TONEX And PA Face-Off Guitar Amp - EV Evolve 50M
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- In today's video Paul and James from The Studio Rats are at THOMANN in Germany seeing if the TONEX Pedal and the EV EVOLVE 50M PA can compete with a Soldano SLO Amplifier.
Guitar players (including myself) love the sound or a guitar going through a valve amp cranked up flapping our trousers, but a lot of modern stages now require the stage to be silent. While we were at THOMANN in Germany we thought we would compare the sound coming from a SOLDANO SLO 30 to a TONEX pedal going through a EV EVOLVE 50M PA system
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The Studio Rats are core band members Paul Drew on guitar/production/mixing, drummer James Ivey and Dan Hawkins on bass. They collaborate with singers and musicians to produce radio-ready songs.
Playing alone, the Tonex sounds great through PA or FRFR speakers. However, I think a good soundman would want to pull some of those lows out of the Tonex and maybe even boost some mids so you would sound better in the band mix anyway.
Love you guys, this was a fun time! This channel should be much bigger than it is. Very discerning tone on this channel, love it
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What a great video! This is something working players need to see and hear. This is a real service. Thank you. Now. The model is a 100w amp and the amp in the room is a 30 w. The wattage always goes to the low end first. So either capture the 30w or switch the real head to the 100 and the low end will match better. A lot of pros with working schedules are using Tonex Pedals (not tonex one) as back ups when they cannot travel with the preferred amp. This happens a lot when I am a sideman and the main band already has their main set up. They need me for "extra" stuff in major markets to sound like the album. This is the perfect time to use Tonex in the PA and maybe run a dedicated small monitor for myself. It does feel different than a real amp.. and you do have to expect that. I don't prefer it but I can do a great job regardless.
Tonex sounds more “hifi” because the PA are full frequency. Great comparison and video 🙏☀️
What a massive ball dropping sound, love it! This is the future of gigging setups, no doubt
Great ballsy tone with both. The Silver Sky demonstrating that it can sound killer for classic rock tones. Nice one guys.
On my laptop, the Amp sounded a bit richer, thicker than the EV 50. However, the older I get, the less I want to lug around big amps. Great shoot-out! THanks
the gain is down on the real amp in comparison and the eq is set slightly different.
I listened through higher end headphones.
I heard the same.
amp in room vs amp + mic. that’s it 🤷🏻♂️
I have been playing through two vamps my whole adult life. I bought the original Tonex when it was first released and have been using it exclusively ever cents. I still own two vamps but always prefer the tone X. I also have never received so many compliments on my tone.
Hi guys !! i have the the tonex one ( i'm pretty happy with it ) and i also have a Soldano Hot rod 50 and other amps. Your video is pretty cool and i agree with what you say, the problem is that the PA is not on the stage with you like the amp, normally is 3 to 5 meters in front of you ( even in small clubs, weddings or private party ) and is addressed to the people so you're not hearing directly the power of it. Normally in these cases you're required to use In-ear ( mostly ) and all the punch and power that the PA has, is lost for you. Also, The video si about playing the PA like an amp so the cost is not 199 euro (tonex ) vs 3500 ( SLO ) but tonex and PA vs amps. if i have to carry a full PA as an amp is not much convenient 🤣. Anyway is a great video about the tone of the tonex in a PA system. Ciaooooo
Finally someone who says something I agree with. I would add that you need two of these for a band and each one costs €2,200, plus the subwoofer alone weighs 20kg, the same as a 100w head.
Amazing test.
I think all the guitar test should be done with the mic u guys have now.
I prefer the PA😮 sound
great video gents... normally sound guys will run a Hi-Pass filter on all guitar signals coming in so that it doesn't come out the subs... this tightens up there tones and helps them sit better in the mix with bass and drums... You might also find that both the ToneX & Soldano setup will actually sound much closer in comparison with a hi-pass filter @ 150hz put on the PAs input channel for the pedal
thanks so much for doing this sort of test, it's the big thing that is hard to also show effectively,
can't deny that PA sounds huge, Soldano has maybe a bit more in the midrange, PA seemed have a bit of rumble in the subs/lows but overall a bigger more mixed sound (which is to be expected i guess)
would absolutely love for you to do this with a FRFR cabs (Laney , or the Fender FR12 for example) to get a different example of this as well,
i'm yet to get into the PA/FRFR rabbit hole for modellers, but i think it definitely seems worthwhile
Ok, so maybe you could have been more scientific, but that’s good enough for me any day! Brilliant analysis, gentlemen, you’re doing some of the best guitar-rig videos on RUclips! Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm getting close to 70 and I've gotten tired of lugging the big amps around. I do one man shows and still am my own roadie so I've gotten to where I quit bringing my amp and use my pedal board running through my PA and listen through my monitors. On smaller gigs I will cheat and use a multipurpose am with guitar and vocals that is wedge shaped and use it for the monitor and use the line out to go to the mains. Less gear to worry about and still get good sound... but that ToneX sounds amazing. I'm currently using a Boss ME-90 which sounds pretty good itself, especially for the price. One thing I have noticed over the years is most audiences can't distinguish the nuances in sound that most musicians pick up on right away. Good video and it is looking like the future, even Lita Ford has gone to just bringing her pedalboard to live performances. She says she can practically carry everything on a carry on for her trips.
Ty Studio Rats, this is the video I was waiting for !
ANY SLO demo (as long as the players know how to dial one in) is a good demo. But, the better example probably would’ve been the Tonex vs the SLO pedal. Great video, regardless. I had no idea ToneX was putting out gear of this quality.
Cool, thanks!
Thank you so very much for this comparison. And also all your hard work. It's very much appreciated. Very interesting and useful information. Thanks again indeed.
Glad it was helpful!
As has been commented and said in the video, at a gig where there was a big PA the amp would have mics on it and that would be going through the PA then. So a good A or B test would be the mic'd up amp through the PA versus the tonex through the PA. Then the sounds are coming through the same delivery system. This video also shows that the tonex captures amps extremely well.
How about in a band mix, does the tonex cuts through? I hear a lot of low end, maybe it's muddy and buried when other instruments are added?
I think it’s quite easy to solve in the mixer.
Well, that's settled. My back would be happy if I was still gigging.
Great video! However, I'd love to hear the real amp mic'd through PA, just like you said. That's the real comparison since the amps get mic'd on stage, usually
I have used amp modelers and profilers for years, and it sounds pretty good. Very convincing. But I recently played an amp in the box, and it sounded better with my frfr. It was somehow more fun and satisfying on so many levels to play with the amp in a box. Sound wise and dynamics in playing. Amp miked up sound from a real amp vs. amp miked up through a digits solution is still more satisfying.
In my earbuds, it's the toneX all day. Richer and fuller across the EQ spectrum. I guess you could mic the cab and EQ the same way but I'm just loving the vibes of the modeler.
Great demo. Another suggestion would be to use 1 or 2 Fender Tonemaster FR-12 1000 watt powered speakers and place that next to the the comparable amp. The Fender FR-12 is an amp cab design and will sound more like the real deal compared to that sub and top powered PA.
Tonex sounds boomy soldano cuts through the mix, live gig with the Tonex might require an eq pedal to clean up this mess, great video thanks mates
Great comparison and demo. Thanks Rats!
I much preferred the SLO30. Sounds real , full range of frequencies whereas the Tonex sounded compressed. Would you hear a huge difference in a live mix maybe not but all virtual varieties don't seem to punch through a live mix. A Soldano definitely will.
Agreed - less top end on the Tonex too.
The ToneX has a compressor, I wonder where was on for this test?
As someone who has used the Evolves a lot in the past they can certainly punch their weight for a decent function type hotel gig. Plenty of options with the DSP, in fact I have even used them at the NEC before. Perfect for Fitness events and alike and speech carries well with them.
The compression on the ToneX is pretty significant. SAG emulation maybe?
One thing I noticed with ToneX 1 captures is for the most part, there is more low end. Thats great if you want that chug. However not so great with clean amp captures. I spend a lot of time EQ-ing the capture removing that overbearing flub to tighten up the tone.
A modeler and a PA is definitely the way to go, and has been for me for quite some time. Interesting to hear this direct comparison, since I have not yet heard the 50M in action. That said, I think the frequency spread of my JBL PRX One is probably more to my liking, though these column thingies can be tweaked quite a bit with EQ so as to alleviate the „mids hole“ that lives between the smallish speakers and the huge sub (comparatively speaking). This is a trade-off of all columns, but being able to also monitor oneself with the same speaker, with very little risk of feedback, is another huge plus. As for the ToneEx, I have the big-box one and the One. It, too, needs precise EQing and hi- and low-shelving to sound better than in the demo. A bit too much sizzle for the 50M, it seems. But all this can be tamed with a bit of effort, so why mess with lugging and micing a real amp? Don‘t own a single amp, and life is good. :-)) P.S. I should add that my modeler/profiler of choice nowadays is no longer the ToneEx, but rather the Fender Tone Master Pro (properly set with a decent hi- and low-pass on all the combo cabs used). It‘s more organic and smooth than the ToneX by a long shot, and certainly tweaking to one‘s heart‘s content, and exceedingly easy to use by comparison with any device I‘ve used or investigated so far (and that‘s a lot!).
This is what I need to know!
Tonex + PA for me
Yeah, on vacation I saw a guy playing with tracks, but an LP and I think a Boss ME-90 though a Bose L1 Pro 16. Sounded great!
I have the TONEX big pedal and I use it through my amp and 2X12. . That PA looks just as clunky to move around unless it disassembles, which means you're now moving around multiple parts. I guess for weddings and such and smaller stages it would be great. But I still love the look as well as what a concert is supposed to be. Also moving all that stuff on stage gave people jobs as well as stage shows I am used to of the 70's, 80's , and 90's that were great.
I like visual as well. Soon it will just be someone who prerecorded their music walking in a door with a USB device that plugs int to the speaker system, sits down and hits play with sets of wireless headphones. I might as well stay at home. It's like every generation is finding new ways to take the fun out of having fun.
Mucho expensivo 😂😂😂 Lads, you put a smile on my face. 👍🏽
What I’ll do is I have four eq knobs on my Fractal for live use to make it sound more like an amp in a PA system. A highpass at around 120Hz, depending on the PA; a boost at around 800Hz; a cut at around 3k, and finally a lowpass at around 6,5k.
You should do more of these guys. Try the TC Electronic Jims45 through it 😉
We are at a time where these emulators sound really good and definitely your average music goer isn't going to care. I do think you'll lose that low end beef as soon as the rest of the band kicks in (or when the sound guy instantly throws on a low pass filter because they don't want that in their mix, which is a little selfish but anyways) but you could easily adjust the Tonex eq wise to regain that punch back. My QC sounds amazing at home in the headphones or when I'm just setting up but loses a lot when we actually start playing whereas any of my amps continue to hold their own. With that said, no one after the show has ever said I'm glad you used your real amp or I'm glad you used your QC...as musicians how much power are we giving to 'sound engineers' these days. Just some thoughts for anyone that needs more comments to read.
Linear array systems are the way to go nowadays. I have made decision to buy a pair of those about 5 years ago , and they are shockingly good (both band and solo gigs)! Also , I am using no valve amp on the stage for at least 15 years as well. Instead , I am using modeler processor . Just need to mention that, to emulate guitar cabinet ,I have engaged global EQ on it, with lowcut & hi cut (60khz- to 10-12000klhz) . And that makes modeler to cut through the mix just like any guitar cabinet . I am fully aware , that most modeler brands advertising their products , with cab. simulations that mimics real cab(about naturally cutting the lows and the high frequencies) , but my experience taught me that this is NOT THE case. Those processors are designed to impress the guitar player the moment he switched it on for the first time at home. And then it comes the first band rehearsal ...Ouch!🤣 The guitar plays in the frequencies of both bass and the cymbals at the same time ! 😳 So , just in case ... Engage that low and hi cuts on global EQ ,OK?🙂
I’m glad ToneX is working for some people. I wasted money on it before getting my Kemper unfortunately. I may find use for it in the future as it’s not a POS gear. It just didn’t work for me in what I was going for. Don’t let anyone tell you it’s a Kemper killer without trying both of them for your needs if at all possible. Yes kempers cost a bit more but I love it and they are not even in the same league as far technologies concerned and who they are made for depends on who you are as a player and your needs
Great video. And important. What you can do with modern and CHEAP gear these days...
Did anyone else think Paul was Tom morello at first glance with the hat on?
I did say that on the day.
I swear I did😂
The ToneX through that PA sounds much better, and higher fidelity than the actual Amp.
If I may, I’d like to add one more item for consideration: my gigging band, like many others, uses our PA *only* for vocals and acoustic guitar. If I were to add a hot electric guitar via my full-sized Tonex pedal into it, it would overload the speakers’ sonic capabilities and the mix would get sloppy. We’ve tried it. Thus, as a guitarist I would be back to hauling around my own FRFR speaker(s) - which in my opinion do not sound even close to a guitar amp + cab.
Great idea and great vid. Been saying just that for years! Also. A pa system will have a much wider and more even dispersion pattern than a guitar cabs 30 degree "beam" of sound.
Great point!
Absolutely fantastic have a wonderful weekend ❤😊
Thank you! You too!
It is incredible what can be done with technology today, until not long ago achieving this tone would mean an investment of several thousand dollars, and that is without counting the weight of the equipment and maintenance. Today get closer to that tone only costs you the equivalent of happy meal (if you are using plugins) or the price of one stompbox if you are using the tonex x. 👌
I am thinking of trying the tonex with the new Fender power cab 12-inch. I just want amazing headroom cleans!
Surprisingly, the closest I’ve come to having the PA and amp on stage match is the ZT lunchbox. My understanding is the internal speaker is full-range, and the amp part of it cross-walks and makes the full range speaker sound like a guitar amp, not a mic’d guitar amp. Send the headphone out to FOH (the internal speaker still sounds an acts like a stage monitor) and it makes the whole PA sound like a guitar amp, not a mic’d amp. With some good pedals it sounded great. I haven’t tried their newest version yet, hopefully it carries forward that characteristic.
Good to hear a shoot out like this from the 2 of you. I wonder how the Tonex sounds via a power amp like SD PowerStage via the 2x12 cab, in case you profile the line out signal. Maybe even closer to the real thing?
huge difference. The ToneX has a "fizz" and hard edge that I find displeasing. real amp sounded less gainy? but had a much rounder sound
YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING!
Point 1: The sheer joy of experiencing the SLO30 (or any amp making the most of its headroom) giving your leg hairs a bit of a wake-up call cannot be understated.
Point 2: The EV PA and Tonex combo sounded plenty good enough.
Point 3: Cannot help but feel you missed a trick by not plugging into the vintage radiogram behind you, if only for completeness’s sake.
Point 4: Paul - you’ve answered a question I’ve mulled over for ages about where you wear the guitar to play standing up. We typically watch you playing sitting down, so the guitar sits relatively high on your body. And it’s clear that you also wear it high to play standing up. Billy Sheehan once gave advice at a clinic eons ago about this: basically “practice as you intend to play, seated or standing’. Is that your rationale for playing high too?
Practically it comes down to monitoring ie hearing yourself and the rest of the band hearing you. I use the Kemper Stage with the Powered Kabinet which in my opinion is the best soultion for me. Still have stage level that can be controlled. Sounds great through the PA. Is a compact rig to transport. Nevertheless had some resistance in a rock band setting where everyone still wants to use amps. The hybrid scenario of some amps and some direct doesn't really work in practice. I mean it should as keyboard players have been going direct for 40 years or more now.
Try bringing a Kemper/ToneX to a blues gig or a hard rock gig. Very challenging here in Melbourne Australia 2024.
I think this was brilliant! Really goes to show how cool this tech has gotten. Although it would be interesting to hear something less gain, maybe just a fender or a two rock, is it as inspiring? I play UAFX at home through monitors and FRFR but it is not even close as inspiring feel wise. It feels stiff and disconnected
Tried to trade in that same amp at Guitar Center and was told under $550. Great shape and only three years old. GC told me the market for large amps are dead.
Too much bass not quite enough mids on the Tone-X in the beginning demo. The Soldano is better focused in the guitar's midrange. That could be your particular settings on the Tone-X and PA. A little tweaking and perhaps they would be equal? Good job and nice comparison. Thanks brothers.
Thats the one issue a lot of the comparison videos have. You can tell its just a little EQ adjustment away from matching the amp. Then the channels that take the time to do that you cant even tell the difference in blind AB tests.
You guys are great, and I would look at the DB meter if James wasn't standing in front of it 😁
He is always in the way!
Great content! Thanks!
Great job Paul and James, your ears taking one for the team for sure. Remember Tinnitus is real and it’s not fun to live with !! 👍 I like the Tonex and so would my ears 😂❤🔥🤘
Got to remember that the PA system must be shared with the whole band. It could compromise the sound of the tonex. That would be a good test to make.
Thanks for the videos guys
That would be cool!
You don’t have to share a PA speaker. I bring an ev pxm12 just for myself. Works great
You missed a bit…. Through a Neumann KU 100 to an Apple iPhone speaker, so it’s all of a muchness till I get up and get my headphones 😂. Thanks for doing this comparison! ❤
Great stuff. I was thinking about stereo EVerse 8 battery speakers. I reckon it would be nice on stage, stood between
them.
The ev evolve 50 is $1800. Guitar doesn’t need a subwoofer. You can go much much smaller. I have a headrush 108 and a 112. The 112 can sound massive but I have to cut anything below 80-100 hz to not compete with the bass. (You’ll also get a much tighter sound) and you can pole mount them. I usually bring just the 108 now and it’s great. Super portable. I can carry my guitar, multi fx and speaker in one trip
I'm getting more and more interested in the Tonex One for the small gigs I play. I'd love to know how it would respond to a boost in front of it, just using one preset as my amp into a PA with my Clapton Strat for anything from clean to lead.
Certainly the tech is here for great FOH guitar sounds from digital means. What does it say that right now I'm tossing up different options for a higher end modeller/capture+effects system (quad cortex, FM9, Kemper Stage etc) and I'm seriously looking into a compact Windows PC running VST plugins with a midi pedal/audio interface, since it's an open updatable platform. The keeping you happy on stage thing is tricky, I mean if it truly is a nearly silent stage then you may have to go IEMs and the whole amp thing is redundant. But another option is a nicely voiced 15 watt tube amp tilted up like a monitor wedge in front of you, either miced or with a direct IR output device like CAB M+ for FOH. Ive actually been running my amp just as a personal monitor and not to feed the room or even the stage (everyone has foldback if they need more of me) for some time.
Would love to see the same thing with a Fender FR-12 or FR-10
Please make the same video with clean , Puch clean and a bit of rock & roll drive / blues sounds
To solve your problem for a flexible rig with sometimes having a real guitar cab and sometiems go direct into a pa is to have a multi effects to send one output direct to a pa and one output to a guitar cab. It would be mono, but so is running one guitar cab. You can set up your patches to have one output of your multi effects have an ir and the other doesnt. Boom problem solved. Comparing these two solutions is like comparing apples to oranges.
The Tonex sounds more polished and finished, akin to what you’d hear on a record. Additionally, I'd like to know if reverb on the Tonex was either on or off. On the other hand, the Slo sounds more raw and unprocessed, but that’s not the kind of sound you’d expect at a large concert. The Slo would be miked, compressed, and EQed for FOH which contributes to their polished finish the audience would hear. Since they were responsible for capturing the Tonex, they likely know the specific microphones used. It would be interesting to compare Slo miked like it was for the capture through the PA and then make a comparison. I suspect a lot of the difference would disappear, because miking matters. A LOT. However, I personally prefer the finished version of the Tonex. And the fact that I can buy it and use it anywhere with little or no additional work needed by FOH, makes the Tonex a no brainer. (Dirty little secret about live sound at large concerts: You're probably hearing a modeler out front. The stage amps are for the band. If there is a mic, it's being blended with a modeler. That's just how things are down now. Quie stage makes the house and monitors sound better at lower volume.)
This is what I hear every time. Amps are still open and thicker sounding. Digital is just very COMPRESSED
Thanks for the video.
I have questions about some things you did not address.
1. First, you demonstrated standing in front of the PA. On a gig you would be behind the PA speakers, and you would be hearing your guitar either from in ear monitors or a pa monitor. Question is... how does that compare to the live amp? I would assume the amp would sound much better. Am I wrong?
2. The way your amp responds such as sustain, feedback and tone does affect the way you play. Do you really think Tonex can match the feel of an amp?
3. Lastly... on a silent stage, wouldn't the drums be overpowering?
I'm old school and have never gigged with a modeler or silent stage. I am curious to educate myself and learn. But in the end... feel is everything.
I think this video is really all about them selling/promoting their ToneX packs. It’s where the money is and they will never run out of stock!
@@PhiLikeFlying thanks for your reply, Phil. Although i'm not quite sure what a Tonex pack is????? Maybe when you customize your own sound and save the setting? So, I'm guessing this Tonex is not a pllug in and play. Its some sort of interface between a computer program where you choose or create your sound?
Man, I feel old trying to keep up with technology. LOL
@@robertstorrow3990 Haha. 'Tonex One' is a pedal with built-in Amp captures from real Amps. So you can capture your own amp settings and play them back through the ToneX One without using your Amp - the sound is remarkably close to the real thing and very convenient. But they sell their captures. Its good way of making money. They will never run out of stock as its just a copy and paste thing..lol So to me i feel like all their doing is promoting their captures for the ToneX - and a lot of of Tonex owners are also on the band Wagon. Its a very good earner. Easy money maker, as long as the captures are good. But i will say in their defence, that their captures are really good and very useable. I downloaded some of their free captures and its really all i use. So i guess for the price of the captures compared to the price of a real amp, its a fantastic deal. £15 as opposed to say £2k or higher for a real amp? bargain :)
LPF between 8 and 10kHz on the PA system . That’ll make it sound more like the cab.
What is the most affordable PA that does this comparison justice? Not the same, but justice in light of the cost and logistical advantages of the ToneX? Danish Pete made the Positive Grid Spark Live sound amazing. What's available for even less than the Spark LIve $600 or so that does the ToneX (or Positive Grid app) justice?
I gotta admit, I’m sold on the ToneX and the PA. Lots of bottom end…wish you played that Les Paul style behind you Paul instead of that PRS 😊
The PA sounded better because of the thicc bottom-end. But how would it sound in a mix with a bass player? I think Soldano would cut through more, but it's crazy that with a tiny pedal and a PA you can get such awesome sounds.
WHAT IS THIS TONEX SORCERY!!!! WHAT THE PHUUUUUUUCK THAT THING SOUNDED GREAT!!!!! ALMOST BETTER THAN THE AMP!!!!!!!!
hopefully someday someone will release a pair of stereo IRs from that neumann binaural microphone. i'd love to have the amp in the room sound with headphones at night.
Wish you would of done the tonex through a power amp through the soldano cab too
The tonex capture doesn't have the rich bottom end the actual amp provided, listening thru my home theater speaker system.
Toy ears the ToneX has a alot going for it, need high pass, and upper mids 2.5khz boosted and the 8k brought down a tad to be more similar. There is likely some 600k missing as well, which depending on the musicians around you can be good or bad.
Is the PA speaker FRFR? I find with my Tonex One pedal, I like playing through an FRFR speaker on my modeling amp cab more because most of the modeled amps sound good through it because it was designed to handle a wide array of amp sounds. So not just the Soldano sounds good but also the Matchless, Trainwreck and PRS HDRX.
The biggest thing for me is the dynamics. Totally different. tone wise it's passable
Cut it down to 2x12“ and use Hoovi Deeflexx! ❤️
Thought I would leave this here as maybe you might take up challenge??? Take a 1958 re issue Gibson LP and say a Tokai LR, play them both then get a tech to swap electrics and pick ups from one to the other and test again… to see if it’s the wood or the internals etc . Saw a comparison test of the two guitars recently and wasn’t an awful lot in it but a swop of components would be so interesting.
You probably could make a better profile,it's more compressed at the low mids and not quite the separation,it's close enough to gig
That's all well and good, but I don't have a computer to capture the sounds! I love the sound of my Mesa Boogie amp, and my Marshall JC,M900! I'm not interested in using the mini pedal!
The amp was a little richer in the low mid but the Tonex sounded fine.
agreed
Grab yourself a QSC K12.2 up against the Soldano for in the room experience then use the QSC line out to the PA, you might be surprised!!
I have tried this configuration. There is a lack of punch with FRFR. You can have a lot of volume but the punch is not there on transients. I could not get the attack of a tube amp.
I put a mg30 and a hotone threw the line aray pa and sounds terrible but threw the valve amp sounds great. So it must be the tone x
I love how much people mention ‘you can’t fly with this’ or ‘can be your fly rig.’ The majority of people who own a tonex aren’t regularly gigging and the low percentage of those who are - the vast majority are not FLYING to gigs. So sure it’s cool, but probably 5 percent of 30 percent have that as a use case.
9:20 Yeh, what is it about a 'silent stage' (no foldback, all IEM) but a LIVE acoustic drummer *WITH* drum-fill. That's my scenario every gig. It's very difficult to get a vibe for the guitar through IEM only.
One is ears, one is microphone captured.
It’s a totally different things
Would have been interesting to see a blind test to see how many people thought the PA was the amp.
I hate to admit the Tonex PA sounds fuller more pleasing to my ears, might be added frequencies from the PA speakers. Has a shuggy bottom end even with single coils.
I love both though
Bottom end of the PA has too much information compared to a guitar cab. What would be interesting would be to see how a custom IR made from the same exact cabinet in the room would sound on this PA system
The difference is minimal and I dare say that with an EQ you can bring them even closer in sound
Here's the problem: Just this past weekend my band ran into a situation that renders something like a toneX insufficient. Normally, there are enough monitor mixes that every member gets their own mix. But this past weekend we showed up to a gig where there were TWO for the entire band! 5 guys sharing two mixes of which the drummer needs his own because he plays to a click and has tracks going to FOH. Now even if he had his own mixer to route the click independently, he still needs a mix to hear the rest of the band and his drums, leaving only one mix for the rest of us (4) to reproduce 2 guitars, bass and 3 vocals. Not way. I fortunately made the decision to bring our amps/cabs on this run just for this reason. Not to mention that a multi band night means you might not get the monitor mix you sound checked with. And we didn't. The monitors were completely different than soundcheck. Without our amps we would have had an absolutely terrible time.
Side note, the low end rumble present in this video is something that has turned me away from molders and profilers. I don't know why these developers can't figure this out but guitar amps don't create that much Lowe end, unmusical noise. My band uses Tube preamps with digital back ends. Synergy SYN 2 into a Two notes and a Friedman IR-X on the other side of the stage. Nothing in my 30 years of gigging sounds better vs a wall of guitar and bass amps.
Yes, I agree. A modeler sounds best on large, professional stages, with professional PA equipment and a sound engineer who knows what he's doing.
On stages with little or shared sound equipment, it's necessary to bring your tube amp because that reinforces the band's sound, both on and off stage. If you don't use in-ear or high-end professional PA equipment, the best thing is the regular amp. Also...this EV costs €2,200 or $2,200 approx. and you need two! €4,400 for my band of friends is unaffordable.