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What do I do? My husband demands I don't go to church.
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- This seems to me to be an area where rebellion against his request is required by faithfulness to God.
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My mother wasn’t allowed to go to church either. This was back in the 60’s and early 70’s. She was a born again Christian. She taught us the word of God for many years. When my dad died in 1972, she went to church. She made a promise to God that when she could go to church, she would. She kept her promise. Me and all five of my brothers have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ into our hearts. So has my three sons and my four grandchildren. Praise God!
Wonderful testimony.
Debunking catholicism
I'm more blessed than mary
Proof = Luke 11:27-28
27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”
28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen
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CHRIST alone
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus
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Work of God =
John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
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1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach
Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul.
Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop
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Jesus said Matthew 23:9
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father.
Sad
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Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God
Use this to defeat the argument.
Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Matthew 12:46-50
46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”.
Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”
John 19:26-27
26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards).
By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26.
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We should not pray to apostles
Romans 1:25
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Acts 10:25-26
25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”
Acts 14:15
15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them,
Revelation 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Revelation 22:8-9
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
Colossians 2:18
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Hebrews 7:25
25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles
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There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
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Apostles are allowed to marry,
1 Corinthians 9:1-5
1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry?
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The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic).
1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple
2)He sank down while walking on water
3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan
4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times
5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven
6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear
7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles.
8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land),
9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit),
10)King Soloman messed up,
11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11).
Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up)
12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up.
13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20
14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9
If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up.
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Galatians 4:21-26
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Sarah is mother of all, Not mary.
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Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics.
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Also, if the apostles didn't wrote it, I don't want it.✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️
Beautiful
Great to hear from a Godley father that knows your responsibilities to your family. Compliments.
God is watching us and knows our struggles. Your mother’s story testifies to this.
I became a believer about 5 years ago. My husband is not a believer. When I first became a Christian he struggled BIG time with it. He never demanded that I not go, but he certainly expressed concerns that I was "all in" at church. We had a pretty big disagreement about it, but it shut him down pretty quickly when I said, "Look, I understand you aren't a Christian and don't understand this, but why would I not do all I can to serve Jesus, who literally died a horrible death to save me? You don't have to agree with it, but I WILL be serving God." I will follow my husband's lead on anything that doesn't go against the Word of God, but I am never backing down from my faith.
It seems like you are unequally yoked.
Through your faith you may save your husband, if he stays (1 Cor 7). Thus the issue is no longer about faith, it becomes an issue in marriage.
God bless you!
@@badgerden7080 of course they are. He’s not a Christian. But neither was she when they married so what does that have to do with it now?
@@briemuss05 exactly right. They were both unbelievers which means they were equally yoked. Now that she's a Believer and he is not their unequally yoke but the Bible already gave her clear instructions on what to do. May we pray for her marriage that through her conduct she may win her husband over to the Lord.
Heh, my husband and I used to fight so much when I went to church. We fought for months, he told me I was joining a cult. We almost ended things. I convinced him to come along one day, after months of endless arguments. He broke down & couldn’t find proof that Jesus didn’t exist. He’s now one of the most loving Christian men I have ever met 💕
Pursue your beliefs because it changes lives.
Glad it worked out.
That’s awesome it worked out.
Praise God!
Beautiful. Thank you
I'm crying for joy. Thank you.
My husband, at one time, demanded I don’t take our daughters to church. I was extremely distraught but reluctantly agreed stating that I would leave them but that I had to go. In the back of my mind I was determined that I would teach my girls myself at home. I left it up to God to vindicate. To my “surprise” the following Sunday my husband told me to take them. 🎉
Sounds like he preferred the mini break time to himself.
You should get into marriage counseling. Fixing your marriage will do wonders more for your daughters then sneaking the word of God to them behind their father's back.
@@mruziicak I didn’t say I would “sneak it behind his back”. He didn’t have a problem with that. He didn’t want me to take them to church. I left it in Gods hands and He fixed it. He doesn’t want to do counseling. BUT we have currently been married for 42 years. I believe it’s because he has no real desire to leave and I believe that because I have more knowledge of God than he does I am his covering spiritually, similar to Abigail and Nabal.
@@joanwheeler3029 Then I misunderstood. I suggest you challenge your husband in scripture intellectually. Too often, the church fails because it is filled with pastors that lead with and accept contradictions. They preach with emotions, not with their minds. Many believe in God, but don't understand His character or why or what He has revealed to us. These people do not find God in churches of emotion and feeling.
@@mruziicak thank you for that but I’ve tried it.
Also, my dad accepted the Lord about 6 days before he died. Another ....praise God.
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Agree, keep going. I was the spouse who didn't go. Now, I never told my wife she shouldn't, but I stayed home. She kept asking me to go, but wasn't pushing me to a point where I'd never want to. Eventually I relented and while I still was being a jerk about it, I said I'd keep going to support her. Here we are years later, and I owe her everything. I thank God every day for her helping to get me saved.
Your testimony gives me hope
Thank you
@TheBadger40 I'm glad! This is tip of the iceberg too. I was borderline suicidal. She helped me find a psychologist well before asking me to go with her to church. Therapy helped, but it was more like a bandage.
Please pray for me to gather the courage and discernment to go back to church. The Lord God knows my situation but I want to be obedient to Him only. Thank you.
Praying for you, Veronica! I’ve reported the two bots here in the replies as well.
Praying for all of you who feel torn between your marriage and serving the Lord. I feel so blessed that my husband and I found the Lord together.
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My mom yielded to my dad's constant badgering and complaining about church and didn't go. We kids went when we were young because my grandmother would send the church bus to pick us up. By the end of grade school, however, none of us were in church and that's when we needed it the most. By God's grace we did end up coming back to the Lord and being born again, but not until we'd gone through our own self-inflicted pain and sorrow due to not living for the Lord. My mom not going to church, made my abusive dad worse, not better. He only grew to be more and more of a tyrant because there were no boundaries- not even in obedience to God.
I cannot see how obedience to an invisible sinister sky monster who threatens all of us with living death is a worthwhile replacement for a tyrannical parent.
@@rf7477 How is God evil if He became man to die in your place so you wouldnt end up in hell for the sins you willingly committed? And what is living death exactly?
@@emmam8320 Firstly, I do not have to account for my sins to the amoral "christian" god who seems to hold an eternal grudge against his own children. In fact, according to ugly "christian" theology, my fate was sealed before I was born. Apparently god already knows, in advance, everything about me, including what I think.
The sinister "christian" god prepared a special place of horrible eternal torture for people who commit the 'crime' of dissent. That is, "christianity" is a foul and dark dichotomy: repent or die. A reward for the 'chosen' few of translucent infinite bliss or nasty eternal hellish living death. The evil "christian" god won't let anyone die. jesus did not die in my place because jesus cannot die and god knew this in advance. This why normal people cannot trust religion.
@@rf7477 Why are you here? Do you think your snarky comment is going to make me go, "Oh yeah, I never thought of that!" Don't waste your time.
@@theynot4u You aren't capable of change. You haven't got the courage.
When I was 22 I was living with my Aunt, and I put a Jesus poster in my bedroom window. She told me to take it out or leave. So I took it out, and I went to live with other christians. She was shocked by my reaction.
Good move Paul! How old are you now and is your aunt a Christian yet?
@@Bodypiercingsavedmylife I am 72 now. My aunt died a number of years ago. She was attending church in her last few years. I don't know if she had given her life to the Lord.
THANK YOU for not waffling on this and just state it boldly! This is also the attitude all churches should've had in 2020. Instead, most of us caved. I will never stop being ashamed of that.
I feel this! I’m forever regretful I allowed the government to stop church family meeting. Never again
To be clear, Mike was not talking about the Covid lockdowns here, and has said elsewhere that that was a nuanced issue where one could not simply declare everyone must go to in person service in defiance of stay at home orders.
Lol. Sad thing is he said obey the government during that. He's just very scared of women and cancelation.
He's getting bad about trying to say what's keeping him popular. He used to be bold. Now he's just waffling with the wind.
@@geef0813 Yeah, no, he's not. He's just nuanced. If he wanted to be popular, he wouldn't be doubling down on complementarianism.
@@geef0813 I think he's naive about government and politics so he doesn't quite understand the implications of going along to get along when it comes to corona restrictions and other government dictates
This is a hard thing for me. My husband just told me not to go to the church nearby we attended once to "try out" because I saw someone there whom had sinned against us (whom I also sinned against and have been thinking of seeing church discipline for us even though I'm not a member so that's a whole other problem idk how to handle). I want to go to church, I can feel my need for it, but I don't know how to handle so many things and going alone makes me so nervous, even among a welcoming people. Being unequally yoked is so hard. I often don't know when to seek godly counsel because I don't want to be selfish or a gossip and I just get so discouraged for not being able to handle things on my own like an adult.
Praying for you. Remember your allegiance is first to the Lord and then to your husband. God will give you strength and confidence and peace if you are seeking his will. ❤️
When i was really struggling with my husband. I found a very strong Christian woman from my church who was a few years older than me. She meets with me monthly and helps me work through my problems with my husband from a biblical perspective, we also encourage each in other in bible study and memorization of scripture. Sometimes we need another believer to come along side us and either encourage or call out unhealthy behavior. In this relationship I don't see it as gossip if I am truly seeking a solution to the problems i can't figure out on my own (it is also a practice that we are told to do as women in the new Testament). We keep our conversations private so my husband doesn't feel like im spreading gossip about him. I will be praying that God gives you the courage to go to church (even if it is by yourself) and that he sends you a strong christian lady to come alongside you to be your friend and mentor.
In regards to your issue with this other believer whom you seem to have some kind of unresolved issues with, there's no need to bring that church into it (most likely). I'm assuming you know that person enough to get into contact with them and you can resolve things between yourselves like adults and fellow believers. The only reason there would need to be any kind of discipline would be if this other person isn't repentant for what wrong they've done, in which case since you aren't church members together you might find success with a mutual friend who is also a believer? God bless you with everything you are dealing with :)
Find another church.
@@mruziicak Really. There have to be others in that city where you don't have bad history with the members.
I love Mike Winger. Another video that gives a balanced perspective. Submission truly is about the heart, not just the actions. If a wife has the right heart, even when she can't submit, she will have an attitude that is respectful to her husband.
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One key thing here is also knowing who you are marrying to avoid (to a degree) potential situations such as the one Mike answers here, because if your future spouse claims to be a Christian and you see that person at Church regularly, i don't think (from personal experience) that is sufficient evidence of that someone actually knowing what they're getting into in getting married. Does that other person read their Bible regularly? Do they have a prayer life? do they have (un)forgiveness issues? Does that other person know that GOD is the most important person in marriage? Does that other person understand that fairness isn't a constant in marriage? Does that other person aknowledge that the Bible is the Word of GOD, and infallible in it's claims? And of course, these same questions need to be addressed to ourselves. Jesus has to be the hero in this partnership... and 'divorce' a swearword to be avoided.
@@OshayDukeJackson_ no, here's what i will do: report you for impersonating someone else's account.
If my husband ever orders me to stop going to church, he'll get the same treatment as my ex-boyfriend: i'll tell him to pound sand (lovingly, of course, but with definite firmness). Now, if he we have a gentle discussion and he tells me why he thinks I should stop, I'll kindly tell him why I will keep attending.
I wrestled with this one for years.
Our old medieval churches in Northern Europe are empty now on Sundays and I perceived them as - not only physically empty - but also spiritually empty, if not downright dead - no love left for Jesus Christ after 1000 years of Christianity - 20th century German scholarship having almost completely ruined our trust in the New Testament - to this day, I'm afraid.
My wife attended church and I couldn't for the mentioned reasons.
CS Lewis sort of convinced me I had to go; it's tolerable, I suppose, but real joy and fellowship with other Christians is - to a large extent - limited to interactions with believers here on you tube - we've even got regular invitations to the Lord's table! Just an incredible amount of channels, among them Mike's, devoted to Jesus Christ.
Had it not been for them, I would have been one lonely Christian, but - loneliness is okay; it's nothing - not even worth mentioning - as my firm belief is Jesus Christ is alive. You just plug in to that spirit of truth He arranged for, and - He's all ears. To the glory of God the Father.
Kind regards Kim
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Thus is one where the Biblical command is “We ought to obey God rather than man!” Acts 5:29.
God tells wives to submit to their husbands.
Exactly. This is about obedience to God. Submission is about obedience to God as well. Men don’t deserve for women to submit to them. Women submit because it is a command of God. God also commands that we fellowship with others. We are sheep in a flock. This poor woman needs to be a part of a church where she can be edified and strengthened especially since her husband is not obeying God in discipling her and leading spiritually. I still can’t understand what kind of man stops his wife from going to church. It’s doesn’t make sense. Wish we had more context.
@@alstroemeria227again4 yes. It also tells us to “Obey those in authority” in Romans 13:1. The Sanhedrin *were* in authority over the Jews, yet had the disciples obeyed they they would be *disobeying* GOD’s (the ULTIMATE authority’s) instructions to “Go into all the world and make disciples.” (Matt. 28:19-20). The disciples-and every other martyr and persecuted Christian in the Bible-respond to this my continuing to OBEY God and DISOBEY those in opposition REGARDLESS of their *human* authority. Simple put, when God says, Forsake not the assembling of yourselves together.” (Heb. 10:25) and your husband says “I want you to do so!” guess which command OVERRIDES!
@@alstroemeria227again4 sounds to me like an unbeliever or a “nominal” believer who needs to be brought into obedience.
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Hey brother mike I just wanna let you know I am a believer in Jesus Christ I have been saved for 6 years now I’m 26 and I love talking about his word . you have helped me so much on your teaching about what JW believe and have helped me minster to already two JW and they are seeing that it is a false teachings and keeping them from the truth of the one true Christ. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and understanding of the word. Thank you for helping us think biblical . God bless you brother mike. 🙏🏽
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My husband doesn’t believe but is a great supporter, and even gives me a lift if I’m not up to driving, and came to the church social, but he’s no closer after 10 hrs. He’s just happy I’ve found MY way and he’s happy with his (zen)
Church gatherings do not have to be Sunday. I think you do all you can to reasonably submit to the request. But you do not forsake the gathering with the brethren. If you can meet with other believers on another day, do that. But if the request is that you just don’t fellowship, yes you need to rebel against that.
Yeah, well I just went anyway. I was accused of trying to find men at church. The more I became involved, the worse it got. I had people from the church come check on me, which made matters worse.
I now pray in my lonely closet. It is my peace.
Sounds like you’re in a dangerous situation. That’s a big red flag. It might be worth seeing if he’d allow you to go to a women’s only Bible study. If he still says no then he’s isolating you and that’s a high risk a turning into physical abuse. It may also be possible to find a local church with a Facebook page/group where you could start to build relationships in case there comes a time when you need help getting out of that situation. Please work on building support and a safety plan in case things get worse.
You have a much bigger problem than going to church. You both should go to marriage counseling.
@@selahr. This has gone on throughout our 25 yr marriage. He will not allow me to go to church and he will not go.
He has said directly to my face that He Is God in this family and that is that.
I prayed in peace, with my daughter, silently, so there were no outbursts and did my very best to provide her with an education on Jesus and His story.
When we first met, he knew I was a believer. He was told in no uncertain terms. Church after marriage became such a struggle because of the tensions, I could not continue without creating havoc in the household.
I believe in my heart of hearts I am forgiven for the weakness I have shown. Certainly have begged for it knowing if submission meant I had done damage to my child. This is a lot more complicated than people think.
@@angelakaywilliams God won’t hold it against you. There’s a lot of Believers who can’t go to church for various reasons. What matters most to God is your personal relationship with Him. Just like there’s plenty of church goers who don’t believe… God will judge them as non-Believers… they won’t get extra credit for warming the pews.
I am sorry he put you and your daughter in that position. There’s no excuse for that behavior. It’s not normal. Be safe and I’ll definitely be sending prayers your way. I hope your daughter knows your love and courage in teaching her anyway and that she is able to build a strong faith and church family in her life in her future. That took a lot of guts on your part.
I think it depends on the situation. In one scenario a church may be supportive of the people who attend and be a very loving church. However in a different situation there could be a toxic environment in a particular church.
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Of course the person should go to a good church- why would someone deliberately go to a toxic church? I hate using that word- it’s sooooooo overused
@@flowerpower3618 There are cults that people go to and are very unhealthy. Most churches I think are not like this.
Most churches today are devilish. In the new earth, we shall eat from the tree of life and worship God in his new moons and his sabbaths. Revelation 22:14, Colossians 2:16, Isaiah 66:22,23. After being circumcised in the heart, males must be circumcised in the flesh to enter the sanctuary of the Lord Jesus. Ezekiel 44:9. You must be circumcised after the manner of the Lord Jesus to be saved. As you read the law of Moses every sabbath day, you would learn more and obey if you have turned to God. Acts 15:21. It is a sin: to not get circumcised in the flesh as a male, to wear mixed clothing, to eat pork, shellfish and other abominations. Animal sacrifices and stoning sinners is the law of death that was done away with. No more eye for eye, etc. Judge Jesus will cast many false Christians into the lake of fire. Matthew 7:21-23.
I would add it's just as important how you go about going anyway, as it is that you go anyway. In other words, don't say screw you, I'm obeying God rather than you. Just Do it it in gentleness and love. This should go without saying, but I could see huge fights going down and it's important to guard your heart and walk in love.
“Go anyway” - amen, brother!!
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When I was a new believer it became progressively obvious that I had to make a choice. Fellowship or fall away …
I've been with an old online ministry Bible ministry for years now . The Holy Spirit led. to it . Good sound doctrine !
You won't believe what's out there in these
" NORMAL " RELIGIOUS GROUPS " I visited . I went to a small Baptist church locally where the minister literally STOPPED the congregation in worship of a psalm because they were not praising and emphasizing loud enough for the song as he had interpreted it for them because he was the one
" Educated " in the psalms . He had them repeat their praises and worship time as he had wanted and it was a mess . They became quiet , No hands raised , no glory given to GOD , no was kneeling anymore , or o bended knee because PREACHER wanted all eyes on HIM . IT continued when He dismissed the Smiling Children's Choir Instructor and began His Instructions Louder to the Children . Crying and Frightened little and Large left their stations and ran to Their Parents for Shelter . I could not believe what I was Watching all over Again ! The Music The Music Teacher with his degree ,and a great LOVE FOR CHRIST had 14 children on stage , all smiles , excited about JESUS , then dashed by the single act of the minister of just 1 year who was determined to" Turn things Around " in the Church " !
His presence had lost more than 50% of the congregation and he thought that was okay to weed out the " old nonbelievers " . He quoted scripture each time I would ask a questions . I LOVE JESUS . I can't remember when , where . how or why .
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this was my last church to visit . I would love to have a BIBLE STUDY in My Home .( tiny but, welcoming .) but to be able to do this I must have a " church " .
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Most churches have something Wednesday nights, perhaps thats also an option for those whose husbands want Sunday mornings together.
@@ekujj13 actually it’s not about the day. The sabbath is on Saturday that didn’t change. , but we as Christians chose to gather on Sunday for worship and study and fellowship. The Bible says forsake not the gathering together . So perhaps Sunday night , or Wednesday would work.
Christ broke the rules of the Sabbath. Likewise, so did the disciples as they preached the word of God on the Sabbath.
That’s what’s weird about the situation for me. Won’t this man even compromise with his wife? Where is the love?
"What do I do? My husband demands I DO go to church"
Wow sounds like he not the right husband for her .
If you're married, it's too late. You're stuck for life unless there's adultery or the unbeliever leaves. I'm sorry for people who were already married as unbelievers and one becomes a Christian. It must be so hard. But I have zero patience for people who call themselves Christians and CHOOSE to date / marry an unbeliever, against Scripture. It's sad, but you knew better. Now you have to deal with the consequences. That's why it's so important to tell young people who claim to be Christians to not even date unbelievers! What on earth do you have in common with them anyway? They hate Christ!
@@Yesica1993 Agreed! Parents must so carefully guide their children to try and avoid these circumstances. But there are so many other issues in these comments and in the vid than going to church. Even if one spouse is a believer and the other is not, there is no cause for bitterness, anger, jealousy, or hiding. Such a marriage has so many issues outside of the issue of Church.
It makes a difference. I have problems/questions. Vids help, but sometimes, I need a more mature Christian to get the crazy outta my head. ❤
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Don’t let your husband control you . God is in charge all the time . Remember God is in total control from beginning to end. Maybe 🤔 your husband should go to church and find out what it is all about .. Amen 🙏🏻
It says the head of every wife is her husband and the head of him is Christ it’s not controlling well in some cases if it’s biblically accurate and with what God would want if your husband says something that is supported by what God wants as a believer you shouldn’t argue same way if a wife says something a husband shouldn’t argue if it aligns with what God says
Part of submitting to God is submitting to your husband. God has an order we must follow.
@@djaniekotey2459 How is the woman submitting to her husband if she is the one deciding on whether or not the husband's direction is godly?
@@laurenalmeyda6916 If your husband goes against God, go against your husband. God is the ultimate authority.
@@bigboineptune9567 This is not an issue of wickedness or unrighteousness... though I love how so many immediately take it to that argument. The Christian wife may so well save her unbelieving husband through her faith if he stays with her (1 Cor 7). Likewise, God's love which is made perfect in her would also be made perfect in him and the sin in her that cannot continue will not continue in him (1 John 2). Therefore, the issues within a marriage of believer and unbeliever is not about salvation or fellowship but rather about the marriage. If the Christian wife follows God's order then the unbelieving husband will have no choice but to leave or believe. For God's righteousness will not coexist with wickedness.
My husband was going prior to covid. Now he watches online. I like being with him.and doing communion and discussing the sermon but I need fellowship with others too. He doesn't say I can't go but he doesn't want to be in person anymore.
You need to just go alone. If you’ve got kids, take them with you. He’ll come around. But don’t pressure him to go with you. Just get dressed and then tell him you are going to church. Don’t even ask him to come along.
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Our bible study has a man interested who's wife won't let him go. We are working on getting him in without ruining his marriage.
There was a man in my previous church who had that problem. The problem was solved when he started getting the kids up early and dressed to go with him and she got to stay home in a quiet house. 😂 Eventually, she started coming because the kids kept asking why she didn’t join them at church.
@@alstroemeria227again4 problem solved 🤣👏🏽
What about when the government told Christians they were not allowed to gather? Was this the same advice? Just curious.
We failed by allowing them to do this. It must never happen again
@@rich1147 how did we fail? Did you stop meeting with believers in your home?
@@rich1147 I agree 💯 but I'm not sure many pastors saw it that way. If a wife shouldn't submit to her husband on this then how could you possibly suggest she should submit to some politician that was not following the US constitution. We have a first amendment right to the free exercise of religion. The supreme law is clear. How do you explain away the pastors that submitted on this issue other than they failed to stand for Christ? Not trying to be harsh. I'm willing to be corrected.
@@brandonvonbo9708 Yes and I regret that
@@rich1147 my point is, it’s not a sin to not go sit in a pew once a week on Sunday, but we are rather called to not forsake meeting with other believers, but this can be done from home and not a “church” building. The church is wherever believers are gathered.
Thank you. That was wise.
Queen Esther was married to a literal king. He was both her husband *and* her political leader, *but* she respectfully exercised civil disobedience when he passed a law that would have annihilated her people. She did not say, "Oh, he's my husband and my king, so therefore I must submit to him and allow him to kill people, including children." That would have been a sin. So, she went against the law regarding appearing before the king without permission, risking her own life to follow God and protect innocent people. Even so, she did it in a respect way. She did not berate the king, insult him, demean him, etc.. She showed proper honor to his position of authority without blindly obeying his authority over God's.
There is not a command to go to a service on Sunday. There's a command to fellowship, which is possible outside of a Sunday service. The command to submit to one another is more direct and clear.
Where is the command to fellowship? And the command of submissions is her to him, not him to her.
@@mruziicak Hebrews 10:24-25 instructs us to fellowship, and yes of course the wife is commanded to submit to her husband but also generally all believers are told to submit one to another ( 1Peter 5:5)
How else is she going to fellowship? The problem here is with the controlling man. Why would he stop her from going? It’s crazy to me.
@@alstroemeria227again4 Fellowship can happen anytime or anywhere two or three are gathered in His name. We were not given details about the situation and why he asks her not to go, so it isn't really right to assume he's being controlling. Maybe he is protecting her from bad doctrine, or maybe that's the only time they have to spend together. We don't know.
@@marythomas1127 The lady on stage said she it sounds like the woman has an unbelieving husband. So that is what I am going with. If that husband doesn’t want her in church, why would he let her meet in a small group? Something is wrong with this man
She says in the beginning of video “unbelieving husband”. Just b/c a husband doesn’t go to church does not make him a unbeliever
Forsaking the assembling together is something we are called to do. He may be a believer but he is being disobedient which makes him ripe for discipline from God. Best to warn him of this as a fellow Christian.
I wrestled with this one for years.
Our old medieval churches in Northern Europe are empty now on Sundays and I perceived them as - not only physically empty - but also spiritually empty, if not downright dead - no love left for Jesus Christ after 1000 years of Christianity - 20th century German scholarship having almost completely ruined our trust in the New Testament - to this day, I'm afraid.
My wife attended church and I couldn't for the mentioned reasons.
CS Lewis sort of convinced me I had to go; it's tolerable, I suppose, but real joy and fellowship with other Christians is - to a large extent - limited to interactions with believers here on you tube - we've even got regular invitations to the Lord's table! Just an incredible amount of channels, among them Mike's, devoted to Jesus Christ.
Had it not been for them, I would have been one lonely Christian, but - loneliness is okay; it's nothing - not even worth mentioning - as my firm belief is Jesus Christ is alive. You just plug in to that spirit of truth He arranged for, and - He's all ears. To the glory of God the Father.
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@@kimjensen8207 sounds like a lot of dead churches just going through the motions for traditions sake. The joy of the Lord is our strength, being around others who are excited about Christ and trust in his word is a wonderful thing to be a part of. Praying for that for you. Are there any home churches where you live?
@@becklyn3 ... Christianity - throughout the West, I suppose - has become a marginal phenomenon; to actually bump into a fellow Christian - truth and spirit, is rare here and to merely fill a 'home' is difficult.
I've been a Christian for 4 years - came to the Lord at 48, and I've never met a brother or a sister in these 4 years; CS Lewis predicted this state of reality already in the 50ies, but - to see it actually play out is extremely saddening.
Lord almighty, Jesus Christ stay with us!
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@@kimjensen8207 I am so sad to here that. Here in the states it is much different, especially in the midwest. Our God is a big God, nothing is to hard for him and I will specifically pray that God would send you someone who loves Christ as much as you do so you will not be alone in your walk. God knows that we need one another to build one another up.
I was told by a Christian counselor to obey my husband. I asked what he meant specifically regarding obeying my husband. He told me to ask my pastor. I told him that if I obeyed my husband I wouldn’t have a pastor because I wasn’t allowed to go to church. That seemed to anger him.
My husband is a lukewarm Christian. He thinks it's a waste of time for me to spend 4 hours in church every Saturday (it's Messianic). I really meet God there. He complains every week about me then spends many hours in bars listening to rock live music.
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This is one reason why churches should have gatherings at many different times, not just at the usual times when everyone is off from work.
Amen. I can hardly find any evening services, beyond 7th day Adventist which I will not go to.
Unfortunately, in my case, the time of day had nothing to do with it.
Disagree. Churches should accommodate the members of the congregation and not be so seeker sensitive.
Most have some sort of Bible study mid week or small groups which are also an option if Sunday mornings aren’t feasible.
@@josephinenelan4204 I think most of the 7th day Adventist meet on Saturdays and follow the Saturday sabbath rest and a lot of the dietary laws. The 7th days I know are all very health and food conscious and still agree on the same essential core beliefs as my non-denominational.
Added into this topic is 1Cor 7:11. This gives both license and limit. "But if she depart, let her remain unmarried. He may think twice when she starts packing her bags instead of packing her bag for church. No one is to be taking abuse, it much more often comes from man to woman and so this is directed at the female, but it's one that men should be cognizant of and follow also.
and hopefully if she goes to church, she doesn't get beaten when she gets home.
Hebrews~ And it is requirement to be in fellowship of believers but not a commandment!
What is the background of the church? Could God not use the unbelieving husband to protect wife from danger; more background is needed.
When your believing husband doesn't want you to go to church, you know you have problems. Except if that's you and you are so manipulated that you don't know you have problems... be warned. Find a trusted friend to talk to...if he hasn't manipulated you away from all of them too!
Unless your believing husband is trying to protect you from manipulative people in a particular church.
@@mrw1208 then he would go with you to a different church
@@ProfYaffle Or he would meet with other Christians like the Bible says to do for prayer and Bible reading and worship, which could include meeting them in a house, a park, a coffee shop, etc. If you know Jesus you literally ARE the Church. You're only commanded to continue meeting together, not go looking for a 501(c)(3) corporation that calls itself a "church." I'm just being biblical.
@@mrw1208 when I said he doesn't want to go to church, that includes meeting up with other Christians because people are the church. Not the building
Are you this manipulative, controlling husband? Is that why you are making excuses for him?
@@ProfYaffle It is fitting that you are a professor. You have quite the quick mind. I am in fact the very manipulative, controlling husband referenced in the video. You got me!
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Hmm, I have absolutely heard multiple pastors say you stay home, especially if your husband works a lot and has limited time at home--to instead find other ways for fellowship, but you can better show love ministering to your husband instead of not spending time. Not to ignore fellowship, but find other ways.
Interesting. This is a new perspective to me.
Those pastors are sinning by encouraging a wife to sin. We should never give up church on the Lord’s day for anyone. We are commanded to go and by not going it is a sin.
It's sad that this is a new perspective. It's the biblical one! Scripture is not fuzzy on this. If someone is telling you to do something against God's Word, you obey God, not that person.
@@Yesica1993 You can't ignore one scripture for another. When do you think a wife should submit to her husband? When she decides he's acting biblically? How is that submission?
@@Yesica1993 1:10 as I said, the pastors I'm referring to still encouraged gathering, but through alternate means/times and I am seeing no direct verses against that teaching. If you have verses Mike Winger does that have, I will happily read.
@@savedbygrace7982 I'm not convinced it is automatically sinning, with no clear verses for Sunday morning church service. Gathering and communion and fellowship, yes. Sunday morning church service, I don't know.
Your answer creates a definitive hierarchy. Church attendance is more important than submission?.... does that mean church attendance is more important than a husband command to sacrifice and love his wife?
Obedience to God is paramount. The husband is not a middleman that you have to obey in order to obey God, even if the husband disobeys God. If God clearly contradicts your husband, pick God. If you do not hate your father, mother or relatives for Jesus's sake, you are not worthy of Him.
@@samueltomjoseph4775 church attendance is not synonymous with obeying God. it is not required for salvation or even for a personal christ centered life. my comment is only to point out that Mike is prioritizing church attendance over submission,... which I am not necessarily disagreeing with. I'm just noticing that the resolution between conflicting biblical teachings has a hierarchy. Submission falls below church attendance for Mike.
edit: originally had the speakers name as 'Mark'. editted to correct name to 'Mike'
Agreed. Mike's answer is just poorly thought out. There's so much nuance in the question that his off-the-cuff answer is almost reckless. I'd argue it's better for her NOT go to church but continue to learn and talk with her husband, to the end. God's ordained roles for the husband and wife are not altered depending on their acceptance. If it's an abusive situation, then it's a different scenario altogether.
@@davechase3838 A husband who remains home and tells his wife to join him on Sunday is violating God's order, which requires we stay connected to the wider body of Christ. There is no necessity for the wife to join in that sin, whether the husband is a believer or not.
What do you think of Achan's wife? If only she ratted out her husband, wouldn't she and her kids have gotten away and only Achan got stoned? Or Sapphira? the wife listening to the husband to stay home demonstrates that the husband matters more than God. Period! Why provoke God to jealousy?
IF you really think submission is higher on the priority by some arbitrary whim, you are going to get nowhere with God. It just shows how much such people desire to be god in someone else's eyes - the wife- and that not even God can stop a man from forcing his wife to sin.
Do you accept that one must hate their father, mother, brothers, and the like for Jesus sake? See, what really matters? A contingent relationship that dissolves on death or an eternal relationship with God?
Of course, talk to the husband with all respect, but respectful disagreement exists.
Go to church and invite him
Just remember that you follow any authority as they are following God. I don't need to submit to every believer, nor do I give them a rubber stamp. I let you influence me & you do that to me also.
Of course, if someone needs correction, I guess you must. Of course, you should tend to your own plank first. Of course, you should correct gently. Of course, every believer knows these things, so there is that. Of course, even the Devil knows scripture. Of course, Of course, Of course...
Simple commands are not so simple it seems. Not every church follows God & not everyone claiming Christ is right. I would hope all sinners are at church every Sunday. We should aspire to that kind of environment.
Good points here.
Go anyway.
Also consider your safety. If going to church puts you and your children at risk for abuse/assault be discerning. There are women's ministries you can be involved with too that may be a safer option
Wow this seems like a bigger issue. If anything can upset your spouse to physically endanger you or your children please do not stay. Trying to please an abuser is absurd. Get help please 🥺🙏🏽
First of all, the Bible does not give men dominion over women. It does not give husbands dominion over wives.
So you can say "I appreciate your opinion" and go to church.
The Bible clearly states the husband is head of the wife, from beginning to end. Don't use Church as an excuse to usurp God's Word.
If one believes and one does not; AND there is no trust or love AND there is jealousy and bitterness, then the marriage has bigger issues than "going to church".
@@mruziicak Jesus washed his disciples' feet. He served them. The Bible does not say abusive husbands go to heaven. The Bible says to submit to one another. Husbands are not given any exceptions
@@bkucenski Scripture does not say "submit to one another" it says "Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord". You are muddling two separate topics: 1) abusive spouse, and 2) wives and husbands roles.
@@mruziicak Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. - Ephesians 5:21
Judgement day is going to be a rough day for you if you don't repent.
Husbands who claim dominion over their wives will not find their names in the book of life. They will find their names in the court records when they're divorced for actual Godly men who love their wives and respect them.
@@bkucenski The Bible very clearly and explicitly says for the wife to submit to the husband. Not submit to each other. I know that is hard for some to swallow in 2022 but that is what it says. Where that leaves the question of the video is still open but let's not make stuff up.
You leave him. Don't let that man/women take you to hell
Hmmm I don’t think I have ever dealt with this type of situation. When we turn from God or put something else up we should recenter on God.
Speed limits are convicting for me, and it's hard to follow. It's also hard because I think it's wrong for us to joke about it since it's something that, based on the Bible, I think we should follow. Not saying I'm not a hypocrite in this area because I totally am.
do you have somewhere you need to be or do you have a lead prosthetic foot that's hard to lift
@@AR15andGOD I wonder if that's how Jesus would have said it to me.
Unfortunately, these days there are so many possibilities that could occur and recur where the God given roles conferred on men and women won't necessarily align with the natural status God has given each partner (i.e., male head and breadwinner, female support and domestic) - and the choice won't be as easy as 'what would God say' I;ll just go with that. In many cases, it will present a real dilemma where there is no easy answer.
1. Male wants his wife to work outside the home, even insists on it if two incomes are essential to buy the house (even a modest one). Does she insist on staying home, after they sell up and move to a smaller house or rental, or does she submit to his wishes. Both are right and wrong.
2. Wife actually wants to be in a career and husband doesn't mind and is even encouraging and supportive - he doesn't want a Stepford wife who can talk about nothing else except the price of milk on his return from work. They can afford help on their salaries too, so why should she clean and cook? He feels that the best way to express his deep love for his bride is to give her the space she needs to fulfil herself outside the home, even if that means picking up a takeaway for dinner occasionally.
That's two examples right off the bat.
That's why it is better for every couple to just arrange their marriage unique to their circumstances. As long as they love God and love each other, I fail to see why it is anyone else's business what they do or h ow they arrange their marriage. The only commandment that matters - that fulfills the law - is that we love one another. Anything else smacks of social engineering. Unfortunately, complementarian marriages - even when desired by both partners - are aspirational and out of reach to many couples today, and that is out of necessity to pay the rent or mortgage, not greed or else to enter into a secular unbiblical lifestyle that goes well beyond what the bible expects of simple Christian living.
Obey Acts 2:38 KJV
See if he’ll give up some Sunday mornings. If not, find a Friday of Wednesday service. If he still says no then it’s not about the weekend time it’s about controlling you or fearing how you’ll change if you become more “religious.” Unless you know he has a really bad history with religion like abuse in church this is a red flag. If he won’t go to counseling to discuss it you need to seriously explore if you’re safe to stay in that relationship. I understand spouses who don’t want to go, but it’s different when they don’t want you to go either. At best that’s toxic, at worst it’s a part of an abusive spouse being controlling and isolating you.
IF the woman was converted AFTER marriage, then it's hard for her, but if she was a Christian who married a non Christian then that's being disobedient to God's word.
Sadly these last 2-1/2 years have shown that most churches aren’t worth going to, and are even detrimental to growing in unity as husband/wife and drawing nearer to Christ. Perhaps a wise, well-informed husband is protecting his wife, their relationship, and their unity in Christ by discouraging her from attending church. My family was free from peer pressure to submit to particular medical experimentation precisely because I was blessed to see the warning signs of worldly churches, and kept my family from attending them.
I'm sure there's a handful of people around you. There always is.
From a secular pov, it depends on the person's safety and resources should she face abandonment or abuse for gng to church. If not, she should go, not because to serve God, but because it's healthy and necessary for ppl to be around others. Not because God said so but because we r social animals and need comradierie and if church is ur comraaderie then u need that.
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Obedience to God is paramount. The husband is not a middleman that you have to obey in order to obey God, even if the husband disobeys God. If God clearly contradicts your husband, pick God. If you do not hate your father, mother or relatives for Jesus's sake, you are not worthy of Him. Jesus comes before your husband, whether in America or in Iran.
When does a husband have to love their wives?
@@marclaclear6628 there is no wrong human being to love. But there is a wrong human being to submit to. If any human being thinks he has the right to override God's instructions for basic spiritual health, he will be liable to chastisement so that he will learn not to question God.
@@samueltomjoseph4775 How is it submission if the wife decides when the husband is right?
@@marclaclear6628 Decide? Nothing to discuss here, obey God and gather together as often as you can. The only decision here is that God's command is superior to the husband's
@@samueltomjoseph4775 In what way is the husband the head of the wife?
“Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Philippians 2:4-11 ESV
Let us not look at others to see what they can do for us, but rather look at ourselves to see what we can do for others. Jesus was not only our perfect sacrifice but our perfect example. So let’s follow His example of humble servitude giving glory to God. CS Lewis said, “true humility is not thinking less of yourself but thinking of yourself less.” Hopefully this encouraged and motivated you today. God bless you!
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Stop going to church, instead have church at your home. 😏
Is the lady Lisa from women’s Bible study? I have listened to at least 60 episodes of her show. I recognize her voice.
You do not have to go to a church building to assemble with other believers
I am a believer and I don’t go to church. Not that I haven’t tried to seek one out. When my husband was alive. He recently passed.😢 I have 3 adult children with disabilities soooo I am home.
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If your SO doesn’t respect your religion they don’t respect you
Debunking catholicism
I'm more blessed than mary
Proof = Luke 11:27-28
27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”
28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen
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CHRIST alone
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus
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Work of God =
John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
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1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach
Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul.
Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop
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Jesus said Matthew 23:9
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father.
Sad
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Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God
Use this to defeat the argument.
Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Matthew 12:46-50
46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”.
Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”
John 19:26-27
26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards).
By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26.
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We should not pray to apostles
Romans 1:25
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Acts 10:25-26
25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”
Acts 14:15
15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them,
Revelation 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Revelation 22:8-9
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
Colossians 2:18
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Hebrews 7:25
25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles
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There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
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Apostles are allowed to marry,
1 Corinthians 9:1-5
1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry?
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The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic).
1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple
2)He sank down while walking on water
3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan
4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times
5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven
6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear
7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles.
8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land),
9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit),
10)King Soloman messed up,
11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11).
Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up)
12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up.
13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20
14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9
If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up.
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Galatians 4:21-26
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Sarah is mother of all, Not mary.
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Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics.
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Also, if the apostles didn't wrote it, I don't want it.
So what do you do when you're the man, and she won't submit and attend church with you?
my dad won't let me and my mom go to church EVER he says we can but if we do theres consequences like being verbally abused or he gets mad and starts throwing things or worse comes to worse he kills me and my mom not like i'd care
I'm very sorry for your situation. Do you have Christian friends that you can hang out with? Maybe a Bible study in someone's home? Those are potential compromises. It sounds like your parents need serious marriage counseling, but you can't control them. I'll pray for you.
Mike doesn’t the church that you attend, help host the realm of shadows, haunted house every year for Halloween?
An argument can be made that Christians are to respect the laws of the land. Our laws protect the freedom of worship and that no one owns another person. The Bible also says woman obey your husband but also a person shouldn't be cruel and inhumane. I don't believe women should obey sinful demands of their husband. We are warned not to be unequally yoked. Best advice is to take the issue in prayer to God and asked others to do so on your behalf. Prayers is very important and God tells us to bring our troubles to Him and He will hear. My father did this to my brother and I at times. He was often not a nice person got some strange satisfaction being a jerk, especially when he was drinking. You can love someone and not like them at the same time. Anyway, have faith in God's promise to hear the voice of His people and that He will intercede for them. This woman's problem with her husband is difficult for me because it makes me angry and there's nothing wrong with being angry. It's how we behave when we're angry. The human condition will always be difficult to cope with. I help when I feel lead to do so but keep my distance most of the time. I hope for the best for this woman. .
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Pastor mike, could you do a video on the differences of orthodox Christians and Protestants? I used to be Catholic and fell from faith, I was hoping too become one of these two
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So Mike a follow up question I have is what about the child who isn't allowed to go to Youth Group or Church. Should they still go anyway? Because I kind of always though the child has the proper rebellion for the authority in their in that moment.
Im not sure what the correct answer is, but when i was hospitalized my children snuck out Sunday morning and walked to church when my husband refused to let them go or take them (he hated God). Police found them crossing a bridge and was so touched he just gave them a ride to church instead of taking them home and informing thier dad. I was informed later and you can believe i was one proud mother!
My husband finally ran off with his best friends wife and i was granted peace. My children, now grown, are having troubles due to thier past, but i pray every day there is a seed growing inside them and they will return to the church. My grandmother promised they would and quoted this verse:
Proverbs 22:6 “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.”
The Temple of God is within you, its not a building with 4 walls. You are a walking Temple. If shes born again , baptized She can pray and worship from home , there are also worship services online.
I mean there are a couple types of submission where the text literally says "in everything." Was one of those a wife to her husband? Is it possible that God rates marital unity higher than church unity?
@Jesus Is Lord When should a wife listen to her husband? If it is when she agrees then she isn't under submission.
I think it’s weird that a husband would stop his wife from going to church. It’s very controlling. I think he is afraid of feeling guilty for not going. He’ll see her going and feel pressured to go. 😂 There should at least be a compromise. Every other week in the least.
Unlikely. 1 Corinthians 7 talks about this. You should not initiate divorce, but you should not give up the faith either, to the extent that if your unbelieving spouse wants a divorce because of it, you should consider it a valid divorce.
@@alstroemeria227again4 I suspect there is fear of losing his wife to a more religious man. From the non-believer's standpoint, religion is already a delusion, so if his wife hangs out with men propagating this delusion, he expects she will leave him for one of them. So, yes, controlling, but really a self-defense mechanism. I hope we all agree here that the real goal here is to win the husband to Christ. 1 Peter 3 suggests that submission is the best path to that.
Can a man say that we love our wives only when the woman is acting godly? If not then how can a wife say that I will submit only when I think you are acting godly?
Why do we need to go to places where we are being fed what we already believe why not places where we are challenged in what we believe with different thinking?
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I would disagree with Mike here because of this verse.
1 Peter 3: 1-6
"Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, 2 when they see your respectful and pure conduct. 3 Do not let your adorning be external-the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear- 4 but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. 5 For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, 6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. And you are her children, if you do good and do not fear anything that is frightening".
This was my way of handling the situation. I had a 6 yr. old daughter who I wanted to be in the enviornment of the church and know God.
He told us HE was God in the family and I did the best I could to teach my little one the love of God.
When there is so much animosity toward God with a child's earthly Father, it is a hard row to hoe.
We quietly discussed God and his will for us according to His word.
The quiet closet has been the way I could show her who God truly is.
I only hope I have done right by her. Every single day.
She is older now and seems to be doing great, but I will always wonder if my weakness will cause her to falter in her relationship with Our Heavenly Father.
Mike should clarify and elaborate on this issue. His answer is weak sauce.
What's your point? Sarah was obeying her Godly husband, who was following God's instructions. If anyone is telling you to disobey God, who are you going to listen to?
@@bbgun061 Re-read verse one again.
Mike, as this is recent I pray you see my request, when considering hair covering, please will you also look at length of hair? My long hair is not glorious, (sorry Lord)! It’s frizzy and I swoon with the heat of it round my neck, as I do when I’ve tried a head shawl. I don’t know how people manage, especially ladies of a certain age, with our hot flushes/flashes! I’ve been growing my hair while I await your views, in case I feel I agree with you if you’re saying to have long hair because the Lord likes it (Sproul did)so please do toss that into the mix.
God bless you, you must feel the wait of all this. Thank you
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The answer is simple: go to church anyway, and submit to your husband in other ways.
It would be strange if you’re saying “God over husband” for church, but not when obeying God in submit to your husband in other ways.
Go to church and also submit to your husband.
Church isn't God. You can serve God without going to church, and it's God who told wives to submit to their husbands.
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Irs hard to serve God and be married with someone who does not. …Alcohol is his God
I believe this is very harmful and wrongful advice and contrary to His word. I disagree with this completely Mike. My father for the longest time saw how much more effort my mom put into church and other people above her house trying to be goodie 2 shoes. And when none of it worked and he was getting more and more negative as a burden she was placing on him trying to out do him or how I’m sure he felt, she finally went to the pastor and elders and they told her that if he says he doesn’t want her to go then she should follow the words advice to submit to the head of the household like men are to do with Christ. Only after she stopped going and giving my dad full attention that I believe he deserved and the order that was instructed to us, only then did he see a change in her of an allegiance to him, the husband she married, that he finally started attending church again because now he felt like it was coming from him and not her trying to thwart his authority as the head of the household. So I completely disagree with this reasoning as it seems counter intuitive if women are to put Christ above their husbands and NOT the way we were commanded. Man submits to Christ. Woman submits to man. Period. I see nothing else that would show honor first in the order it was instructed. Everything else is man made and once again the worldly concept of woman empowerment and a form of rebellion against their husbands. That is not Godly. If it were my wife dishonoring me as such I would also not just be turned off but I could see it as a rebellious woman not caring to be lead by their husbands. As far as I’m concerned in that case , she can be her own Shepard because she obviously doesn’t need me. No thanks. Ungodly actions that easily can cause divorce all over and has. No thanks.
The question posed, had to do with a man who was not a christian.
Your account appears to be a man who had been a christian, but for some reason wasn't going to church.
In your hypothetical case, WHY would the man stop going to church? is he still 'submitting' to Christ?
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Hi, what you're saying is good but can you back it with the scriptures regarding husband refusing their wife to attend church. Because the scriptures is clear on the man being the head of his wife. So the wife disobeying and going to church automatically she's disobeying Christ. 1Peter 3:1
I believe Mike Winger is wrong this time. There is no command to go to church on Sundays however there is a command to be submissive to your husband. If you are not going to put God's word above the church what's the point of going anyway? It might be different if her husband was asking her to break the Sabbath but that is not the case unless she is a Sabbath keeper in which case she should still not go to church if her husband told her not to but she also shouldn't go out to eat breakfast and make other people work in that case.
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Hey Mike I’ve never left a comment before on your Chanel but I really got a burning question, I work for city government and I have many coworkers that are not Christians. The other day we had the mayors prayer breakfast and the room was full of Christian’s and had many local pastors speaking. The mayor and others read scripture and while I liked some of the ceremony my coworkers felt awkward and upset about the whole thing. One even saying “the people in this room lack empathy”. I didn’t know how to respond. I should say a part I did not like was one pastor got really political during his prayer and referenced issuers such as gay marriage and abortion as “war against marriage” and “murder of the unborn”. I agree with the point but I really really feel uncomfortable with the language and I can’t really defend what he says in the face of my coworkers. What do I do?
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I'm searching for a "God" that actually talks. All I ever find are hordes of people doing the talking for it.
This is going to cause divorces with entities who people know are real (the nonbelieving spouse) over entities who may or may not be real (Jesus, God, the Flying Spaghetti Monster). I guess to each his or her own.
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Getting a lot of mileage from this one conference.
Where was this bold attitude about going to church no matter what someone says during the pandemic?? You waffle so much lately it makes me crave Maple syrup
Taverns are just as holy has churches, temples, any where you are its just as holy dust. Imaginations the only God in all man, oldest creation starting all good then put to sleep GOD also created itself Eternal truth you still doubt hiding in your still looking outside conscience Eternal love is inside both good and evil, hell satan can't defeat it like you need it to, All stories have blinded actors' that became man, WHATS you and in you???????
You go to church and if your spouse divorces you, get remarried if you want sex. Not rocket science.
What if the spouse wants to go to a church where they preach prosperity gospel, you can do miracles type of church?
That's a false church. Might well have said "What if the spouse wants to go to a circus and believe in magic"
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Can anyone please expound on the video at 2:00? Thank you very much!
Maybe that it's OK to miss church on occasion.
You are not required to go to a physical building to believe.
@@weirdshort_YT thank you for the explanation. This is the first time that I am hearing about this. I used to go to a church that tells me to ALWAYS choose going to church on a sunday even if it is your parents' (unbelievers) birthday celebrations.
@@Spades3647 I think that some churches will push that and in a certain way use that to put certain "faithful " people on pedestals, usually the big givers. Not say that's your church, I'm just saying. I feel like if you can't make it you just cant make it, his camping analogy is a good one. But that doesn't mean you can't have your own devotional or attend a service somewhere close if you are out of town, or even a televised service. I will say that imho you should maintain your offerings to your church even if you can't make it though. God knows what's in your heart.
Wrong answer.
Just like the Hebrew brothers in Babylon as well.
They obeyed in everything obviously but will not on this one matter
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