Don't worry about the Danger Level, Retro! Happy to see gameplay at any danger. The more fun builds are harder to make work in high danger I've noticed.
Armor % works fine is you do math. Imagine you have 75% dmg reduction. 100 dmg will cut to 25. Add 5% to your reduction and now you will take 20 dmg. Which is 20% less than 25 dmg. So 5% more reduction cut dmg taken by 20%.
i made sure to pick up a single ghost flint at the start. by wave 20 i had almost 100% extra attack speed from that alone. this character is pretty good
@@GavlockX Get some nice piercing on it, maybe a few other weapons to help keep good damage or maybe some good ranged damage upgrades. Should be a very good build
9:31 Okay, I'm in no way actually mad: but that was probably the most hilarious thing I've seen you do in Brotato in a while. LOL Just the silence. Knowing that you're envisioning all of the RUclips comments. I see them scrolling by in the reflection of your glasses as you stare at the screen. "I CRINGE WHEN..." "Why do I even watch this guy?!" "How can this guy even win a run?" "Hey guys, who even are we? Are we even real? Is anything even real?" "STREAMER WHY"
26:15 Well, going from 68% less damage taken to 72% less damage taken is an effective change of 12.5% less damage taken. If a hit would normally do 100 damage without armor, at 68% that's 32 damage, while at 72% it's 28 damage, a change of 12.5%. As an extreme example, going from 98% to 99% less damage taken might seem tiny, but that would halve the amount of damage taken. All this to say, while there definitely seems to be diminishing returns to armor it doesn't appear to be as extreme as it might look at first glance.
Congrats on your first danger 5 victory! I'd say play on lower difficulty to get to know all classes and builds and when you encounter a broken build, try beating it on danger 5
I say do whatever danger level you have fun with, then if some build seems absolutely busted, you try that same build on danger level 5 for a future run
I actually used 6 Circular Saws (even got them all to T4 on the final bosses) while stacking Armor and Attack Speed. It's insanely broken. I could afk during the whole fight after equipping the 4th saw and I only had to focus when doing the final bosses. But despite going all out-healing I managed to kill both bosses, I didn't try running.
I just unlocked the character u win for having - 5% regen, is kinda hard cause there are so few items that give the minus, the ones i get are: hedgehog, broken mouth, suspicious cocoction and poisonous tonic
I am kinda glad that a melee character is one of the strongest in the game, with range being so much stronger . also it seems like enemies can't spawn where you are standing, may be worth it to stand on their spawn when you kill a clump of hosts if you can
Hey dude, the thing with armor is that, it buffs -40% dmg taken for 5 armor, and -66% for 20 armor... so the Knight isn't that good. Because just taking 5 armor with any other character will gives you lots of dmg reduction, and you can get melee damage buff from other sources. Also, with high attack speed and/or fast weapons, and lifesteal, you can get easily get +6hp/s. With 20% life steal, 5 hits/s is +1hp/sec. Just one Minigun is +4hp/s !! Ghost Flints + 20% lifesteal + 5-8 amor + 20 hp = unkillable. Get some flat melee damage, and the game becomes way too easy, even at difficulty 5 :D And it works with almost every character.... You can get more than +300% attack speed with Ghost Flints. That's also 3x more damage ! That's just insane !!
My recommendation: stick to danger 1 or 2 most the time, go for danger 0 for builds that are trash but funny, and do high danger levels if you have a really broken build that you want to push to its limit or want more of a challenge. Definitely doesn't need to be every time though unless you get so good at dodging that you never take damage anyways.
I don't get why people get a aneurism when people don't play on the highest difficulty, especially when they just check out a new guy, like we are here to see what the new guy can do not to see if we can beat death mode with no items and upgrades
@@Retromation Yeah this isn’t what it is I don’t think. I’m pretty sure it was showing 18 armor while moving and 76 sword damage and then 24 armor while standing still for also 76 sword damage. Not sure how the passive is applied, but maybe it doesn’t update based on in-run stats? Probably a glitch if that’s the case.
Ok here's the math for there not beeing deminishing returns: Formula: Effective HP= (1+(armor/10))*HP Meaning having 10 HP and 5 armor (1+(5/10))*10=15 10HP and 10 armor (1+(10/10))*10=20 10 HP and 20 armor (1+(20/10))*10=30 10 HP and 30 armor (1+(30/10))*10=40 THERE ARE NO DIMINISHING RETURNS. And again, that makes sense. 50% damage reduction doubles your ehp. While 75% quadruples it. So the damage reduction has to go down for the armor to scale linear. This is the same as League of Legends or other games using an armor system in this way
For the stationary stat buff not showing in the menu, I wonder if you're considered stationary the moment you open the menu. In which case moving and opening the menu wouldn't show the "moving" stats.
I'm curious why you never buy the Bag upgrade (+20 mat when you pick up a crate)? It pays for itself almost immediately and then just stacks a ton of money over a run, i don't see any downsides
Yesterday I had broken run, I got the legenday item that gives 100% material atraction and a bunch o cute monkeys, I was unkillable cause this way of healing have no internal cooldown so I was constantly healing like 10hp a second at least, it wa fun
@@fuokir2305 100% disagree. Wana go a luck based build? Speed. Wana do any of the no combat chars? Speed. Wana just collect more resources per turn? Speed. Speed is good
I kinda wanna see if it is possible to win by murder instead of just survival at one point, but even tho it's surprisingly not as hard as I'd thought, dunno if that's possible. Tl;dr Any danger level you find fun is fine
Danger level 1 is fine, fun is more important.
For me, only play other danger level for unlock
Exactly! Whole point is to have fun
Drizzlet energy don't @ me
Very much this. Play what’s fun. Let the masochists take on what they want.
@@bort6414 insecure much?
Don't worry about the Danger Level, Retro! Happy to see gameplay at any danger. The more fun builds are harder to make work in high danger I've noticed.
Armor % works fine is you do math.
Imagine you have 75% dmg reduction.
100 dmg will cut to 25.
Add 5% to your reduction and now you will take 20 dmg. Which is 20% less than 25 dmg. So 5% more reduction cut dmg taken by 20%.
i made sure to pick up a single ghost flint at the start. by wave 20 i had almost 100% extra attack speed from that alone. this character is pretty good
FYI, the stray "spawned" enemies seem to be from blocking their spawn actually causing them to show up elsewhere.
9:32 this moment xD
that pause
Lowkey feel like if you do the demon, etheral sceptor is a nice idea cause it gives max hp every good amount of kills
Not even low key. It just seems really good
@@GavlockX Get some nice piercing on it, maybe a few other weapons to help keep good damage or maybe some good ranged damage upgrades.
Should be a very good build
Add some medical weapons to regen / lifesteal
It might be the only usable weapon, but we have to see how expensive the items get.
9:31
Okay, I'm in no way actually mad:
but that was probably the most hilarious thing I've seen you do in Brotato in a while. LOL
Just the silence. Knowing that you're envisioning all of the RUclips comments. I see them scrolling by in the reflection of your glasses as you stare at the screen.
"I CRINGE WHEN..."
"Why do I even watch this guy?!"
"How can this guy even win a run?"
"Hey guys, who even are we? Are we even real? Is anything even real?"
"STREAMER WHY"
26:15 Well, going from 68% less damage taken to 72% less damage taken is an effective change of 12.5% less damage taken. If a hit would normally do 100 damage without armor, at 68% that's 32 damage, while at 72% it's 28 damage, a change of 12.5%. As an extreme example, going from 98% to 99% less damage taken might seem tiny, but that would halve the amount of damage taken.
All this to say, while there definitely seems to be diminishing returns to armor it doesn't appear to be as extreme as it might look at first glance.
Congrats on your first danger 5 victory! I'd say play on lower difficulty to get to know all classes and builds and when you encounter a broken build, try beating it on danger 5
Woah, the demon is what I was building for the revita mod lol. Saves me time. I miss modding. Great win!
I say do whatever danger level you have fun with, then if some build seems absolutely busted, you try that same build on danger level 5 for a future run
I actually used 6 Circular Saws (even got them all to T4 on the final bosses) while stacking Armor and Attack Speed. It's insanely broken. I could afk during the whole fight after equipping the 4th saw and I only had to focus when doing the final bosses. But despite going all out-healing I managed to kill both bosses, I didn't try running.
Danger 5 Demon was easy for me.
I can recommend trying it. :)
I just unlocked the character u win for having - 5% regen, is kinda hard cause there are so few items that give the minus, the ones i get are: hedgehog, broken mouth, suspicious cocoction and poisonous tonic
I am kinda glad that a melee character is one of the strongest in the game, with range being so much stronger . also it seems like enemies can't spawn where you are standing, may be worth it to stand on their spawn when you kill a clump of hosts if you can
Demon with that ethereal weapon that grants hp sounds busted.
Hey dude, the thing with armor is that, it buffs -40% dmg taken for 5 armor, and -66% for 20 armor... so the Knight isn't that good. Because just taking 5 armor with any other character will gives you lots of dmg reduction, and you can get melee damage buff from other sources.
Also, with high attack speed and/or fast weapons, and lifesteal, you can get easily get +6hp/s.
With 20% life steal, 5 hits/s is +1hp/sec. Just one Minigun is +4hp/s !!
Ghost Flints + 20% lifesteal + 5-8 amor + 20 hp = unkillable. Get some flat melee damage, and the game becomes way too easy, even at difficulty 5 :D
And it works with almost every character.... You can get more than +300% attack speed with Ghost Flints. That's also 3x more damage ! That's just insane !!
My recommendation: stick to danger 1 or 2 most the time, go for danger 0 for builds that are trash but funny, and do high danger levels if you have a really broken build that you want to push to its limit or want more of a challenge. Definitely doesn't need to be every time though unless you get so good at dodging that you never take damage anyways.
I don't get why people get a aneurism when people don't play on the highest difficulty, especially when they just check out a new guy, like we are here to see what the new guy can do not to see if we can beat death mode with no items and upgrades
I won on the first attempt danger 5 with knight too. I had more Hp and it was quite easy because of it. Knight is insane!
My guess for why the armor doesn't show is you are always standing still when pause so it shows as always applied
it doesn't do that for other stand still to gain stat items though
@@Retromation
Yeah this isn’t what it is I don’t think.
I’m pretty sure it was showing 18 armor while moving and 76 sword damage and then 24 armor while standing still for also 76 sword damage.
Not sure how the passive is applied, but maybe it doesn’t update based on in-run stats? Probably a glitch if that’s the case.
Danger 3 is plenty for all. Focus on unlocks
this build is insane just tried it out along with the video and killed both bossed on danger 5 level 20
I'm fine with you playing on danger level one but I think that if it's just level one it will get more repetitive
The thing didn't upgrade your damage when you stand still you gain armor I think it was 6
Ok here's the math for there not beeing deminishing returns:
Formula:
Effective HP= (1+(armor/10))*HP
Meaning having 10 HP and 5 armor
(1+(5/10))*10=15
10HP and 10 armor
(1+(10/10))*10=20
10 HP and 20 armor
(1+(20/10))*10=30
10 HP and 30 armor
(1+(30/10))*10=40
THERE ARE NO DIMINISHING RETURNS.
And again, that makes sense. 50% damage reduction doubles your ehp. While 75% quadruples it. So the damage reduction has to go down for the armor to scale linear. This is the same as League of Legends or other games using an armor system in this way
Strategy for fighting 2 bosses: stay alive.
For the stationary stat buff not showing in the menu, I wonder if you're considered stationary the moment you open the menu. In which case moving and opening the menu wouldn't show the "moving" stats.
Armor surprisngly got updated in the pause menu based on if he was stationary. Looks like the game simply didn't check to update melee damage
I'm curious why you never buy the Bag upgrade (+20 mat when you pick up a crate)? It pays for itself almost immediately and then just stacks a ton of money over a run, i don't see any downsides
Danger lvl 1 or just 2 if you think a character is stronger than most is fine, I wanna see wacky builds
a mix of both danger levels would be nice. maybe split 80/20 in favor of lower levels?
when you see the 2 final bosses
NEW OBJECTIVE: SURVIVE
Retromation can you mod a weapon into the game that is a lightsaber? Maybe make it able to reflect "bullets"?
First try danger 5 lets go!
Yesterday I had broken run, I got the legenday item that gives 100% material atraction and a bunch o cute monkeys, I was unkillable cause this way of healing have no internal cooldown so I was constantly healing like 10hp a second at least, it wa fun
only do what is fun for you.
Love to see more
Danger 2 or 3 seems like it would be best
I love this.
i swear the most powerful stat in this game is attack speed
While speed being one of most useless
@@fuokir2305 100% disagree. Wana go a luck based build? Speed. Wana do any of the no combat chars? Speed. Wana just collect more resources per turn? Speed. Speed is good
@@oldman747 range is most worthless
@@fuokir2305 unless you have negative range
I kinda wanna see if it is possible to win by murder instead of just survival at one point, but even tho it's surprisingly not as hard as I'd thought, dunno if that's possible. Tl;dr Any danger level you find fun is fine
Also, medkit is not worth being legendary rarity??? +8% health regen for -15 luck and is expensive as hell???
Are you done with Brotato until more updates are done? Danger level 5 is pretty dumb, I'd like to see more videos of danger level 1, if possible
Rock would be broken on this dude due to its increase in armour
you didnt take damage cause they changed the hurtbox of mr brotato so its a lot smaller now
Keep going
play the level you want, fun is better then difficulty for the sake of difficulty
Please run that demon next time!
try the saver, if you get piggy bank early even better, easiest danger lvl 5 ever
Wouldn't it just take two hunting trophies to make it good again
Maybe go for all the danger levels. So we can see a variety
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sadly its now reduces with atk speed y_y
What dl is fun for you is fun for me
no dL 5 ... just as a benchmark for broken builds
First like!!!