Wonder Woman in Injustice was an AH, but there's a reason for that. There are two major differences in the normal DC universe and the Injustice universe, those being The Joker and Steve Trevor. The Joker is obvious, his plan to nuke Metropolis and make Superman feel responsible for it was one thing, the other was Steve Trevor was a Nazi Soldier. He tricked the Amazons and Diana, getting her to go with him only to eventually get caught and declare he would love no woman as much as he loved the Nazi empire. That broke something in Diana, and she's been damaged ever since.
Fans who say this are usually of only two backgrounds. Wonder woman getting her own series would mean every other character needed their own. Hawkgirl, Flash, John, MM. It simply wasn't enough time.
@@BoosterGoldEarth6shes part of the trinity and has a longer history in the comics to use for stories If she got a series it doesnt mean the others need one too
In the DCAU, Wonder Woman started off as someone who didn't know about the world outside of her island, yet still wanted to help. Not to mention that she was raised with a warrior's mentality and an Amazonian's distrust of men. Plus, the constant battles against villains. Along with her temporary exile from her home and mother due to her decision to help mankind. These factors easily could play a role in the anger that Wonder Woman has shown throughout justice league and justice league unlimited, along with the fact that she does care. While Wonder Woman does sometimes need help to control her anger, I like how she does at times control her anger on her own. There is more to Diana than just her anger and warrior mentality. Wonder Woman does care.
Here's the thing though, Wonder Woman was taught to always extend the hand of peace and never give in to anger. The show kind of ignored that. They just made her into another Xena Warrior Princess. They barely show her as an ambassador to her people aside from that one episode.
I love when she was about to cave Toyman’s skull in after she thought he killed Superman and Flash says “we don’t do that to our enemies” and Diana just says “we? b-, you speaking French?”
@@GloomdrakeThey made Cheetah a batman villain, they made her learn the lessons to not kill her enemies when amazons were made for peace, she should be the one teaching those lessons, also the made Hades his dad and a bad guy, there are a lot of flaws with this version of wonder woman
In Wonder Woman's defense, the DCAU had an extinction level super villian threat every episode! I can see how being exiled from her home and her mother because she wanted to defend mankind effected her. She wants to go home but she can't because every week someone like Lex Luthor tries to take the planet over or become a god! That probably gets annoying after a few consecutive weeks of that type of stress.
So, she needs to WOMAN the hell up. She's not the only hero going through turmoil. Heck fucking Superman has to wake up everyday knowing that his species is extinct. He will never feel at home no matter how "human" he looks.
@@MythmasterFunky Also live with the fact that one wrong move and the bones of everyone he interacts with gets turned to dust. Superman himself said the world in made of cardboard. Witch by the way sounds like Sups is downplaying his own strength, by a lot.
That one scene where she tells Hawkgirl “I should leave you to burn” but still free her sums up Wonder Woman in a nutshell. She’s a warrior but still does what’s right.
A dang shame we never ever got an animated series about this version of Wonder Woman. This design and of course Susan Eisenberg voice is chefs kiss perfect. I wonder why we never got one.
Diana's characterization here reminded me of how she was written in Kingdom Come. But as we moved forward in the series. Diana slowly gets to develop to the Diana that we knew & love from the comics. And I LOVE that. And that's why she's still my fav depiction of Diana. Because we see her grow. And Susan CRUSHED it as Diana. Her voice is engrained in me ever since I was a kid. Could not hear a Wonder Woman quote without her voice playing in my head.
I mean she is angry when she has to be and definitely sometimes lets her emotions get the better of her but she is also kind, compassionate, caring, stubborn, opinionated, highly competitive and very outgoing. She tries to avoid conflict but if pressed she will engage in battle and will always defend her friends. DCAU Wonder Woman is fearless and focused on her objectives. She will not hide from her actions and always makes herself available to face the consequences. Diana is an unapologetic feminist. However, she does see her people's bias as problematic boarding on xenophobic.
This. Diana knows who she is and doesnt apologize for it, but she knows she isn't perfect, she is a paragon of will but knows that she can go overboard and is more than ready to accept being wrong.
When she snapped Maxwell Lords neck, i think it was a combination of everything mentioned here. It wasnt like Injust Superman. She just calmly twisted the mans neck like a door knob lmao 😂
@@sonicsucks20I actually liked it, it made a good deal of sense, certainly more than the Supes / Wondy ship DC does a lot. And it’s infinitely better than the Bruce / Barbara ship Bruce Timm insists on including nowadays.
@@magicaltour1At least the Super Wonder couple feels more natural, they have many things in common, not only powers, but that feeling that they are alone in the world, they lost their home (of course, Themiscyra didn' t explode like Krypton, and Diana isn't the last Amazon, but she was exiled from her people and can never return), and despite that, Superman and Wonder Woman are not beings of darkness and sadness, they share hope, kindness, faith, that relationship exalts both of them, not only Superman, and Clark helps Diana get closer to humanity and be more understanding, he removes the prejudices that she unconsciously has. With Batman it's the opposite, they have nothing in common that makes them minimally compatible, even the Bat himself says so in the series, and that relationship only magnifies Batman, it doesn't contribute anything to Wonder Woman, it only makes her looks like a bitch from Batman's harem.
Can we have this kind of writing back in today's world? Mature, respectful, unbiased, thought provoking, instead of the low effort trash we are being given.
@@kennethsatria6607 I mean you’re not wrong but it’s still a apparent standard. It’s less…consistent but not like to the point I’m going to put it down
This has always and will always be my *FAVORITE* Version of Wonder Woman ever It's seriously a crying shame she didn't get her own TV show. She was definitely the most interesting character on the show
This sshow made me love wonfer woman. Despite being the oldest person in the league. Shes the newest to being a hero. Shes brash. Angry and aggressive. It makes a fun dynamic. Shes also super confident as a woman..really interesting character. I also love love that she loves my favourite hero batman
Diana is always a hothead and usually has that annoying "holier-than-thou" warrior mentality. Plus, she can really hold a grudge, and all that together is why she is never the PR person or tactician of the League like Clark or Bruce. But at the end of the day, if the writers know what they're doing, she's still a compassionate hero who does what's right, even if it makes her sad or angry.
The writers didn't get her character right. Wonder Woman should be wise, level-headed, and patient . She left her island to represent herself as a diplomat, not a bloodthirsty warrior .
DC In the live action is better everything Hollywood is better.Hollywood DC is as good as Marvel Hollywood.Everything Hollywood is better.I prefer DC and the Hollywood project with the Batman movies.Superman films everything hollywood It's better it matches the Marvel Hollywood for me. Animation on DC is trash.
While i understood her dislike of Hawkgirl after what happened, i felt like her holding onto the grudge was a bit out of character. Even BATMAN forgave Hawkgirl. Diana is not a bad character, but her intense aggression is a little off for a millenia old warrior
Na I guess she values loyalty alot. Hawkgirl betrayed them told alein invaders the teams weakness for years she gained there trust just to betray them.
Batman forgave Hawkgirl cause he knows that if it came down to Earth and another Planet, he'd choose Earth, however for Diana she'd be willing to stand with the Earth cause that's her only home.
I think it was drawing off Diana’s history in Tower of Babel and other similar showing. It got cut from the justice league doom movie-the one where Batman’s plans all nearly kill the Justice League? In it she says something like. “I actually don’t blame people for their circumstances. For feeling like they need a safeguard against us for themselves and their home. I also don’t depend on them to save my life in a fight though.” Forgiving Batman in that instance but still wanting him off the league. It makes sense for a warrior. Because playing in Diana’s weight league means she’s not actually immortal. Soldiers have a reputation for blunt and simple because getting any fancier with it usually gets ugly. Gets lethal. Hawk girl was a lot of things but none of them were simple. 😅
It makes cultural sense, Diana was raised on a military culture with a misandrist way of thinking, for her people, the idea of sisterhood and loyalty is essential, and what separates them from the men's world, that's why she is the "spirit of truth".
This channel makes me feel a lot less weird for absolutely obsessing over Smallville and integrating Clarks personally and morals into my own. It drives me nuts when people say this about tv and such but Smallville raised me.
@@wonder_platypus8337 it kinda is unless we'd have total anarchy You'd probably say differently if someone stole every penny from your accounts or tried to kill your family
I love how you make me look back at all these series. This new unlicensed background music you use is so peaceful 😂 I literally woke up to it playing in my head.
Angry? She just seems like a soldier/commander in the field. It’s her game face. now if you see her kicking puppies in civilian clothes on the way to get a coffee and bagel you have a problem.
Batman mellows out because you need that Everyman/human element to keep power in check. Batman even says that to Green Arrow when he gets inducted. The events from Superman TAS had him realize how dangerous he could be if his power was manipulated. Throughout JL, you see him getting angrier in order to keep someone like Luther from using his own power to manipulate everyone to achieve his own selfish ends. Superman keeps teetering more into using his power to stop those ends, but absolute power corrupts, which ties into the Justice Lords storyline. Batman is there to keep him in check.
@@jaybone2321 I would say it shouldn't be Batman because the man is paranoid. Whereas Superman is the optimistic one who generally would keep anyone in check while not being power hungry. Batman likes to be in control
@@UnifiedEntity I agree, but that’s why they play off each other well. At times, Superman can be overly optimistic, like when he didn’t want to consider the Justice Lord scenario because he felt he’d never do that, but you still need to consider what could push you to that point. Batman is pragmatic but is also paranoid of simple ideas, like when Wonder Woman asked him out (more/less). The middle man here was actually Green Arrow during the Cadmus arc. He was the voice of reason since he’s neither overly optimistic or paranoid. Just good writing all over when you see how they balanced all the characters.
Even when Wonder Woman was at her peak in the DCEU in 2017 I thought the DCAU version still had her conflicting views, beliefs, and goals that seemed more fleshed out than her live-action counterpart. And then WW 1984 came in to wreck so much potential. Gal Gadot deserved as much love for her character as Susan Eisenberg got.
Shes passionate about fighting for justice, but gets wore down by the apparant lack of progress. Theirs always someone letting their ego and hatred dominate their life and cause suffering for others. Love is a hard emotion to find and use.
DCAU Wonder Woman was really hit and miss, but the lows were lower than the highs were high. I'll just get this out of the way first: her crush on Batman was not a good thing. People complain that it often felt like Batman was written as a self-insert, and having the hottest female in the universe crush over him (despite his abrasive personality that rubs everyone else the wrong way) was the cherry on top. It really seemed like it was written more to re-emphasize how cool and suave the writers thought Batman was as opposed to giving WW any real character depth. But other than that, we had stuff like her immature squabbling with Hawkgirl and her over-the-top anger and it's really not a great take on the character. I mean, what reason did she have for taking Hawkgirl's portrayal more personally than the others, other than that they bickered throughout most of the series? And why did they bicker in the first place? Then there's the fact that WW was treated as the team rookie in the beginning instead of being one of the elder statespeople that other heroes look up to, and how she didn't get to earn her status as a distinguished Amazon among her peers and instead secretly escaped from the island with the stolen armor. I'm just shaking my head thinking about how they could've written a better version of this character. But to the show's credit, Paradise Lost was a good, emotional episode with palpable heartbreak.
I've gotta say, your style of videos has really inspired me to change how I go about my scripts, and has helped me start to gradually develop a style I'm much happier with. I hope that doesn't come across the wrong way, I just think you have a fantastic way of going about these topics, and I almost always click on your videos the moment they come out
Best version of wonder women period and she's not that angry i mean she did stop hating on men which is one of the reasons this is the best version of her she actually learns Never mind she's really angry after i watched a bit more of the video and i love the stock scream they used here 1:09😂
Another interesting piece of subtle characterization in the episode is that Hawk's eyes are whited out while Dove's aren't which gives you more of the impression that Dove is actually paying attention to what is going on around him.
I find it weird seeing superman having a temper. That seems like the edge lord super man for writers who can't write anything more complex that "superman is evil because I'm so CREATIVE."
8:46 I know totally unrelated, but having Aquaman at the justice league meeting table gave me so many happies, since the episode here was an homage to the justice friends show. Also because Aquaman is the only member who can walk around shirtless with his chiseled pecs out and I had such a huge crush on this version of Aquaman!
@@Superlad945 I'm not entirely sure if he is or isn't counted as a founding league member, since in justice league he only acted upon protecting atlantis and siding with the league, but was never really declared a member.
@@Superlad945 that's actually really cool, I need to find his notes on the series. This version of Aquaman is by far my favorite, and would have loved to see more episodes with him in
Well… ya… of course she is? She’s an immortal princess from an island of powerful Amazonian warriors who lived on an island for her whole life. Honestly with the stuff people said and did in this show she showed an impressive level of restraint.
I know this sounds kinda cliche and ridiculous, but i just rewatched all the cars movies and realized that lightning mcqueen had a really interesting ark. The first movie setting him up for becoming a legend, the second is learning what makes him one, and the third is learning to pass on his legacy. its actually really poetic. i think it would be a really good video idea.
Just like almost every character in this show they are the ideal versions of the characters i had in my mind reading about them growing up. This version of wonder woman was perfect.
Interestingly, the North Kaznian general that Ares sells the Annihilator to has an attitude far more in line with the god Mars, Ares Roman counterpart. Specifically, war for the sake of defending territory, rather than simply for the sake of war itself.
Of course Diana has anger issues. But that's what makes her awesome. That an her unwavering sense of justice. And the episode with Hawk and Dove was kinda of a throwback, with Kevin (Hawk) & Wayne (Dove) was great
While I feel Diana has her reasons for holding onto her distrust and her grudge against Hawkgirl because of Hawkgirl proving she wasn't throwing in her lot with the league and proving her loyalty with them, she is still that naive warrior princess in that she doesn't consider the fact that while yes, while she cares about loyalty above all else, and Hawkgirl also values that kind of loyalty, Diana never considered that Hawkgirl's loyalty was first to her people, not to a bunch of people she only met like a year ago As for the rest of her anger issues throughout the show, she had never had a taste for how the grain of life ran outside of themyscira, while she got that world ending threats were a once every so often kind of thing, she never got that things just below that that most heroes deal with on the daily happen well, on the daily. For the longest time she felt distant because she didn't want to get attached to anything, but then she saw that if she continues to pursue the ideal of seeing justice be done, she might well be here for god knows how long, and that ticked her off that helping to continue seeing justice be done in the world outside of her tiny little island wasn't ever going to have just one easy fix. That's why she was particularly angry in that opening of the episode where she was like, "I just wanted one day off where I could pretend that the ideal goal I so greatly want to see accomplished could actually happen without me being there to keep it going" and that's also why in that same vein of anger, therein lies her reason why she started to get truly attached to the league and some of it's members in particular, namely Bruce and John, and why Hawkgirl's betrayal continued to hurt, because once she had "accepted" that helping to bring justice to man's world wasn't just a one and done job, she began to see that the league truly were her new sister/s(and brothers) in her new isolated floating fortress in the sky and she would be able to rely on them to always help her see out that ideal goal, and when Hawkgirl, a women, the kind of person she had grew and known for being able to trust to the ends of the earth for the last how ever many thousands of years on her island home, when hawkgirl betrayed the league, she particularly betrayed Diana in her mind because of that context
I kind of feel like she and Hawkgirl were only friends in the sense of "2 chicks in a room full of dudes". Women stick together instinctively so it becomes kind of a superficial relationship.
1:50 dcau Diana wants to live among humanity and enjoy the richness of "man's world". She is basically Ariel a Disney princess. But imagine if Ariel was also a warrior of Atlantis. And that instead of going on her date Ariel had to keep stopping nearby crime in Eric's kingdom.
Justice league episodes ran for years in a disjointed loop where I live, so that moment when Diana almost killed Toyman was the first time I've seen the cartoon knocking at the walls to show how thin is the separation between a heroic teen's cartoon and a murderous gore fest.
The angry DCU Wonder Woman is a result of a drive to focus on her as a warrior Amazon around early 2000. This is when she went to using a sword a lot as opposed to relying on her powers and lasso. She is comparable to Superman in power, but she needs a sword where as he does not. Wonder Woman is an angry agent of peace. The saddest scene is in JLA Dark where she stops a person plagued with visions of monsters from hurting others. When the victim says they see monsters, Wonder Woman says the only monster she sees is the victim- this is the bad ass Wonder Woman who is tougher than any of the makes around her. That message is peace is a drive to be strong and sarcastic.
Your videos help me appreciate not only these charcters on a deeper level but you shine a light upon the aspects of them that prior, i am blind to. thank you for showing me hope and beauty in an otherwise Dark world.
I like the duality of this version of Wonder Woman. She is a warrior and can be aggressive at times but it’s ultimately due to her compassion and love for others.
My only issue I have with this episode is that the "Dove" mentality is all well and good for interpersonal situations, but is less applicable on the international level.
@@xXichibanBaller The beauty of the Cold War is that bullets were never fired between the main powers at play. This episode portrays an active warzone. It's a few steps down the road.
I know you probs won't see this, but it had to be said. 1. I've watched and thoroughly enjoyed four of your video essays relating to the DCAU. I have always loved the writing within this universe, your stellar analysis helps me better understand that adoration. 2. Wonder Woman IS angry, but what I always loved about this characterization is that the frustration is justified. We can get behind the desire to pummel Mongul, hold a grudge against Shayera, or beat a murderous Toyman. This relatable rage is why the Hawk and Dove episode work so well. 3. I love how you edit, especially your endings. They feel very narrative and poetic. Reminds me of the old amvs where folks would edit together characters from different movies to tell a story.❤ 4. Will you ever do a vid on wonderbat? Asking for a friend....
“Just get a service job don’t take risks, don’t got to college, don’t try to better yourself” Can’t keep up with the cost of living and inflation “You should’ve taken more risks. You should’ve gone to college. You should’ve tried to better yourself.” I did what I was told to do and now I can’t make ends meet or start a family. “That’s a good thing! You have enough! Be grateful!” * Explains how the economy is failing due solely to the greed of the obscenely wealthy “STOP BEING POOR!”
Also, Hawk and Dove were voiced by Fred Savage and Jason Hervey, best known for playing Kevin and and Wayne Arnold on “The Wonder Years”, respectively. (Another pair of brothers with a frequently combative relationship.)
She was raised on an island of spartanesque women who, while teaching her a fairly high moral code... also taught her that men are the antithesis to everything her tribe stands for.... yeah, I'd say she has issues.
The Ego/Superego/Id stuff is all very insightful and provides a thematic take on this episode that I hadn’t thought of, but what are we Jungians to do? Will there ever be a video for us?
Diana Wonder Woman is Souless in the animation vision.Wonder Woman belongs in Hollywood.Everything in Hollywood on DC is better.Just like Hollywood Marvel, everything would Hollywood.On DC is better, everything should be in Hollywood.Batman is better in Hollywood.Wonder Woman's better in Hollywood green lanterns better in Hollywood.Everything in hollywood is better
@@Supersammy22_290 I agree on to a certain point the animation makes Wonder Woman too hard the comic books is originator Hartford character in a true character in a true character is compassion the animators have lost that connection.
If that the case then what the point of her being apart of the justice league. If she a warrior then she need be in the military not apart of a group of superhuman citizens.
@@redflame2328The point of Diana being in the JL is that she wants to do good but don't know it herself so she depends on those she trust to hold her when she goes past the line. Saying she is a warrior and not a hero is just about how she thinks and her way to see events that is different from how a heroic character like Sperman or Flash would do it.
Y'know, I never really liked this episode. I usually skip it during rewatches. But in this recontextualization, I feel like I just simply missed something about it. So thank you, I suppose, for seeing that there's more to this than simply an 'angry guy who's wrong-calm guy who's right' story.
Still your favorite trash film wow DC animations c***** and garbage lame boring i can't even understand a garbage lame Hollywood D c's better Hollywood is the king of DC superhero movies. Hollywood beats animation. DC Hollywood is better. Everything Hollywood's better hollywood d c's better as good as Marvel. Hollywood, everything, Hollywood is better. Animation DC is no Good it's lame
I recently rewatched the 2 parter where one of the Amazons tries to kill all men, showing the unhealthy prejudices of the Amazons and Diana herself. Was hoping that would get a mention in your analysis of her but I still liked your video. I always enjoy your videos.
The DC amazons are an idealized version of one man's sex fantasy portrayed as pro-feminism in order to be published. Also helps he completely ignored how horrible they were, save for the mind control girths that he glosses over.
@@crhu319 Same reason people adore Donald Trump or Orion Pax adored Megatron. She is a powerful person that seems similar to them and they wish to be that powerful.
She has a nice balance between angry and compassionate unlike some other Wonder Woman which did her a major Injustice
She was pos in injustice
Nice.
That Wonder Woman had a different origin story. Steve Trevor was a spy for the Axis instead of the Allies.
Wonder Woman in Injustice was an AH, but there's a reason for that. There are two major differences in the normal DC universe and the Injustice universe, those being The Joker and Steve Trevor. The Joker is obvious, his plan to nuke Metropolis and make Superman feel responsible for it was one thing, the other was Steve Trevor was a Nazi Soldier. He tricked the Amazons and Diana, getting her to go with him only to eventually get caught and declare he would love no woman as much as he loved the Nazi empire. That broke something in Diana, and she's been damaged ever since.
@@darkmask5933 She should stayed on the wonderbat and that wouldn't of happened
I know you were fighting back insane diarrhoea when editing this, proud of you bro..
It wasn't as runny as you think
Ew😂
@@ImplicitlyPretentiousI'm glad I'm not the only one who had this problems
Lmao
We need this collaboration.
Wonder woman deserved her own series in DCAU, she was a good character in a lot of episodes.
But underdeveloped
@@srstriker6420 exactly why she needs her own series
Fans who say this are usually of only two backgrounds. Wonder woman getting her own series would mean every other character needed their own. Hawkgirl, Flash, John, MM. It simply wasn't enough time.
@@BoosterGoldEarth6shes part of the trinity and has a longer history in the comics to use for stories
If she got a series it doesnt mean the others need one too
The same argument could be made for many characters in JLU
Her scene with Toyman is one of the best in JLU. "I'm gonna punch a hole in your head" without a hint of embellishment
I mean, she was, rightfully, completely and absolutely mad af
In the DCAU, Wonder Woman started off as someone who didn't know about the world outside of her island, yet still wanted to help. Not to mention that she was raised with a warrior's mentality and an Amazonian's distrust of men. Plus, the constant battles against villains. Along with her temporary exile from her home and mother due to her decision to help mankind. These factors easily could play a role in the anger that Wonder Woman has shown throughout justice league and justice league unlimited, along with the fact that she does care. While Wonder Woman does sometimes need help to control her anger, I like how she does at times control her anger on her own. There is more to Diana than just her anger and warrior mentality. Wonder Woman does care.
Perfect said
Wonder Woman would probably rather jump naked into a big pile of thumbtacks, than go visit the Mojo Dojo Casa House.
YES
Here's the thing though,
Wonder Woman was taught to always extend the hand of peace and never give in to anger. The show kind of ignored that. They just made her into another Xena Warrior Princess.
They barely show her as an ambassador to her people aside from that one episode.
@@leohino9211for real, this version of diana is horrible
I love when she was about to cave Toyman’s skull in after she thought he killed Superman and Flash says “we don’t do that to our enemies” and Diana just says “we? b-, you speaking French?”
Flash did have a stronger comeback for that.
DCAU is the definitive version of DC as far as I'm concerned.
Dcau is the gold standard
or maybe you’re just nostalgia blind
@@ToasterLad_you’d think, but it holds up on rewatch, which is really neat
@@GloomdrakeThey made Cheetah a batman villain, they made her learn the lessons to not kill her enemies when amazons were made for peace, she should be the one teaching those lessons, also the made Hades his dad and a bad guy, there are a lot of flaws with this version of wonder woman
In Wonder Woman's defense, the DCAU had an extinction level super villian threat every episode! I can see how being exiled from her home and her mother because she wanted to defend mankind effected her.
She wants to go home but she can't because every week someone like Lex Luthor tries to take the planet over or become a god! That probably gets annoying after a few consecutive weeks of that type of stress.
That's a Tuesday afternoon in Metropolis for Superman
So, she needs to WOMAN the hell up. She's not the only hero going through turmoil. Heck fucking Superman has to wake up everyday knowing that his species is extinct. He will never feel at home no matter how "human" he looks.
@@MythmasterFunky Also live with the fact that one wrong move and the bones of everyone he interacts with gets turned to dust. Superman himself said the world in made of cardboard. Witch by the way sounds like Sups is downplaying his own strength, by a lot.
That one scene where she tells Hawkgirl “I should leave you to burn” but still free her sums up Wonder Woman in a nutshell. She’s a warrior but still does what’s right.
Susan Eisenberg is by far my favorite Wonder Woman. Her voice has so much power behind it.
A dang shame we never ever got an animated series about this version of Wonder Woman. This design and of course Susan Eisenberg voice is chefs kiss perfect. I wonder why we never got one.
Wonder Woman is passionate, this can make her very aggressive, but also very kind.
Diana's characterization here reminded me of how she was written in Kingdom Come. But as we moved forward in the series. Diana slowly gets to develop to the Diana that we knew & love from the comics. And I LOVE that. And that's why she's still my fav depiction of Diana. Because we see her grow. And Susan CRUSHED it as Diana. Her voice is engrained in me ever since I was a kid. Could not hear a Wonder Woman quote without her voice playing in my head.
I mean she is angry when she has to be and definitely sometimes lets her emotions get the better of her but she is also kind, compassionate, caring, stubborn, opinionated, highly competitive and very outgoing. She tries to avoid conflict but if pressed she will engage in battle and will always defend her friends. DCAU Wonder Woman is fearless and focused on her objectives. She will not hide from her actions and always makes herself available to face the consequences. Diana is an unapologetic feminist. However, she does see her people's bias as problematic boarding on xenophobic.
This.
Diana knows who she is and doesnt apologize for it, but she knows she isn't perfect, she is a paragon of will but knows that she can go overboard and is more than ready to accept being wrong.
When she snapped Maxwell Lords neck, i think it was a combination of everything mentioned here.
It wasnt like Injust Superman. She just calmly twisted the mans neck like a door knob lmao 😂
A humble but fiery Wonder Woman is my favorite
DCSHG, DCAU, and DCU are my favorite ones
@@jamestolbert1856
Which "DCU"?
And by "DCSHG" do you mean 2015 or 2019?
DCAU Wonder Woman was one of my biggest childhood crushes.
Monkey Boy currently has a crush on Robot Chun Li.🐒👦❤🇨🇳🤖🐒👧
still one of the best wonder women portrayals i've ever watched
For even Batman to have feelings for her and vice versa, being able to handle each other just showed her amazing character
BatWonder what the worst thing the DC series has ever promoted in this company. It devalues both, but mostly Wondy for being a Batman floozy.
what are you yapping about
@@ToasterLad_non ur business
@@sonicsucks20I actually liked it, it made a good deal of sense, certainly more than the Supes / Wondy ship DC does a lot. And it’s infinitely better than the Bruce / Barbara ship Bruce Timm insists on including nowadays.
@@magicaltour1At least the Super Wonder couple feels more natural, they have many things in common, not only powers, but that feeling that they are alone in the world, they lost their home (of course, Themiscyra didn' t explode like Krypton, and Diana isn't the last Amazon, but she was exiled from her people and can never return), and despite that, Superman and Wonder Woman are not beings of darkness and sadness, they share hope, kindness, faith, that relationship exalts both of them, not only Superman, and Clark helps Diana get closer to humanity and be more understanding, he removes the prejudices that she unconsciously has.
With Batman it's the opposite, they have nothing in common that makes them minimally compatible, even the Bat himself says so in the series, and that relationship only magnifies Batman, it doesn't contribute anything to Wonder Woman, it only makes her looks like a bitch from Batman's harem.
DCAU wonder woman lived up to the old quote "wehn i deal with my enemies i DEAL WITH THEM"
Can we have this kind of writing back in today's world? Mature, respectful, unbiased, thought provoking, instead of the low effort trash we are being given.
There is great stuff being made, what you are paying attention to is the real question.
@@MeningitisAAA Yes but quality like this used to be the standard though, many good shows with solid morals and priorities, alongside great action
@@kennethsatria6607 I mean you’re not wrong but it’s still a apparent standard. It’s less…consistent but not like to the point I’m going to put it down
@@kennethsatria6607 not really. For every justice justice league back then you would get three lunatics unleashed.
no writing is unbiased
Hephaestus is just trying to make the best product for his customer. That outfit was bespoke.
This has always and will always be my
*FAVORITE* Version of Wonder Woman ever
It's seriously a crying shame she didn't get her own TV show.
She was definitely the most interesting character on the show
I was scared for the villains near her
This sshow made me love wonfer woman. Despite being the oldest person in the league. Shes the newest to being a hero. Shes brash. Angry and aggressive. It makes a fun dynamic. Shes also super confident as a woman..really interesting character. I also love love that she loves my favourite hero batman
You're right, you are... Im sorry but I have to say it...
*"Wonfer Woman"* 😂
I'm sorry im sorry.
@@puffygasp3982 lmao. Don't be. My bad. In fact ill leave it that way so people will ujderstsnd ur comment
I hate BatWonder.
@@sonicsucks20 thats alright homie. Not all of us can have taste its ok
Diana is always a hothead and usually has that annoying "holier-than-thou" warrior mentality. Plus, she can really hold a grudge, and all that together is why she is never the PR person or tactician of the League like Clark or Bruce. But at the end of the day, if the writers know what they're doing, she's still a compassionate hero who does what's right, even if it makes her sad or angry.
The writers didn't get her character right. Wonder Woman should be wise, level-headed, and patient . She left her island to represent herself as a diplomat, not a bloodthirsty warrior .
DC In the live action is better everything Hollywood is better.Hollywood DC is as good as Marvel Hollywood.Everything Hollywood is better.I prefer DC and the Hollywood project with the Batman movies.Superman films everything hollywood It's better it matches the Marvel Hollywood for me. Animation on DC is trash.
I don't think she is angry, I think she is deliberate. I love it. She is my favorite character in JL and JLU.
When Diana asks Hephaetus how to defeat the Annihilator, I think he says, "With that attitude you'll never defeat it." Thus, he told her the secret.
The best Wonder Woman will always be Susan Eisenberg
While i understood her dislike of Hawkgirl after what happened, i felt like her holding onto the grudge was a bit out of character. Even BATMAN forgave Hawkgirl. Diana is not a bad character, but her intense aggression is a little off for a millenia old warrior
Na I guess she values loyalty alot. Hawkgirl betrayed them told alein invaders the teams weakness for years she gained there trust just to betray them.
Batman forgave Hawkgirl cause he knows that if it came down to Earth and another Planet, he'd choose Earth, however for Diana she'd be willing to stand with the Earth cause that's her only home.
I think it was drawing off Diana’s history in Tower of Babel and other similar showing. It got cut from the justice league doom movie-the one where Batman’s plans all nearly kill the Justice League?
In it she says something like. “I actually don’t blame people for their circumstances. For feeling like they need a safeguard against us for themselves and their home.
I also don’t depend on them to save my life in a fight though.” Forgiving Batman in that instance but still wanting him off the league.
It makes sense for a warrior. Because playing in Diana’s weight league means she’s not actually immortal. Soldiers have a reputation for blunt and simple because getting any fancier with it usually gets ugly. Gets lethal.
Hawk girl was a lot of things but none of them were simple. 😅
I would not call it a grudge. She just did not trust Hawkgirl, which makes sense.
It makes cultural sense, Diana was raised on a military culture with a misandrist way of thinking, for her people, the idea of sisterhood and loyalty is essential, and what separates them from the men's world, that's why she is the "spirit of truth".
This channel makes me feel a lot less weird for absolutely obsessing over Smallville and integrating Clarks personally and morals into my own. It drives me nuts when people say this about tv and such but Smallville raised me.
There's better people on Smallville than Clark
@@friedfrog5447 sure. Does that change anything I said about my own personal experience? No. Buzz off buzz kill.
@@wonder_platypus8337 Whatever...Clark's morals aren't even good
@@friedfrog5447 you're trying to objectively say something about morality. That isn't how morality works.
@@wonder_platypus8337 it kinda is unless we'd have total anarchy
You'd probably say differently if someone stole every penny from your accounts or tried to kill your family
I love how you make me look back at all these series. This new unlicensed background music you use is so peaceful 😂 I literally woke up to it playing in my head.
Angry? She just seems like a soldier/commander in the field. It’s her game face. now if you see her kicking puppies in civilian clothes on the way to get a coffee and bagel you have a problem.
It's funny, in Justice League Superman overall is more stern and dare I say more angry. Same as wonder woman.
Meanwhile Batman mellows out.
Batman mellows out because you need that Everyman/human element to keep power in check. Batman even says that to Green Arrow when he gets inducted. The events from Superman TAS had him realize how dangerous he could be if his power was manipulated. Throughout JL, you see him getting angrier in order to keep someone like Luther from using his own power to manipulate everyone to achieve his own selfish ends. Superman keeps teetering more into using his power to stop those ends, but absolute power corrupts, which ties into the Justice Lords storyline. Batman is there to keep him in check.
@@jaybone2321 I would say it shouldn't be Batman because the man is paranoid. Whereas Superman is the optimistic one who generally would keep anyone in check while not being power hungry. Batman likes to be in control
@@UnifiedEntity I agree, but that’s why they play off each other well. At times, Superman can be overly optimistic, like when he didn’t want to consider the Justice Lord scenario because he felt he’d never do that, but you still need to consider what could push you to that point. Batman is pragmatic but is also paranoid of simple ideas, like when Wonder Woman asked him out (more/less). The middle man here was actually Green Arrow during the Cadmus arc. He was the voice of reason since he’s neither overly optimistic or paranoid. Just good writing all over when you see how they balanced all the characters.
Major props to Michael York as Aries, brilliant line delivery at 6:04 😂
Even when Wonder Woman was at her peak in the DCEU in 2017 I thought the DCAU version still had her conflicting views, beliefs, and goals that seemed more fleshed out than her live-action counterpart. And then WW 1984 came in to wreck so much potential. Gal Gadot deserved as much love for her character as Susan Eisenberg got.
Gal shouldn't have acted like Diana of Themyscira. WW is a character of love n war, Gal was a murderer who killed many Palestinian innocent people.
Shes passionate about fighting for justice, but gets wore down by the apparant lack of progress. Theirs always someone letting their ego and hatred dominate their life and cause suffering for others. Love is a hard emotion to find and use.
Trauma ? i was traumatized once they put me on an essay, a video essay video essays give me trauma. . . Trauma?
DCAU Wonder Woman was really hit and miss, but the lows were lower than the highs were high.
I'll just get this out of the way first: her crush on Batman was not a good thing. People complain that it often felt like Batman was written as a self-insert, and having the hottest female in the universe crush over him (despite his abrasive personality that rubs everyone else the wrong way) was the cherry on top. It really seemed like it was written more to re-emphasize how cool and suave the writers thought Batman was as opposed to giving WW any real character depth.
But other than that, we had stuff like her immature squabbling with Hawkgirl and her over-the-top anger and it's really not a great take on the character. I mean, what reason did she have for taking Hawkgirl's portrayal more personally than the others, other than that they bickered throughout most of the series? And why did they bicker in the first place?
Then there's the fact that WW was treated as the team rookie in the beginning instead of being one of the elder statespeople that other heroes look up to, and how she didn't get to earn her status as a distinguished Amazon among her peers and instead secretly escaped from the island with the stolen armor.
I'm just shaking my head thinking about how they could've written a better version of this character. But to the show's credit, Paradise Lost was a good, emotional episode with palpable heartbreak.
I've gotta say, your style of videos has really inspired me to change how I go about my scripts, and has helped me start to gradually develop a style I'm much happier with. I hope that doesn't come across the wrong way, I just think you have a fantastic way of going about these topics, and I almost always click on your videos the moment they come out
Best version of wonder women period and she's not that angry i mean she did stop hating on men which is one of the reasons this is the best version of her she actually learns
Never mind she's really angry after i watched a bit more of the video and i love the stock scream they used here 1:09😂
Facts
@@BoosterGoldEarth6 yes
Another interesting piece of subtle characterization in the episode is that Hawk's eyes are whited out while Dove's aren't which gives you more of the impression that Dove is actually paying attention to what is going on around him.
Susan Eisenberg will always be my Wonder Woman. Eat your heart out Gal Gadot.
I mean it’s not fair to compare an animated version to a live action version
I don't think Gal Gadot cares about who you prefer, respectfully.
@Maya_hee nor should anyone care ab that w**re
I find it weird seeing superman having a temper. That seems like the edge lord super man for writers who can't write anything more complex that "superman is evil because I'm so CREATIVE."
Superman can get pissed off, if you push him enough. He's not Captain Marvel/Shazam.
Superman always had a temper even in comics since the golden age era.
Edgelord means nothing.... Just a buzzword people like you throws around at anything complex or realistic
In my youth, DCAU Wonderwoman was my crush. Next to Hawkgirl and Huntress.
You gotta love the intro between the wrath of punchy-punchy-murderous-rage to "the pasta's good." "It's the sauce."
8:46 I know totally unrelated, but having Aquaman at the justice league meeting table gave me so many happies, since the episode here was an homage to the justice friends show.
Also because Aquaman is the only member who can walk around shirtless with his chiseled pecs out and I had such a huge crush on this version of Aquaman!
@@Superlad945 I'm not entirely sure if he is or isn't counted as a founding league member, since in justice league he only acted upon protecting atlantis and siding with the league, but was never really declared a member.
@@Superlad945 that's actually really cool, I need to find his notes on the series. This version of Aquaman is by far my favorite, and would have loved to see more episodes with him in
Well… ya… of course she is?
She’s an immortal princess from an island of powerful Amazonian warriors who lived on an island for her whole life. Honestly with the stuff people said and did in this show she showed an impressive level of restraint.
Ya she’s the only one of the trinity that’s a killer and born warrior,she’s very passionate
I know this sounds kinda cliche and ridiculous, but i just rewatched all the cars movies and realized that lightning mcqueen had a really interesting ark. The first movie setting him up for becoming a legend, the second is learning what makes him one, and the third is learning to pass on his legacy. its actually really poetic. i think it would be a really good video idea.
Yeah! I seriously don't get the hate for cars 2, I thought it was a great dose of world building, and character development.
Just like almost every character in this show they are the ideal versions of the characters i had in my mind reading about them growing up. This version of wonder woman was perfect.
Interestingly, the North Kaznian general that Ares sells the Annihilator to has an attitude far more in line with the god Mars, Ares Roman counterpart. Specifically, war for the sake of defending territory, rather than simply for the sake of war itself.
Of course Diana has anger issues. But that's what makes her awesome. That an her unwavering sense of justice. And the episode with Hawk and Dove was kinda of a throwback, with Kevin (Hawk) & Wayne (Dove) was great
I love how you use DC and many other comic based media to showcase behaviors we can relate to I really do love it ❤❤❤
It's nice to know Jason Hervey from the Wonder Years plays Dove.
She's not angry she's just a fierce warrior princess
But flip side, she is one of the most compassionate and loving out of everyone in the league
Ugh, no...
Lol, great vid but my Batman will ALWAYS be the Batman who looks the whole JL in the face and says "You want me to WHAT?!"
While I feel Diana has her reasons for holding onto her distrust and her grudge against Hawkgirl because of Hawkgirl proving she wasn't throwing in her lot with the league and proving her loyalty with them, she is still that naive warrior princess in that she doesn't consider the fact that while yes, while she cares about loyalty above all else, and Hawkgirl also values that kind of loyalty, Diana never considered that Hawkgirl's loyalty was first to her people, not to a bunch of people she only met like a year ago
As for the rest of her anger issues throughout the show, she had never had a taste for how the grain of life ran outside of themyscira, while she got that world ending threats were a once every so often kind of thing, she never got that things just below that that most heroes deal with on the daily happen well, on the daily. For the longest time she felt distant because she didn't want to get attached to anything, but then she saw that if she continues to pursue the ideal of seeing justice be done, she might well be here for god knows how long, and that ticked her off that helping to continue seeing justice be done in the world outside of her tiny little island wasn't ever going to have just one easy fix. That's why she was particularly angry in that opening of the episode where she was like, "I just wanted one day off where I could pretend that the ideal goal I so greatly want to see accomplished could actually happen without me being there to keep it going" and that's also why in that same vein of anger, therein lies her reason why she started to get truly attached to the league and some of it's members in particular, namely Bruce and John, and why Hawkgirl's betrayal continued to hurt, because once she had "accepted" that helping to bring justice to man's world wasn't just a one and done job, she began to see that the league truly were her new sister/s(and brothers) in her new isolated floating fortress in the sky and she would be able to rely on them to always help her see out that ideal goal, and when Hawkgirl, a women, the kind of person she had grew and known for being able to trust to the ends of the earth for the last how ever many thousands of years on her island home, when hawkgirl betrayed the league, she particularly betrayed Diana in her mind because of that context
I kind of feel like she and Hawkgirl were only friends in the sense of "2 chicks in a room full of dudes". Women stick together instinctively so it becomes kind of a superficial relationship.
Man I do love me strong warrior women that don't take any shit but are still effeminate.
Diana and Shayera always get me actin up.
1:50 dcau Diana wants to live among humanity and enjoy the richness of "man's world". She is basically Ariel a Disney princess. But imagine if Ariel was also a warrior of Atlantis. And that instead of going on her date Ariel had to keep stopping nearby crime in Eric's kingdom.
Justice league episodes ran for years in a disjointed loop where I live, so that moment when Diana almost killed Toyman was the first time I've seen the cartoon knocking at the walls to show how thin is the separation between a heroic teen's cartoon and a murderous gore fest.
Diana was a fun character to see in action
I always felt bad for the reasonable general that got assasinated by Ares
The angry DCU Wonder Woman is a result of a drive to focus on her as a warrior Amazon around early 2000. This is when she went to using a sword a lot as opposed to relying on her powers and lasso. She is comparable to Superman in power, but she needs a sword where as he does not. Wonder Woman is an angry agent of peace. The saddest scene is in JLA Dark where she stops a person plagued with visions of monsters from hurting others. When the victim says they see monsters, Wonder Woman says the only monster she sees is the victim- this is the bad ass Wonder Woman who is tougher than any of the makes around her. That message is peace is a drive to be strong and sarcastic.
Your videos help me appreciate not only these charcters on a deeper level but you shine a light upon the aspects of them that prior, i am blind to.
thank you for showing me hope and beauty in an otherwise Dark world.
WW of the live action universe perfectly captures this character. I love the 2017 movie. It was so damn good wish we had more like it
Diana proved right to turn herself in to n Waller. That move saved Bruce's life.
I like the duality of this version of Wonder Woman. She is a warrior and can be aggressive at times but it’s ultimately due to her compassion and love for others.
My only issue I have with this episode is that the "Dove" mentality is all well and good for interpersonal situations, but is less applicable on the international level.
It's been a historic necessity in a world where the stand in for the annihilator is nuclear bombs
@@xXichibanBaller The beauty of the Cold War is that bullets were never fired between the main powers at play. This episode portrays an active warzone. It's a few steps down the road.
@mr.murica2763 bullets were absolutely fired through dozens and dozens of proxy wars.
@@adrianopandolfo "between the main powers at play."
Hell hath no fury like a Wonder Woman scorned.
I know you probs won't see this, but it had to be said.
1. I've watched and thoroughly enjoyed four of your video essays relating to the DCAU. I have always loved the writing within this universe, your stellar analysis helps me better understand that adoration.
2. Wonder Woman IS angry, but what I always loved about this characterization is that the frustration is justified. We can get behind the desire to pummel Mongul, hold a grudge against Shayera, or beat a murderous Toyman. This relatable rage is why the Hawk and Dove episode work so well.
3. I love how you edit, especially your endings. They feel very narrative and poetic. Reminds me of the old amvs where folks would edit together characters from different movies to tell a story.❤
4. Will you ever do a vid on wonderbat? Asking for a friend....
The scene at 9:39 is my favourite. Love Batman’s response
“Just get a service job don’t take risks, don’t got to college, don’t try to better yourself”
Can’t keep up with the cost of living and inflation
“You should’ve taken more risks. You should’ve gone to college. You should’ve tried to better yourself.”
I did what I was told to do and now I can’t make ends meet or start a family.
“That’s a good thing! You have enough! Be grateful!”
* Explains how the economy is failing due solely to the greed of the obscenely wealthy
“STOP BEING POOR!”
Hmm… skill issue
This is why it would be a great idea to have raphael team up witj wonder woman and hawkgirl
Kind of interesting trivia: Aries was voiced by British actor Michael York best known for his roles in Logan's Run and Austin Powers.
Also, Hawk and Dove were voiced by Fred Savage and Jason Hervey, best known for playing Kevin and and Wayne Arnold on “The Wonder Years”, respectively. (Another pair of brothers with a frequently combative relationship.)
what a wonderful woman
She was raised on an island of spartanesque women who, while teaching her a fairly high moral code... also taught her that men are the antithesis to everything her tribe stands for.... yeah, I'd say she has issues.
green day refrence in the sections of the video, nice.
The Ego/Superego/Id stuff is all very insightful and provides a thematic take on this episode that I hadn’t thought of, but what are we Jungians to do? Will there ever be a video for us?
Uhhhh wonder woman is the anima (girl) batman is the shadow (dark and cool) Superman is the idealized self (can pull of spandex without looking dumb)
@@basedcringechad5640 Ok, that was pretty great! I’m impressed.
Why she look at Hawkgirl like that 😂 0:58
Oh I’m loving the new thumbnail motif you got going on rn
"She's a rebel, she's a saint, she's the salt of the earth and she's dangerous" thought that would slip by an old green day fan, huh?
Christ bless you, i love DCAU and your content thank you
I'm having bad days, it was really good to watch this video. Thanks 💛
Diana does what Needs to be Done
Wonder Woman has a kind heart and soul and she gets angry at the injustice shows that she has emotions
Diana Wonder Woman is Souless in the animation vision.Wonder Woman belongs in Hollywood.Everything in Hollywood on DC is better.Just like Hollywood Marvel, everything would Hollywood.On DC is better, everything should be in Hollywood.Batman is better in Hollywood.Wonder Woman's better in Hollywood green lanterns better in Hollywood.Everything in hollywood is better
@@Supersammy22_290 I agree on to a certain point the animation makes Wonder Woman too hard the comic books is originator Hartford character in a true character in a true character is compassion the animators have lost that connection.
To be fair Wonder Woman is not a hero but a warrior.
If that the case then what the point of her being apart of the justice league. If she a warrior then she need be in the military not apart of a group of superhuman citizens.
@@redflame2328 Because the Justice League was essentially a military force that projected their power across all of Earth and several other planets.
Wonder Woman has been shown to be both a warrior and a hero.
Not true, if she not a hero then neither is batman or hawkgirl
@@redflame2328The point of Diana being in the JL is that she wants to do good but don't know it herself so she depends on those she trust to hold her when she goes past the line.
Saying she is a warrior and not a hero is just about how she thinks and her way to see events that is different from how a heroic character like Sperman or Flash would do it.
She should have own tv show
Y'know, I never really liked this episode. I usually skip it during rewatches. But in this recontextualization, I feel like I just simply missed something about it. So thank you, I suppose, for seeing that there's more to this than simply an 'angry guy who's wrong-calm guy who's right' story.
This was very well assembled. I really enjoyed your breakdown and analysis.
I like that her father is hades
Yeah, I was not a fan of her portrayal in the DCAU.
Incredible video as always. Thank you.
Wonder Woman definitely has anger issues
I think it's interesting this is all being done with the heroic duo that launched Rob Liefeld's career.
DCAU still the best Wonder Woman 😤
James gun needs to recast gal
@@yarc9 yeah but who could replace gal gadot
@@rayshawnwilliams5673 anyone who can actually act
@@yarc9 yeah but who though
@@yarc9 I mean wonder woman is a hard character to portray especially in live-action movies
Still my favorite version.
Still your favorite trash film wow
DC animations c***** and garbage lame boring i can't even understand a garbage lame
Hollywood D c's better Hollywood is the king of DC superhero movies. Hollywood beats animation. DC Hollywood is better. Everything Hollywood's better hollywood d c's better as good as Marvel. Hollywood, everything, Hollywood is better. Animation DC is no Good it's lame
I recently rewatched the 2 parter where one of the Amazons tries to kill all men, showing the unhealthy prejudices of the Amazons and Diana herself. Was hoping that would get a mention in your analysis of her but I still liked your video. I always enjoy your videos.
Great peace of work.
Love angry wonderwoman all day every day
The DC amazons are an idealized version of one man's sex fantasy portrayed as pro-feminism in order to be published. Also helps he completely ignored how horrible they were, save for the mind control girths that he glosses over.
Um then why do so many women absolutely adore this character?
@@crhu319 Same reason people adore Donald Trump or Orion Pax adored Megatron. She is a powerful person that seems similar to them and they wish to be that powerful.