Did Brassieres End the Corset?

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  • Опубликовано: 27 фев 2021
  • The 1910s is undoubtably one of the most volatile periods of fashion history- moving from classical columns to circle skirts to casual drapery in just ten years. And somehow the undergarments had to keep up! It's during this decade that brassieres became a standard part of Western womens wardrobes and the corset sees the beginning of a dramatic makeover.
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  • @smallishkae
    @smallishkae 3 года назад +264

    So the tired-old corset rhetoric we hear today is basically if someone in the future came across those ridiculous info-mercials and thought, “wow people in the early 21st century really had trouble cleaning...”.

  • @bobbiemooney2100
    @bobbiemooney2100 3 года назад +315

    My great aunt still was wearing her Edwardian corset until just before she died in 1949. I used to visit her when I was a child, and it was fascinating for me, because my mother wore the bra that was usual in the 40s and 50s, so I got an unasked for tutorial from my aunt about corsets were “better”, but that is another story.

    • @katherinemorelle7115
      @katherinemorelle7115 3 года назад +21

      I’d be inclined to agree with your aunt.

    • @pseudo.account
      @pseudo.account 3 года назад +51

      Why is that a story for another time??? Tell us now!! LOL. What did your aunt think was better about her edwardian style corsets? Did you inherit them when she passed?

    • @MioHasMoe
      @MioHasMoe 3 года назад +13

      I agree with your aunt. Corsets are so helpful for my bad posture pain lol!

    • @TheEudaimonya
      @TheEudaimonya 2 года назад +20

      Oh yeah, I love my corset! Great back support for when you're standing and leaning over to do stuff, like a long cooking project. It's also the most effective and comfortable shapewear I've ever worn. Spanx and related garments smooth me down but they also make my waist completely disappear, which I hate. And when my lower back tries to lock up on me I just wear my corset to give external support until the muscles relax. I've even slept in it. Those anti corset advertisers were full of it!

    • @eviebraud1307
      @eviebraud1307 2 года назад +1

      @@TheEudaimonya I'm glad you found a good corset that works for you I'm looking to get one too

  • @jaspersgrimoire
    @jaspersgrimoire 3 года назад +100

    The bra didn't kill the corset- Elastic did. They took the corset, made it elastic, and called it something else

    • @pseudo.account
      @pseudo.account 3 года назад +20

      Good point! Women weren't so much throwing off the oppressive yoke of corsets, as they were upgrading to a new technology!
      It's like when we went from using a house phone to a cell phone, lol.

    • @mastersnet18
      @mastersnet18 3 года назад +11

      Exactly, corsets turned into girdles

  • @leonie4696
    @leonie4696 3 года назад +145

    I had to smile when you said "bust supporter isn't really an attractive name" - because that is exactly what we call the bra in German. The German word for brassiere is "Büstenhalter", which translates as "bust holder" or bust supporter. We usually shorten it to BH, just as English-speaking people usually say 'bra'.

    • @idasvenning3892
      @idasvenning3892 3 года назад +23

      Yeah it’s the exact same in Swedish! The original word bysthållare (literally bust holder) is very rarely used nowadays, in favour of the short bh or the lengthened shortening (yes very necessary 😂) behå.

    • @Wisia02-02
      @Wisia02-02 3 года назад +10

      It is similar in Polish - "biustonosz" could be translate into hm. "bust carrier" or something like that, and it comes from German. We use word "stanik" too and it comes from word "stan" that means upper part of dress/torso, but this word changed its meaning through decades, with changes in woman fashion (upper part of dress > bodice (?) > corset > bra).

    • @TheGabygael
      @TheGabygael 2 года назад +2

      Ironically enough that's also how we call it in French x)

    • @anna_in_aotearoa3166
      @anna_in_aotearoa3166 2 года назад +4

      It's so fun and interesting to see how names for the same items around the world! These "bosom holder" forms of naming the bra remind me very humorously of one Australian slang name for a bra, which is an "over-the-shoulder boulder-holder".... 😂

    • @catherinerayburn100
      @catherinerayburn100 2 года назад

      It could be worse with crude American of "over shoulder boulder holder" said mainly by what some might call "white trash".

  • @marthaschwartz5031
    @marthaschwartz5031 3 года назад +233

    In case anyone is wondering, the bra in France is called a soutien-gorge (chest/bust support).

    • @jea7362
      @jea7362 3 года назад +25

      Other fun fact: in Québec, it is commonly called a brassière. So the term is used in some french-speaking parts, probably because the US is just across the border haha

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja 3 года назад +5

      @@jea7362
      And because so much of the same country speaks English.

    • @zoui976
      @zoui976 3 года назад +24

      Well in France we have both soutien-gorge and brassière but there is a difference between them: a brassière a sports bra and everythong else is a soutien-gorge...

    • @johannageisel5390
      @johannageisel5390 3 года назад +20

      In German it's "Büstenhalter", short "BH" (pronounced Beh-hah), which translates to "bust holder".

    • @marthaschwartz5031
      @marthaschwartz5031 3 года назад +9

      @@johannageisel5390 "Bust holder" is so accurate and also funny.

  • @clarestebbing2901
    @clarestebbing2901 3 года назад +129

    I love when you fall down a research rabbit hole. Alice would be proud.

  • @inerlogic
    @inerlogic 3 года назад +184

    100 years from now, future Nicole talking about re-creating spanx.....

    • @IvoryValentine22
      @IvoryValentine22 3 года назад +18

      If history is any indication shape wear will either be unheard of or back to something similar to corsets 😂

    • @Love-and-Salt
      @Love-and-Salt 3 года назад +24

      “So they used this really interesting material called spandex which was basically small strips of elastic woven into the cloth...we have nothing like this today so I’ll have to make do...”

    • @button4631
      @button4631 3 года назад +22

      @@IvoryValentine22 yeah, spanx will be blamed for women's death and fainting lol

    • @SarahBent
      @SarahBent 3 года назад +2

      It will be very hard to get the power mesh though, so future viewers will.be amazed at her dedication.

    • @MsJPA79
      @MsJPA79 3 года назад +6

      Don't forget the bustier. I wore one under my wedding dress with spanx control top pantyhose. Nothing hasn't really changed.

  • @lisahodges8299
    @lisahodges8299 3 года назад +238

    It was very strange seeing my grandmother's foundation garments worn by someone from this century; she did not wear more modern garments. The steelmaker who called twice a year to make her clothes made her bras too. The only difference is that she had pink brocade underwear.
    Birdy

    • @nblmqst1167
      @nblmqst1167 3 года назад +7

      My grandmother was born in 1900, and I also find it strange.

    • @pseudo.account
      @pseudo.account 3 года назад +4

      Steelmaker? Were corset makers called steelmakers?

    • @lisahodges8299
      @lisahodges8299 3 года назад +14

      Predictive text.. Oh dear sorry, I meant dressmaker.
      Birdy

    • @MahHairChronicles
      @MahHairChronicles 3 года назад +11

      @@lisahodges8299 "Steelmaker" makes for a very interesting story though....

  • @katiejo911
    @katiejo911 3 года назад +22

    Corset cover goes to bra, Corset goes to girdle. May have said this before but my Irish grandmother wore a corset every day until they put her in the nursing home in the late 1970s. It really helped her back when she was milking cows.

  • @wingthorn
    @wingthorn 3 года назад +25

    The corset certainly persisted well into the 1960s, at least in Montreal. On my way to class, I passed a corsetiere's shop that showed corsets, usually in that odd shade of pinkish tan called "nude", in their modestly small windows. And this wasn't an odd remnant in an obscure neighbourhood. This was on a main fashionable street, right next door to Holt Renfrew, which was, and still is, a high-end shop.

  • @myriamd3152
    @myriamd3152 3 года назад +127

    I have never made historical garments, but the more I look at videos etc, the more I want to. And underthings are what appeal to me the most (maybe because I find modern ones so uncomfortable). This one appeared in my pinterest a few days ago, and you seem to say it is as comfortable as I thought it would be. I will try my hand at this. Thank you very much

  • @TechKnowCat
    @TechKnowCat 3 года назад +128

    what i want to know is, why we stopped wearing a chemise under the brassieres? we need to bring that back ...or maybe i need to stop wearing cheap bras lol

    • @NicoleRudolph
      @NicoleRudolph  3 года назад +206

      I think it's because as the corset dropped, we needed something under that. But we also needed something OVER the brassiere so that it wouldn't show through sheer outer layers. Hence the slip became the full body garment, but as a mid layer. The chemise just protected agains the corset or girdle and eventually became shorts (knickers, etc) and then more fitted underwear. I really need to do a video on that garments transition at some point!

    • @fridabafverfeldt2008
      @fridabafverfeldt2008 3 года назад +22

      @@NicoleRudolph yes, that would make a really interesting video. please do!

    • @angellover02171
      @angellover02171 3 года назад +3

      Why do you feel you need a chemise? Is it the underwire?

    • @coolthinghere6853
      @coolthinghere6853 3 года назад +33

      @@angellover02171 they probably mean the cheaper synthetic fabrics the bras are made of, they usually arent very breathable 😩
      but seams not being finished enough to prevent itching could be another point too

    • @bridgetthewench
      @bridgetthewench 3 года назад +25

      @@coolthinghere6853 Itchy bra seams are the bane of my existence. And they happen in even more expensive bras sometimes!

  • @bunhelsingslegacy3549
    @bunhelsingslegacy3549 3 года назад +88

    My mother in-law (married in the late 50 I think) was told she "needed a corset now that she was married" so she got one at the department store, and wore it once, and then it lived in the closet till she eventually threw it out. Found that out this Xmas when I told her I was exploring a half-corset sports bra thing because "This is like, so comfy" is something I have never once said about a bra. Ever. Best I've managed is "this is probably tolerable for its purpose and then GET IT OFF ME." Turns out I really don't like anything touching my chest under my boobs. And I've never been terribly large so they held themselves up just fine without support... and now that ... uh, age + gravity, I'm finding "things I don't like touching my chest" includes my boobs... Which is why I'm working on a mockup of the top half (waist up) of an "athletic corset". Thanks to your research I'll be experimenting with the placing of the boning in my attempts, because one of the purposes I feel I need a bra is for martial arts because I have a noticeable amount of breast tissue wrapping around my ribcage under my armpit and that really hurts when somone kneels on it when they're pinning me, so I typically wear an underwire bra to keep the girls aimed in front. Oddly, I don't mind a well-fitted underwire at all, it's the tight band underneath holding the bra from slipping up over my boobs that I mind... sometimes even free-range boobies need a little bit of support!

    • @raraavis7782
      @raraavis7782 3 года назад +7

      I'm the same. Bra bands annoy the heck out of me. I don't know, how people put up with wearing them all day. I wear a soft, microfiber bralette, if I have to...and preferably not even that. I'm super sensitive, when it comes to clothing anyway, though.
      Nothing tight or restricting is tolerable for more than 2-3 hours for me. Sighs.

    • @majsmarken118
      @majsmarken118 3 года назад +5

      I only wear a bra to work or going out. Bra is the first thing I get rid of when I’m home 😀😀

    • @queenmcroyal6186
      @queenmcroyal6186 3 года назад +3

      This sounds very familiar😅 in my own experiments i have found that diagonal boning works wonders! I never understood the purpose of underwires but having boning run sort of from armpit height down to center front is both comfortable and supportive to keep the ladies from moving sideways!! If you want an example maybe you can search for 1790s linnen jumps (I know it roams around on pinterest and instagram) just to see the direction of the boning bc I'm not sure my explanation makes it clear😂😂 i was so surprised about having support without restricting my ribcage with an elastic even though the fabric isn't stretchy at all!

    • @HiNinqi
      @HiNinqi Год назад

      Please post your progress! I definitely share an interest in this endeavor but dont have a sewing machine to do any attempts. Mine has been stolen twice now...

    • @bunhelsingslegacy3549
      @bunhelsingslegacy3549 Год назад +1

      @@HiNinqi I actually put the thing together at the end of 2022 out of two layers of linen using an antique hand crank machine, but I could have hand-sewn it, I would have just made three layers instead of two and made the boning channels between two inner layers instead of stitching separate channels. Mocked it up with cotton twill Ikea curtains, reversed the slant on the sideboob bone on one side and found it held things up front and centre better that way so I switched the other side... mockup is comfortable for about an hour then starts pinching my lower ribs so I need to open it up at the bottom a bit and maybe relocate the bones that hit the very sides of my ribcage cause I found a tiny bruise after I'd had it on, though I may well have done that to myself trying to adjust it. For the record, my mockup from Ikea curtains was all hand sewn together and the hem from the curtain made PERFECT mockup boning chanels that I could just base in place till I was happy with the placement. Or thought I was, it's still a work in progress but at least an almost wearable one! I might try making a lightly boned lace up vest from the pattern I wound up with, but the linen one has a zipper.

  • @LadyArtemis13
    @LadyArtemis13 3 года назад +86

    This is all the research I wanted to know but not actually do 😂 Thank you for your service. I'm making a ribbon corset right now!

  • @krysil1221
    @krysil1221 3 года назад +142

    As a woman with a considerable amount of acreage upstairs it's always required considerable support. I absolutely hate underwire bras so perhaps making one more like what you have made might be the ticket to being more comfortable. At the very least I'll have something pretty to wear which, sadly, I don't often find now.

    • @devinbaggs7542
      @devinbaggs7542 3 года назад +6

      This is like an "overwire" bra :D

    • @bobbibuttons8730
      @bobbibuttons8730 3 года назад +5

      I’m exactly the same Krystal. This may be worth making.

    • @ayjamay
      @ayjamay 3 года назад +4

      See you and I only like underwire bras everything else makes me feel floppy 😂

    • @button4631
      @button4631 3 года назад +7

      I've always found the old cross your heart soft cup bras to be more supportive than underwires which often leave wounds on my chub.

    • @katherinemorelle7115
      @katherinemorelle7115 3 года назад +6

      @@button4631 yes! I’m currently wearing a cross your heart longline bra. It’s the only bra I wear (other than this, I wear corsets). It not only supports my AU G cups (that’s an H or I in US cups, I think), but it also supports my upper back instead of hurting it.
      The only draw back for me is that it only goes to the waist, and therefore doesn’t support my lower back like a corset would. But it is my far the most comfortable and supportive bra I’ve ever owned (and I’ve owned many). There’s boning in the side front to keep it all nice and straight, but there are no underwires. Still fare more supportive than any underwire that has ever existed.

  • @indigohalf
    @indigohalf 3 года назад +37

    I think of the 1910s and 20s as the "Cambrian explosion" of women's supportive garments. The underbust corset left an ecological niche that was filled by a profusion of new forms!

  • @terrychristens9110
    @terrychristens9110 3 года назад +16

    I grew up in the south in the 1950’s and there was a woman who called herself a corset maker. Perhaps still supplying some of the ladies born in the late 1800’s who were comfortable in their old familiar supportive corsets.

  • @janicela9863
    @janicela9863 3 года назад +9

    Oh my gosh! Almost drooling when I saw that Fairy Brassiere. It is so beautiful and functional. Why, oh why do we have bras made of synthetic materials when we could have this incredible bra that would breathe?
    Thank you for sharing this bit of history and your impeccable sewing skills. My eyes and patience would no longer be up to create a masterpiece such as this 👏

  • @asilverfoxintasmania9940
    @asilverfoxintasmania9940 3 года назад +39

    ohh so nice to know it wasn't a man that invented the bra. That never made sense to me that we went from corsets straight to a bra and it did away with the corset. That it transitioned into a girdle makes so much more sense. The other slightly distressing thing is that even today we are still buying garments to try and make our selves fit the "ideal" silhouette....

  • @DuarneArt
    @DuarneArt 3 года назад +17

    History lessons with Nicole! Yay. What I really appreciate is that you flash pictures of the articles you referenced for your video essay, but you don't just read them- you interpret them. Thanks for being an intelligent youtuber and scholar.

  • @daxxydog5777
    @daxxydog5777 3 года назад +49

    My father said his mother wore a corset until the day she died in 1948.

  • @ebelskivers123
    @ebelskivers123 3 года назад +30

    As a music historian I come to historical dress RUclips half the time just to hear the research aspects! And I mean the clothes are spectacular too😉! 💚

  • @LiterarySnob
    @LiterarySnob 3 года назад +24

    As a very large busted old lady, I would think there would be the ladies that still wanted their favorite corset. As we cling to our favorite bra styles now. I have a feeling that the first one could work for large busted ladies. I was so in awe of your beautiful sewing! All was pressed and it shows off your meticulous to stitching!

    • @lady_sir_knight3713
      @lady_sir_knight3713 3 года назад +2

      Absolutely, if you look through the comments you can see several people sharing stories about older relatives who hung onto their Edwardian corsets.

    • @katherinemorelle7115
      @katherinemorelle7115 3 года назад +1

      Maria at Sew Through Time made a 19teens brassiere that does an excellent job supporting a larger bust. Even jumping up and down, there was not a single jiggle. It was very impressive.

  • @sylviapesek5193
    @sylviapesek5193 Год назад +3

    Fascinating, as always, and such a delight to watch. I was born in 1946, and when I was a little girl, I would watch in awe as my grandmother would first don her teddies, then her "shimmy" (chemise), then her corset, and finally her bra (which she pronounced "bray"). She was born in Louisiana in 1880, lived until 1975, and probably wore all those undergarments until she was at least 90. I found it fascinating, and rather daunting!

    • @LittleKitty22
      @LittleKitty22 3 месяца назад

      Why did she wear a bra AND a corset?

  • @learikosontcuit7129
    @learikosontcuit7129 3 года назад +21

    If anyone is interested Brassiere in French in a cupless bra that teens wear when we start having breast but not enough te wear an actual bra. And lucky adults with small or firm breast are now going back to it because it might be healthier for the body. So it does look similar to these 1910 bust support thingy.

    • @BethAge95
      @BethAge95 3 года назад

      yeah, i totally love those! gives a little bit of support, but is not as tight as a sports bra and way more comfy than sth with cups and/or hooks in the back

    • @learikosontcuit7129
      @learikosontcuit7129 3 года назад +3

      @@BethAge95 for me they add too little support to move around but I like that they prevent the underboob sweat situation so I wear them at home 💜

    • @mandarinadreux9572
      @mandarinadreux9572 3 года назад +1

      yeah, I only wear brassiere type tops or really loose sports bras now. But I do have smallish boobs (I don't even know what cup size they would translate to, maybe 70B or something), and they would hold in place naturally (although they do kind of hang lol). But it does give you a very different silhouette! Very boyish. I like the thought of it just being a vintage silhouette :) the early brassieres look so pretty.
      it's also a more natural silhouette. I've talked to boys who had a hard time finding naked women attractive because their natural breasts looked so different from what is accentuated with modern bras...

    • @infamoussphere7228
      @infamoussphere7228 2 года назад

      haha, I call them "fake bras"! I'm only a b, I mostly wear them to prevent nipple chafing.

    • @Udontkno7
      @Udontkno7 2 года назад +1

      practice bras!

  • @logandodson1484
    @logandodson1484 3 года назад +5

    You know someone is passionate about a subject when they are excited to learn that everything they thought they knew about something was wrong (because it means they have a new opportunity to do more research lol). Loved your video.

  • @foxyember
    @foxyember 3 года назад +9

    The snuggle time moment, in the end, was super sweet.

  • @LindaUrsin
    @LindaUrsin 3 года назад +3

    Over here in Scandinavia, it's called a breast holder :) BH for short. That Fairy bra looks like something much more comfortable to wear in summer than modern ones, which don't breathe at all. Being a larger size (very large according to modern sizing) the second one wouldn't work for me without boning, as everything would migrate to a point in the middle :D (Sports bras do that)

  • @jennypaxton8159
    @jennypaxton8159 2 года назад +1

    I found a 1950s(?) bullet bra at a thrift store. A welcome addition to my collection of historical stuff!

    • @lesliehuhl
      @lesliehuhl 17 дней назад +1

      Wish I still had my mom's!

  • @therustysquirrel7760
    @therustysquirrel7760 3 года назад +6

    I love watching your videos, so much information and detail. I also love the vibe of your format, so in keeping with the vintage feel. Your voice and presentation are so soothing and enjoyable to watch. Thanks you for presenting such quality content for us to enjoy. A special thanks for the videos on mid nineteen teens items!!!! I adore the 1915-1919 era of clothing; it is vintage yet can be very easily worn today. So thank you for including this time period on your channel, not many on RUclips currently do. I hope you include more from this time period in future, especially armistice style blouses, I want a closet full of them in all colors and collar styles, so stinking cute!!!

  • @mackenziew
    @mackenziew 3 года назад +3

    I’m so glad this passes the all important bounce test

  • @ascdancer
    @ascdancer 3 года назад +19

    This was so incredibly interesting! I might give that first one a try for my ownself! 😊

  • @maywenearedhel
    @maywenearedhel 3 года назад +35

    I'm so interested in making my own bras. I hate lycra and elastic fabrics because I need a lot of support for a 34 E sized bust.

    • @india1422
      @india1422 3 года назад

      I’ve made some of my own bras. Beautiful fabrics and patterns out there

    • @pseudo.account
      @pseudo.account 3 года назад +1

      Oof, and those 34E bras are probably pretty expensive too, I would imagine you have to get those from specialty stores.

    • @lady_sir_knight3713
      @lady_sir_knight3713 3 года назад +1

      _cries in 30G_

    • @pseudo.account
      @pseudo.account 3 года назад +1

      @@lady_sir_knight3713 😭 what hath god wrought upon your poor soul

    • @lady_sir_knight3713
      @lady_sir_knight3713 3 года назад +2

      @@pseudo.account and yet i am much better off than my poor 24H friend. sub-28 bands just aren't made above b cups. only children are that small, doncha know.

  • @paisley293
    @paisley293 3 года назад +2

    You should have 370K subscribers very soon. :) You do such precise, lovely work.

  • @debe8890
    @debe8890 3 года назад +18

    My grandmother wore a vest, which is basically a women's version of a sleevless t-shirt. She was born in 1884 and died in 1981 (96 years) and she tucked this vest into her panties which looked similar to men's boxers. When I was a teen in the 1960's my sister's and I thought this was hilarious.

    • @pseudo.account
      @pseudo.account 3 года назад +1

      Was her vest supportive in any way? Was it tight to support the breasts, or loose like a slip?

    • @amethystanne4586
      @amethystanne4586 3 года назад +2

      I don’t remember what my maternal grandmother(1890-1974) wore on the top. She did wear a slip, and underpants like what your grandmother did - similar to loose above-knee pajama pants. She sewed all her clothing except for her stockings(Sears&Roebuck catalog ). She made her slips and underpants, pieced out from the not-worn-out sections of the white flat sheets that were too worn to be used on the beds in the home.

    • @marywebb9127
      @marywebb9127 3 года назад +1

      Deb E The underwear that you say looked like men's boxers are called tap pants. I wear them over my garter belts and girdles.

    • @amethystanne4586
      @amethystanne4586 3 года назад

      @@marywebb9127 ..... when I was in Middle school and early high school years(1966-1970), I would put on my garter belt and stockings first, and wear the underwear on top. It was way easier to use the rest room.

    • @marywebb9127
      @marywebb9127 3 года назад

      @@amethystanne4586 That's what I meant and worded it wrong. I fixed it.

  • @deborahduthie4519
    @deborahduthie4519 3 года назад +1

    The look it gave was a, what my Grandmother called Matronly. Very correct for the period. Well done Nicole👏🏼

  • @ladyslippergrove
    @ladyslippergrove 2 года назад +1

    My grandmother wore a corset all her adult life until the mid-1950s. She was a very hard working woman. She said that she had never had a backache in her life.

  • @kitdubhran2968
    @kitdubhran2968 3 года назад +8

    This was super interesting! So cool to note that bras did not kill the corset.
    Also looks like something I might be able to make myself. I might try this out.

  •  3 года назад +3

    This might interest someone: In French bras were (or are) called soutien or soutien-gorge, and the word soutien went with the garment to many places as they were importing either the clothing or the patterns to make them locally. Also, in many occasions French designers travelled or even established themselves abroad, so naturally they used their own terminology in French.
    In some Spanish speaking countries the term soutien was translated to sostén, both meaning the same (support). In other countries they used the original word without changes.

  • @kayta84
    @kayta84 3 года назад +1

    Love when rabbit hole grabs people. I learn so much😊

  • @MissMagic
    @MissMagic 3 года назад +1

    I love the idea of the bra being not just comfortable (what!) but also size adjustable. If only I had the patience for such tiny hems!

  • @playdohgolem2832
    @playdohgolem2832 3 года назад +6

    You truly have some of the best historical costuming videos on youtube! Always a joy to see you've uploaded something new. I'll definitely need to make this one of my next projects.

  • @michelleneumann2413
    @michelleneumann2413 3 года назад +7

    That was both interesting and enlightening! I would love for you to show us the construction of the blouse you are wearing with the high waisted navy skirt. I am desirous of the Safari type Out of Africa fashions to come back. They did in the early 80s with the cotton blouses that fit closer to the body, buttoned in the front with pointed collars and large puffy sleeves that narrowed to the wrist. I had several of those blouses, and I LOVED them.

    • @jennreeder9237
      @jennreeder9237 3 года назад +1

      I love the clothing styles in Out of Africa, as well!

  • @bobbibuttons8730
    @bobbibuttons8730 3 года назад +5

    I love the way you pronounce brassiere Nicole. It’s so different from how we pronounce it here in Scotland
    My grandmother who was born in 1890 always referred to her girdle as her corset or her stays lol. She lived in a small village who would not be at the forefront of fashion

  • @roxiepoe9586
    @roxiepoe9586 3 года назад +2

    First bra, age 10, 1966. In 1968 I started 'junior high' at age 12 - and I wore a girdle! It was the means by which I held up my stockings- all nice girls wore stockings as all girls wore skirts/dresses. At Christmas that year I got a garter belt and shed the girdle with delight! The only problem then, was keeping the garter belt up! One day it lost it's grip and down it went. There is no event that still gives me the shudders like the memory of garter belt and stockings around my ankles in the hall of Lincoln Junior High. That summer I discovered panty hose and never looked back. :)

    • @argusfleibeit1165
      @argusfleibeit1165 3 года назад +1

      I'm about your age. Did you ever deal with the "garter belt and sanitary pad belt at the same time" problem? What a fiasco. Trying to get in and out of gym clothes, or having to walk home with that. One time I ended up with the pad all the way shifted up over my behind. Were we ever grateful for panty hose and tampons-- YES.

    • @lenabreijer1311
      @lenabreijer1311 3 года назад

      Yes. This so much! Girdle or "corset" to hold up the stockings. And those nasty all cotton pointy bra with only 2 inches of elastic at the back that had to be replaced every few months and straps with no give.

    • @marywebb9127
      @marywebb9127 3 года назад

      I have never had that problem. Your garter belt must have been too big. I have had those stupid plastic garter clips come loose that they make most out of. I will never use plastic garter clips again only metal.

  • @VtorHunter
    @VtorHunter 3 года назад +1

    I made a brassier for my 1910s motoring outfit and Foundations Revealed entry this year. I used Wearing History's pattern because it happened to be my size and it is so comfy!

  • @susanna3295
    @susanna3295 3 года назад +1

    The history of undergarments is always interesting and they both do look comfy!

  • @francesca3453
    @francesca3453 3 года назад +1

    Thanks. Really good presentation. Something to add... WWI material moratorium put many corset companies out of business and some went into weapons manufacturing. Also invention of auto made driving in a corset very hard.

  • @pseudo.account
    @pseudo.account 3 года назад +4

    Can you cover the transition from this style of brassiere to the ones with individual molded cups? Was that also a gradual process?

  • @astra1653
    @astra1653 3 года назад +1

    Yeah, they both definitely surprised me too! I wasn't expecting as much bust support... more like a wish and a prayer, but nope, they came through in the baggage department. Nice!
    And I love the little snippet at the end where your pupper comes up and says, "Mama, quit talking to the furniture, it's time for snuggles." 💕 So sweet! ❤

  • @stephc6545
    @stephc6545 3 года назад +6

    Really interesting, I was thinking of trying to make my own underwear despite being a novice, and this looks like a good place to start!

  • @EmeraldVideosNL
    @EmeraldVideosNL 3 года назад +1

    Can I just say what a nice touch the wig is. Everytime you wear it with period outfits instantly makes the picture complete!

  • @annabeinglazy5580
    @annabeinglazy5580 2 года назад +2

    The "no corsets because they already Had the ideal shape" Thing reminds me a Bit of the current bralette craze. In theory, im all for bralettes. Theyre comfy, theyre affordable, yadiyadiyada. In practice, im a large chested woman. Not super large, but large enough that wearing bralettes outside is Not comfortable for me. It feels like, If theyre tight enough, they squeeze by chest flat, If theyre Not that tight, walking becomes uncomfortable because nothing stays in place. I cant bend and If i do i literally have to stuff myself Back into the bralette (have fun doing that in Public). For a day on the Couch, a bralette sounds great. For actually doing Things, i want a decent underwire bra.
    The people advertising bralettes seem to be the small chested women that dont really need a bra, or already have a nice Natural shape. For me it feels like companies are Just looking to lower the Material costs and making me feel insecure about wanting an underwire bra because These days apparently theyre straight from hell

  • @bonniehyden962
    @bonniehyden962 3 года назад +2

    Aha!!! You, M'Lady, have just connected 'dots' for me! I've always heard that the body type for women, in "Ye Olden Times", was not necessarily for a thinner woman. (got it) ...but then, traditional information told us that "evil corsets" were to make a woman thinner. (not "appear" thinner...but to actually make her thinner, at least in the waist) (got it) What I have only now just realized (remember, I'm a newbie) is that it was never about the SIZE of the body...but it was about the silhouette (yes, y'all have been saying that) and SMOOTHNESS of the lines. I mean no disrespect to anyone...but I just consciously realized that the lumpy, frumpy way many of us look these days, as you said, with Muffin Tops and rolls, was not aesthetically pleasing in yonder years. Nobody cared how big you were...as long as you were smooth and in the accepted silhouette. Yes?

    • @marywebb9127
      @marywebb9127 3 года назад +1

      Muffin tops in clothing is lazy! People are lazy now.

    • @victoriaoliver9958
      @victoriaoliver9958 2 года назад +1

      That makes so much sense!

  • @mama_mahar
    @mama_mahar 3 года назад +1

    I haven't even made it past the three minute mark because I'm SO DISTRACTED by Nicole's gorgeous sweater. I keep pausing the video to see if I can decipher the lace pattern and whatnot. 😂

  • @charlarp
    @charlarp 3 года назад +4

    They turned out beautifully! I would love to explore this because I can’t wear underwire bras but I really need the support and lift as I am well endowed. Great video as usual! Thank you!

    • @katherinemorelle7115
      @katherinemorelle7115 3 года назад +1

      You might find the video Maria at Sew Through Time did really interesting- she made a 19teens brassiere that fully supports her larger bust- even jumping up and down there wasn’t even a single jiggle! It was quite impressive.

  • @thaismcrc
    @thaismcrc 3 года назад +3

    I always wondered whether there was a conceptual distinction between corsets, girdles and more modern shapewear. I think it makes a lot of sense to view them as different approaches to basically similar goals (i.e., making clothes look the way they're supposed to in any given period). And yay for the surprise dog at the end. What's his name?

  • @cincocats320
    @cincocats320 3 года назад +2

    I love rabbit holes! In my search for a perfect bra, I have been contemplating adjusting a corset cover pattern. Good to know I'm on the right track and will achieve what I want for a mid teens silouette. Thanks for great research links too.

  • @vivijd14
    @vivijd14 3 года назад +5

    Fun fact: french Canadians and Québécois do use the word « brassière » for bra, (as well as « soutien-gorge »)!

    • @fishinwidow35
      @fishinwidow35 3 года назад +1

      Yes, the French-Canadians in Maine do for sure

  • @MisSiszY
    @MisSiszY 3 года назад +29

    Fascinating. Also amazing that quite a simple, comfortable, construction does such a great job.
    Also did you ever think youd be uploading videos of yourself in underwear for strangers on the Internet? 😂 (I often think about the warnings received in the early days of the internet and how many of those are now normal 😂 summoning strangers to get in their car, talking to strangers all over the place and people often times sharing their exact locations all over the place. )

  • @TheAgeofFabulous
    @TheAgeofFabulous 3 года назад +23

    Where did the word “Girdle” come from? That’s what I want to know because it always sounded like “griddle” to me and why would anyone to griddle your middle?

    • @NicoleRudolph
      @NicoleRudolph  3 года назад +69

      Old English "Gyrdan" meaning to put a belt around your middle, fasten, bind, etc. Hence "gird your loins" means to tie your clothing up around your waist so it's out of the way! Girdle was regularly also used for belts and sashes during the early 20th c.

    • @amiejo
      @amiejo 3 года назад +8

      I like to think that a clever feminist suggested girdle to evoke the “gird your loins” sentiment to encourage other women at the time to take on the patriarchy!

    • @amai5493
      @amai5493 3 года назад +10

      In german the word "gürtel" means belt and it is very similar pronounced like girdle maybe the terms are related.
      And it seems they have also a similar meaning

    • @inerlogic
      @inerlogic 3 года назад +6

      "Griddle your middle"
      The middle is where the bacon comes from.... everyone loves bacon!

    • @raraavis7782
      @raraavis7782 3 года назад +9

      @@amai5493
      They are indeed.
      The root word is the indogermanic 'gherdh', which means 'enclosure' (like the wall around a garden, for example).

  • @bluexroses414
    @bluexroses414 3 года назад +1

    I love that you upload on Sundays because I get to make myself a Sunday brunch and sit down and watch a nice long discussion of bras.

  • @kjtherrick4031
    @kjtherrick4031 3 года назад +2

    Thank you for this very timely vlog! I was actually wondering when bras "replaced" corsets, especially because the corsets in the early 20th century were looking more like girdles, which it turns out: they became! Nice to know what seems to make sense generally equates to what was/is! I also like the idea of a comfortable bra. This was a very worthwhile rabbit hole to venture into!

  • @robinhahnsopran
    @robinhahnsopran 3 года назад +5

    This is fascinating! And your passion for this subject is so infectious. I could like this video over and over.

  • @dandeliondew
    @dandeliondew 3 года назад

    Love the little comfort dance at the end :)

  • @jmicha91
    @jmicha91 3 года назад +2

    That's so fascinating and informative! Thank you.

  • @fridabafverfeldt2008
    @fridabafverfeldt2008 3 года назад +2

    i feel like I always learn so much from your videos, thank you!

  • @Devanrealness
    @Devanrealness 3 года назад +1

    This was great! I've always loved undergarment history. 💕

  • @terrijuanette486
    @terrijuanette486 2 года назад +1

    Today, we use Spandex (Spanx), a very strong elastic material. It does a similar job to a corset or girdle. For me, I don't think the results are as attractive. it makes the body appear slimmer, smoother but not necessarily 'shapelier'. Corsets were about a 'shape'. Most women did not cinch in their corsets. Instead, corsets were used to define the waist, bust and hips so that a particular shape (hour glass) was achieved which accomplished 2 things: it made the waist appear smaller than it actually was and, because of the boning or stays, it smoothed over the natural 'fatty' areas we all tend to have, added padding where it was needed and created a smooth curvy figure. Women padded the bust (and the hip area and buttocks if needed) to make the waist 'appear' smaller by visual comparison. A normal or even bigger than normal waist can appear small if you pad a couple inches to your upper torso in strategic areas (and hips if necessary), smooth everything and well-define the waist, your waist will appear small and give a 'pleasing' effect.

  • @tesstiny
    @tesstiny 3 года назад +1

    this looks so comfy and I definitely want to make one now. Thanks for the amazing video!

  • @heathervivaviennetta
    @heathervivaviennetta 2 года назад +1

    When and why did we move away from the shift under the structural garment? I think we should bring this back, because now we are in the predicament that bras are expensive and difficult to wash, but they are in contact with the skin and really should be washed frequently.

  • @mjgbabydragonlet
    @mjgbabydragonlet 3 года назад

    So Good! Looks great too!

  • @janicemcalisterdouglas6306
    @janicemcalisterdouglas6306 2 года назад

    Stunning!

  • @Carmen-bu3gx
    @Carmen-bu3gx 3 года назад

    This looks amazing on you too! Well done!!

  • @ingridsturesson6593
    @ingridsturesson6593 3 года назад

    What a perfect video! Thank you!

  • @mouseluva
    @mouseluva 3 года назад

    What a great video! Your channel is so underrated/undersubscribed!

  • @yvetteaguirre9522
    @yvetteaguirre9522 3 года назад

    I’m so sold! 💖💖💖 I love this! The info...I’ve been schooled into the world of corset and bra wear of the 1910s! Excellent research, Nicole!

  • @TheMetatronGirl
    @TheMetatronGirl 3 года назад

    This was completely fascinating! Thanks for providing links to the articles you found. It’s so nice to know that people of the past weren’t necessarily just made of tougher stuff, they liked being comfortable, too. It’s also wonderful to continually learn that newer isn’t always better or smarter. Have a terrific week, and I am DYING of anticipation for your shoe video!!!
    Hooray for fur baby content!! I just love dogs so much, and yours is adorable!

  • @mfg2324
    @mfg2324 3 года назад

    so great info and work!

  • @ZipZipInkspot
    @ZipZipInkspot 3 года назад +1

    So appreciated the careful research: it would make an excellent article for one of the dress journals. Your test garment was cut and fitted so well...loved seeing the silhouette come alive.

  • @teacheraprilrogers
    @teacheraprilrogers 3 года назад +1

    As always Nicole and Abby make my Sundays a happy place. This is a video I wanted and I am so excited to see it. I am fascinated by mens and womens under garments. My students are always asking about underwear no matter the historical time period. My knowledge is now much more expanded.

  • @adamreynolds9816
    @adamreynolds9816 3 года назад +3

    Thankyou for this history! I feel a bit weird asking... but Ian so curious. Is it comfortable in modern clothes? Did you try? Not sure what the front strap would attach to perhaps if extended it could button onto the front of jeans! Love your videos.

    • @pseudo.account
      @pseudo.account 3 года назад +2

      Ooohhh I'm also curious, do the horizontal bands of fabric show underneath a modern t-shirt?

  • @jaicabardo4357
    @jaicabardo4357 3 года назад

    subbed! this was so informative! the brassiere looks so comfy and looks so secure!

  • @vixenwinter7963
    @vixenwinter7963 3 года назад +1

    This was such a wonderful and educational video, thank you for taking us through this journey. Very fun and informative.

  • @canucknancy4257
    @canucknancy4257 2 года назад

    Those look great! Thanks for sharing.

  • @aussieauntynette6892
    @aussieauntynette6892 3 года назад

    Thank you for your time and effort you have put on these Nicole, great vid 👍😁 Love what you made 💝
    Have a fabulous day 🦘🇦🇺🦘

  • @cherimolina2121
    @cherimolina2121 2 года назад

    I remember fiddles very well. The kind with the clasps to hold up nylons. Was like a skirt..no crotch, as rarely were pants worn. Only dresses and skirts.

  • @dorota1504
    @dorota1504 3 года назад

    I love your videos Nicole. Thank you for researching and sharing the knowledge. You never stop surprising me :D.

  • @amandahart9440
    @amandahart9440 3 года назад

    Now I want one! Looks great

  • @NoviceStitcher
    @NoviceStitcher 3 года назад

    i am loving your videos. you make everything seem so easy. I can only aspire to such ease.

  • @kaytiej8311
    @kaytiej8311 3 года назад

    Thanks for this brilliant research.

  • @AnniundLilo
    @AnniundLilo 3 года назад

    Looks really good.well done.

  • @medicalherbalist2216
    @medicalherbalist2216 3 года назад +1

    We are down the same rabbit hole! I've been reading and trawling 1910's underwear styles and making for some months now. I'm trying to rationalise all the items that I want to make too. Love your video - as ever. Such a wonderful mix of information, analysis and doing. Thank you.

  • @LadyVineXIII
    @LadyVineXIII 2 года назад

    I need both those bras in a size 38 J please. Seriously, I struggle to find a modern bra with enough cup and those look so comfy and supportive. Even bras made for 'plus sizes' seem to skimp on the cup and I spend half the day putting myself back in them.

  • @katherinelambton3534
    @katherinelambton3534 3 года назад

    This makes so much sense!

  • @cassiesews
    @cassiesews 3 года назад

    that brazierre/corset looks amazing!

  • @erinrabideau3691
    @erinrabideau3691 3 года назад

    Gorgeous makes! The cutest doggo everrrrr!

  • @margotdieu3932
    @margotdieu3932 3 года назад

    This was a super great and informative video, and I definitely need to try something like this out for myself too!

  • @heatherbottoms5813
    @heatherbottoms5813 3 года назад

    Thank you for showing the fiddley bits. There is so much detail about making a garment that no one shows.....

  • @thetimelesscostumemaker1266
    @thetimelesscostumemaker1266 3 года назад

    These look so comfortable. As a large chested woman I hate the skinny straps on most modern bras. They cut into my shoulders something awful. These would definitely be great options to help with this issue, I think.