I seriously doubt the fact that there´s another nation on this planet that manage to rise to the great culture of Romania. Not even the French nor the Italians with their Opera chants, classical music etc can measure with Romanian culture, literature, music, poets, architeture. Romanian music with great geniuses like Enescu, Celidilache, Zamfir, Toni Iordache, Maria Tanase, Ciprian Porumbescu, Eugen Doga,Cantemir ,Ion Voicu, Georges Boulanger, Mihail Jora, Iosif Ivanovici and The great brigands of Taraf de Haidouks are the reason why God has a Romanian soul. This is something to be remember.
Million Thanks to the the very first compozer of this extraordinary musik: THE ROMANIAN PEASANT ! Then, the Hungarian musician , Bartok , inspired himself from the creation of The Romanian Peasant , and finally, these superb Romanian gypsies musicians made a fenomenal interpretation! Congratulations! 💙💛❤️
It's so beautiful how this melody came full circle: Bartok collected it from Romanian peasant musicians 100 years ago and now Romanian musicians are playing it again in the original style, what a great uplifting idea! it's very positive for Romanians Hungarians and Gypsies to realize they share a common culture with contributions from everybody.
ils jouent á l´oreille ! tous ensemble en harmonie! et avec quelle virtuosité. Pour moi un très beau message. Paix et joie de vivre. Merci Taraf de haidouks
Had been composed approximately in the same years of the 20 th. century, both the Romanian Rhapsodies No.1 and 2 by Gheorghe Enescu and the Romanian Folk Dances by Béla Bartók bring the sound of Romanian music of different regions that make up the current Romania. In other words, a listener can hear the sounds that had been inspired from Wallachian and Moldavian melodies from the Rhapsodies by Enescu and can hear the sounds that had been inspired from Transylvanian melodies from this composition by Bartók. Thus it is possible to say that both composers who had been lived approximately in the same periods but from different countries had presented the aforementioned valuable works that contribute to the music of a country by which listeners achieve the "Big Picture" upon listening all of them.
Its pretty amazing that a Romania gipsy musician, inspired by Bartok (Hungarian composer and folk music collector) gives an interview in French about his source of inspiration, which led them (Taraf) to inspire and make happy millions of others. These are the moments when we should think about all the bullshit politicians and the TV is trying to sell us... instead listen some of this music, meet people, make friends and enjoy life :)
@thegreenscorpio Once and for all: this is a reinterpretation by Taraf de Haidouks of a piece of classical music called "Romanian Folk Dances", composed bu Bela Bartok in 1915, and inspired by traditional Romanian music. You don't "change the title" of a piece of music which is part of the international repertoire of classical music and has been performed for a century ! And Ivigata is right: Taraf de Haidouks are BOTH Romanian and Gypsies. No discussion about that.
@CrammedDiscs Nice! Taraf de Haidouks are romanian "lautari", how is called the romanian gypsy musicians! Romanian Folk Dances is a well-know piece, arranged for many instrumentations (string orchestra, piano duo, flauta solo and violin and piano). I played and it was amazing experience!
Geez, opens up a whole new world. I do see the North East Indian in some of the faces... Makes me think nobody REALLY KNOWS their exact ancestral origins unless we test our DNA. Such good musicians. Some of it is really great music. I thought Gypsy music was much slower - then I see that kid dancing like crazy - so impressive :) :) :) Full of LIFE! But then, this is Romanian. I'll have to investigate into other sounds. Thanks for posting.
I find this music amazing!, the skills are superb!!, roma soul is beautiful!!! It's a pitty anyway all the racists comments, most of them came from people who have never been in their shoes (the 'real situation', not the 'romantic' one)... Love, respect and greetings from Mexico :)
@Uberforth It's movement 5 from romanian Folk Dances by Bartok (as you could have guessed since they are playing that piece (total of 6 movements) ;) )
@ivitagata Fortunately today they are pride for Romania because for many years they were really discriminated being Gypsy's and were forced not to live into the cities. Great interpretation btw!!
Um yes it is. Well, in fact it's classical music inspired by romanian dance music. Hence it's called "Romanian Folk dances/Danses roumaines"- by Bela Bartok. The guy is explaining that the band had learned to play the song in only 10 minutes just by listening to it on a cassette. That is further proof that this is romanian music, as they could only learn it so fast since they were already accustomed to this kind of music. This has been the music played in Romania for centuries.
They are from south Romania and the music is from western and northern Romania, regions with a different style of music! But they learned by ear all the tunes they play and that's why they learn so easy!
@violinmyth In France , there are some people who come from Romania , but just for few years . The name"gitans" (< "tzigane" = gypsie ) is ancient and is used to describe every people that moves from town to town , even they are french ( now called "gens du voyage"= journey's people ) On the radio they explain there are several commnunities from Romania , with very different traditions ,behaving and jobs . Of course , police makes it hard for them . Children have to go to school , though
The band (trupa) is Fantastic! I like the CD- title too, Maskarada= masquerade ,it´s exactly what they do with the B. Bartok Romanian Dances. Would be not so bad to read(?) what the composer have written to every dance, ex. Jocul cu Bata,Buciumeana etc. - there are sacral dances - M.Eliade- with a spiritual meaning. I dont't know if it will help,but try..... Anyway,Bravo for the "originality".
ma bucur ca sunteti roman, fiindca atunci va pot cita in romaneste vorba cu pricina: "meseria nu se-nvata, se fura". dat fiind felul in care lautarii isi insuseau in mod traditional meseria (prin ucenicie la casa maestrului sau pe langa acesta la nunti si alte ocazii), e de inteles cum de s-a ajuns la formularea aceasta. 'furatul' cu pricina e strict metaforic si vorbitorul din film se corecteaza la un moment dat (3:19) cand isi da seama ca poate fi rau inteles. la fel spune ca "a prins" melodia
hi there everyone. I´m traveller myself. and I´ve always have the musik with me and within me. I´m playing the viiolin.for now. to survive kritics from other people I played some songs. and I love bela bartok. he feels so home. maybe it´s sad music but it shows the feelings in this people and how they dances. you don´t have to agree. and taraf de haiduks is kings for me with the playing. can you answer a question? is romanian dances from bartok the same as transylvanian dancers? and how can I get to transylvanian dancers which bartok wrote. big hugs, love and blessings.
+Elizabeth nilzén I can gladly help you . Bela Bartok was inspired by traditional songs and dances of Romanians/Wallachians. Obviously Romanians are not gypsies or the new term for gypsies (romani). I can tell you exactly from wich songs and dances he was inspired, but with Romanian names : Jocul Cu Bâta, Brâul, Pe Loc, Buciumeana, Poarga Româneascâ, Mârunțel. Have a nice day.
i agree- it's the same with all music. everyone shares something with someone else- that's why it doesnt make any sense to discriminate as much as some people do!
Regarding Gypsy/Romania, it does not freaking matter if one is a gypsy, it does not matter if he is an ethnic romanian, it just matters who you are, not what you are.
Bravo!!! does any one know the meaning of Buceumeana? I am told that the buceu is the Romanian sheperds (single-noted) horn, similar to the Swiss. And that Buceumeana may be song FOR these sheperds, but not necessarily BY them. Anybody got any info?
@Kathara14 I just speak about my experience, exactly a month ago I was in a conference about the situation at least in the city of Rome. Being people of a nomad tradition there is a problem and sometimes clashes with the stable locals. Probably today the situation is different in Romania but in the past from what I understood Gypsies couldn't have a stable place inside the cities. By the way do you work with the Ethnographic archives? i saw some of the video you upload
well first I'm romanian and second I'm musician.. I never heard that romanian steal anything to learn, but gypsy may do this. I understand what you mean, that's just the way to say it.. I've got a big respect for bela bartok and all he had to suffer, that's just the word that paused a problem, I understand but certainly not ok with that..
I'm afraid you misunderstand the guy; his reference to Bartok's 'stealing' Romanian music means, as he himself explains a bit later, that he thinks Bartok learned Romanian music just as these players learned their craft, by watching how it's done and listening, rather than by reading it from printed scores. He's speaking within an oral culture where, as we say in Romanian, you don't learn a craft, you 'steal' it. You may or may not like the result, but, please, do not make uninformed comments!
I never claimed to be an expert on Romance Languages. Nor did I deny that Romanian is a Romance language. I do, however, take an interest in linguistics. The stuff I wrote was based on the work of respected academics like W.B Lockwood and Anthony Burgess.
Ce ma face cel mai fericit e faptul ca oamenii ca tine traiesc nefericiti, in permanenta urand pe cineva, frustrati de lumea asta mare, iritati in permanenta de tigani sau altii. Sunt si eu nationalist si patriot dar intai de toate om.Iti urez o viata precum o meriti ;).
I mentioned that I'm a Spanish speaker not to say that I know more but merely to point out there's more mutual intelligibility between Latin and Western Romance languages (at least as far as the written thing goes). Oh, and I just added the bit about Taraful because this is after all a video of them. I didn't mean anything by it, just incidental information.
This has been the music played in Romania for centuries. What a shame people don't know about it anymore. I know it because when I was very small in my granpa's house some "lautari" used to come and play to us... it was very much like this. Don't say it's not romanian folk music cause you have no clue. Real romanian folk music isn't Irina Login and Ion Dolanescu... they are just some recent artists fabricated by the television.
Actually it is Romanian folk music you ignorant. The musicians are indeed gypsy, but the music they're playing is Bartok's "Romanian Folk Dances". The gypsies play the local music, in Romania they play Romanian folk, in Spain they play flamenco for example.
@csilviu1 eu sunt foarte de acord cu dvs.Eu sunt romanca, dar cea mai buna prietena a mea e Tziganca si o iubesc, si de fiecare data m-am inteles bine cu tziganii.
For centuaries it was only jews and gypsies who were hired folk musicians. In some countires that was actually law at some point ! The played for everyone, all the weddings etc. and it all got mixed in. They adpted their music to the tastes of their hosts but kept their own for their own too.You cannot play eastern European folk music without their influence, there is no such thing.
@philippealfredduly You should get that this is an interview for television, maybe a French network. If you speak it so fluently, then you should hear him speak of Romania and Romanian music. If you should search them on the internet, you'ld find out they are indeed Romanian. RUclips is not wikipedia, is just a place to post videos. Learn to use the internet for information!
@Kathara14 Hi, I got my info. from Gypsies with whom I did a course in 1999 in Transylvania. They were forced to live outside of the towns and not inside (let say not in a proper house) at least under Ceauşescu I don't know how it was before and Transylvania was under Hungary before WWI but lets leave the political issues...
Sorry, my mistake. I didn't mean 60%, I think I may have been thinking of the Latin component in Maltese. My apologies. However, I never said the Balkan article was Slavic. The feature is geographic rather than genetic; Albanian has a similar definite article despite being neither Slavic nor Italic.
Also, just what d'you mean by '100% Latin grammar'? That doesn't even make sense. Are you referring to Classical or Vulgar Latin, both of which differ considerably from Romanian and so can't have the same grammar? Or modern Romance languages, which all differ from each other?
attends c est a moi que tu parles comme ca? parceque j ai peut etre fait une faute d orthographe mais relis ton message et dis moi si tu trouve ca correcte. maintenant tu me donne aucun argument du point de vue musical donc je ne suis pas interessé merci, salut.
@Kathara14 I don't know about France but in Italy there are some communities who lived in Calabria and Aburzzo regions for more than 400 years and did integrate into society, though in the end of '30 the fascists put many Gypsies into concentration camps. In the last few years there is a problem with Gypsies who came from Romania. As far as I know nobody donated houses to them. They live in barracks in the margin of society. I don't say they are angels but don't tell me they had the same rights
@sayoc : lasa-ma cu doveditul! Tu ai fost agresiv in limbaj si eu ti-am dat replica pe masura, nu te-am insultat, am spus adevarul! Dar nu e problema mea daca adevarul doare!
je comprends tout à fait, je supose que duand j'ai écrit ca je pensais aussi à ce qu'ils font de manière général et non dans la musique uniquement. on reconnais les morceau attention je n'ai pas la prétention de juger leur musicalité, simplement le discours à coté ne m'avais pas plut c'est tout.
There's a difference between real Roma and petty gypsies. The real Roma are a proud group, with good traditions, not criminals. Regardless of race, every ethnic group has their own bad sides.
yes there is a difference - gypsies are proud of their heritage and don't try to hide their origin behind a silly name like "Roma". It's insulting to generations of people who came before them, struggled to survive and managed to preserve their traditions and language. The "Roma" are those ashamed of their bretheren and trying to pose as a different identity
Sokares? Janes romanes? Mishto! Rromas - or tsigani, as they are called in the Balkans - are of different casts dependng on their clan trade, some are metal workers, some work in wood, some do jewelry, etc. Taditionally nomadic or itinerant, some have settled down and most are poor and uneducated, living at the adge of town or vilage. But some are filthy rich. The ones who play music usually come from a poor background and practice a lot so they can earn their keep this way. Such is life...
LSK100 my friend, you have studied history, how can you not recognize hungarian bartok composer, and romanian traditional folklore under a masterful interpretation by a gypsy music band. Why would you fabricate such a moment, lautareasca music is great also, but this is not lautareasca music. cheers
No, I'm not Roma myself. It just goes to show how you wrongly judge people based on racial stereotypes. Yes, I've met Roma before. I've never had any problems with them. I was even lucky enough to meet Taraf de Haiduks, just after a performance in London a few years ago. And what the hell has the number of languages you speak got to do with anything?
Your knowledge of linguistics is evidently as crap as your views on Roma and Hungarians Romanian might retain some archaic grammar that has vanished in other Romance languages, but around 60% of the vocabulary is Slavic. Likewise, the presence of a suffixed definite article is a Balkan feature, also found in Bulgarian and Albanian. Point is, Italian and Sardinian are the closest living languages to Latin. Romanian is as divergent from Latin as French and Portuguese are.
to one another ... and Romanians are Romanian citizens should be proud of them ... finish with such interpretations are not Romanian Gypsies and other like that
@simPattyK imi primul rand imi cer scuze ca am crezut ca esti baiat(nu stiu cum am reusit sa fac trecerea asta ciudata )...cat despre "am zis ca ai acelasi tupeu in limbaj si in atitudine...e ceva caracteristic pentru tigani.."...nu cred ca asta ai vrut sa zici despre un om pe care practic nu il cunosti...
3:03 Bartok.. he came among us... he took Romanian music.. he stole Romanian music.. well we think he didn't really stole it, he listened to it and then he did classical music with it. And then, we listened to Bartok music a little bit and then we adapted it in 2 hours in Romanian dance melodies. Because we play by ear 5:02 Bartok, I don't know Bartok. I don't know. I know Romanian music. It comes from here (show his ear). No paper, no score, G, C, E, A, A#, we don't know that here
All I can tell you is that Western Europe, or the civilized world has no right to judge other when it comes to racism and nationalism. I'm not writing this in order to excuse the racism in Romania, nevertheless almost every country in western Europe has its share of NATZI
I seriously doubt the fact that there´s another nation on this planet that manage to rise to the great culture of Romania. Not even the French nor the Italians with their Opera chants, classical music etc can measure with Romanian culture, literature, music, poets, architeture. Romanian music with great geniuses like Enescu, Celidilache, Zamfir, Toni Iordache, Maria Tanase, Ciprian Porumbescu, Eugen Doga,Cantemir ,Ion Voicu, Georges Boulanger, Mihail Jora, Iosif Ivanovici and The great brigands of Taraf de Haidouks are the reason why God has a Romanian soul. This is something to be remember.
Reggie Kray I'm happy you're proud of your country......but...probably you're not right
Iliescu....
Eee let's not exaggerate...
Million Thanks to the the very first compozer of this extraordinary musik: THE ROMANIAN PEASANT ! Then, the Hungarian musician , Bartok , inspired himself from the creation of The Romanian Peasant , and finally, these superb Romanian gypsies musicians made a fenomenal interpretation! Congratulations!
💙💛❤️
BRAVO! bellisimo! this king of music must always be preserved
Congratulations Romanians, Bartok, and all folk musicians !
It's so beautiful how this melody came full circle: Bartok collected it from Romanian peasant musicians 100 years ago and now Romanian musicians are playing it again in the original style, what a great uplifting idea! it's very positive for Romanians Hungarians and Gypsies to realize they share a common culture with contributions from everybody.
More the balkan region than hungary but hungary too and also a touch of oriental music
the kid dancing at the end is magic. no dancing lessons, only pure talent.
Amazing pure art. I've deeply admired them for a long time now
ils jouent á l´oreille ! tous ensemble en harmonie!
et avec quelle virtuosité.
Pour moi un très beau message. Paix et joie de vivre.
Merci Taraf de haidouks
Had been composed approximately in the same years of the 20 th. century, both the Romanian Rhapsodies No.1 and 2 by Gheorghe Enescu and the Romanian Folk Dances by Béla Bartók bring the sound of Romanian music of different regions that make up the current Romania. In other words, a listener can hear the sounds that had been inspired from Wallachian and Moldavian melodies from the Rhapsodies by Enescu and can hear the sounds that had been inspired from Transylvanian melodies from this composition by Bartók. Thus it is possible to say that both composers who had been lived approximately in the same periods but from different countries had presented the aforementioned valuable works that contribute to the music of a country by which listeners achieve the "Big Picture" upon listening all of them.
BRAVO! bellisimo! this king of music must always be preserved 8:07
Congratulations Romanians, Bartok, and all folk musicians !
Its pretty amazing that a Romania gipsy musician, inspired by Bartok (Hungarian composer and folk music collector) gives an interview in French about his source of inspiration, which led them (Taraf) to inspire and make happy millions of others. These are the moments when we should think about all the bullshit politicians and the TV is trying to sell us... instead listen some of this music, meet people, make friends and enjoy life :)
Wonderfuul stuff man ....
@thegreenscorpio
Once and for all: this is a reinterpretation by Taraf de Haidouks of a piece of classical music called "Romanian Folk Dances", composed bu Bela Bartok in 1915, and inspired by traditional Romanian music. You don't "change the title" of a piece of music which is part of the international repertoire of classical music and has been performed for a century !
And Ivigata is right: Taraf de Haidouks are BOTH Romanian and Gypsies. No discussion about that.
FELICITARI DOMNILOR !
Superbe musique , c'est le Blues de la Roumanie,et en plus ça donne envie de danser.
@CrammedDiscs Nice! Taraf de Haidouks are romanian "lautari", how is called the romanian gypsy musicians! Romanian Folk Dances is a well-know piece, arranged for many instrumentations (string orchestra, piano duo, flauta solo and violin and piano). I played and it was amazing experience!
amazing artistry!!!
fantastic music...thanks for uploading!;)
TRUE MUSICIANS!!!!
BRAVO ! UN BEAU MOMENT !!
Such great music!!
Acordeonistul e maestru mare!!!
incredible musicians romanian the best in the world that band playing in America jazz classics ballad folklore everything the best roamanian
Geez, opens up a whole new world. I do see the North East Indian in some of the faces... Makes me think nobody REALLY KNOWS their exact ancestral origins unless we test our DNA. Such good musicians. Some of it is really great music. I thought Gypsy music was much slower - then I see that kid dancing like crazy - so impressive :) :) :) Full of LIFE! But then, this is Romanian. I'll have to investigate into other sounds. Thanks for posting.
Grratulàlok nagyon jò lett Bartòk Béla.
I find this music amazing!, the skills are superb!!, roma soul is beautiful!!!
It's a pitty anyway all the racists comments, most of them came from people who have never been in their shoes (the 'real situation', not the 'romantic' one)...
Love, respect and greetings from Mexico :)
@Uberforth It's movement 5 from romanian Folk Dances by Bartok (as you could have guessed since they are playing that piece (total of 6 movements) ;) )
Merveilleux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ivitagata Fortunately today they are pride for Romania because for many years they were really discriminated being Gypsy's and were forced not to live into the cities.
Great interpretation btw!!
Very nice!
Bravo, bravissimo!
Um yes it is. Well, in fact it's classical music inspired by romanian dance music. Hence it's called "Romanian Folk dances/Danses roumaines"- by Bela Bartok.
The guy is explaining that the band had learned to play the song in only 10 minutes just by listening to it on a cassette. That is further proof that this is romanian music, as they could only learn it so fast since they were already accustomed to this kind of music.
This has been the music played in Romania for centuries.
They are from south Romania and the music is from western and northern Romania, regions with a different style of music! But they learned by ear all the tunes they play and that's why they learn so easy!
amazing
@violinmyth
In France , there are some people who come from Romania , but just for few years .
The name"gitans" (< "tzigane" = gypsie ) is ancient and is used to describe every people that moves from town to town , even they are french ( now called "gens du voyage"= journey's people )
On the radio they explain there are several commnunities from Romania , with very different traditions ,behaving and jobs .
Of course , police makes it hard for them .
Children have to go to school , though
The band (trupa) is Fantastic! I like the CD- title too, Maskarada= masquerade ,it´s exactly what they do with the B. Bartok Romanian Dances. Would be not so bad to read(?) what the composer have written to every dance, ex. Jocul cu Bata,Buciumeana etc. - there are sacral dances - M.Eliade- with a spiritual meaning. I dont't know if it will help,but try.....
Anyway,Bravo for the "originality".
This and the way Janine Jansen are COMPLETELY different - this is like "salt and a soft drink", but is still has its beauty.
ce-i merg piciorusele acelui copil...super tare !!!
great!
ma bucur ca sunteti roman, fiindca atunci va pot cita in romaneste vorba cu pricina: "meseria nu se-nvata, se fura". dat fiind felul in care lautarii isi insuseau in mod traditional meseria (prin ucenicie la casa maestrului sau pe langa acesta la nunti si alte ocazii), e de inteles cum de s-a ajuns la formularea aceasta.
'furatul' cu pricina e strict metaforic si vorbitorul din film se corecteaza la un moment dat (3:19) cand isi da seama ca poate fi rau inteles. la fel spune ca "a prins" melodia
thx!!!!!!!!
VERY interesting :-O !!!!
BRAVO :-)
great luv xxx
hi there everyone. I´m traveller myself. and I´ve always have the musik with me and within me. I´m playing the viiolin.for now. to survive kritics from other people I played some songs. and I love bela bartok. he feels so home. maybe it´s sad music but it shows the feelings in this people and how they dances. you don´t have to agree. and taraf de haiduks is kings for me with the playing. can you answer a question? is romanian dances from bartok the same as transylvanian dancers? and how can I get to transylvanian dancers which bartok wrote. big hugs, love and blessings.
+Elizabeth nilzén
I can gladly help you .
Bela Bartok was inspired by traditional songs and dances of Romanians/Wallachians. Obviously Romanians are not gypsies or the new term for gypsies (romani).
I can tell you exactly from wich songs and dances he was inspired, but with Romanian names : Jocul Cu Bâta, Brâul, Pe Loc, Buciumeana, Poarga Româneascâ, Mârunțel.
Have a nice day.
@jakobsybren Rad, thanks. Ah yes, you're right, I guess it is from that single piece. Thanks for telling me which movement it is. :)
i agree- it's the same with all music. everyone shares something with someone else- that's why it doesnt make any sense to discriminate as much as some people do!
ok, thanks for the invitation.
the first music is in a hungarian film (boys from Pal street)
Regarding Gypsy/Romania, it does not freaking matter if one is a gypsy, it does not matter if he is an ethnic romanian, it just matters who you are, not what you are.
Wow, good video!\\\\
wow
Bravo!!! does any one know the meaning of Buceumeana? I am told that the buceu is the Romanian sheperds (single-noted) horn, similar to the Swiss. And that Buceumeana may be song FOR these sheperds, but not necessarily BY them. Anybody got any info?
It's Buciumeana. Bucium is the village in Transylvania where Bartók recorded this melody.
@violinmyth And you got this information from? There are many gypsies in my village, and always were.
really kool :D
Aici se termina muzica, ceilalti doar canta, ei sunt magnifici
@Kathara14 I just speak about my experience, exactly a month ago I was in a conference about the situation at least in the city of Rome. Being people of a nomad tradition there is a problem and sometimes clashes with the stable locals. Probably today the situation is different in Romania but in the past from what I understood Gypsies couldn't have a stable place inside the cities. By the way do you work with the Ethnographic archives? i saw some of the video you upload
well first I'm romanian and second I'm musician.. I never heard that romanian steal anything to learn, but gypsy may do this.
I understand what you mean, that's just the way to say it.. I've got a big respect for bela bartok and all he had to suffer, that's just the word that paused a problem, I understand but certainly not ok with that..
I'm afraid you misunderstand the guy; his reference to Bartok's 'stealing' Romanian music means, as he himself explains a bit later, that he thinks Bartok learned Romanian music just as these players learned their craft, by watching how it's done and listening, rather than by reading it from printed scores. He's speaking within an oral culture where, as we say in Romanian, you don't learn a craft, you 'steal' it. You may or may not like the result, but, please, do not make uninformed comments!
I never claimed to be an expert on Romance Languages. Nor did I deny that Romanian is a Romance language. I do, however, take an interest in linguistics. The stuff I wrote was based on the work of respected academics like W.B Lockwood and Anthony Burgess.
Ce ma face cel mai fericit e faptul ca oamenii ca tine traiesc nefericiti, in permanenta urand pe cineva, frustrati de lumea asta mare, iritati in permanenta de tigani sau altii. Sunt si eu nationalist si patriot dar intai de toate om.Iti urez o viata precum o meriti ;).
Rock'n roll starts at 07:30 😉
I mentioned that I'm a Spanish speaker not to say that I know more but merely to point out there's more mutual intelligibility between Latin and Western Romance languages (at least as far as the written thing goes).
Oh, and I just added the bit about Taraful because this is after all a video of them. I didn't mean anything by it, just incidental information.
This has been the music played in Romania for centuries. What a shame people don't know about it anymore.
I know it because when I was very small in my granpa's house some "lautari" used to come and play to us... it was very much like this. Don't say it's not romanian folk music cause you have no clue.
Real romanian folk music isn't Irina Login and Ion Dolanescu... they are just some recent artists fabricated by the television.
Would anyone happen to know what the name of the song is which starts at 7:30?
amaing
Actually it is Romanian folk music you ignorant. The musicians are indeed gypsy, but the music they're playing is Bartok's "Romanian Folk Dances". The gypsies play the local music, in Romania they play Romanian folk, in Spain they play flamenco for example.
@csilviu1
eu sunt foarte de acord cu dvs.Eu sunt romanca, dar cea mai buna prietena a mea e Tziganca si o iubesc, si de fiecare data m-am inteles bine cu tziganii.
Correction: Bartók drew inspiration from Transylvanian music, not Balkans.
Is he speaking french? It could be romanian but I am not good enough at french to know for sure if it is french or not.
For centuaries it was only jews and gypsies who were hired folk musicians. In some countires that was actually law at some point ! The played for everyone, all the weddings etc. and it all got mixed in. They adpted their music to the tastes of their hosts but kept their own for their own too.You cannot play eastern European folk music without their influence, there is no such thing.
@philippealfredduly You should get that this is an interview for television, maybe a French network. If you speak it so fluently, then you should hear him speak of Romania and Romanian music. If you should search them on the internet, you'ld find out they are indeed Romanian. RUclips is not wikipedia, is just a place to post videos. Learn to use the internet for information!
@Kathara14 Hi,
I got my info. from Gypsies with whom I did a course in 1999 in Transylvania. They were forced to live outside of the towns and not inside (let say not in a proper house) at least under Ceauşescu I don't know how it was before and Transylvania was under Hungary before WWI but lets leave the political issues...
that guys are the fuckin best
Sorry, my mistake. I didn't mean 60%, I think I may have been thinking of the Latin component in Maltese. My apologies.
However, I never said the Balkan article was Slavic. The feature is geographic rather than genetic; Albanian has a similar definite article despite being neither Slavic nor Italic.
Also, just what d'you mean by '100% Latin grammar'? That doesn't even make sense. Are you referring to Classical or Vulgar Latin, both of which differ considerably from Romanian and so can't have the same grammar? Or modern Romance languages, which all differ from each other?
Damn straight is that a reinterpretation, oh my gosh.
attends c est a moi que tu parles comme ca?
parceque j ai peut etre fait une faute d orthographe mais relis ton message et dis moi si tu trouve ca correcte.
maintenant tu me donne aucun argument du point de vue musical donc je ne suis pas interessé
merci, salut.
@Kathara14 I don't know about France but in Italy there are some communities who lived in Calabria and Aburzzo regions for more than 400 years and did integrate into society, though in the end of '30 the fascists put many Gypsies into concentration camps. In the last few years there is a problem with Gypsies who came from Romania. As far as I know nobody donated houses to them. They live in barracks in the margin of society. I don't say they are angels but don't tell me they had the same rights
No, I have the dvd "The continuing adventures of Taraf de haidoucks", and they also interview them and they talk about how they discoverd them etc
vale ,levanto mi fusca hasta que galo
@violinmyth Then I'd suggest you do your own research on the matter. Try and see what happened to the houses the Italian/French donated to gypsies.
@sayoc : lasa-ma cu doveditul! Tu ai fost agresiv in limbaj si eu ti-am dat replica pe masura, nu te-am insultat, am spus adevarul! Dar nu e problema mea daca adevarul doare!
je comprends tout à fait, je supose que duand j'ai écrit ca je pensais aussi à ce qu'ils font de manière général et non dans la musique uniquement.
on reconnais les morceau attention je n'ai pas la prétention de juger leur musicalité, simplement le discours à coté ne m'avais pas plut c'est tout.
There's a difference between real Roma and petty gypsies. The real Roma are a proud group, with good traditions, not criminals. Regardless of race, every ethnic group has their own bad sides.
yes there is a difference - gypsies are proud of their heritage and don't try to hide their origin behind a silly name like "Roma". It's insulting to generations of people who came before them, struggled to survive and managed to preserve their traditions and language. The "Roma" are those ashamed of their bretheren and trying to pose as a different identity
Sokares? Janes romanes? Mishto!
Rromas - or tsigani, as they are called in the Balkans - are of different casts dependng on their clan trade, some are metal workers, some work in wood, some do jewelry, etc. Taditionally nomadic or itinerant, some have settled down and most are poor and uneducated, living at the adge of town or vilage. But some are filthy rich. The ones who play music usually come from a poor background and practice a lot so they can earn their keep this way. Such is life...
And the Slavic component in Romanian generally wouldn't help you understand modern Slavonic words, as the borrowings came from Old Church Slavonic.
LSK100 my friend, you have studied history, how can you not recognize hungarian bartok composer, and romanian traditional folklore under a masterful interpretation by a gypsy music band.
Why would you fabricate such a moment, lautareasca music is great also, but this is not lautareasca music.
cheers
With fragments of the music of Tchaikovsky ...
No, I'm not Roma myself. It just goes to show how you wrongly judge people based on racial stereotypes. Yes, I've met Roma before. I've never had any problems with them. I was even lucky enough to meet Taraf de Haiduks, just after a performance in London a few years ago.
And what the hell has the number of languages you speak got to do with anything?
Your knowledge of linguistics is evidently as crap as your views on Roma and Hungarians
Romanian might retain some archaic grammar that has vanished in other Romance languages, but around 60% of the vocabulary is Slavic. Likewise, the presence of a suffixed definite article is a Balkan feature, also found in Bulgarian and Albanian.
Point is, Italian and Sardinian are the closest living languages to Latin. Romanian is as divergent from Latin as French and Portuguese are.
to one another ... and Romanians are Romanian citizens should be proud of them ... finish with such interpretations are not Romanian Gypsies and other like that
@simPattyK imi primul rand imi cer scuze ca am crezut ca esti baiat(nu stiu cum am reusit sa fac trecerea asta ciudata )...cat despre "am zis ca ai acelasi tupeu in limbaj si in atitudine...e ceva caracteristic pentru tigani.."...nu cred ca asta ai vrut sa zici despre un om pe care practic nu il cunosti...
pentru banditul 1705: bine ai zis, fratzicaaa!
3:03 Bartok.. he came among us... he took Romanian music.. he stole Romanian music.. well we think he didn't really stole it, he listened to it and then he did classical music with it. And then, we listened to Bartok music a little bit and then we adapted it in 2 hours in Romanian dance melodies. Because we play by ear
5:02
Bartok, I don't know Bartok. I don't know. I know Romanian music. It comes from here (show his ear). No paper, no score, G, C, E, A, A#, we don't know that here
rumania
All I can tell you is that Western Europe, or the civilized world has no right to judge other when it comes to racism and nationalism. I'm not writing this in order to excuse the racism in Romania, nevertheless almost every country in western Europe has its share of NATZI
@TuLKaS2 multa mesc
This is sensational music-making and it's completely outrageous that anyone should use it as an outlet for racist bile.
so des duma o rromo pă fraceză ))))))
kid - 8:00
@ivitagata : Rroma (Gypsies) are not Romanians!!!
Hungarians are not Romanians!!!
Learn some history before talking about other peoples' culture!!
gypsy, not roma
3:50 "Pe Loc" dans din Maramures.
watch?v=baYRLRCeP5E