Should Jeremy Corbyn be suspended from the parliamentary Labour party? | Owen Jones interview

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  • Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2024

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  • @liamclarke5275
    @liamclarke5275 4 года назад +7

    Even the left media can't put Corbyns comments in context 🙄
    He 100% awknowledged the problem & agreed with the recommendations of the EHRC report.
    His comments about the scale & politicising of the issue were his right of reply (defended in the report), after the media disgraced themselves in the presser & made the whole thing about him.

  • @Valee_7
    @Valee_7 4 года назад +25

    He Shouldn’t be suspended

    • @cs0rpc
      @cs0rpc 4 года назад +14

      Correct, he was quite useful at keeping Labour out of power. As is Owen Jones.

    • @GingerNautMC
      @GingerNautMC 4 года назад +3

      @@cs0rpc you look silly

    • @cs0rpc
      @cs0rpc 4 года назад

      @@thebeatcreeper By letting everyone and his dog in. Not really any sort of a comment on the value of his policies. 3,000 votes? Not sure what you’re talking about there. Labour were 750,000 in the popular vote, but we all recognise that is not what general elections are based on.

    • @cs0rpc
      @cs0rpc 4 года назад

      @@GingerNautMC To you? I can live with that.

    • @cs0rpc
      @cs0rpc 4 года назад

      @@thebeatcreeper Brilliant logic. It’s the establishments fault he failed. Not the fact that he was completely out of his depth, had bonkers policies, was trying to implement a brand of socialism that has failed everywhere it has been tried and that he had the weakest shadow cabinet in living memory.

  • @j94c
    @j94c 4 года назад +30

    Hate crimes aren't 'soaring', the Home Office themselves acknowledge that ‘increases in hate crime over the last five years have been mainly driven by improvements in crime recording by the police’.

    • @edders2009
      @edders2009 4 года назад +4

      Have you seen who's in charge of the Home Office? Asians can be racist too, in fact I think she got the job so the Tories can get away with their persecution of migrants

    • @DJWESG1
      @DJWESG1 4 года назад

      So it's actually because the police weren't doing their jobs correctly b4 , meaning many miscarriages of justice due the lack of improvement until recently?

    • @jackkruese4258
      @jackkruese4258 4 года назад +2

      @@edders2009
      So trying to slow down third world immigration is a persecution of migrants.... thank god I stopped voting Labour and for this crap 15 years ago.

    • @edders2009
      @edders2009 4 года назад

      @@jackkruese4258 of course it is, you're forcing people to stay in poor countries, that's wicked

    • @jackkruese4258
      @jackkruese4258 4 года назад +1

      @@edders2009
      Uk represents approximately 1% of the worlds population, Western Europe 10%, , how much of the remaining 99% - 90% would you allow in ?
      Besides wouldn’t it be an idea for them to remain in their countries and try and improve them ?

  • @rivolinho
    @rivolinho 4 года назад +10

    At least if the Brexit commentary career falls through he can always go back in time and start a 90s boyband.

  • @chrisgriffin698
    @chrisgriffin698 4 года назад +8

    this is where Corbyn needs to hold the ones who knowingly lied about him, with in Labour and in the news accountable or the slanderous anti-Corbyn, bullshit peddlers will never stop attacking him, for fighting for the right things.

    • @chrisgriffin698
      @chrisgriffin698 4 года назад

      @Jo Sm that is funny bot, just look at your RUclips acount, then tell me who is the lie.

  • @unabashed26
    @unabashed26 4 года назад +8

    Interviewer looks like he’s coming down from a tremendous night out.

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      @zaidkaleb4933 3 года назад

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      @marcelobodhi1692 3 года назад

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  • @anthonydavis9842
    @anthonydavis9842 4 года назад +5

    Love him or hate him, he’s entitled to his opinion and he isn’t afraid of debate like some on the left who just want to shut down discussion.
    I don’t always agree with him but I do listen to him
    I would say about the media dedicating its resources towards negative stereotypes I would love to see a study towards the media’s views on white European males. I hear plenty of attacks on this demographic but very few if no positive stories towards this group. If a positive story about an individual who happens to be a white male, the fact that he is a white male is never mentioned.
    It’s claimed that white makes are automatically respected because of their inherent privileges? Is it really? Maybe in white suburban areas, not in a lot of other places though

  • @dr34mlucid
    @dr34mlucid 4 года назад +7

    Haha owen Jones is so funny! He's got s list of facts that he's been getting worked up about all day...

    • @glitch373
      @glitch373 4 года назад

      @Sarah Harry and that 5 grand is a fact is it?

    • @lauramartin5579
      @lauramartin5579 4 года назад

      @Sarah Harry what?! What are you talking about?

    • @unabashed26
      @unabashed26 4 года назад

      Sarah Harry you do realise that tax is scaled based on income? Yes, Owen is paying more tax than you.

    • @nicksharman5169
      @nicksharman5169 3 года назад

      @@unabashed26 incorrect, its on housing

  • @TheMarnaiz
    @TheMarnaiz 4 года назад +2

    Just because you think the 'timing' was wrong - what Corbyn said, wasn't. Starmer himself has not been able to answer the question: 'What rule has Corbyn broken?' It's a bloody farce and was meant, solely, to embarrass Corbyn. Starmer wasn't prepared for the backlash from pro-Corbyn supporters, hence the reason they've 'allowed' Corbyn back in. Removing the whip was just plain nasty on Starmer's part. And btw, ANYONE can join any Facebook page, pretend they're a Corbyn supporter and spout racism. Do you honestly think that those vehemently against Jeremy wouldn't be tempted to do such a thing? Come on!

    • @davidcooks2379
      @davidcooks2379 4 года назад +1

      He undermined the fight against anti-Semitism and confirmed that having him in the party gives excuse to anti-Semites to continue doing what they do

  • @SydBarrettsGhost
    @SydBarrettsGhost 4 года назад +5

    We're still waiting for what actually is the definition of Islamophobia and also what constitutes hate speech ........waiting ? ..........still waiting

    • @archvaldor
      @archvaldor 4 года назад

      So your free speech is more important than that of your opponents? Good luck with that. I've actually defended the rights of people like you to speak deeply repulsive as you are...when its a left-winger you just get crickets from the other side. Now the establishment is shutting the far right down and you've only got yourselves to blame.

    • @yoyo-lf3ld
      @yoyo-lf3ld 4 года назад +3

      Hate speech is anything lefties don't agree with

  • @elliotwatson3754
    @elliotwatson3754 4 года назад +5

    "It's s a factory of racism and hatred.".Not really, is the Times or the Independent racist?

  • @beachboss7320
    @beachboss7320 4 года назад +4

    The thing is, you say Corbyn should be let back in, but in the next breath are saying that Corbyn should have more emotional inteligence and learn from this. The problem is he isn't, he's flat out refusing because really this is about his legacy. Thats piss poor in my opinion and I don't think Starmer should let him in until he does apologies publicly.

    • @vinlondon8904
      @vinlondon8904 4 года назад +3

      what has he done to apologise again ?

    • @beachboss7320
      @beachboss7320 4 года назад +2

      Putting aside the offence to a large portion of the Jewish community that’s already been expressed in response to his comments. The guys just picked a battle over one of the most toxic issue to the wider public for no other reason than “correcting” his legacy in a time of national crisis. This is very typical Corbyn, yeah he’s technically correct -the media have exploited the issue no doubt about it, but it’s a point that didn’t need making, that brings bags of bad press on a labour that’s just suffered a huge defeat, undermines the current leaders zero tolerance pledge and causes a split in the party. anyone with an ounce of emotional intelligence would know those comments will go down like a lead balloon and his deliberate comments are effectively a challenge to the new labours authority. Why he’s chose this to battle to fight over the political direction of the party is beyond me.

    • @vinlondon8904
      @vinlondon8904 4 года назад

      @@beachboss7320 he was factually correct in what he said, period.
      If starmer wants a zero tolerance policy at least be f... consistent dude. Black people are also being vilified and discriminated in our society and so are the Muslims. Is he speaking loudly about that ? Of course not...he is actually not a huge fan of black lives matter movement. I wouldn't be surprised that he isn't a huge fan of Muslims too. Too much energy and effort were spend on this AS where ehrc only recorded two cases of alleged AS. Only two cases in a party of more than half a million. This is just ridiculous to even look at it.
      In a country that voted for brexit where a huge reason to vote for it was immigration. What does that tell you about this country? That a huge proportion of it is filled with bigots and racists. Is anyone bothered by it? No, but two cases of AS in a party of half a million should require attention of the whole mainstream media for 3-4 years. It's a slap in the face to other communities in this country.
      Please do not try to speak on behalf of the Jewish community. Probably most of them are not even aware of it.

    • @beachboss7320
      @beachboss7320 4 года назад +2

      @@vinlondon8904 think your going abit mad there, Starmer hates Muslims and black people now? Because he’s taking on Corbyn?... this is typical of his hardcore support base. Your response boils down to “Jews what are they moaning about! what about black people and Muslims”. A slap in the face? Your attitude stinks. your clearly one of these that are denying the problem exists at all. There is a problem with antisemitism in labour!!!!! That’s a fact! The report was compiled by one of the most respected human rights organisations in the world. It found labour broke the law. Labour are LEGALLY required to fix that. Corbyn even admits that himself, he just made a point about the media at an incredibly inappropriate time that made it seem like he was dismissing the report. There wasn’t “just two cases” for Christ sake!!! Read the damn report and you might realise how your behaviour is the kind of shit they’re talking about.

    • @davidcooks2379
      @davidcooks2379 4 года назад

      Corbyn in his 70 years hasn't learnt a thing. He is basically stuck in the 70s

  • @noordinarylives7951
    @noordinarylives7951 4 года назад +4

    On what grounds was JC suspended? Does anybody know?

    • @bookie5667
      @bookie5667 4 года назад +2

      The Equality and Human Rights Commission conducted an investigation into antisemitism within the Labour Party. On the morning when they published their findings Kier Starmer publicly stated that the report should be accepted and things should "move on". However, Jeremy Corbyn decided to push back and said that the report exaggerated the situation. This is considered by Corbyn's critics as a denial of antisemitism within Labour. This is why he was suspended from the Labour Party pending an investigation etc

    • @mariogmajner6549
      @mariogmajner6549 4 года назад +6

      @@bookie5667 He didn't say the report exaggerated the situation, Corbyn said the media and it's political opponents exaggerated Antisemitism in the Labour Party, which is true because the EHRC report found Labour not to be Institutionally Antisemitic

    • @bookie5667
      @bookie5667 4 года назад +2

      @@mariogmajner6549 on the contrary, the EHRC report said
      "The equality body's analysis points to a culture within the Party that, at best, did not do enough to prevent antisemitism and, at worst, could be seen to accept it".
      It also found the Party guilty of 3 breaches of the Equality Act 2010 citing political interference in antisemitic complaints, failure to provide training for those handling antisemitic complaints, and harassment.
      That sounds like institutionally antisemitic to me. Nice try at dressing this up as something else though!

    • @noordinarylives7951
      @noordinarylives7951 4 года назад +1

      @@bookie5667 I know the media narrative but that isn’t the specific rule / grounds for his suspension.

    • @bookie5667
      @bookie5667 4 года назад +1

      @@RyanCarrington my guess would be a breach under Chapter 2, Section 6.A. or Section 8 (of the same chapter) of the Labour Party Rulebook 2020 .

  • @MARTINA-gc3tq
    @MARTINA-gc3tq 4 года назад +3

    The Guardian loves using the phrase "Government U Turn" ....did the labour party do a U turn over respecting the Brexit referendum?

  • @jamesen01
    @jamesen01 4 года назад +5

    Owen Jones talks about there being two Labour Party machines. Then says that Kier Starmer shouldn't do something different to the Labour Party machines. He says that no one is talking about implementing the EHRC recommendations yet Kier Starmer said that the reason Corbyn wasn't being readmitted because he hadn't apologised and an independent process should be in place before he was allowed back into the PLP.
    Jones is obsessed with saying 'the left need to learn the lessons from...' yet 'the left' he represents have been saying the same thing for 70 years. They never learn. They never change.

    • @dhm5675
      @dhm5675 4 года назад +2

      Apologise for what? What labour party rule has Jeremy broken that it only takes an apology for all to be well again?

    • @DJWESG1
      @DJWESG1 4 года назад +1

      What would you like "the left to learn"?
      Maybe make a list.

    • @mariogmajner6549
      @mariogmajner6549 4 года назад +1

      @@dhm5675 Jews should apologise to Corbyn

  • @sarahjessicafarter7383
    @sarahjessicafarter7383 4 года назад +4

    4:26 We see this done often in anglophone media where readers and viewers are lied to about the explicitly neonazi bent of movements in non-anglophone nations. We're lied to that Golden Dawn are just good, old-fashioned Greek patriots with the liar knowing his audience cannot understand Greek so will just take his word for it. Those who do understand Greek can find out Golden Dawn's leader was very far from patriotic. He instead referred to Germany as his "motherland" and described the Greek people as "weak".

    • @lauramartin5579
      @lauramartin5579 4 года назад +1

      Havent the Greeks just imprisoned several? And banned the party because they are nazis?

    • @graemeyetts3465
      @graemeyetts3465 3 года назад

      Calling his own people week, is not Nazi. Greece is a failed state though this is not down to the people but their own governments and the EU who backed the country into a corner and raped it financially.

  • @mechabits197
    @mechabits197 4 года назад +1

    NO, discrimination cuts both ways, but it seems ok if its directed at corbyn

  • @DJFAmenHeavy
    @DJFAmenHeavy 4 года назад +3

    Ugh. This channel has reached the bottom. Unsubscribed

  • @MARAK709
    @MARAK709 4 года назад +10

    The fact that Owen Jones (who i have my differences with) gets so much criticism on here, when his political aims are about improving most people's lives, from the very people whose lives he wants to see get better, is sad.

    • @elliotwatson3754
      @elliotwatson3754 4 года назад

      He's like Marmite isn't he?

    • @MARAK709
      @MARAK709 4 года назад +2

      @@elliotwatson3754 not sure about that. He’s not loved by many - even people on the left like me don’t like aspects of his politics. But his heart is in the right place and he’s never written articles like Boris Johnson that disparage working class people - the very people who hate Jones and love Johnson.

    • @yoyo-lf3ld
      @yoyo-lf3ld 4 года назад +1

      A persons idea of improving peoples lives isn't inherently good just because they say "they want to improve people's lives". guys a race baiting bigot.

    • @adtastic1533
      @adtastic1533 4 года назад

      Maybe he should spend less time telling those people what they want and more time listening to what they want.

    • @MARAK709
      @MARAK709 4 года назад

      @@adtastic1533 Who says he doesn't?

  • @orionpryme
    @orionpryme 4 года назад +5

    Grifter

  • @stuartsviews1565
    @stuartsviews1565 4 года назад +4

    Oli Dugmore and Owen Jones are a pair of individuals the UK could well see the back of.

  • @jerrytugable
    @jerrytugable 4 года назад +8

    Greta Thunberg's English is improving

  • @jacklewis3803
    @jacklewis3803 3 года назад

    Personally I don’t think Corbyn was an anti-Semite, but I don’t think he took a strong enough stance on anti-semitism. He shouldn’t be suspended, he should just apologise and admit he could’ve done a lot more.

  • @ltaylor9704
    @ltaylor9704 4 года назад +3

    I think the point Owen is missing here is that if Corbyn hadn't written that Facebook post, just 25 minutes after the EHRC report was published, the party wouldn't be in this mess now.

  • @hariowen3840
    @hariowen3840 Год назад

    What on earth's with that Keir Starmer hair style Owen???

  • @danmacalpinbruce2555
    @danmacalpinbruce2555 3 года назад

    No

  • @landonmiller6943
    @landonmiller6943 4 года назад

    Yes...

  • @sjm2752
    @sjm2752 4 года назад +4

    I love Owen. It's his Royal Wokeness and others of his ilk that keep the Labour Party out of office. Keep up the good work Owen. Hugs and kisses.

  • @djgeneralbounce
    @djgeneralbounce 4 года назад +2

    Could've combed his hair.

  • @lilovestich-t8t
    @lilovestich-t8t Год назад

    Antisemitism lives in the foundations of human society and human nature. The human ego-the desire to enjoy at the expense of others and nature-evolves throughout history and during a person’s life. The more it grows, the more it feels an opposite force also dwelling within. That opposite force is called a “point in the heart.” Contrary to our egoistic desires that wish solely to absorb pleasures into themselves, the point in the heart is a desire that has potential to develop into a desire that loves, gives and positively connects to others.
    The point in the heart is also known as the seed of the soul, as we can develop it to discover our soul-the connection that underlies those very points. The realization of the potential encased in this small point of desire is the ability to rise above the human ego, where instead of detaching from one another through our growing egoism, i.e. increasingly prioritizing self-benefit over benefiting others, we instead prioritize the benefit of others and positive human connection.
    The point in the heart is the opposite of our egoistic nature. There are people who host only the negative egoistic force, and there are people who have both the negative egoistic force and the positive altruistic force. When both positive and negative forces coexist in us, then we become called “Jews” or “Israel” according to our inner essence. Likewise, if we solely host the negative egoistic force with no revelation yet of the point in the heart, then we are called “nations of the world” according to that essence.
    We underwent several stages of development throughout history. The point in the heart first surfaced throughout human society in ancient Babylon. The Babylonians who felt the inner urge to seek something deeper in life beyond the earthly egoistic desires joined Abraham, who taught a method for how to nurture the point in the heart in order to rise above the ego and positively connect. Abraham organized the Babylonians who wanted to study with him into a group, and he called this group “Israel,” which is made up of the words “Yashar Kel” (“straight to God”), i.e. people who aim themselves directly at the attainment of nature’s upper force of love, bestowal and connection, which is opposed to the force existing in human beings, the force of reception.
    Since Abraham’s time, the two groups-Israel and the nations of the world-have undergone much development. Some from the Israel camp left the group to pursue their natural egoistic inclinations, i.e. with an inclination to the nations of the world, while some from the nations of the world felt that they possess a special closeness and connection, which draws them to Israel. In other words, Jews are not a nationality, but they are people who host the point in the heart, which associates them with the positive force of nature, and which is opposite to the egoistic force that we are born and raised with by nature.
    The source of antisemitism is in the contrast and conflict between the two opposite desires of our inborn egoism and the point in the heart that can develop our ability to rise above the human ego.

  • @MattsAttack9
    @MattsAttack9 4 года назад +1

    I enjoyed hearing that

  • @FAArchbold
    @FAArchbold 4 года назад +1

    What? Targeted? Really?

  • @themycroft5894
    @themycroft5894 4 года назад +1

    A man chops a man's head off in the street and owens problem is that that act of totally savegery is attributed to the black man who committed the savege act. If you act like a savege you are a savege.

  • @iancollins4320
    @iancollins4320 4 года назад

    My problem is with mi5. He was on our radar but...........many many times.

  • @adtastic1533
    @adtastic1533 4 года назад

    Britain needs a law mandating Owen Jones wear a clown costume in public at all times.

  • @MrBillGarland
    @MrBillGarland 4 года назад +1

    🤮🤮🤮🤮

  • @catherinegregson1717
    @catherinegregson1717 4 года назад

    we want another political mashup!!

  • @philipvjones397
    @philipvjones397 4 года назад +1

    Although I think he represents everything that's wrong with the Left and doubt I'd agree with 99% of what he says, it would've been interesting if you could have got him to talk more generally.

  • @mrrocknroll5284
    @mrrocknroll5284 3 года назад

    Yes. He's Cancer

  • @nigelsensible807
    @nigelsensible807 3 года назад

    Yep. But keep Jones in it. He can worship Len McCluskey 😉

  • @VikingMuayThai
    @VikingMuayThai 4 года назад +2

    I wonder what size dress shirt he wears 👔

  • @MidnightRambler
    @MidnightRambler 3 года назад

    Lol this clown

  • @gtowngtown1601
    @gtowngtown1601 3 года назад

    Where did Owen study Journalism? What's his shorthand speed? I'd like to know. To me he comes across as some bloke pushing an agenda, I very much doubt he's passed the NCTJ Newswriting exam. I could be wrong. Just saying.

    • @rosegunning4861
      @rosegunning4861 3 года назад

      He studied history at university I think

  • @sunshineseven1558
    @sunshineseven1558 4 года назад

    Owens Something about Mary hairstyle gave me a chortle.
    In London City do they now cut hair with a knife and fork?.

  • @davidcooks2379
    @davidcooks2379 4 года назад

    So everybody agrees Corbyn was wrong to issue this statement, and yet Corbyn doesn't apologise.

  • @vintage0x
    @vintage0x 4 года назад +3

    WE LOVE YOU OWEN thanks for the interview Oli!

  • @pls.protect.free.speechuns5528
    @pls.protect.free.speechuns5528 4 года назад

    Why should anyone care what Jews think of UK politics? They have their own country.. it is part of their religion. That is a fact. Therefore they cannot be more patriotic to any country other than Israel. So, they do not really have any right to even discuss politics in the UK or any other country. It is embedded in their religion to be loyal to the geography of Israel over and above every other country in the world. These are undeniable facts written into their own religious books.

  • @davidcooks2379
    @davidcooks2379 4 года назад

    The best would be for Corbyn to resign and call a bi-election