Is Drake Pop or Hip-Hop? Reacting to Yasiin Bey's Comments | Rap Life Review
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- In this week's episode of Rap Life Review, Ebro, Lowkey, and Eddie dive into new music from 21 Savage, Kid Cudi, and the official soundtrack from ’The Book of Clarence’.
The group breaks down the trailer from 21 Savage's upcoming movie ‘american dream: the 21 savage story’ and the album accompanying the movie, ‘american dream’. The guys then get into a clip of Yasiin Bey, also known as Mos Def, saying that Drake makes “music for Target” and is pop, not hip-hop. This spurs a debate around what genre Drake actually falls in. The episode wraps up with a review of Rolling Stone's top rap songs of 2023 list, where they named Sexyy Red’s “SkeeYee” as #1.
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They actually missed the actual conversation, but the commentary goes along with Mos point. These are the people that keep the culture shallow in thinking.
Yasiin spoke to the consumerism of his music. Drake is the epitome of luxury rap, where the fans are going to gravitate towards it due to the current state of our society. Hip Hop as Yasiin knows it and came up creating is a far cry from what Drake is doing today. Definitely shade from yasiin here lol but in all due respect, he was asked a loaded question because they assumed Yasiin isn’t aware of all of drakes catalog, which is a fair assumption.
Drakes strong point is RNB and pop and thata justa fact and what he basicalky started on its only later on that he decided to come into hip hop
In my opinion Yasin Bey's comments weren't even anything crazy or we haven't heard before and I don't think he was shading him. That's just his opinion
He started shading when he made the "so many products" jokes and giggles
He didn't say anything wrong. What good is a dope Album if you can't get anything positive from it? It's gotta be more than Drake buying the entire Yacht Yard.
@@kylevalentine9645the bars in that statement is what Drake is, he's safe music that has everything and never goes to the Bodega on 154 and Watson Ave.
I think thee context of Mos's "EMPIRE" comment was about "Thee AMERICAN" Empire..he's speaking on a MUCH deeper level
yup
THIS should be a top comment! THIS is exactly what he was referring to
I’m dead shopping with an edge …Yasin is telling the truth.😂
Mos Def dropped so many gems in that interview, yet the main thing people took away was "Drake is pop" not hip hop. These sheep literally proved his point, also if you didn't know Drake is a culture vulture.
It's part of the consumerism that Yassin was talking about.
@@kaize666 Yup
That is the man’s opinion, what is the big deal.
the big deal is drake is hip hop and pop
my channel is dedicated to drake and even I agree that people are WAYYY too sensitive about this man's opinion on him. How many week are we gonna be tortured with this topic 😭
Who said it’s a big deal? He gave his opinion, they gave their opinion
@@ccprincess-bb 🤣🤣🤣🤣 facts
The problem is Drake isn’t American.
I honestly just think Mos isn’t impressed by Drake, I always hear ppl talk about how he’s one of the greatest if not the greatest but I don’t see it. His success is undeniable & his skill (when shown properly) is top tier but his music is empty 95% most of the time. I don’t know one track since 2015 that Drake has put out that’s substantive it’s all vibes and honestly boring. Kendrick, Ye, Tyler have really dug into their artistry and gave us work that not only sounds good but give us a perspective on how they see the world good, bad, or indifferent. With Drake it’s more of the same. I just want to make it clear too that I live vibey, ratchet music as well I love club bangers too but if your telling me this person is the best more is required in my opinion.
His music is empty 95% of the time?!? R u dumb 😂😂
I completely agree. I think he just had some hits that appealed to most kinds of people and now they always listen to him to get a little rap in their life of a little more pop rap in their life depending on who they are. It's like he never has THE best songs the last years, but some of them always end up in some playlist of everyone. That's why he is the most streamed etc.. That's my guess.
This comment perfectly explains Drakes's career from like 2016 on. He's clearly in GOAT conversations but in the Pantheon of other God's he has by far the least amount of substance.
Where's the lie....🤔🎯🎯🎯🎯💯
Drake is garbage 🗑️🗑️🗑️
I mean, modern day “hip-hop” is pop. When it’s more popular than the pop genre itself, and you’re the biggest artist in said genre; you are definitely pop LOL doesn’t make his music bad. I still listen to it and tap my feet the way I would if Mike or Prince music was on.
It use to be more popular than pop, but that was years back. Rap has been falling off for the first time in popularity.
its always been that way...this is not new
I don’t think Mos is talking about consumption culture. I think he’s talking about capitalism as a philosophy. He’s not saying don’t purchase because we all have to but he’s saying when it’s a system that discards, excludes and oppresses other for capital it has to fall(I.e his reference to the early stages of the fall of empire). I think he’s saying it’s not wise to base your entire identity as an artist on strictly selling stuff, you need some revolt music, some sustainable music, some music that is for the soul too so that when those times come around your music can still play.
Shallow minds.
I've always said, Drake makes music for bad bitches with an edge. Bruh don't miss tho. Guaranteed 2+ hits a year. He's definitely a blend of both pop and hip hop.
Mos/ Yasiin fave emcee is DOOM like what kind of judgement do u expect him to have? 😂😂 and the fact that he came from the Lyricists Lounge era,.I don’t think Drake’s raps can hang…Drake isn’t terrible but he’s pop rap
@@costaboyy shes not actually.
Facts
Thank you, I guess some people haven’t seen that clip of him quoting MF DOOM lyrics. DOOM was always anti- industry.
@@FromTheHipp I’m not what? Did he delete his comment? I missed it
@@missgigip yeah he deleted it. i think he said you were wrong or didnt know what you were talking about or something like that
Thankful for this podcast on this platform.
EPMD started talking about album sales.. then Pac & Death Row. Then 50 brought it back.
Jay Z mentioned sales on Takeover
@@user-qd6im2hp2e as a tactic in a battle.
RAP is the new POP.
AFRO is the new R&B.. and
SOUL is the new HIP-HOP.
Thanks much for this video.
For the first time in this rap life podcast history Low has said something nice about Drake, it’s shocking😂 it seems as Big Akademics did check him
Nicki said they were gonna whitewash hip-hop They want all the girls light or mixed raced 🙄
Drake is his own genre
He's a alternative Pop artist, R&B, Rap, Dance hall, electro pop
Drake is a fake Phonte do your homework kids 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Why are they lying about Drake introducing different types of music to people. When there have been people that were doing that for years and years. They were even doing that before Drake
Not on drake's global level
It’s ashamed that a man can’t have an opinion. That’s that man’s opinion. He didn’t diss Drake. He said that he was pop. Why was the question even asked?
You didn’t watch the clip. shopping with a edge is crazy
Thank u Ebro 💯
Drake will forever do numbers so they’ll forever use his name for engagement 🙏🏾
Who?
Whoever asked the Biggie question needs to never come on the Show again.
STUPIDITY 😂😂 BIGGIE HAD EVERYDAY STRUGGLE SONGS SUBSTANCE AND HE NEVER SANG WITH SZA RIHANNA PND OR DID HOOKS SINGING 😂😂😂
Always the west coast dude who's mad at Biggie's shine.
@@thesedaze2381Nobody answered the question
He’s pop deal with it 😮💨
These sellouts taking cheques from Apple which also pays Drake but then would talk about 69 bad for the culture 😂
Facts
Or what colonizers are doing to “the culture”.
I love the separation by confusion tact. It’s so original.
Wait, I’m 43 seconds in and I’m laughing wondering if y’all are serious. How would one expect the man formerly known as Mos Def to react to Drake? I like Drake but LOVE Black On Both Sides. Y’all know better. Apples and oranges. Of course he feels that way about Drake. C’mon Son 😑
yeah its true. somebody as enlightened as him who always tried to push meaningful art and culture forward would 100% dislike drake. and its fair.
Exactly 😂
Michael Jackson always had a message, he's highkey the biggest conscious artist ever
um ok
@@KYYYTISZAIWe Are The World, Man In The Mirror, Earth Song, Black Or White maaaan stop it
@@ArmLegLegArmHead47
Facts
Y'all do know jay z and rihanna play in walmart too right?? Biggie was playing the other day....It's satellite radio guys 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🙄🙄
I work at Walmart yes Rhianna featuring Jay-Z constantly plays on the radio station at Walmart not sure about Biggie though
Drake is definitely Hip hop and Pop...Hip hop first never seen much hated artist in my life and the only reason for it it's the man's success...?
Great question tho what message Biggie had for us?😂😂😂
Drake have never done any reggae songs. Let’s be clear.
It started w/ EPMD The Crossover... Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer
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Drake is a Hybrid type if Artist...he does everything...dude is Versatile...Drake is "HIM"...and actually like someone else said..."Drake is his own Genre"...
what genre is that?
@ineverswag Hybrid type of music...anything he chooses to make...And the fans have allowed this Canadian to run the music industry....for so long now...
@@gripthemoney77 how is it his own genre when there are plenty who have done that before him though, talking like he's the first to do it
" I can dig rapping, but a rapper with a Ghostwriter what the fuck happened."- king Kunta. Kendrick Lamar.
Rap / hip hop Black America’s gift to the world
AND we invented Rock
.......and roll.👍🏿
facts and house music and electronic music
What a lot of these discussions are missing is that Drake has brought the attention to rap and music outside of US more than any other rapper before him. He openly embraced UK rap, grime, drill, afrobeats, dancehall. His legacy is building a bridge and connecting hip-hop worldwide, which is unprecedented and no american rapper has attempted to do that prior to him or since he’s been on top. To me this is far more impressive than his commercial success 🤷🏾♂️ Many people don’t give him credit for that 🙄
Fun Fact. Ebro son was ice spice producer that bought her into the game. Goes to show you things you think were organic isn’t😂. Industry plants everywhere. She has a push since day one.
so Ebro let people support her?
He’s definitely more pop than hip hop. Think of what percentage of Drake music is pop, r&b, jazz and hip hop
He’s Hip-Pop
I dont think Mos Def meant that Drake’s music needs to have a message.. His comment was from the perspective that Drake’s focus is on making trendy music that sells, rather on music that is timeless.. hence why hip hop is in decline right now
Some of those products are hip hop means he ain’t hip hop B
Rap predates hip hop. One doesn’t equal the other.
Drake is both pop and hip-hop.
That’s true. But I had stopped listening to Drake a long time ago
Naw. Either you are or aren't. Are you Canadian? 🇺🇸? Israel 🇮🇱? Naw no no no. Speak in Southwest USA. Come speak ik northwest USA. Speak in northeast USA. Have a good time speaking in southeast 😂❤. I'm serious
Nah Drake is anti Hip-Hop. Drake is exactly what Nas was talking about when he said it's dead.
Agreed but Lately it’s been feeling like 60/40 split leaning towards pop to me lol
so Andre 3000, Ye, 50, Ja Rule, Nelly, LL aren't hip hop ?@@briangrisham5553
Having a popular song is not a bad thing. For present day politically minded artists etc. where's the material that got people's head nodding and want to bump that? They not working hard enough. Public Enemy's first album charted for 47 weeks on the US Billboard 200, peaking at number 42, and was certified Platinum by the RIAA in 1989. Lauryn Hill was played in the mall. Where's the output that connects from the other side?
Did anyone catch his metaphors towards the end of the video?
A Shopping Mall is "Safe" the SKU's is the various songs Drake produces. The Products are the Material. And he said "It's likeable, it's EVERYTHING, great!!!" So we understand the difference between the Corner Store and a Target? The comfort that todays rappers have while making music that vibe good never reaches the seriousness conscious of the people it was intended for. We as a majority collective if the #1 Music designed to breed awareness, knowledge of self, togetherness, social intellectuals, catalyst for change have dumped tons of dumb in this Music that doesn't mean anything. So he's saying "YO THAT SHITS A HIT!!!!" Ok and what's the reasoning to the world other than we dancing?" See we can groove and shoot bars all day. But what's hot is the ability to speak to the positive conscious of Hiphop Culture. That is the foundation of it and I believe DJ MEDIA has mispositioned themselves unconsciously either because if trend, ratings and glory or ignorance alone. And The Media has misplaced the reasoning for imagery to the Culture. Now we all can understand that threatening to shoot someone is a crime correct? Sone Artist have gone to jail in TRIAL, died and OUR OWN Hiphop Media wastes no time with the story of pointing fingers usually creating even more fuel for murders. Mos Def is on another level with the Drake critique. And if you can't understand why he's saying what he's saying then something is wrong with you. PLUS he's not wrong. Drake can Rap but he's a Pop Artist. Him being able to Rap his azz off isn't beneficial to Hiphop unless he's moving the minds of Hiphop Culture. SonI completely understand what he's saying.
Legend has it my man still waiting to hear what Biggies message was. 😂
Pop don't mean you suck at rapping it speaks to your content and reasons behind why you make music.
All music and other forms of entertainment, has a message. That message can be negative or positive or in a subliminal manner.
Y’all still pronouncing her name wrong. Halle is pronounced the same way you would pronounce Halle Berry. It’s not “Hailey”
Yasiin ain't lying I work at Walmart and they play his (Drake's )music all the time on Walmart radio
Every artist wish they could be played there
Yasiin Bey's comments must be heard in not only the context of the entire conversation of that interview, but also in the context of Bey's entire career. "Buying and selling, where’s the message that I can use? What’s in it for your audience apart from banging the pom-poms?" This is what separates the substance of Bey's life's work, from the noise of 21st century hip-pop. Technicians like Drake have mastered words, but are saying nothing.
Drake is a "resounding gong or a clanging cymbal."
I do think again....his critique of the.....EMPIRE....👀🧐...needs futher examination....besides it's relation to Drake & hip-hop....as far as hip-hop goes...he's speaking about a whole industry where if the substance exist... it's most likely not heard in the commercial space...vs the era Yasiin came up in...🌝
not just music, the system as a whole
That’s his opinion he thinks he is pop you can’t knock him for having a opinion sheesh 🙄
It’s not HAILEY, it’s Halle like Halle Berry
I don’t know where Holly coming from with no O 😂
Honestly Drake is both he is hip hop and Pop music
Where do y’all get this from? Lol it’s literally “Halle” just like Berry. She’s been out too long for this
Last year was the first year hiphop wasn't number 1 in th billboard chart
Thank you Ebro for highlighting that Doja and Kodak record . That’s the best song in the soundtrack and nobodies really talking about it ….. Also I don’t want to hear another female rap discussion if Doja not being mentioned 1st .
A hip hop artist can really freestyle. I just don't see Drake being the type of rapper to freestyle on the spot or have someone from a crowd ask him to freestyle on a topic. Now someone like Mos Def can literally freestyle about anything. I still remember when he was freestyling with Dave Chappelle driving in the car and he was rapping about the streets, houses, etc when Dave was driving. Now thats a true hip hop artist.
hahaha. When since Hip Hop means someone can freestyle. Stop in. By the way you saying Drake cannot freestyle makes no sense. Hip Hop is simply black culture explained with words. There is drugs, women, church, poverty, gold chains etc. It is a broad scope. Black people are not at the same place they were back in the 80s so the message will also evolve. Jut weird we try to create this one offs and side walls to eliminate Drake form Hip Hop makes no sense at all
Who is Ebro lil sidekick🤣🤣 he corny
Man I hate having to listen to Ebro. Pass the mic
Adekunle Gold with a fire chorus bruh.
I would've really liked for someone to answer the question of what does Biggie raps about.
Because give jack their jacket he has one of, if not the meanest flows ever to date in hip-hop but let's be real BIGs didn't speak on social or political issues much. If he did it was an extension if his come up or struggle but not the main msg.
Drake is hip-hop & Pop glad to see ppl giving him some flowers tho...
DON'T COMPERE DRAKE 2 A GOAT
I agree witv yasin! He maybe hip pop but not hip hop. I also think alot people dont know which rap artist are actually hip hop!
From 6.30 for yasin bey ...👍🏼
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Question, do you think an artist doing too much outside of the music can stifle their rap career? Like Traethe truth, everyone knows about his philanthropy, but he releases good music on a regular basis, but no one listens.
Conductor Williams we got a problem is 🔥🔥🔥tho
Drake is both Pop and HipHop. To completely ignore or discredit one side of him for sake of belief in the other is completely ignorant.
They're separate categories. If you blend them, you've created something new and are no longer sitting in a certain space. The issue is stop diluting a defined thing and just be the other thing. A spork is a spork not a spoon and a fork.
He said do we need a message
Yasin actually didn't say Drake isn't "HIP-HOP".
Yes he he did, he clearly said "Drake is pop music to me". That's simply implying that he is not Hip Hop
Where’s Nadeska?
Wasnt rolling stone named after bob dylan's like a rolling stone?
He's coming from the perspective of origins of the hip hop culture. He's speaking to a deeper meaning, culture, affinity for and of craft and culture. There were certain rules: ie no one not involved in the camp is writing or even suggesting rhymes to the purist mc. I mean comparing MJ to Drake is somewhat crazy. Albeit, They both talented, but in a vastly different degree and way. The machine is making people lose their way. Authenticity is dead. Dudes work for Apple smh.. narratives huh foh
The HipHop columns starting to crumble is just one layer of what Yasiin was talking about. He also expanded that metaphor and applied it to America and HiHop's place in it as a disruptor. Where is that discussion? @Ebro
Hip-hop used to be a music of disruption, now its a music of consumerism.
Americans dont give sprinter it's credit dave and cench KILLED that
These are radio DJs who do not want to offend a popular artist
The take that mos def doesn't know enough of drake's catalog to form a musical critique is lazy.
hes only hip-hop compared to the current state of hip-hop. He would be considered mediocre if he came out in the 90's.
Drake come out in the 90s then maybe Ja woulda had a chance singing his way outta the 50 beef.
Y’all live in the land of
Delulu Mos def was 100000% correct and not hating
Somebody ask consistent successful rappers like jay such questions please,
Jay washed, Drake the man
Ebro opinion more valuable than jay. He is a gate keeper to playlist on spotify
@@shyne1308What a dumb statement
@@viperrecords3288 you dumb if you don't know that's a fact.
Yep Drake is a very rare breed of an artist. He is just about loved from everyone. If you want dance or House music he has that, drill he has that, R&B he has that, Lyricism, everything. He is at worst top 10-15 in rap all time and At best top 5. As a artist he is at best top 10 or top 5.
he was trying to tell you what was coming . Remember to ALWAYS be on the right side of history, because the internet has ALL the receipts.
and my man... you said it yourself !! " he gives all the products, like target" ..... that is not " hip hop"... that's Pop!
Binary Star - Honest Expression
I see what he is saying Drake hasn't really bared his Soul he is just Selling Selling and Selling
Drake definitely a hybrid but he’s hiphop. He’s probably the only artist that can have a playlist for every popular genre. Hiphop, R&B,Pop, with some London drill and some Caribbean vibes
How are Going to have both when the underground is designed to not have a voice?
These guys completely missed what Yasin was talking about. It went over their heads. It wasn't about hip hop, it wasn't even about music, it was deeper than that. We live in a mall in our western colonised world, completely unaware of the real world out there with whats going on with colonial imperialism continuing to inflict its injustices to oppressed people. I would think that these men at their age would get that? But I guess they're your regular mall shoppers completely oblivious to reality. Free Palestine from 75 years of oppression
Could have just ended at 'He IS pop."
4k views in 4 hours smh
discussing this is proof enough that he isnt really mastering neither
But, he had a 👻 writer… Eye assume that’s why the God Mos said what he said
You guys need to get outta drakes lap!! He will never visit your podcast.