GW Teases Bigger Plans for The Old World | Warhammer The Old World
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- It's been a few months since Warhammer: The Old World came out, and the popularity of the game has clearly been noticed back at Games Workshop, because they've just teased that the scope of the game is grown and that more content could be on the way.
But what do you think?
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It’s baffling to me how the old world popularity caught GW off guard. The majority of new players probably come from Total War and only peripherally heard about AoS.
Exactly im also more familiär with old World than aos cause of total war and in the future it is total war 40k.😮
GW aernt that smart. The killing of fantasy came under Kirby who was a terrible ceo.
@@MrGunnar177same guy who killed 40k too right?
"With the dwarfs hot in their heels".
Only time Dwarf are hot on the heels of anyone. 😂
I did say it with a smile 😂
That’s going in the book
This reveal was def done by Slayers, it was 'fast (for a dwarf)'
Short?!
I would love to see Araby. Ind and Nippon would also be cool.
Mordheim would be great to see again
Yes, it would awesome! And like said it does fit in with the whole kill team thing GW likes.
Badger GW enough and maybe they’ll relaunch that too 😸
I think that it is the best game that games workshop is ever made.
@@bradallen8971to me mordheim, bloodbowl and necromunda are the 3 top GW games + I play old world as I don't mind spending hours on a game of it, don't want to spend hours on 40k or AOS as it's not worth it to me when I could play one of the other games
So GW didnt predict what ppl want? First time?
I hope we get Dark Elves beyond Legacy PDFs. One day...
Crossing my fingers too 🤞🏻
same i hope they get a Har ganeth roster so you can take more then one witch elf unit as core
I've got dark elves army ready to go working on green skins but it's annoying that I can't play me dark elves army they should stop messing around and just release evreything and evrey army
@@josephnott2956 I've been chipping away at my dark elves, none of the core factions interest me and the only other armies I've been remotely invested in were Chaos Dwarfs and Skaven :D
dont tell anyone but.......
most tornament organizers will more than likelly allow legacy factions to participate so long as they have the correct base size.
I think the "overlap" concern is a fallacy that falls apart as soon as you look at the two games for more than a glance.
If AoS and Old World had any significant overlap, we'd have never ended up where we are.
By dint of being a skirmish game AoS competes more with 40K than WHFB actually
Not to mention that 'overlap' can serve as a gateway.
Lotta Chaos players found an easy access point between WFB and 40K back when the big gribbly daemons were allowed square bases in both games
I heard it has to do with team evaluation. The AoS team is judged by how well AoS models sell, and the same goes for the Specialist Games section.
So, by limiting overlap, GW higher ups can more easily see how each team does.
@@andrewbakescakes9684 not really. AoS sold A LOT of miniatures to people who wanted them for the old world in the last 3 months (I’m one of them). One of the questions people have is if these purchases will go to boost AoS even if they were not made for AoS.
@@Tulkash01 - Oh, I am well aware of this. AoS was hugely hated when it launched, and people were buying up the old WHFB kits for old games of 8th, and other projects like 9th Age.
But I think GW had these kits "port over" to AoS to entice players to their new game.
Skaven are what got me into fantasy in the first place so it’s a shame that we won’t have them in the old world. I hope that’s not true but I also hope that age of Sigmar models some of these can be used in both old world and Age of Sigmar especially rank-and-file troops. and maybe age of. Sigmar is just killteam fantasy and old world is small apocalypse
Skaven are alive and well in any tournament outside warhammer world in Nottingham.
if warhammer fantasy got the same support as age of sigmar has since it launched, then it never would have failed in the first place
Age of sigmar also went through like 4-5 years of hell first though
Yeah, I think it only found it’s feet properly in 3rd Ed.
8th ed had lots of support. Really only Brettonians got abandoned.
Competitive try-hards are what killed Fantasy in 8th...
The same people who bitched about the game requiring too many models & being too expensive, were the same toolbags pushing for 2750 - 3.2k pts to be the accepted "tournament standard".
The loudest & whiniest crowd calling for "balance" were the same mouth-breathers who would only run the filthiest whombo-combo lists imaginable & hopping on the latest power creep bandwagons. (*coughHighElvescough)
In the end, Fantasy simply became a very toxic & expensive investment.
The infamous 'Ard Boyz "incident" involving GW having to give away a 3,000pts Gnoblar army which was then "returned & exchanged for other product" at various local GW stores was such a perfect example of just how god-awful the Fantasy community had become.
@drunkenastarte5243 what happened with the 'ard Boyz incident?
The issue seems to be disagreements between GW and Forgeworld , that's what is holding Old-world from being fantasmical.
What disagreement? Aren't Forgeworld part of GW?
Forgeworld was done away with.
The problem is that seperate teams within GW are trying to produce seperate model ranges so their revenue can be compared to each other. That's probably why they are avoiding overlap and increased revenue for less effort between AOS and Old World.
It's just because GW isn't run very well & a big part of why I'm not a shareholder.
@@W1DO Yeah seems strange to leave a lot of cross sales between aos and old world on the table. GW is truly a company that has been failing upwards for decades.
@Th3D4nny yep, I was going to buy a AOS beastmen box for my son to use, but looks like I will need to wait or not bother. If GW had just offered to swap the round bases to square bases if I ordered from their webstore I'd even have bought direct.
I gotta correct you on a point Tom, yes it’s not a mainline game it is however an official specialist game. And it could be the case in the future they stock it in their specialist section.
Also staff aren’t not allowed to teach you how to play, it’s just theirs no starter set for them to demo with so they don’t actually have anything to teach you with yet.
You’re absolutely right - that is a better way to phrase it. My point, though, was simply to contrast ToW to 40k and AoS, and the fact that GW has been really surprised how this tier of game has performed, given it was largely a passion project by some Forge World staff. Warhammer sales staff were telling independent retailers as much when the latter were trying to restock during that launch weekend.
Personally, though, I don’t think we’ll see Starter Sets (they suggested they have no plans for those at Warhammer Fest 23) and the closest they’ve got to those are the new Batallion boxes, which are still missing rules and the like. Now, while plans do change - the prevalence of resin means that (like the other specialist games), it will likely be there in the background while 40K and AoS take up most of the stores. But Warhammer stores have very limited space anyways, and regional reps have been very clear with their expectations on how much of stores is dedicated to 40k, AoS and other boxes games - and they’ve been very clear that ToW isn’t to be stocked over those main sellers.
As for teaching - again, anything can change but, what is really interesting, is that my local Warhammer staff say they’d hate that (it takes too long to teach, and feel they would struggle to convert those to sales). At the end of the day, those stores are for converting lessons into customers, and ToW doesn’t fit that model as well as 40K and AoS do right now with their Spearhead and Combat Patrol sets.
We’ll see though - and anything is possible. In many ways, I hope I’m wrong there. 🤞🏻
@@TabletopTom I went to my local GW store in Oz buzzing for old world and I felt like the whole time the manager was putting the hard sell for AOS product on me. It was like the old times when warhammer fantasy players were getting hassled to buy space marines.
As long as they don't keep changing the lore to make it more "Modern" it will be fine.
Yes if it morphs into an AOS type game I will fully abandon it
They kinda started doing that already with woman knights in Brettonia. I myself was not that bothered by that change but I feel like that change was only made to pander.
incoming girl bosses and high elves of colour
@@mikkelangelokers9965 I know, and they are going to do the same with Chaos warriors when they release. The main issue with female bretonnian knights is that GW teamed up with FFG to make a 150+ page book about the culture of bretonnia and it has a thing about female bretonnian knights, and the tldr version is.
"If a Women (Noble) attempts to be a knight the lord of the realm will send her on non-stop valor quests until she either dies or puts a dress back on and acts like a Bretonnian lady again"
But yes they changed it to pander.
I feel like starting small with the option to expand, rather than over-promising and under-delivering, is a smart play. Themed 'seasons' that cover particular historical events are a great way of bringing legacy factions in.
After the current armies are released, culminating in 'the Great War against Chaos', the Skaven could be brought in with a release/season/campaign focused on the second Great Council of 13 consolidating their power and once more turning their attention to the world above rather than the costly internecine warfare they'd waged amongst themselves for the preceding two centuries.
Lizardmen could be brought in with Daemons during the week the sun turned jet black in 2321, where daemons manifested throughout all of Lustria, or along with the Dark Elves for an event about the Druchii raid on the Citadel of Dusk.
That sort of thing.
Means they don't have to do everything all at once, they can take their time to get things right as they come out. "There is only one way to eat an elephant: one bite at a time"
It would be nice if they released a starter box, with two small armies, not saying it needs to be load of minis, but that would really help new players I think, just having a small launch pad thats not too exspensive while still bringing 2 player action
One thing I’d do for the old world is make it to where it is set after the events of storm of chaos where the forces of order managed to stop the end times and reveal that the timeline from AOS can occasionally have portals to the SOC timeline open up to leave room for certain things from AOS showing up from time to time
I think we might see some of the legacy factions come to TOW when the core units that overlap with AOS finish getting updated (e.g. ogre gluttons + leadbelchers, skinks etc). I think Ogre Kingdoms and Lizardmen are most likely. Chaos Dwarfs are probably out of the question since they're basically confirmed for AoS. Think dark elves are unlikely since AOS is geared to bring back Malekith, my guess in 2026 or 27.
Honestly, I think we're more likely to see Kislev and Cathay get models+rules than VC and Skaven (yes, even with the 'no Cathay and Kislev for now' WarCom post).
One of the rumours I've seen around for 4e AOS is that one of the model design team's goals is to replace the main models that overlap with WFB with new updated AOS sculpts. The happy consequence of this is some of those legacy factions might be able to make their way back into TOW. That's all a rumour, though. Who knows what's actually going on in Nottingham.
Drop skaven from AoS too and give them back to us
This is the kind of video i was looking for. Most videos are for original fans and for ppl who have played before. This video helps newcomers like me
Where can I read this article ?
I am a lore enthousiast and have played warhammer fantasy tabletop rpg for a long time, and I am looking to try to get into Old World as a game, at least try and see if it has the same flaws as 40k for a casual player : accessibility. So I am really looking forward to Old World, I love the setting and I hope the rules are fun.
I would really like the sources please, thank you and have a good day
I want Skaven, Dark Elves, Vampire Count, and Ogre Kingdom. For skirmish battles I want Mordheim. The 6th edition had skirmish games. Like a lot in Bretonnia, White Dwarve, GW website.
Well - if they want to reintroduce some factions, all they need to do is to release a DLC called "The New World" - with Dark Elves of Naggaroth, Lustria's Lizardmen, Sartosa Vampires (vampire counts) and Pestilens Skaven (Lustria). And since Lustria and Naggaroth are so far away, they don't have to stick with TOW timeline, they can introduce new narrative in different times.
i would be glad to see some fixes to the legacy pdfs.
some base sizes need to be updated, some unit options are missing...
6:00-6:20 It’s funny because they did that when they launched a lord of the rings tabletop game and it hurt fantasy’s sales
Money will speak, if the TOW is successful games workshop will develop the game to a higher level
If Mordheim comes back I'm in.
having roleplay rpg style campaigns would be fun too
Solid reasoning. One point that was missed is the rumour that GW also transitioned from the Old World as it was too difficult for them to establish IP over the factions. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but if it is it could be prove a challenge to them investing in the Old World completely. This is especially the case when 3D printing makes generic dwarves, elves and so on much more accessible and able to be produced more quickly at a fraction of the cost.
I cannot imagine GW not bringing Chaos Daemons into The Old World. Daemons were present at the Siege of Praag.
They almost certainly will - the way GW phrased it was very much a ‘not yet’ (I.e probably when Asavar has started his campaign in earnest)
It's a missed opportunity, cross promotion is a good thing. If they where smart you could buy a basic box of unit x and depending on what game / setting you wanted to use them for you could buy a sprue kit for them. So they have the regalia, weapon options and look and feel that fit the setting.
I don't think the lag of some Faction in the game for now has anything to do with these Factions being prominently featured in AOS. If this was the case, it would be executed way more consequent than it is now. Besides Beastmen and some Chaos units almost the whole range of Gloomspite Gitz is playable as nightgoblins in TOW. This seems to be forgotten most of the time this non overlapping AOS/TOW discussion comes up since nightgoblins are not a major faction in The Old World. I know that we can expect some older nightgoblins plastic kits to come back but this will not include things like the Arachnarok Spider, Spidercavalry and Sqiugrelated stuff. All of these are included in the ravening hordes book. Same goes for Savage Orc's/Orruks wich are also includes as upgrades for some basic Orc Units. You simply will have to buy AOS models if you want to include them in TOW. There is actually no sign that this will change in the future. So there we have "overlapping" wich seems to be permanent for an official supported TOW and AOS faction/s. Even some Ogre Kingdoms Units are included in the Orc's and Goblins Arcane Journal as mercanaries. And this will just be released by the end of the week. ;-) My guess is that the supported faction at the start of TOW are only there for a more precise massurement of sales for the start of the release to have a clue for future releases roadmap. This makes especially sense when you take a look at the starting factions which never had an official appearence in AOS. So my hopes are, that when everythings goes the way it goes now we will get more well known and beloved factions back. There are actually no economical reasons for not doing so if sales are going well. There will be exclusive Factions for both games anyways. I'm curiose what your thoughts about this are.
Sorry for my sloppy englisch. I'm just a german dude loving warhammer. ;-)
Would like to see a full release of the Dark Elves Army!
😃🎉
I think GW was underestimating how much the bad management and real lack of exploring stuff to general people was a contributor in Fantasy not being that popular. The rules def are more complex than AoS's, but I think the amount of people turned off by that are a lot smaller than they realized. I joined the hobby a few year in Total Warhammer 2, and i certainly love my Sylvanneth and Seraphon armies i've built, I don't dislike AoS, I just think they seem to treat it as competition for Fantasy in ways that are kind of silly. Beyond one setting using some of the lore ideas of the other (while changing most character into wholly different people lol) it's a different setting and a different wargame experience.
Besides Cathay and kislev, I hope we will get factions like estalia, tilea, ind, khuresh or Nippon
"There's a bit of a sour note in the community" I see that you've encountered a fandom before.
ETA, 40K is concentrating on the human factions too much, I'd rather not see Fantasy go down the same route.
I'm definitely still holding out hope for Cathay. I want my Terracotta Sentinels and Sky Lanterns!
As far as legacy armies coming back, GW quite literally said their initial founding goal for the game was to delete Skaven and Vampire Counts from the game, and then they chose a time period that would allow for that and then went forward from there.
As such there's zero chance of them coming back because GW was very specifically making a point of deleting them wholesale. That was the entire goal.
Very true, but that was then, this is now. I agree that Skaven won’t get a refresh - they’re an AoS faction through and through now, but anything non-AoS could be a contender if GW is looking at a new Made-to-Order run 👍🏻
@@TabletopTomyes it’s clear GW wants to have clear model range differences for all it major games ( 40k, AOS, hours Heresy, ow, etc). Skaven, VC are staying in AOS. But I definitely see them updating the clear old world lines like Tomb Kinds and Empire in the future.
I wouldn't discount Skaven or Vampire Counts coming back. Both factions are extremely popular within the Warhammer Fantasy community - look at Vermintide, Thanquol in Gotrek & Felix books, CA Skaven obsession and the appeal of the VC aesthetic.
Age of Sigmar only started becoming more popular once they started feeding back into the Warhammer Fantasy aesthetic. There is also the fact that as of yet, there has been no successful AoS videogame release.
GW likes money and those models would sell.
@@ShadowPhoenixMaximusyeah and GW has made it apparent they sell perfectly fine in AOS. They have shown no interest in bridging the systems since repackaging them and marketing them would probably cost them more money than any they would recoup cross platforming. And they have only been going out their way to separate all their systems. On top of all that the video games they don’t care about that much since there is no actual evidence it actually leads to direct model sales. Plus now that it is known more AOS games are coming that excuse is about to end soon probably.
@@ShadowPhoenixMaximus A) GW's contempt for the Skaven is legendary. GW HATES the Skaven. Furthermore, it's well known that GW lets their designers operate from personal favoritism and biases.
B) GW is operating under the assumption that if you are interested in TOW and AoS you will happily buy two full armies, one for each, rather than have your army and just buy rulebooks for the other game too and thereby give GW money that you wouldn't if you have to buy an entire new army.
C) I'm not discounting them, GW is. Again, this was GW's words. They specifically sought to delete those armies from the game. That was their actual goal for it.
AoS as a setting is FAR inferior to ”Fantasy”. That is the main thing, not the rules.
Avoiding overlap between factions is stupid. They could literally sell the same kits to different playerbases. It's basically free money, but they can't see it.
Until they bring back the rats, I mean officially bring them back not just a legacy pdf, I wont commit to old world.
If GW wants to make a fantasy game accessible, the best things they can do is to make the AoS app more like the 40k one and start support for LOTR again. The best thing they can do for me is resurrect the Nippon faction
The “you need 2k points to play” is a proof GW didn’t understand the idea of promoting the game at different point levels and community pushed for moar minis on the table as opposed to actually having fun at the table.
Want to play? Get 750pts of models - essentially a Spearhead equivalent. No unit can be larger than 1.5x their starting size (so up to 7 of 5+ cav/infantry, 4 of 3+ monsters, 15 of 10+ infantry and 30 of 20+ infantry) or over 250pts and army needs to follow the usual % restrictions too. If you feel your unit is accidentally unjustifiably hit by those rules, have a chat with your opponent and agree on something reasonable. You can only have one character - he’s the general, can’t be wizard of level 3+ and can’t cost more than 150pts total. Go have fun and paint more minis, it doesn’t need to be competitive but “official” guidance would help.
Get through the 9 main factions. Keep the hype up, keep the sales up and they’ll update the rest of the legacy factions then if it carries on well we’ll get cathay and Kislev and maybe more. It’s all about hype and sales. May take a couple years but if it carries on being a success we will get it
Focus is on the years leading up to Kul’s invasion. Therefore it can’t be a potpourri of every faction.
I believe they were quite clear on this…?
That was the intent, but why can’t we now see other eras, regions and factions after that initial campaign? They simply said the project scope had grown, and that could mean a lot of things, but it feels like that timeline could also have grown somewhat. We’ll have to see.
If they release Skaven they will easily extract $500+ from me. I want them to give me a reason to play the old world
Skirmish in Warhammer Fantasy? Mordheim!
Well what ever the details of the discussion in the comments. I just want more OW stuff. :)
lol- the "sold out" products are sold out because:
a) they produce them in very little numbers
b) OOP models reached absolutely crazy price points on e-buy
Thats it!
after what happened to warhammer 3 i have pretty much made the whole thing a wait and see what happens going forward
Well they did kind of tease Grand Cathay as well with that small model of a jade lion they released recently.
But i rather see a Nippon army.
Suggesting GW cares that a player may need to buy too many miniatures to play TOW is ridiculous. Their whole gaming model is based on continually releasing new minis, and when that doesn't work, change the rules to make you buy once poor parts of the army that are suddenly good.
I think a better way to put is that ‘GW cares that you’re not so intimidated about the size and cost of an army, that you walk out of the store altogether’ - that’s why we now have Spearhead and Combat Patrol formats (they’ve very accessible for new players, and easy to learn). I think we often talk about this from our perspective, and forget that - at the end of the day - these decisions are often (but not always) based on how easy it is to persuade a mum or dad of a 12 year old to spend £100 on plastic models and paints (and that’s just for starters).
GW always seem to shoot themselves in the foot with Warhammer Fantasy/Old World. Like their (awful) store should really list all the models used in 8th edition, and are still around in AoS in the Old World section. Best examples are Daemons and Beastmen whose entire ranges are from 8th edition, and having the Dark Elf, Empire, Dwarves and Skaven listed will help newer player to find them. I see a number of people asking the online groups I'm apart of if "x model is able to go on a square base" and it's a old 8th edition model.
I need some giant quotation about the "success" of odl world, something more than, model sold out on the site, that don't actually tell us anything based on how we have 0 insight on how much was produced.
I mean, check out the Facebook Communities, Reddit forums, or wealth of RUclips content. 🤷🏻♂️ It’s pretty clear this game is a winner.
Well truth is you can never know for sure. I mean there’s stuff from fan groups but those will always say it’s positive. As long as they keep bringing it up officially it should be fine.
@@gwell2118 I wouldn't say that. Old World marketing lead to a lot of negativity around the new game. The removal of half the Warhammer Fantasy factions was just the icing on the cake for some. Many of the negative comments revolved around seeing Old World as nothing more than a cash grab. The changes to the lore and setting, especially through the first "Old World" Black library novel further bolstered the negativity.
Im still angry about cocid. I was told by a designer they where planning on bringing dark future back but covid meant they had to scrap it and it was never taken back up.
If they didn’t want overlap they should have made some actual original factions for AOS instead of lazily taking everything from WHFB and just changing it a bit
Tell me you don’t understand economics.
Future plans .. printing more copies of the rules?
come on daemons! i need one more mode i can bring my collection to!
Very few Total War-players go into table top gaming. It is HUGE step with the hobby and all. Loads of people moan about this but it is simply not a huge thing.
Legacy armies are all the interesting ones.
If only they waited until after Total War came out, they would have been able to keep WFB going.
I hope they bring back Mordheim...
I sayed this to some of my disapointed buddys, stay calm when there is one thing that GW wants more then anything else it is MONEY. And when the old world is bringing the numbers you will get your stuff. So i predict its will happened !
I miss Warhammer Age of Reckoning.
the age of sigma overlap argument doesn't make sense. if that was the reason then why put out wood elves all the forest spirit units are a age of sigma faction and most of the elves are part of cities of sigma same goes for dwarfs tho I think some of that is redundant with the new cites range but then the slayers are also their own factions and I think some things like the gyrocopter's kinda cross over to the over lords then why make an exception for chaos warriors? and why would cross compatible kits be a bad things they have literally done it with demons since rouge trader days?
I think they deliberately limited them selves to nine factions as a trial run in the same way they did for necromunda and to an extent blood bowl if the game didn't sell they could scrap it their with out looking like they had cut their losses and ran and since it has been vary successful so far they can plan for a second release like they did with necromunda and blood bowl. which would include a new core box release with a revised rule book, and they will probably move to more traditional army books which will make the arcane journals obsolete, they could also give us an old school magic expansion with more refined magic schools and spells.
The wood elves are no longer in cities of sigmar. Eventually all of the fantasy era models will be dropped from aos and moved to old world.
Rewrite the End Times in a proper story or even a campaign in Total War .
I was so happy when the Old World finally became a reality and I was all in to start Night Gobbo Army until GW stated that most of the units would be cast using their original molds using resin or even units that were last seen cast in metal....
Then I saw the Orc Big'uns models and my heartsank. Despite GW's expectation that Old world players will purchase Old World units in their original sculpts, a lot of us are already using AoS equivalents since they look so much better. Some of the Orc units that contain Boars have varying degrees of the quality of their sculpts, so if AoS has an equivalent, layers will likely use the most updated versions if they look better from AoS.
Some units still hold up incredibly welll, for example, most of the Trroll Sculpts look fantastic, especially River Trolls and the Troll Hag...Night Gobbos are staple of the Gloomspite Gits in all of their Squiggy glory, I was sad that I didn't pick up the Squig Avalanche Army box to save for the Old World Release...my local gaming store even had 1 copy left over and he took it off the shelf and admitted he placed it ouot back and had no plans to sell it off the shelf which I found frustrating.
Then there is he issue of which books are needed to play a Night Gobbo army which I find confusing and instantly got the impression that its a lot which means the initial up front buy in will require at least 3-4 books? Maybe?
If I could have, Skaven were going to be my first Old World army considering their updating the range and they have some really cool Underworld teams. But GW insists on sticking by their original statement, especially with Skaven saying in legacy mode...
Yet I still haeve a love for the old school Dwarven aesthetic with their beards growing all the way down to their feet plus you gota love their Helicopters, Cannons, Organ Cannons, Crossbowmen, Long Beard Vets, Rangers, RunePriests, Engineers, etc..
It seems to be already outdoing 30k which I assumed would happen if they ever brought back Fantasy...
We need Kislev. For the Tzarina! For Ursun! FOR THE MOTHERLAND!
GW uses artificial scarcity as marketing ploy. So any time you hear They won't do this, they won't do that... It's opposite day. Always. There's not one darn line that they don't eventually intend to bring back. They just jerk the chains to see people holler skip and yowl. As here.
Secondly, I talked to the commanders of my skaven army and they told me they don't give two rosy reds whether Nottingham decides to support their conquest of the Old World or nye. They told me in ratspeak that they prefer the rules that I homebrewed for them and they prefer the company of ratmen I kitbash and models we make using our Own intrinsic creativity, so Nottingham can just go right ahead administering to the needs of the lemmings and making rules, nerfing this and buffing that to increase sales (i mean uhm excuse me "balancing" nudge nudge wink wink ...you bet.) Lol. I mean please...make rats illegal. Yeah right.
The notion that c-suite management gives a left handed hj about what the fans and audience actually want is laughable. Designers don’t make decisions.
There's a rumour that Beasts of Chaos are being dropped??
Been hearing rumours about this for years. Even before the battletome for them released 😂
They would have to be if their in the old world.
Im not buying ToW till I see some actual effort in new models, not just old molds that have paid themselves off already over 25 years and being charged 400 dollars for a box.
Keeping “Core” - it’s not in AoS, someone should be fired
There is no cannibalization here - it just will stop players not being to play at tournaments, so increasing the use of 3rd party and 3d in regular games ; ergo, no GW sales
Would love to see Mordhiem - but they already have a skirmish game
Still mad they lie about Kislev and Catay factions
I think i'll wait for Cathay to finally arrive before going back to the old world. I honestly grew up more with AoS than I did with fantasy, but this army in particular...when its here, i'll collect the hell out of it !
Being sold out isnt something to say its that popular - so much stuff is sold out on GW site and it is down to the well documented issues they have with supply and demand currently.
I played fantasy, i was there when it died and i was there playing sigmar when that started - i have no desire to go back to rank and flank, but im glad that those who do get to play with thier toys.
Bring back Mordheim!
Pretty sure it just leaked old world is dead again.
I think more people should stop worrying about that's the latest release and stick to play a game they love.
Get the minis you like and use them how you want. Why not making a custom mercenary unit in Old World using Warcry models (heresy, i know), why not using Empire models to represent your Cities of Sigmar (oh wow what a leap right)
Enjoy AoS2.0? Play that
Enjoy 40k 7th ed? Great, play that!
Have fun put there guys, keep bitterness at bay by collecting the _models_ that you like, not the game. The game is an excuse for collecting 🤫😉
Well said! 👍🏻
Chaos Dwarfs'
I'm going to stick to Skaven and I will be buying second hand GW don't support my faction I won't support GW.
Definitively would be interested in a skirmish game in the WHF setting. Not a fan of the rank and flank style of the old world and also a bit worried about the time commitment of such a game. Basically, I want warcry in the cooler setting :D
In my view the issue with 8th was that they made both 40k and Fantasy bigger in scale and more killy. 40k and AoS havent really changed from that philosophy. Thats why its not a surprise to me that the old world is going down well. Its what a lot of us wanted even during 8th
I hope there is an update for my baguette wielding knights 🥲