I'm really liking the features of this RH25. Handheld, Helmet Mounted, Standalone Weapon Mounted, or as a Clip-On in front of a Day Optic. Very impressive indeed.
At 3.58 min into vid a bird flys up into a tree to the left of Jay walking from the feeder. Jay, how far is that back treeline the bird flys up in to and lands.
Hey Sure Shot, I’m loving my RH25 as well. I’m finding that it is a true short to mid range device when used as a clip on and like you mentioned in a comment, is not ideal for longer range use. Which clip on(s) would you recommend for LR thermal hunting, say between 300-600 yards. Those shots would be few and far between of course, and likely only on predators and pests. I figure any suggestion will be $$$$, but just curious what you’d suggest.
Awesome overview. The view off to distance is totally doable with an acog. I'm getting more and more excited about the RH25. Did you say it came with the QD mount though?
I don't know if he said but it doesn't ... and it doesn't "come with" the pictail (dovetail) ether. $300+ for the quick release mount. $130 for the pictail. It does come with a rail mount however.
I bought an equivalent device (Infiray PFN 640+) from Europe, but it comes with a pretty basic--and too tall--picatinny mount and minirail interface. Looking to replace those with the US alternatives you demoed... once they're available.
Hello Jay, which unit has the better picture (for handheld/helmet mounted), the MH25 or the RH25? Looking at RH25 footage it seems to me that the picture is oversharpened, one often can see an annoying whitish "halo" around structures (for example twigs) and additionally the high- and lowtemperature objects are resolved very well but the middleground of the temperaturerange is often very mushy/only flat grey where the MH25 seems to give more balanced results, especially without this oversharpening on the borders of structures/objects (?). 2.) Does the MH25 have the same rolling-shutter problem as the RH25, means: the pictures get distorted diagonally when the device is moved from left to right past a scene or an object is moving from left to right past the device, the faster the more pronounced the effect gets? 3.) What is the SHORTEST working distance on both devices at which you can get a sharp picture? Optimum would at armlength of course. Thanks in advance!
It appears the image quality suffers significantly when using with the ACOG behind the thermal. Is that due to the way you are recording it? Also could this be used in front of longer range optics that have a base power of 4? Such as a 4-16 or 4.5-27?
Anytime you use a thermal optic as a clip on the image will degrade with added magnification. As the magnification increases, the pixel count decreases, thus lowering the image resolution. To answer your question though, yes some of the clarity is lost due to the recording method. It is better in person with the acog but not as sharp as it is without it. The Micro is a short to mid range thermal clip on, I have used it with a 3-12 Schmidt And Bender and it isn’t an ideal scope to use. I recommend using it with a 1-10 Vortex Razor, 4x32 Acog, 1-4 Elcan, 1-6 Elcan or anything similar.
Thanks! The MH25 can’t be used as a clip on but the Micro can. The Mh25 is plastic and the Micro is aluminum so much more durable. And believe it or not, the image from the Micro is a bit sharper of an image than the MH25.
@@offffofof there are several 45 degree mounts on the market. They are all similar quality it seems, any of them should work. Just pop a rmr from trijicon on there and your good to go.
I haven’t yet. Just the RH25 units. From my experience with the 384 IRay cores, they will be really clear for the price and will definitely get the job done for less coin. But the RL will not be clip on capable.
@@sureshotnightvision8540 hey brother. I was looking on Midwest Thermal Optics and their website says that the 384 version is clip on compatible. I was looking at buying one (just can’t shell out 6k right now for the 640, even though I wish I could)… can you confirm where you got this info? I don’t want to get it if it’s not clip on compatible, I’d just go with another thermal scope like the Rico bravo or Bolt
@@forestnfren8146 yes, but I was just hoping to get more elaboration of his thoughts on how it ran before I buy a $6000 piece of equipment to put in front of my scope
One question. How do you zero? Just cowitness with your zeroed optics reticle? Or are you literally using your scopes reticle through the thermal? Great video. Thanks!
Just use the optic behind the thermal. That’s the benefit of a clip-on, no need to re-zero. You can also use this thermal as a dedicated optic, it has 1x and 4x digital zoom, and displays its own reticle in standalone mode.
@@sureshotnightvision8540 so once that's done you can take it on and off and it will return to zero? Can you do that for multiple weapons systems and save that on the menu for return to zeros on multiple weapons?
It will be very close on multiple weapon systems once you collimate it the first time but since it only takes about 1 minute to complete the process I double check it when I change weapons to be sure.
The average Joe in bidens America doesn’t have 6k lying around to drop on a thermal I’m gonna try to get an agm rattler and maybe one day sell a kidney to upgrade to one of these
I'm really liking the features of this RH25. Handheld, Helmet Mounted, Standalone Weapon Mounted, or as a Clip-On in front of a Day Optic. Very impressive indeed.
Just the 6 grand that I don't like.
@@easymoney1776
As someone told me: While Guns are expensive, Night Vision & Thermal are an entirely different Tax Bracket.
@@easymoney1776 the next thing available that size is 15k
I have the SkeetIRx and just got the RH25. You are definitely sacrificing performance with the RH25.
15000, you gotta be...
The feeling when watching this hunter shoot is like standing before a top athlete. Incredibly impressive!
Unit is way more impressive than I anticipated. Great video & excellent info.
Damn, thanks for this video... I wasn't sure how well this setup works with a trijicon acog
Great video. This unit just went on sale for $5,000 and I grabbed it.
Sweet rig you have. Top tier equipment.
Very cool and excellent “to the point” video.
I’m buying this model tomorrow. Thanks so much for the info provided in your video
How do you find it? I just ordered mine.
Good video Jay. Much appreciated.
Your very welcome sir
those pixels looked really good @ 4x.
Curious to see 8x
What hight is mount (lower 1/3rd, co-witness with irons, multiple options)????????
At 3.58 min into vid a bird flys up into a tree to the left of Jay walking from the feeder. Jay, how far is that back treeline the bird flys up in to and lands.
Ha, sure does! The far back tree line is 285-300yrds.
Thanks for the video through the acog thats cool
Hey Sure Shot, I’m loving my RH25 as well. I’m finding that it is a true short to mid range device when used as a clip on and like you mentioned in a comment, is not ideal for longer range use.
Which clip on(s) would you recommend for LR thermal hunting, say between 300-600 yards. Those shots would be few and far between of course, and likely only on predators and pests.
I figure any suggestion will be $$$$, but just curious what you’d suggest.
Great video but is it possible to get some footage of the view from the acog when the thermals mounted? I am wonder if the tritium to bloomed out.
Could you use this with a red dot like an EOTECH?
Awesome overview. The view off to distance is totally doable with an acog. I'm getting more and more excited about the RH25. Did you say it came with the QD mount though?
I don't know if he said but it doesn't ... and it doesn't "come with" the pictail (dovetail) ether.
$300+ for the quick release mount. $130 for the pictail. It does come with a rail mount however.
Nice review. Thanks.
Cool video! Are those mounts already available? And I guess one needs the RH25 side adapter as well?
Yes the mounts will ship with the micro. Not sure what you mean by side adapter though.
I bought an equivalent device (Infiray PFN 640+) from Europe, but it comes with a pretty basic--and too tall--picatinny mount and minirail interface. Looking to replace those with the US alternatives you demoed... once they're available.
Hello Jay, which unit has the better picture (for handheld/helmet mounted), the MH25 or the RH25?
Looking at RH25 footage it seems to me that the picture is oversharpened, one often can see an annoying whitish "halo" around structures (for example twigs) and additionally the high- and lowtemperature objects are resolved very well but the middleground of the temperaturerange is often very mushy/only flat grey where the MH25 seems to give more balanced results, especially without this oversharpening on the borders of structures/objects (?).
2.) Does the MH25 have the same rolling-shutter problem as the RH25, means: the pictures get distorted diagonally when the device is moved from left to right past a scene or an object is moving from left to right past the device, the faster the more pronounced the effect gets?
3.) What is the SHORTEST working distance on both devices at which you can get a sharp picture? Optimum would at armlength of course.
Thanks in advance!
How is accuracy with just putting it in front of ACOG?
Are you using it in "clip on" mode? Can you do a video on collimating it?
AFAIK there is no collimation. You are entirely dependent on the repeatability of the mount.
It appears the image quality suffers significantly when using with the ACOG behind the thermal. Is that due to the way you are recording it? Also could this be used in front of longer range optics that have a base power of 4? Such as a 4-16 or 4.5-27?
Anytime you use a thermal optic as a clip on the image will degrade with added magnification. As the magnification increases, the pixel count decreases, thus lowering the image resolution. To answer your question though, yes some of the clarity is lost due to the recording method. It is better in person with the acog but not as sharp as it is without it. The Micro is a short to mid range thermal clip on, I have used it with a 3-12 Schmidt And Bender and it isn’t an ideal scope to use. I recommend using it with a 1-10 Vortex Razor, 4x32 Acog, 1-4 Elcan, 1-6 Elcan or anything similar.
Nice video 👍🏻😎 how would this compare to their MH-25?
Thanks!
The MH25 can’t be used as a clip on but the Micro can. The Mh25 is plastic and the Micro is aluminum so much more durable. And believe it or not, the image from the Micro is a bit sharper of an image than the MH25.
How does this image compare to the Nvision Nox image?
Very close image from the two. I would say the Micro is just as good if not just a bit sharper than the NOX.
Sweet!!!
Maybe I missed it. Do you vote nox or this?
What’s the battery life like ?
How can you add a backup sight on these thermals? other then 45degree mount
Yes that could be done no problem.
@@sureshotnightvision8540 whats your solution?
@@offffofof there are several 45 degree mounts on the market. They are all similar quality it seems, any of them should work. Just pop a rmr from trijicon on there and your good to go.
Have you had any time behind the 384 RL25? I’m very interested in seeing what you think about that model?
I haven’t yet. Just the RH25 units. From my experience with the 384 IRay cores, they will be really clear for the price and will definitely get the job done for less coin. But the RL will not be clip on capable.
@@sureshotnightvision8540 Awesome, thanks for the fast reply. 👍
@@sureshotnightvision8540 hey brother. I was looking on Midwest Thermal Optics and their website says that the 384 version is clip on compatible. I was looking at buying one (just can’t shell out 6k right now for the 640, even though I wish I could)… can you confirm where you got this info? I don’t want to get it if it’s not clip on compatible, I’d just go with another thermal scope like the Rico bravo or Bolt
I'm thinking about picking one up, how well does it work when clipped on in front of an acog?
My guy, thats literally the setup used as an example in the very video you are commenting.
@@forestnfren8146 yes, but I was just hoping to get more elaboration of his thoughts on how it ran before I buy a $6000 piece of equipment to put in front of my scope
One question. How do you zero? Just cowitness with your zeroed optics reticle? Or are you literally using your scopes reticle through the thermal? Great video. Thanks!
Just use the optic behind the thermal. That’s the benefit of a clip-on, no need to re-zero. You can also use this thermal as a dedicated optic, it has 1x and 4x digital zoom, and displays its own reticle in standalone mode.
@@grantgarlock5956 great, thanks
fuck man, im stuck between a trijicon thermal helmet mountable or the rh25
Did you say that was a Req Jammer mount?
Yes it’s the RQE JAMR
Is this unit fully collumated when used as a clip on?
Once you adjust the collimation in the collimation menu yes it’s spot on. The whole process takes about 1 minute and can be done in your living room.
@@sureshotnightvision8540 so once that's done you can take it on and off and it will return to zero? Can you do that for multiple weapons systems and save that on the menu for return to zeros on multiple weapons?
It will be very close on multiple weapon systems once you collimate it the first time but since it only takes about 1 minute to complete the process I double check it when I change weapons to be sure.
@@sureshotnightvision8540 awesome thank you. This is what I've been waiting for.
Anyone use this on an M1A? The forward slap of the action is hard on optics.
The average Joe in bidens America doesn’t have 6k lying around to drop on a thermal I’m gonna try to get an agm rattler and maybe one day sell a kidney to upgrade to one of these