Excellent video and I totally agree with all your selections. I have most of what you selected and impressed that you included the 18-70 lens which I used for years on my D70 with great success. Eventually I bought the D300 and used all these lenses on it but now with my Zfc and FTZ adapter…..with Nikon nothing goes to waste and I can use any lens on that camera. I liked the fact that as you spoke you had the EBay selection scrolling down showing the value for your money. DX format is also good for shooting birds with the crop factor adding to your reach. You really did your homework on this video so we certainly benefited by that research or maybe you just owned them all and so could speak from experience.😆 Regards Gerry
Thanks for thi great overview! AF-P lenses also work with mirrorless cameras, like the zfc and even all the Nikon 1 series (1 inch sensor, 2.7x crop), with the FT1 adapter, which makes a cheap and light 189-810mm eq. on a v1, v2 or v3 (the Nikon 1 cx 70-300mm is hard to find and can get expensive).
The 16-85/80 are expensive, right, but if you are a architecture, travel photographer, indoor photographer, as I, the 24mm equivalent field of view is really the difference of getting a photo or not. With 28m/27m equivalent of the kit lenses, you couldn't get the whole dome interior of many churches or mosques. Besides the larger field of view, the image quality rises quite a bit compared to all the kit lenses. It's important for cameras with higher resolution 20/24MP onwards. I would recommend every kit lens user and travel photographer the upgrade to the 16mm minimal focal range lenses, but of course only used one. Back in the days, they were very expensive for the quality step who they offered. But now it's a no brainer to invest a little more money to get better results or get the photo you want. The alternative is to use indoor a tripod and make panorama shots, but tripods are often forbidden in churches and palaces. Or go with the wide angels zoom, primes, but this requires more lenses in a bag.
AF-P lenses work on the D3300 if you update to the latest firmware. Also, you didn't mention the Tamron 18-400mm lens. If you're going to get a super zoom, that would be the one.
Why don't you recommend AF-P lenses? If someone has a compatible body - what's wrong with them? I have AF-P 18-55 and 10-20 - the latter is an absolute gem of a lens.
There's nothing wrong if you already have them. It's an easy way to prevent people from running into compatibility problems. For people buying used lenses, the AF-S lenses are a better value.
@@OutsidetheShot AF-P are compatible with D500, D750, D850, D3400 and up, D5500 and up, and the D7500 with no issue or caveats. The 70-300 FX AF-P is very much worth it over the older AFS for any that are compatible.
@@OutsidetheShot Only issue I can think of would be in terms of resale potential, but I had no problem selling my lenses when I switched to mirrorless. The market seems to still be available for those lenses at least when I sold mine. If you have one of the compatible models the AF-P lenses are so much quieter and more enjoyable to use.
I agree but the AF-P lenses are really good value if you have later cameras (D7100 onwards). The 70-300 DX and 10-20 are great travel lenses because they give good performance and weigh very little. All totally useless on something like a D200 (great camera) but nice to have in your bag if have a later camera and see something interesting. They also work on the later full frame cameras for wildlife (where you would be cropping in at 300mm anyway so DX is no loss) or super wide angle (the 10-20 does something like 15mm up without too much viginetting). My favourite APSC lens is the Tokina 14-20 f/2. It is as good as a prime lens when stopped down a bit. No one bought it because landscape shooters went full frame after the D800.
Yup, i agree. When I shot with my D5600 i opted for the AF-P models when I could. The AF-S lenses were alot more clunky, slower, louder and less enjoyable to shoot.
You're welcome! With a bit of work searching, you can find ridiculous deals. I was surprised at how cheap the the 17-55mm f2.8 (and the two17-50mm f2.8s) currently are.
I cannot agree that the AF-P lenses should be completely avoided. The warning that they are not compatible with all DSLRs is fair. But I have been using three of them - 10-20mm, 18-55mm VR, and 70-300mm VR - on a D500 for over two years, and they work surprisingly well IMO. Their optics are much better than I expected. They lack the professional build quality of more-expensive lenses, but seem to be sturdy enough for my uses. They also work very well, via adapters, with Nikon 1 and Nikon Z-mount cameras.
Look for a lightly used D610, D700, or D750. Spend the time to find a good deal. People are selling bodies for super cheap as they move to the Z mount.
+1 on the Tamron 17-50 2.8, it's perfectly proportioned for the large DX bodies and is my allrounder lens on my D300 where it really helps stretch the lackluster low ISO performance, making night shots possible. For an entry-level body, it's a bit on the chunky side. Also note that the non-VC version has better optics and weighs less, and that this lens is pretty noisy as it predates HSM.
Good of you to do this one. Isn't it 'last call' for DX DSLR? Recently I traded away all DX; (2) bodies and (4) normal - wide. I am all FX now, (2) Z and an (1) F-mount bodies. The amount famous (2) retail camera stores NYNY gave seemed low. But I bought one of the bodies open box in Nov 2017 and I got a total $760 maybe I did OK.
I think we're in a golden age of digital photography. The DX bodies are perfect cameras for people that want to learn photography. They're cheap, the lenses are cheap, and they have manual controls. No one is priced out anymore.
Nice video. Wish I watched this back when I first got my D5600. Only thing I would say is that the AF-P lenses are fine and should not be avoided like a plague provided that you confirm compatibility. They are better than most of the old lenses. Also I found the 18-140 to be one of the best travel lenses and it is really not all that large. It basically replaces your standard kit zoom (in fact I think it was sold as the alternative kit zoom) and your midrange telephoto.
There are two versions of the tokina 11-16. Only the ii version as lens af motor to autofocus on d3xxx & d5xxx bodies. Version i is screw drive af. The nikon 10.5mm dx fisheye is also screw drive AF, so will only Af on D90, D7xxx, D300 & D500. One of the few lenses G lenses with screw drive AF.
Thanks for bringing that up. I didn't check well enough to notice the fisheye needs a body with a screw drive. At least it's an easy lens to manual focus with, as it's easy to get everything to be in focus.
Want to personally shout out the Tamron 10-24mm f/3.5-45 VC ii. Really excellent ultra wide that works wonders on the higher-end DX bodies like the D7200. I also owned the 16-80mm Nikon, and I really like the way that lens rendered scenes. It had a lot of weird distortion that was very pleasant to my eye. Also for fellow landscape shooters, to my knowledge the only weather sealed DX lenses are those two and the 17-55mm f/2.8. Obviously there are more sealed full frame lenses, but there aren't a ton of options for DX.
The whole point of the AF-P lenses was faster more accurate focus, and the focus motors are so quiet you don't hear them when recording video with on-board microphones; the AF-S focus motors are hideously noisy by cimparison. The optical formulas are also an improvement in image quality over their AF-S ancestors. The AF-P 18-55 is the best one made. I also have the AF-P 10-20mm superwide, and a lens this inexpensive has no right to be this good. Most of my work is for sports, so I stepped up from an FX AF-S 70-300 4.5-5.6 ED VR, which was noticeably softer at 300mm on a 24mp D5300, and replaced it with the AF-P FX version. This later lens was designed to improve resolving power for FX bodies above 24mp, and is now so good it has higher image quality than either the 80-400 or the 200-500 at their 300mm settings. Usind a crop sensor camera, I get to use the best parts of the FX image circle, so image quality on my D5300 is now amazing. Sure, the AF-P is only suitable for cameras as old as the D5300 ( Nov 2013 release date) or younger) and many cameras need a firmware update, but this inconvenience is minor compared to the performance boost of these lenses. I think you treat AF-P lenses rather harshly. I think your rationale as to why Nikon reduced the switchgear on the lenses as some sort of cheap cost saving I think misses the point that every analog switch is a potential failure point, and letting the camera control ficus and VR from the menus is more a reliability thing.
Why are you making false claims about circular polarizer's. I have been using these filters on zoom lenses that extend since the 1970's and there is zero effect on how the polarizer functions. Currently I'm shooting with a Z7 II with it's 24-120mm zoom and function with a polarizer is 100% perfect. About the only common issue with polarizing filters is that the older manual focus lenses with a single helicoid design would rotate the polarizer as the lens was focused so you had to re-index the polarizer. BTW I suspect that as such a new user you aren't aware that circular polarizers can be indexed to sun to produce more polarizing effect. I suspect that you are also completely unaware of why the circular polarizer became necessary and why that is not a requirement with mirrorless camera's. Hint, semi silvered.
Well played.....This looks like it took some real thought. Like your style.
Thank you! I hope you found the video helpful.
Thanks for the great video! I was on he fence picking up a dx Nikon , but now I’m settled
Brother you snapped 😂😂the first 10 seconds made me laugh. Look forward to the next video 👍🏾
Thank you for the kind words. I'm going to do the EF-M and RF-S mounts soon. They'll be MUCH shorter videos. 😆
Thank you! I’m trying to learn about lenses and this helped a lot!
Excellent video and I totally agree with all your selections. I have most of what you selected and impressed that you included the 18-70 lens which I used for years on my D70 with great success. Eventually I bought the D300 and used all these lenses on it but now with my Zfc and FTZ adapter…..with Nikon nothing goes to waste and I can use any lens on that camera. I liked the fact that as you spoke you had the EBay selection scrolling down showing the value for your money. DX format is also good for shooting birds with the crop factor adding to your reach. You really did your homework on this video so we certainly benefited by that research or maybe you just owned them all and so could speak from experience.😆 Regards Gerry
A D300 or D3 is on my short list of camera bodies to try. I know lots of people hate eBay, but it's my favorite place to find deals.
Thanks for thi great overview! AF-P lenses also work with mirrorless cameras, like the zfc and even all the Nikon 1 series (1 inch sensor, 2.7x crop), with the FT1 adapter, which makes a cheap and light 189-810mm eq. on a v1, v2 or v3 (the Nikon 1 cx 70-300mm is hard to find and can get expensive).
I can vouch for the full frame Nikon 70-300mm on the D500. Very good optics, fast focussing, fairly light and lots of reach.
The 16-85/80 are expensive, right, but if you are a architecture, travel photographer, indoor photographer, as I, the 24mm equivalent field of view is really the difference of getting a photo or not. With 28m/27m equivalent of the kit lenses, you couldn't get the whole dome interior of many churches or mosques. Besides the larger field of view, the image quality rises quite a bit compared to all the kit lenses. It's important for cameras with higher resolution 20/24MP onwards.
I would recommend every kit lens user and travel photographer the upgrade to the 16mm minimal focal range lenses, but of course only used one. Back in the days, they were very expensive for the quality step who they offered. But now it's a no brainer to invest a little more money to get better results or get the photo you want. The alternative is to use indoor a tripod and make panorama shots, but tripods are often forbidden in churches and palaces. Or go with the wide angels zoom, primes, but this requires more lenses in a bag.
AF-P lenses work on the D3300 if you update to the latest firmware. Also, you didn't mention the Tamron 18-400mm lens. If you're going to get a super zoom, that would be the one.
Nikon 35mm f/1.8 G (DX) was the best lens I used on my D90, D7200...
It's such a good lens!
Why don't you recommend AF-P lenses? If someone has a compatible body - what's wrong with them? I have AF-P 18-55 and 10-20 - the latter is an absolute gem of a lens.
There's nothing wrong if you already have them.
It's an easy way to prevent people from running into compatibility problems. For people buying used lenses, the AF-S lenses are a better value.
@@OutsidetheShot AF-P are compatible with D500, D750, D850, D3400 and up, D5500 and up, and the D7500 with no issue or caveats. The 70-300 FX AF-P is very much worth it over the older AFS for any that are compatible.
@@OutsidetheShot Only issue I can think of would be in terms of resale potential, but I had no problem selling my lenses when I switched to mirrorless. The market seems to still be available for those lenses at least when I sold mine. If you have one of the compatible models the AF-P lenses are so much quieter and more enjoyable to use.
I agree but the AF-P lenses are really good value if you have later cameras (D7100 onwards). The 70-300 DX and 10-20 are great travel lenses because they give good performance and weigh very little. All totally useless on something like a D200 (great camera) but nice to have in your bag if have a later camera and see something interesting. They also work on the later full frame cameras for wildlife (where you would be cropping in at 300mm anyway so DX is no loss) or super wide angle (the 10-20 does something like 15mm up without too much viginetting).
My favourite APSC lens is the Tokina 14-20 f/2. It is as good as a prime lens when stopped down a bit. No one bought it because landscape shooters went full frame after the D800.
Yup, i agree. When I shot with my D5600 i opted for the AF-P models when I could. The AF-S lenses were alot more clunky, slower, louder and less enjoyable to shoot.
The DX glass, 35 f1.8 and 17-55 f2.8 you mention, both worth the money and best of the bunch.
The 17-55 being so cheap right now makes the DX bodies worth it.
Thank you for this!! I shoot a Z50 with an adaptor and am always interested in affordable options.
You're welcome! With a bit of work searching, you can find ridiculous deals. I was surprised at how cheap the the 17-55mm f2.8 (and the two17-50mm f2.8s) currently are.
I cannot agree that the AF-P lenses should be completely avoided. The warning that they are not compatible with all DSLRs is fair. But I have been using three of them - 10-20mm, 18-55mm VR, and 70-300mm VR - on a D500 for over two years, and they work surprisingly well IMO. Their optics are much better than I expected. They lack the professional build quality of more-expensive lenses, but seem to be sturdy enough for my uses. They also work very well, via adapters, with Nikon 1 and Nikon Z-mount cameras.
Great video. Very helpful. I love my 10.5mm fisheye. It’s rectilinear too so not as much of the circular output.
I have a D200. Other than the AF-P lenses are there any other lenses I should avoid? Great vid!!
You also want to avoid the earliest "non-Ai" lenses. I briefly talk about them in my latest video on full frame F-mount lenses.
nice !!! made a FX video version please ~~
I've got to figure out how to do it. There are so many lenses to go over. It'll be coming soonish.
Super helpful! Do you have a recommendation for an affordable full frame Nikon body?
Look for a lightly used D610, D700, or D750. Spend the time to find a good deal. People are selling bodies for super cheap as they move to the Z mount.
Unfortunately Z mount DX with VR for non IBIS bodies are only five available. Also no prime lenses. 😢
+1 on the Tamron 17-50 2.8, it's perfectly proportioned for the large DX bodies and is my allrounder lens on my D300 where it really helps stretch the lackluster low ISO performance, making night shots possible. For an entry-level body, it's a bit on the chunky side. Also note that the non-VC version has better optics and weighs less, and that this lens is pretty noisy as it predates HSM.
Good of you to do this one. Isn't it 'last call' for DX DSLR?
Recently I traded away all DX; (2) bodies and (4) normal - wide. I am all FX now, (2) Z and an (1) F-mount bodies.
The amount famous (2) retail camera stores NYNY gave seemed low. But I bought one of the bodies open box in Nov 2017 and I got a total $760 maybe I did OK.
I think we're in a golden age of digital photography. The DX bodies are perfect cameras for people that want to learn photography. They're cheap, the lenses are cheap, and they have manual controls. No one is priced out anymore.
Nice video. Wish I watched this back when I first got my D5600. Only thing I would say is that the AF-P lenses are fine and should not be avoided like a plague provided that you confirm compatibility. They are better than most of the old lenses. Also I found the 18-140 to be one of the best travel lenses and it is really not all that large. It basically replaces your standard kit zoom (in fact I think it was sold as the alternative kit zoom) and your midrange telephoto.
There are two versions of the tokina 11-16. Only the ii version as lens af motor to autofocus on d3xxx & d5xxx bodies. Version i is screw drive af.
The nikon 10.5mm dx fisheye is also screw drive AF, so will only Af on D90, D7xxx, D300 & D500. One of the few lenses G lenses with screw drive AF.
Thanks for bringing that up. I didn't check well enough to notice the fisheye needs a body with a screw drive. At least it's an easy lens to manual focus with, as it's easy to get everything to be in focus.
Want to personally shout out the Tamron 10-24mm f/3.5-45 VC ii. Really excellent ultra wide that works wonders on the higher-end DX bodies like the D7200. I also owned the 16-80mm Nikon, and I really like the way that lens rendered scenes. It had a lot of weird distortion that was very pleasant to my eye.
Also for fellow landscape shooters, to my knowledge the only weather sealed DX lenses are those two and the 17-55mm f/2.8. Obviously there are more sealed full frame lenses, but there aren't a ton of options for DX.
You talk about a Tamron 17-55 but show on Ebay all Tamrons 17-50. What do you mean ?
I got it confused with the Nikon. I was talking about the 17-50.
The Nikon 60mm af-p macro works well on my D7200 for portraits
Very sharp and will Auto focus
The whole point of the AF-P lenses was faster more accurate focus, and the focus motors are so quiet you don't hear them when recording video with on-board microphones; the AF-S focus motors are hideously noisy by cimparison. The optical formulas are also an improvement in image quality over their AF-S ancestors. The AF-P 18-55 is the best one made. I also have the AF-P 10-20mm superwide, and a lens this inexpensive has no right to be this good.
Most of my work is for sports, so I stepped up from an FX AF-S 70-300 4.5-5.6 ED VR, which was noticeably softer at 300mm on a 24mp D5300, and replaced it with the AF-P FX version. This later lens was designed to improve resolving power for FX bodies above 24mp, and is now so good it has higher image quality than either the 80-400 or the 200-500 at their 300mm settings. Usind a crop sensor camera, I get to use the best parts of the FX image circle, so image quality on my D5300 is now amazing.
Sure, the AF-P is only suitable for cameras as old as the D5300 ( Nov 2013 release date) or younger) and many cameras need a firmware update, but this inconvenience is minor compared to the performance boost of these lenses.
I think you treat AF-P lenses rather harshly. I think your rationale as to why Nikon reduced the switchgear on the lenses as some sort of cheap cost saving I think misses the point that every analog switch is a potential failure point, and letting the camera control ficus and VR from the menus is more a reliability thing.
Cute tee shirt. Purple the color of crazy people.
It is actually the color if mystery and royalty
Why are you making false claims about circular polarizer's. I have been using these filters on zoom lenses that extend since the 1970's and there is zero effect on how the polarizer functions. Currently I'm shooting with a Z7 II with it's 24-120mm zoom and function with a polarizer is 100% perfect. About the only common issue with polarizing filters is that the older manual focus lenses with a single helicoid design would rotate the polarizer as the lens was focused so you had to re-index the polarizer. BTW I suspect that as such a new user you aren't aware that circular polarizers can be indexed to sun to produce more polarizing effect. I suspect that you are also completely unaware of why the circular polarizer became necessary and why that is not a requirement with mirrorless camera's. Hint, semi silvered.