Katherine Magmanua was used by The Dentist, that's obvious! The Dentist Played her, and she fell for it. I do believe she had a general idea of what was going on! I do believe The Master Minds, are living their normal life, and no consequence has been applied!
So what is Luis Rivera gaining from implicating his friend and not the Adelsons? Wouldn't they have more arguments if Rivera in his confession implicated the Adelsons? I can't see how Katie is not involved? Why would they be calling each other and talking in code if they had nothing to do with this murder. All I'm asking is why wouldn't Luis Rivera expose the Adelson who hired him?
@@my1vice You missed her point. She's saying if he's going to lie, it would make more sense for him to implicate the Adelsons because they are the one's the prosecutors really want.
@@terancetheindomitable9701 There is no direct link between Luis and the Adelsons.... Their lawyers would make easy work of that "implication". Kattie, however, is a different story. She has the connection to the Adelsons. I believe the enhanced restaurant recording will lead to an indictment of Charlie. So, I really didn't miss any point. Luis had to flip on someone to avoid a death penalty. I didn't address the OP's speculation of Luis flipping on Charlie or "the woman" because it's ridiculous.
Kick ass closing. I think he showed everything the Government wanted hidden. She was more than likely involved but I couldn't say with a reasonable doubt that she was. I worked in many bars. My good nights were anywhere from $500-$1500. I pulled in $250-$500 just on a regular Friday or Sat. If we had events it was usually a min of $1000. Monthly I deposited approximately $5000 in tips. I was honest and claimed my tips. The entire bar had too or you can bet we all would have been audited.
Speaking of, Magbanua should be prosecuted for tax evasion, too! But the chart that the state presented, with the spike in her bank balance right after the murder, was damming...
Lydia, as you said she was "more than likely involved" but "couldn't say with a reasonable doubt" that she was... Either Katie did it or not. I don't think the Jury is going to buy "more than likely".
I think she was all too eager to use her criminal friends to help out her new rich friend..... More than likely, Charlie knew about her "husband" in 2013 when he started paying attention to her at the dentist office..... This was right after Wendi lost her relocation hearing with Danny and probably when Charlie decided to explore other options to help his sister.
ok lets say katie rivera sigfredo are all guilty but who provided the money for the killers to murder the husband it all points to the Adelson family if the three people goes to jail then the evil family must go to jail as well
For those that don't know: all jurors except one said guilty but there was a female juror that couldn't sleep at night thinking of Katie's and Garcia children losing two parents..that is why it was mistrial
But she didnt think about the victims sons growing up with their dad gone bc of her. It’s a frightening thing to know that 12 people can decide your fate, and that many act purely on emotions not intellect. I thought it was 2 jurors.
@@normacolon9618 When you KNOW that someone is GUILTY of being involved in this murder of Dan Markel, saying the "less you know" means YOU KNOW SOMETHING....That just means Magbanua's lawyer will say anything to defend. Must have an open mind! Get it!!!!
@@Lady_Scorpion9900 A great lawyer cannot erase evidence, her charges.were *conspiracy to committe murder* that is a very serious charge besides she was the only link between the Adelsons and the killers. If she get a deal with the state by talking n walk free advise her not to kill for the super rich.
You might think this is hard to follow but it’s because he’s not really saying anything - it’s just thousands of meaningless words strung together randomly.
He's a trier, I'll give him that but she's Guilty, the evidence and her horrendous testimony on the stand sealed her fate. Its a big conspiracy, all are Guilty and all must be brought to justice for Dan Markel's family.
Yeah but he had help. He may not read or write but he is smart enough to ask someone for help on filling out an application. And like Luis said about how he passed his dmv test. He just paid the person who worked at the dmv to pass him on his test
Usually the employee takes my drivers license and fills out the paperwork with the info on it and the customer just signs it. That would be why the address on the rental agreement wasn’t up to date, it’s what was listed on his license.
Yeah more polished than the other lawyers but still so much not making sense. He's aid that after the bump Charlie felt safe to contact Katie because she didn't know anything so couldn't incriminate him. So why did Katie speak in code when giving Garcia through number? Why not just say some random person out of the blue mentions our names can you call the number and find out what it's about? If she didn't know anything how could her giving the father of her children a telephone number be misconstrued by the people around her. No it was coded for the benefit of anyone listening to her calls, not those around her that might over hear. "She hates that she swore and won't spell out swear words". Really? Did he not listen to the tapes?
I wonder why defense [for Katy] could not explain cryptic conversation between Katy and Charlie when detectives left a paper with donna [Charlie's mother]. Jury intelligently ask Katy during her testimony if she reported her tips on her tax returns. Katy is very street smart as she worked in bars, dealing with criminals. She knows when SHE could NOT REMEMBER.
The tax question is only meant to discredit her testimony. Do you know anyone that hasn't lied a little on their tax returns ? I've even received cash tips where there is no money trail and can't be proven so why give it to the real tax cheats, the IRS? If the jury was listening better they would have heard her admit it 3 times prior.
No... she said she didnt report. Years ago they didnt go after tip. Now they forced u to pay taxes on tips. I dont think u should report tips this is how people survived.
Why don't you bring up the boob job the 13,000 she deposited in her account the trip overseas to visit her in-laws the cruise for her and her mother 2 trips to Disneyland
“Inappropriate in a first degree murder charge…”. Well so are histrionics which this lawyer loves doing. If lawyers are to comment on the behavior and speech of other lawyers during a MURDER trial we’d be here all day. 🙄
We all know that Katie is guilty come on lawyer you sound totally foolish w your trying to prove Katie is innocent give it up hon cause it ain't going to happen.
@@normacolon9618 digit is an element of a set that, taken as a whole, comprises a system of numeration. Thus, a digit is a number in a specific context. In the decimal (base-10) Arabic numbering system, the digits are the elements of the set {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9}.
Cause they could.ruin there cloth or laptop.with the ink..or.just a little.habit we all do. I.do.that.constantly..also.th3 click may involve the next screen of the laptop.
I find this trial very sad. The 2 Defendants in the room are facing Murder 1 charges and at best the evidence against each of them is pure supposition based on how a story is told. The Prosecution made a deal for 6 years prison time with the 100% murder 1 guilty person if he would give them someone else to charge. A really despicable example of our justice system!!
Are you kidding this coming from the person who’s representing a person who says I can’t recall 1500 times and if that’s what the phone log says!!!!! Really lol
Katie's lawyers don't just argue her innocence, they know she is innocent. It's in their eyes, speech and attitude. It's awesome how they fight for her ! The scary thing is that the prosecution have been blinded by their own theory. As Chris DeCoste, Katie's lawyer, put it " ... they can't see it, they can't understand it, that she's innocent, she wasn't involved"
She wasn’t ? Then what are all Those phone calls for ? How come no one is calling me ? About some weird thing she talking In riddles ? Because I’m not involved in some Weird skiddish crime !!!! 13 grand suddenly appears in the bank after the homicide . Puleeeeez . She is guilty! She was involved, period .
@@gabrielamartiniuc6322 Two huge errors are the reason an innocent girl is on trial; tainted wire taps and restaurant recording and a star witness (Luis Rivera) who only testified to Katherine's involvement after hearing law enforcement's theories Law enforcement had their theories, Luis embraced them with open arms, changed his story to suit and the Prosecution ran with it. In effect a severe case of confirmation bias, which spilled over into the interpretation of the wire taps Remember, if Luis is telling us a pack of lies (and he is), then Katie is not involved From the car hire to the phone call from the car after the shooting to seeing Wendi walking with her kids to the muddled money drop story, you knew it was all made up Luis was the one solicited ... Charlie asks his drug dealer if he knows a hitman, word goes out, Luis puts his hand up
@@gabrielamartiniuc6322 We cannot and must not look to the wire taps and restaurant recording for the truth. They were tainted from the very beginning when the Undercover mentioned Katie's name (twice) to Donna Adelson, when handing her the note during the "bump" Charlie made Katherine (and everyone else) look guilty with his calls, covert ops and secret meetings. He was desperate to discover who was behind the note, whether associates of his hitman were extorting more money from him or law enforcement were onto him. Katie was basically collateral damage - he knew he could use her as a sounding board without her knowing anything Katie innocent is a given. I don't struggle with that anymore as I did when I first started following the case 2 1/2 years ago. With that in mind it is a good idea to take a look at what is going through Charlie's mind in the days after the bump ... ... "This has something to do with Katie, but what? The guy deliberately mentioned her name to mom - what does that mean? "Is this about the murder or something else entirely? If it's about the murder why is Katie mentioned? Is she associated with my hitman by some chance, maybe through her ex, because he was mentioned also? How does this guy know or know of Katie? "What has Katie got to do with anything? How have I been helping her, what does that mean?" He has a lot of questions to answer and the only way he's going to even begin answering them is by phoning her, probing, using and manipulating her What law enforcement have in effect done in mentioning Katie's name in first contact with Donna Adelson is (accidentally) framed Katie for the murder. Combine this with Luis' false testimony and the tunnel vision of Georgia Cappleman, lead Prosecutor and you have a recipe for a wrongful conviction. Poor Katie, 6 years in prison for something she had nothing to do with - she's living everyone's worst nightmare
People just want to make something that did not happen I been looking at the looking at the case and I see the truth that girl is not guilty she could be guilty for other things but she's not guilty they doing something wrong and I've been looking at the case for a while sad
He continues to call the prosecutors “the government” on purpose. People view “the government” as lying and corrupt.
Vicki Kay, I agree! You make an excellent point, and it has been driving me nuts! LOL
He's not wrong, they are indeed the government and you can't trust glow-in-the-darks.
@@DNAsGhostzHouze Ha ha but he failed big time no one believe his little trick calling them the government instead of the prosecutor!! Lmfao
Yes it's government. Obviously you seems no experience going to court.
You noticed that too huh? This attorney has a very limited vocabulary. “You’ll agree with me...” and “just one quick moment judge...”
This guy went in circles. I feel like he said the same thing over and over
Not really. Each time something new came out. Listen better before you cast judgement on a person's life.
Brilliant closing !
@@ronchrisman How did he cast judgement on the lawyer's life?
@@terancetheindomitable9701 "person".
@@terancetheindomitable9701 He said he was a "girl-friend" hopper at 39:55. That is his personal life, we are not supposed to know about.
Katherine Magmanua was used by The Dentist, that's obvious! The Dentist Played her, and she fell for it.
I do believe she had a general idea of what was going on!
I do believe The Master Minds, are living their normal life, and no consequence has been applied!
...like a fiddle 🎻 😏
Probably a mark right from the beginning, including the “relationship”.
They were playing each other.
@@SD-co9xe well she definitely lost!!
I think she was hired and paid by Charlie to plan the murder out and hire the killers. She was the mastermind.
So what is Luis Rivera gaining from implicating his friend and not the Adelsons? Wouldn't they have more arguments if Rivera in his confession implicated the Adelsons? I can't see how Katie is not involved? Why would they be calling each other and talking in code if they had nothing to do with this murder. All I'm asking is why wouldn't Luis Rivera expose the Adelson who hired him?
He was facing a death sentence.
They probably don't have proof that Rivera talked to charlie. These people are criminals. They could have been talking about a different crime.
@@my1vice You missed her point. She's saying if he's going to lie, it would make more sense for him to implicate the Adelsons because they are the one's the prosecutors really want.
@@terancetheindomitable9701
There is no direct link between Luis and the Adelsons.... Their lawyers would make easy work of that "implication".
Kattie, however, is a different story. She has the connection to the Adelsons. I believe the enhanced restaurant recording will lead to an indictment of Charlie.
So, I really didn't miss any point. Luis had to flip on someone to avoid a death penalty. I didn't address the OP's speculation of Luis flipping on Charlie or "the woman" because it's ridiculous.
Actually he DID implicate the Adelsons
I hope the Adelsons were watching this closing argument...
“You’re next 😃”
Kick ass closing. I think he showed everything the Government wanted hidden. She was more than likely involved but I couldn't say with a reasonable doubt that she was. I worked in many bars. My good nights were anywhere from $500-$1500. I pulled in $250-$500 just on a regular Friday or Sat. If we had events it was usually a min of $1000. Monthly I deposited approximately $5000 in tips. I was honest and claimed my tips. The entire bar had too or you can bet we all would have been audited.
Speaking of, Magbanua should be prosecuted for tax evasion, too!
But the chart that the state presented, with the spike in her bank balance right after the murder, was damming...
Lydia, as you said she was "more than likely involved" but "couldn't say with a reasonable doubt" that she was... Either Katie did it or not. I don't think the Jury is going to buy "more than likely".
And yet she couldn't keep her clunker of a car going and she needed state assistance for her kids?
I think she was all too eager to use her criminal friends to help out her new rich friend..... More than likely, Charlie knew about her "husband" in 2013 when he started paying attention to her at the dentist office..... This was right after Wendi lost her relocation hearing with Danny and probably when Charlie decided to explore other options to help his sister.
Best closing of the 3. Easy to say now.
not a bad lawyer, he did a great job unfortunately the case was just too shut and close against his client.
I want this guy as my lawyer if I EVER get arrested for anything. He is excellent!
She is found guilty!
He lost.
@crand20033 that's not the point
ok lets say katie rivera sigfredo are all guilty but who provided the money for the killers to murder the husband it all points to the Adelson family if the three people goes to jail then the evil family must go to jail as well
Exactly, who suddenly has that much money lying around that knows Katie, sigfredo, rivera? One group: the adelson's.
If this guy says the government one more time, I swear I will loss it. She put her money in the bank because she is not a seasoned criminal.
Oh yes she is!
For those that don't know: all jurors except one said guilty but there was a female juror that couldn't sleep at night thinking of Katie's and Garcia children losing two parents..that is why it was mistrial
But she didnt think about the victims sons growing up with their dad gone bc of her. It’s a frightening thing to know that 12 people can decide your fate, and that many act purely on emotions not intellect.
I thought it was 2 jurors.
@@debbiemartin2026 That thought is frightening!
Well thank God they got an intelligent jury for trial 2!
"The less you know the better"...This means Katherine Magbanua knew SOMETHING about the Dan Markel's murder!
Means she didnt know and shouldnt know. Duh
@@normacolon9618 When you KNOW that someone is GUILTY of being involved in this murder of Dan Markel, saying the "less you know" means YOU KNOW SOMETHING....That just means Magbanua's lawyer will say anything to defend. Must have an open mind! Get it!!!!
@@doloresstroman7799 I don't get that. I have never heard that expression used for someone that already knows something
Yeah I'm not getting that....at all. I agree with Norma.
I think I will call in sick for the next week or so, to watch this trial, and also when charlie goes in next
This attorney has a great voice.
Christopher deCosta is a great lawyer and an amazing speaker.
I liked him when he crossed examined Wendy in the second trial . He was very good
@@josephinecoale7204 I loved that he made WA come across as her real cold self interested self in her own words.
yeah he's a good speaker, but he defended a guilty Katie and got a life w/o parole😂too sad he listened
to Kawass.
@@Lady_Scorpion9900 A great lawyer cannot erase evidence, her charges.were *conspiracy to committe murder* that is a very serious charge besides she was the only link between the Adelsons and the killers. If she get a deal with the state by talking n walk free advise her not to kill for the super rich.
I just see him as a 2 time loser. He needs to pick better clients. She was a lost cause.
You might think this is hard to follow but it’s because he’s not really saying anything - it’s just thousands of meaningless words strung together randomly.
He’d be much more convincing as a present or if he’d stop playing with his papers and checking boxes. Just unnecessary distraction .
This Attorney Put On A HELLUVA Closing Argument!!!!
He's Sharp 🔪
Now what is the defense lawyer saying since she confessed
He's a trier, I'll give him that but she's Guilty, the evidence and her horrendous testimony on the stand sealed her fate.
Its a big conspiracy, all are Guilty and all must be brought to justice for Dan Markel's family.
Louis cant read and write but he can sign his name and fill up a rental contract.. that was crazy
Yeah but he had help. He may not read or write but he is smart enough to ask someone for help on filling out an application. And like Luis said about how he passed his dmv test. He just paid the person who worked at the dmv to pass him on his test
Usually the employee takes my drivers license and fills out the paperwork with the info on it and the customer just signs it. That would be why the address on the rental agreement wasn’t up to date, it’s what was listed on his license.
@@dita8786 I actually believe Luis mostly- but that bribing the DMV story seems about as plausible as being struck by lightning 6 times in one day.
@@artieborko4988 You believe a crook who had struck a deal with the court system?
This defense lawyer is very good!!! He definitely raises reasonable doubt imo!!! I think this defense lawyers closing argument was very good!!!
Yeah more polished than the other lawyers but still so much not making sense. He's aid that after the bump Charlie felt safe to contact Katie because she didn't know anything so couldn't incriminate him. So why did Katie speak in code when giving Garcia through number? Why not just say some random person out of the blue mentions our names can you call the number and find out what it's about? If she didn't know anything how could her giving the father of her children a telephone number be misconstrued by the people around her. No it was coded for the benefit of anyone listening to her calls, not those around her that might over hear. "She hates that she swore and won't spell out swear words". Really? Did he not listen to the tapes?
I wonder why defense [for Katy] could not explain cryptic conversation between Katy and Charlie when detectives left a paper with donna [Charlie's mother].
Jury intelligently ask Katy during her testimony if she reported her tips on her tax returns.
Katy is very street smart as she worked in bars, dealing with criminals. She knows when SHE could NOT REMEMBER.
The tax question is only meant to discredit her testimony. Do you know anyone that hasn't lied a little on their tax returns ? I've even received cash tips where there is no money trail and can't be proven so why give it to the real tax cheats, the IRS? If the jury was listening better they would have heard her admit it 3 times prior.
No... she said she didnt report. Years ago they didnt go after tip. Now they forced u to pay taxes on tips. I dont think u should report tips this is how people survived.
@@ronchrisman exactly. Jurirs were stupid didnt listen.
Why don't you bring up the boob job the 13,000 she deposited in her account the trip overseas to visit her in-laws the cruise for her and her mother 2 trips to Disneyland
“Inappropriate in a first degree murder charge…”. Well so are histrionics which this lawyer loves doing. If lawyers are to comment on the behavior and speech of other lawyers during a MURDER trial we’d be here all day. 🙄
Perhaps lookup what histrionics means.
Yeah the problem is they have more than enough evidence against Katie
Plus, the killers told the jury what she did.
Chris DeCosta is Katie’s lawyer? He did a great closing and is a great speaker. Love listening to him. Nice job.
We all know that Katie is guilty come on lawyer you sound totally foolish w your trying to prove Katie is innocent give it up hon cause it ain't going to happen.
It’s his job
How could she be forced to cooperate? If she did not know anything??
Lots of words but nothing is being said.
He’s a great 👍 lawyer
The double clicking of the pen is contemptible to me.😂
Every time this guy says "the government" I cringe
God! So do I!!
The government. Sincerely, the actual guy who said it.
Breast surgery shouldn't come up. This wasnt thatc money, when she's been working for years and saving.
Ugly faced with inflated boobs, done well past her prime. Sure, took years of saving.😂
Excellent closing !
Is he single? 😆
a girl-friend hopper.39:55.
I'm surprised that Tara Kawass didn't do the closing. I thought she was the lead attorney.
She is not as good. That's readily apparent.
@@jliving9999 I agree
Why was she talking code??? You. Want this jury to believe that mentioning 4 digit’s in front of her young children would mean anything?? Really!!
4 digital what u talking about???
@@normacolon9618 digit is an element of a set that, taken as a whole, comprises a system of numeration. Thus, a digit is a number in a specific context. In the decimal (base-10) Arabic numbering system, the digits are the elements of the set {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9}.
@@normacolon9618 Digital?? What are talking about?
In case the phone was tapped, she had to use coded words!
This did not age well
I think Charlie should of had this lawyer.
His voice does not match his boyish looks, talented but he got the wrong client and he nearly pulled it off
Can any attorneys or detectives answer this one question- Why, oh why do they all constantly double-click their pens?!?
In their heads they are making that dun-dun sound from Law & Order.....
Nervous tick.
Cause they could.ruin there cloth or laptop.with the ink..or.just a little.habit we all do. I.do.that.constantly..also.th3 click may involve the next screen of the laptop.
@@my1vice lol
I find this trial very sad. The 2 Defendants in the room are facing Murder 1 charges and at best the evidence against each of them is pure supposition based on how a story is told. The Prosecution made a deal for 6 years prison time with the 100% murder 1 guilty person if he would give them someone else to charge. A really despicable example of our justice system!!
But why would he not tell them Charlie or Wendy hired him? Why did he say Garcia or Katie?
It's 6 years in state prison, not 6 years in prison. Stop parroting the defense attorney's talking points.
@@terancetheindomitable9701 Prison is prison no matter how you slice it.
This guy is awesome
He is so weak......kind of embarrassing to watch really.
Next the car, had all these mechanical problems. She was given a crap car.
He is just great with a great voice . But he couldn't handle Windi
good looking too!
Yep and she's in prison for life now 😊
i dont know about that. She does have an appeal coming up.
Bravo
Never understood why a closing argument The jury heard the evidence!???
To.go.over the important points.
Are you kidding this coming from the person who’s representing a person who says I can’t recall 1500 times and if that’s what the phone log says!!!!! Really lol
Your right kat did not have a good memory!! Lmfao
So true
Not Guilty!!!!!!
Katie's lawyers don't just argue her innocence, they know she is innocent. It's in their eyes, speech and attitude. It's awesome how they fight for her !
The scary thing is that the prosecution have been blinded by their own theory. As Chris DeCoste, Katie's lawyer, put it " ... they can't see it, they can't understand it, that she's innocent, she wasn't involved"
And yet she's guilty.... LoL
She wasn’t ? Then what are all
Those phone calls for ? How come no one is calling me ? About some weird thing she talking In riddles ? Because I’m not involved in some
Weird skiddish crime !!!! 13 grand suddenly appears in the bank after the homicide . Puleeeeez . She is guilty! She was involved, period .
@@gabrielamartiniuc6322 Two huge errors are the reason an innocent girl is on trial; tainted wire taps and restaurant recording and a star witness (Luis Rivera) who only testified to Katherine's involvement after hearing law enforcement's theories
Law enforcement had their theories, Luis embraced them with open arms, changed his story to suit and the Prosecution ran with it. In effect a severe case of confirmation bias, which spilled over into the interpretation of the wire taps
Remember, if Luis is telling us a pack of lies (and he is), then Katie is not involved
From the car hire to the phone call from the car after the shooting to seeing Wendi walking with her kids to the muddled money drop story, you knew it was all made up
Luis was the one solicited ... Charlie asks his drug dealer if he knows a hitman, word goes out, Luis puts his hand up
@@gabrielamartiniuc6322 We cannot and must not look to the wire taps and restaurant recording for the truth. They were tainted from the very beginning when the Undercover mentioned Katie's name (twice) to Donna Adelson, when handing her the note during the "bump"
Charlie made Katherine (and everyone else) look guilty with his calls, covert ops and secret meetings. He was desperate to discover who was behind the note, whether associates of his hitman were extorting more money from him or law enforcement were onto him. Katie was basically collateral damage - he knew he could use her as a sounding board without her knowing anything
Katie innocent is a given. I don't struggle with that anymore as I did when I first started following the case 2 1/2 years ago. With that in mind it is a good idea to take a look at what is going through Charlie's mind in the days after the bump ...
... "This has something to do with Katie, but what? The guy deliberately mentioned her name to mom - what does that mean?
"Is this about the murder or something else entirely? If it's about the murder why is Katie mentioned? Is she associated with my hitman by some chance, maybe through her ex, because he was mentioned also? How does this guy know or know of Katie?
"What has Katie got to do with anything? How have I been helping her, what does that mean?"
He has a lot of questions to answer and the only way he's going to even begin answering them is by phoning her, probing, using and manipulating her
What law enforcement have in effect done in mentioning Katie's name in first contact with Donna Adelson is (accidentally) framed Katie for the murder. Combine this with Luis' false testimony and the tunnel vision of Georgia Cappleman, lead Prosecutor and you have a recipe for a wrongful conviction. Poor Katie, 6 years in prison for something she had nothing to do with - she's living everyone's worst nightmare
Do you still think she's innocent?
If the f b I will not film then why would anyone talk to them???
He will be blackmailing wendy for the rest of her life
Thinking that was self-inflicted.
Puzzle pieces
Guilty
Does our President know about this Attorney?
Barn owl 🦉 lol
Niki Lea because in the live chat, it became an amusing topic of discussion throughout the trial. I guess you had to be there. 🤷🏻♀️🦉
People just want to make something that did not happen I been looking at the looking at the case and I see the truth that girl is not guilty she could be guilty for other things but she's not guilty they doing something wrong and I've been looking at the case for a while sad
She is as guilty as anyone I've ever seen. Had Charlie never met this money hungry woman, the murder would never have happened
@@marshapieroni6677 agreed!