just not politically correct or safe. And yet to this day many people instantly accept the tales of the Bard of Avon.
The Blades are basically the TES version of Fallout's Brotherhood of Steel. They're the "good guys" simply because the writers say that they are. They do nothing to show it.
To be fair, if Paarthurnax does decide to rampage and loses his sanity while the Dragonborn isn’t there to stop him, it would be devastating. The Blades have an understandable desire to get rid of a potential threat before it becomes one but they explain and go about it in the worst possible way.
@@thelettucebarrel7784 Except you need a very specific dragon shout to resurrect him. Just give it up. The Septim Empire was using dragons left and right, but as soon as the last Septim dies, dragons are bad now? WTF?
The Elder Scrolls religious lore really falls together nicely when you realize that it’s just Gnosticism where gnosis is knowing you’re in a video game.
Wont lie, when I saw the title I was expecting another one of those "Bethesda sucks, everything after - insert favorite game here - is garbage" type videos. Then again I've probably been spending too much time watching fallout related content and have become jaded lol. Instead I got something that made me appreciate the games the video was talking about even more!
Best evidence of Tiber Septim becoming a god. Point 1. Tiber Septim was a Nord. Point 2. As Tiber Septim he conquered all of Tamriel. Point 3. In the game Skyrim, you are the Dragonborn. In the 16th quest of the main questline "Sovngarde" you get to go to Sovngarde....temporarily at least and even if you aren't a Nord. Before venturing out to disembowel Alduin, you get to wander the halls as you wish and you meet a multitude of Nord heroes all the way back to the 1st Era. Who do you NOT meet? Why...Tiber Septim. But why not? Is there a greater Nord hero? Possibly Ysgramor? I believe you can see Ysgramor in Sovngarde...but not Tiber Septim. That's odd. Why would Tiber Septim not be in Sovngarde? Because he's a GOD now, you Thalmor twits!
This has gotta be the best random suggestion I’ve ever gotten from RUclips. I love your take on the already populated scene that is the explanation of Elder Scrolls Lore. Keep it up and good luck!
so it is all lore of the elder scrolls universe but its stories that turned into legends with some embellishing here and there with some nuggets of truth of the actual events kinda like how that icelandic guy from the 1600's i think that made up some legends of ivar the boneless the viking here in the real world that some people today still think they are true stories lol so bethesda doing that with elder scrolls is pretty cool
In TES3, there's a clue that Tiber Septem actually became a god. After you get Wraithguard, there will be a man named "Wulf" in Ghostgate. Talk to him, and take what he offers. After you defeat Dagoth Ur, go to the Imperial Cult in Ebonheart, and talk to the priestess about "Wulf."
The lore is definitely a huge feature in these games. First time through Skyrim I got sidetracked for like two weeks of real world time chasing down leads on the mystery that surrounds the dwarves, ending up in blackreach. One of the only times (and the rest were all elder scrolls titles) a game sidetracked me just to pursue lore rather than the actual plot or game. What makes it so convincing is that it’s presented like actual history: try reading sources on the Roman Empire and take a shot every time sources diverge. You’ll be dead from alcohol poisoning inside three hours 😂
Thank you. I've been consumed lately by the elder Scrolls games. I follow dremora and Imperial Knowledge and they do a great job but when looking even for books within the universe on chronological order on Google I can't find anything. I also watch A guy named Lorerunners videos on Elder scrolls which has been a big help. But a channel trying to go in chronological order would be a massive help.
Of course, additional videos will be necessary to cover everything, but I intend to bring all the main events in order. Tes lore seems like thousand pieces puzzle scattered by a blindfolded devil 😆 good researches can be a real pain
I had already decided Talos was a god by just playing Skyrim. Basically because his alters and amulets function. They do in fact give you 20% faster shouting lol
I have a theory I call "The First Dragon Break". I think that after the creation of Mundus, Magnus tried to usurp Shor and Akatosh. After defeating Shor, Magnus defeated Akatosh who was split into three entities; Aldiun the body, Akatosh the spirit, and Anuriel the divine. Magnus could only truly take the divinity and become Auriel. Alduin would be worshipped by the ancient Nords through the Dragon Cult. Akatosh by by the Nedes and later Imperials through Alessia and the Amulet of Kings. I support this theory in that both Ancient Elves and Ancient Nords share the same totems for Magnus/Auriel that being the Sun and Eagle. I believe that the events of Skyrim's Civil War and College story line are similar to the what might have happened but in microcosm. We also know that both the Deadra and Aedra are not immutable in that they can change like Malacath/Trinimac and divest themselves like Sheogorath/Jyggalag.
Thanks for telling us about many of Tamriel’s forgotten lore pieces, such as you must subscribe to Elder Lore, that were lost to time and/or fake news.
I really loved this about Morrowind, how the lore and the world changed with who you were roleplaying that day. I feel that a lot of it had to go in Oblivion and Skyrim, because the more cinematic dialogue system wasn't robust enough and so most of what remained were a few nuggets here and there in the books, that not many read. Shame, really.
@@mcashed definitely! I love Skyrim and oblivion, but technology has advanced as games have lost depth. I hope the errors of starfield won't be repeated in TES 6
@@Elder_lore Well, looking back at the Bethesda games, every game has been more looter/shooter like than the last, so my guess is, they're just going to continue and hope that it finally "just works" this time:)
@@TitusCastiglione1503 The aesthetics of these games have always attracted me. I really have a soft spot for dystopias. I think the fact that they make us think about reality and evaluate life differently is fascinating. Judge Dred also has a special place in my heart.
@@Elder_lore 40k has that combination of 80s cyberpunk, an industrial park and a gothic cathedral that I absolutely adore. It’s certainly better than Star Trek’s bland modernist nonsense.
@@mad_mex0148 i believe it because of what master Arngeir tell us when we get to high Hrothgar. He says " a dragonborn appears in the turn of the age" or something like that. I may be wrong, but that's my humble opinion.
@@Elder_lore maybe its has more of a poetical meaning.like if dragonborn or any given hero didnt intervene the flow of time and the world would end or at least stop exist in the current state.But cool,i forgot Arngeir said that.
Not trying to defend a certain regime of the past here. But as someone talking so much about changed history, don't you think that maybe.. just maybe things got changed a little? All sides commited crimes, however one went unpunished and used its good reputation to then go extort weaker countries in the present. Afrika and the middle east suffered the most as a result.
History is drenched in blood, exploitation, and slavery. Without exception every system of government and peoples have participated in all of them and often at the same time. Surprisingly though, history has been filled with more people dedicated to the truth than many may realize, ancient priests recorded records with only obvious cases of bias, the little details are often unchanged. Yes the victors can and have tried to rewrite history, however there is only so much even a government can do, and what is rewritten or false is oftentimes more obviously seen through years later
I think I get a good portion of everything but then again don't do a drinking game cause most things in these games and he has a little button but most things are debatable.
Aludin calls himself the "Firstborn of Akatosh". Though if for some reason that's not enough. Why would Akatosh himself have troubles with a Dragonborn some one who he would have blessed with the power to beat himself? Unless you're a subscriber of the theory that some Dragonborns including the Player DB is a Shezzarine and thus an aspect of Lorkhan as well.
@Naruku2121 the troubles with Dragonborn are pure show, so that the world can renew itself by cleansing it of corruption. Think about it. The Dragonborn arises to the occasion to restore all the failing guilds. Thieves guild. Dark Brotherhood. Blades. College of Winterhold. All society is essentially saved by thr arrival of the Dragonborn who grows in strength to defeat Alduin/Akatosh.
@@Elder_lore Yeah, I sort of subscribe to that line of thought as well. Such as TLDB can sit upon Shor's Throne which Shor is another alias for Lorkhan.
@@apoletestry3766 I cloned my own voice at eleven labs. Much better than spending with fancy microphones and recording multiple times. I'm not that articulated, you see. If I had to show my face, this channel would never see the light of day.
@Elder_lore FYM "not in all cases" The lore is the lore It isn't "up to interpretation" It is hard fact over thousands of years turned legend Think in our real world, NOBODY can agree if Jesus was even a real man, despite the books, religion, the wars There is always one true answer, the problem here is the absurd time scale Elder scrolls works on
@@inconspicuouscupofblood7730 The elder scrolls universe doesn’t function the same way ours does. Dragon breaks especially mean that, for some things, there is no one correct answer. Plus, even if there is only one linear true set of events, until one answer is confirmed it’s absolutely up for debate, it’s why they didn’t confirm one answer on the topic.
@@inconspicuouscupofblood7730 By “not in all cases” he means “not in all cases.” Obviously certain things had to happen in the Elder Scrolls world but the truth of the matter is that we don’t know the full story, just like the characters in said world. Tamriel is full of propaganda, misinformation, embellishments, legends, and myths just like real life. The best we can do is create a rudimentary understanding of certain events that happened by trying our bests to remove our biases as we compile all the facts we can from biased sources, just like real history.
So I shouldn't believe everything I've read about Lifts-Her-Tail?
Don't know. Even though I'm pretty sure she is very skilled with spears
Hey, don't forget Dragon Breaks, where through unknown shenanigans, multiple contradictory events somehow all happened simultaneously. Plus, when you consider the truth that leads to CHIM, the 'reality' of TES within it's own canon becomes metaphysical at best.
@@LabTech41 dragon breaks such are a thing, it surely needs a special episode.
If you ever read the works of ancient historians you know that they are usually very biased, or they write about things that happened hundreds of years before their time, but they still write it with a "trust me bro, thats exactly how it went down" attitude. And this phenomenon is perfectly imitated in TES lore, this is what makes it actually more believable and adds its "lived in" feeling.
After reading this comment only one name came to mind: Plutarch.
@@Elder_lore Yes he is a good example for this, but there are many more like him. Tacitus for example who also liked to conviniently rely on second hand accounts in some cases. Or basicly any bronze age monarch who comissioned scribes to write about their "godlike" domination on the battle field and such.. ofc some basis of truth is alwas there, but sometime peoples imagination just start to go wild on certain details. :)
Or any of Shakespeare's "History" plays. When the average person considers the end of the Plantagenet dynasty and the beginning of the Tudors, those plays have penetrated into the consciousness of western lore to an incredible level. In Richard III alone hi is blamed for the post battle killing of several Lancastrian nobles after a battle which took place when he was only ten years old and almost 100 miles away. The character of the Duke of Clarence is greatly softened...he is portrayed as a somewhat befuddled and trusting character when he was a very untrusty sort, self serving and borderline paranoid. Shakespeare wrote his plays during the reign of Elizabeth I, the fifth Tudor monarch. Her legitimacy was constantly questioned not only in the halls of Catholic France and Spain, but within England itself. Her lack of a marriage or an heir of her body put another crimp in her environment. Writing a play that idolized the Yorkist cause was just not politically correct or safe. And yet to this day many people instantly accept the tales of the Bard of Avon.
Paarthurnax can change! Dragons can change! The blades believe that all dragons are bad.
The Blades are basically the TES version of Fallout's Brotherhood of Steel. They're the "good guys" simply because the writers say that they are. They do nothing to show it.
To be fair, if Paarthurnax does decide to rampage and loses his sanity while the Dragonborn isn’t there to stop him, it would be devastating. The Blades have an understandable desire to get rid of a potential threat before it becomes one but they explain and go about it in the worst possible way.
@@thelettucebarrel7784 Except you can kill dragons just fine without the Dragonborn.
@@DarkAdonisVyers With great difficulty and he might not even stay dead.
@@thelettucebarrel7784 Except you need a very specific dragon shout to resurrect him. Just give it up. The Septim Empire was using dragons left and right, but as soon as the last Septim dies, dragons are bad now? WTF?
The Elder Scrolls religious lore really falls together nicely when you realize that it’s just Gnosticism where gnosis is knowing you’re in a video game.
Maybe that's what's Chim is about
Wont lie, when I saw the title I was expecting another one of those "Bethesda sucks, everything after - insert favorite game here - is garbage" type videos. Then again I've probably been spending too much time watching fallout related content and have become jaded lol. Instead I got something that made me appreciate the games the video was talking about even more!
Thanks for sharing, comments like this really pushes me on. TES deserves all our love.
Best evidence of Tiber Septim becoming a god. Point 1. Tiber Septim was a Nord. Point 2. As Tiber Septim he conquered all of Tamriel. Point 3. In the game Skyrim, you are the Dragonborn. In the 16th quest of the main questline "Sovngarde" you get to go to Sovngarde....temporarily at least and even if you aren't a Nord. Before venturing out to disembowel Alduin, you get to wander the halls as you wish and you meet a multitude of Nord heroes all the way back to the 1st Era. Who do you NOT meet? Why...Tiber Septim. But why not? Is there a greater Nord hero? Possibly Ysgramor? I believe you can see Ysgramor in Sovngarde...but not Tiber Septim. That's odd. Why would Tiber Septim not be in Sovngarde? Because he's a GOD now, you Thalmor twits!
Well, some accounts say that Hjalti is a Breton so he cannot enter Sovngarde after death.
This has gotta be the best random suggestion I’ve ever gotten from RUclips. I love your take on the already populated scene that is the explanation of Elder Scrolls Lore. Keep it up and good luck!
Thank you for your kind words. Talos guide you
so it is all lore of the elder scrolls universe but its stories that turned into legends with some embellishing here and there with some nuggets of truth of the actual events kinda like how that icelandic guy from the 1600's i think that made up some legends of ivar the boneless the viking here in the real world that some people today still think they are true stories lol so bethesda doing that with elder scrolls is pretty cool
In TES3, there's a clue that Tiber Septem actually became a god. After you get Wraithguard, there will be a man named "Wulf" in Ghostgate. Talk to him, and take what he offers. After you defeat Dagoth Ur, go to the Imperial Cult in Ebonheart, and talk to the priestess about "Wulf."
The only book that I believe is a historical fact is Lusty Argonian Maid
@@muh.andianto don't be like that my dumpling 😆
The lore is definitely a huge feature in these games. First time through Skyrim I got sidetracked for like two weeks of real world time chasing down leads on the mystery that surrounds the dwarves, ending up in blackreach.
One of the only times (and the rest were all elder scrolls titles) a game sidetracked me just to pursue lore rather than the actual plot or game.
What makes it so convincing is that it’s presented like actual history: try reading sources on the Roman Empire and take a shot every time sources diverge. You’ll be dead from alcohol poisoning inside three hours 😂
nothing a quick dragonbreak can't fix
Damned dragons, always breaking stuff!
Thank you. I've been consumed lately by the elder Scrolls games. I follow dremora and Imperial Knowledge and they do a great job but when looking even for books within the universe on chronological order on Google I can't find anything. I also watch A guy named Lorerunners videos on Elder scrolls which has been a big help. But a channel trying to go in chronological order would be a massive help.
Of course, additional videos will be necessary to cover everything, but I intend to bring all the main events in order. Tes lore seems like thousand pieces puzzle scattered by a blindfolded devil 😆 good researches can be a real pain
I had already decided Talos was a god by just playing Skyrim. Basically because his alters and amulets function. They do in fact give you 20% faster shouting lol
I have a theory I call "The First Dragon Break". I think that after the creation of Mundus, Magnus tried to usurp Shor and Akatosh. After defeating Shor, Magnus defeated Akatosh who was split into three entities; Aldiun the body, Akatosh the spirit, and Anuriel the divine. Magnus could only truly take the divinity and become Auriel. Alduin would be worshipped by the ancient Nords through the Dragon Cult. Akatosh by by the Nedes and later Imperials through Alessia and the Amulet of Kings. I support this theory in that both Ancient Elves and Ancient Nords share the same totems for Magnus/Auriel that being the Sun and Eagle. I believe that the events of Skyrim's Civil War and College story line are similar to the what might have happened but in microcosm. We also know that both the Deadra and Aedra are not immutable in that they can change like Malacath/Trinimac and divest themselves like Sheogorath/Jyggalag.
Hum, Interesting
hi great video hope to see more
Thank you! This week I'll bring the story of my favorite in game book, hope you like it!
Thanks for telling us about many of Tamriel’s forgotten lore pieces, such as you must subscribe to Elder Lore, that were lost to time and/or fake news.
@@user-vl4iq7bj5e my pleasure
All the best lore is in the metaphysical speculation anyway 👍
I really loved this about Morrowind, how the lore and the world changed with who you were roleplaying that day. I feel that a lot of it had to go in Oblivion and Skyrim, because the more cinematic dialogue system wasn't robust enough and so most of what remained were a few nuggets here and there in the books, that not many read. Shame, really.
@@mcashed definitely! I love Skyrim and oblivion, but technology has advanced as games have lost depth. I hope the errors of starfield won't be repeated in TES 6
@@Elder_lore Well, looking back at the Bethesda games, every game has been more looter/shooter like than the last, so my guess is, they're just going to continue and hope that it finally "just works" this time:)
@@mcashed yeah, games are getting broad as the sea and shallow as a puddle.
ive always personally equated the aldmeri dominion to the bolsheviks who took over russia, but good video nonethless
Theo more i watch The Thalmor, Theo more i understand Pelinal...
The aldmeri dominion are literally Nazis.
@@Elder_lorejust wait until you deep dive into Ayleids unless you already have
Sounds a lot like how 40k lore works. “Everything is canon; not everything is true,” is how Leutin09 put it, I think.
Edit: also you just another sub
Interesting, I know nothing about WH, surely will give it a try. Thanks 4 subbing!
@@Elder_lore Warhammer is a wonderful rabbit hole into some of the goofiest grimdark lore anyone’s ever seen. It’s worth your time, I assure you.
@@TitusCastiglione1503 The aesthetics of these games have always attracted me. I really have a soft spot for dystopias. I think the fact that they make us think about reality and evaluate life differently is fascinating. Judge Dred also has a special place in my heart.
@@Elder_lore 40k has that combination of 80s cyberpunk, an industrial park and a gothic cathedral that I absolutely adore. It’s certainly better than Star Trek’s bland modernist nonsense.
@@TitusCastiglione1503 never knew why people like ST so, much. WH surely seems more Interesting, and also brutal.
anyone remember 4E 42 when the thalmor killed six million altmer refugees
If they hadn't defended the wrong beach maybe they would have stood a chance against the imperial coalition
You're awesome!
I like how vague it all is. I hate how vague it all is. Everything is true and false at the same time. No canonical endings to any of the games.
Bethesda should show TES a bit more love. It's definitely their greatest franchise.
Hey man. Cool channel. I'm here for it.
Thanks moon!
4:47 the last dragonborn appeared at the END of the 4. era?
Am I not educated or you made a mistake.I dont think the 4. era even ended yet
@@mad_mex0148 i believe it because of what master Arngeir tell us when we get to high Hrothgar. He says " a dragonborn appears in the turn of the age" or something like that. I may be wrong, but that's my humble opinion.
@@Elder_lore maybe its has more of a poetical meaning.like if dragonborn or any given hero didnt intervene the flow of time and the world would end or at least stop exist in the current state.But cool,i forgot Arngeir said that.
Not trying to defend a certain regime of the past here. But as someone talking so much about changed history, don't you think that maybe.. just maybe things got changed a little? All sides commited crimes, however one went unpunished and used its good reputation to then go extort weaker countries in the present. Afrika and the middle east suffered the most as a result.
There are no "Saints" when we speak about countries and their interests.
History is drenched in blood, exploitation, and slavery. Without exception every system of government and peoples have participated in all of them and often at the same time.
Surprisingly though, history has been filled with more people dedicated to the truth than many may realize, ancient priests recorded records with only obvious cases of bias, the little details are often unchanged.
Yes the victors can and have tried to rewrite history, however there is only so much even a government can do, and what is rewritten or false is oftentimes more obviously seen through years later
I‘ll defend that certain regime of the past.
I think I get a good portion of everything but then again don't do a drinking game cause most things in these games and he has a little button but most things are debatable.
Exactly, and there's always the non canon part of most events
Great Video!
Alduin is Akatosh. Prove me wrong
Aludin calls himself the "Firstborn of Akatosh".
Though if for some reason that's not enough. Why would Akatosh himself have troubles with a Dragonborn some one who he would have blessed with the power to beat himself?
Unless you're a subscriber of the theory that some Dragonborns including the Player DB is a Shezzarine and thus an aspect of Lorkhan as well.
@Naruku2121 the troubles with Dragonborn are pure show, so that the world can renew itself by cleansing it of corruption. Think about it. The Dragonborn arises to the occasion to restore all the failing guilds. Thieves guild. Dark Brotherhood. Blades. College of Winterhold. All society is essentially saved by thr arrival of the Dragonborn who grows in strength to defeat Alduin/Akatosh.
Thinking of myself as Shezzarine makes my Gameplays much more epic
@@Elder_lore Yeah, I sort of subscribe to that line of thought as well. Such as TLDB can sit upon Shor's Throne which Shor is another alias for Lorkhan.
Wow this AI voice is really advanced!
Where did you find it?
@@apoletestry3766 I cloned my own voice at eleven labs. Much better than spending with fancy microphones and recording multiple times. I'm not that articulated, you see. If I had to show my face, this channel would never see the light of day.
Nice video ^^
AI voice
😲
No...
There are absolutely CORRECT lore answers
Yep, but not in all cases
@Elder_lore FYM "not in all cases"
The lore is the lore
It isn't "up to interpretation"
It is hard fact over thousands of years turned legend
Think in our real world, NOBODY can agree if Jesus was even a real man, despite the books, religion, the wars
There is always one true answer, the problem here is the absurd time scale Elder scrolls works on
@@inconspicuouscupofblood7730 The elder scrolls universe doesn’t function the same way ours does. Dragon breaks especially mean that, for some things, there is no one correct answer. Plus, even if there is only one linear true set of events, until one answer is confirmed it’s absolutely up for debate, it’s why they didn’t confirm one answer on the topic.
@@inconspicuouscupofblood7730
By “not in all cases” he means “not in all cases.” Obviously certain things had to happen in the Elder Scrolls world but the truth of the matter is that we don’t know the full story, just like the characters in said world. Tamriel is full of propaganda, misinformation, embellishments, legends, and myths just like real life. The best we can do is create a rudimentary understanding of certain events that happened by trying our bests to remove our biases as we compile all the facts we can from biased sources, just like real history.