Thanks to everyone helping me with testing and sharing your results with this strategy! Please check my updated guide for tweaked strategy to consider Mark 6 as 2nd Reinforcement - ruclips.net/video/WFLmcnyBOoc/видео.html
Thanks for this video, I was trying this same composition last night but lost a bunch of times. Watching this video, I realized it was because I was AOEing before I got tenacity up so they were keeping up with the debuffs. Now I know how to correctly play it, thanks!
@@voxdraconia4035 if you missed the point any farther you'd be playing another game. This is the same as when Malak was released, everyone upgraded their assassin only to make that investment worthless. They made yet another change that made people's investment worthless. When people upgrade characters it's to make the team more effective (you know the point of upgrading to begin with). The ship was necessary before hand, now it's useless. I don't know how that's so hard to understand. This is not the same as releasing a new character to counter an old meta (just in case you try and waste my time with that "argument")
Doing the Lord's work with this video, for all of us who are too lazy to read Ship kits ... I mean, who has time for that? Seriously though, thanks for this. I've been using your prior counter and am so glad you were able to explain how to use this new variant. And yes, I do remember the SASS nerf -- though it was at least as much to do with stopping Palpatine counters to Darth Revan as when Malak came out, people were using Palp Vader to tm train DR into the ground ... good times!
Profundity also still works, same tactics as with SF. Instead of Biggs you must deploy Cassian. Second special on Dash, Instakill should go on Y-Wing (only possible goal). Try to kill Dagger asap.
I think I'm getting the hang of this, but there is a real danger of timing out even after reaching ult. I immediately put into auto after ult and still won with just less 20 seconds to spare. I have two opponents in my shard who would bring out Mk6 as the 2nd reinforcement. In both cases they didn't hit my dagger. If they did I almost certainly would have timed out even if I would still be able to reach ult first. Thanks for the video. Nice content as always.
I have never ran into a case where they didn't pick my TIE Dagger. Mark VI always came out 2nd and ALWAYS took me TIE Dagger out. I have only avoid time out once in all 6 attempts that I reached ultimate. I wish BitDynasty would elaborate more on how to deal with the aftermath once you hit ultimate.
Some good news and bad. I followed your vid and was able to get my Ult first every time. The bad news. I timed out every time. His starting lineup was Dorito, B-28 and Fury class. Mine was Dorito, fury class and MarkVI. His first reinforcement was Sass and mine as well. Right before I hit my Alt he was able to get Mark VI out and take out a ship. Twice he took out Dorito and twice he hit MarkVI. When I hit Alt, it was either 4-5 or 5 on five...timeout. Should I start Sass over Dorito against this lineup?
yes can confirm the same, my shard mate removed Palp shuttle, so MK6 reinforced 2nd, win rates plummeted like you said... time out... will be doing more testing!
This was working great for me yesterday, but not today. Not sure if they tweaked the game, or if everyone's been giving lobster R9 which changes the dynamics.
CG: We think it's beyond your intellectual capacity to use two Leviathan setups. So we've changed the kits so that you have to use [checks notes] THREE different Lev setups. Also, is it just me or has the new fix broken shield disruption? Since the fix, that never lands anymore when I try to use it. Makes it very difficult to win if you lose the coin flip.
Yeah not sure what they were thinking... They said they were buffing it because of the Punishing One... But Executor still beats Leviathan... More buffs incoming?
So you have 3 battles exactly the same lineups for you and the enemy. Well if we run into the dagger lineup with bomber it helps. Any other lineup and we have no idea if anything changed.
Honestly this one worries me the most cause I don't have the 7* levi yet mines still 4* and the sith fighter trick at least could work with low stars still but idk if the same can be said this time around. we'll have to see but if I can't climb like before then hope will definitely be to get the extra relic mats back
@@Bitdynasty Ok I've been testing this for about 2-3 days now and from what I can tell there may be a small chance for it to work but the issue is that the speed difference between a 4 and 7 star Levi is enough that even if you slow down their abilities with mk 6 and tenacity up, they're getting more than enough turns to reach it anyhow. I think with higher relics on all the ships and the right timing you can blitz dagger out and be able to gain TM again but otherwise I don't think there's any direct way for low star Levis to win sadly (hate this update)
First time I’ve ever commented on one of your videos but I watch them often and you have great content and knowledge of the game. Thanks for being a great asset!
I've tried this a few times, and something keeps wrecking the cooldown on my mk6, so I can't get the second round of tenacity up, and then it's just a coin flip of who won the first go
@@Bitdynasty Yup. Coin flip lost, damage pathetic, ult race lost. Reddit post has similar mentions as my own experience, and -I am DS player so has decent mods and relic levels. Still mastering...This battle feels tiresome and tedious. Not fun at all. CG fakked up the meta fleet. 100%...
@@killereye Its not eventhe ult race lost - its just not enough time to get rid of all the ships unless you were very lucky...I wish the damn LEvi basic would hit liek a truck, not liek a noodle...
@@voxdraconia4035 TBH if we need to use the Levi basic (strong or not) we are playing the fleet badly: 1st engines 2nd reinforcement 3. hangars 4. reinforcement 5 ult...This is how the Levi works. If we need to use it's basic, then we aren't doing good, especially with the ult race with others. Maybe AFTER the ult race, both ships basic could deal 2x or even 3x damage so it helps clear the field faster. Or maybe have a debuff effect that helps with the kills.
Since yeyterday i got problems to win , i lose 12 times in a row against same enemy, yesterday and today wtf about coin flip ?! I tryd your taktik today but it dont funtion ,i got too many debuffs and enemy first starts ultimate, his ships running fast and cant get/keep tenacity and get debuffs, althoug my ships lvl were higher. I dont understand
I tryed so many time, it dont funtion to me because i cant destroy bomber fast and it end with timeout or he brings typ6 and kills one of mine, in your video it shows so easy. I dont know what to do
I don't get it. When I try mirror matches, opponents leviathan always explode hangar instead of calling second reinforcement. Do you have any ideas why could it be?
@Bitdynasty I have this problem when I start with Dagger, Fury and Mark VI. In 100% cases... Now tried to change Dagger for sith fighter and won. That's soooo weird...
Tried today first time ... still lost, ran out of time. I could not do enough damage to get rid of five ships, especially with the silly MK6 coming in. He did not even kill anyon as he targeted mine, but ...if he had it would have been even harder to destroy the rest of the enemy fleet. They still take too many terms and hence too much time...
Nice vid as usual. From my experience playing mirror matches ever since Levi came out every day, a reinforced Mark VI will prioritise my Mark VI, so it is usually not an issue.
Im using same old Bombeer, Fury, Ass, pretty easy so far. But protection disruption pretty much doesnt work anymore vs enemy bomber, but still Im fast enough to beat Dorito lineup. Ah, and Im not using Dorito even as reinforcement.
No more crystals income from fleet arena, gated by pay-to-win, instead of skill. Quitting the game, App uninstalled. And I won't be alone. They finally succed to kill the game with that upgrade that had a deathmark.
Second reinforcement is always mk6 that means you are fucked! And this counter doesn't work! Tried all sorts of things always same outcome TIMEOUT! My fleet: bomber fury sass are r9 others are r7 with all with 6e mods
@ tried this also... i have no patience. Switched to dagger bomber fury and just trying my luck on coin toss. At least i know if ill win at the beginning of the battle.
@Bitdynasty I didn't say it would be a good idea, just that the complaints wouldn't be about Mirror matches. But for me, I would prefer rely on my guild mates. They are good and I have to fight through a fleet mafia every day.
@@UtinniUtinni oh for sure moving crystals out of Fleet Arena would be useful, but could just add them to GAC also? Or maybe a part of personal raid track rewards? Just some event that you solely are responsible for as not every one are as lucky as you and I that have good guild mates :)
@Bitdynasty those options would be better. I just guess cg would go for TW first. They would need to revamp TW before they move crystals there. I'll vote for the options you mentioned though.
Thanks to everyone helping me with testing and sharing your results with this strategy! Please check my updated guide for tweaked strategy to consider Mark 6 as 2nd Reinforcement - ruclips.net/video/WFLmcnyBOoc/видео.html
They used this as an excuse to nerf the chimera counter and force is to play the game how they want us to play. We're not allowed to theory craft
true, they could just do the same as for Malak, that only Sith enemies can't gain bonus TM
Thanks for this video, I was trying this same composition last night but lost a bunch of times. Watching this video, I realized it was because I was AOEing before I got tenacity up so they were keeping up with the debuffs. Now I know how to correctly play it, thanks!
Glad it helped!
At least they refunded us the gear for assassin when malak came out, they're not even bothering to revert all our assassins back to R5
yeah, I guess so
Getting her to Relic 9 was silly anyway and not CGs fault - never was needed for the mirror, Bit showed how you won with Relics not mattering
@@voxdraconia4035 if you missed the point any farther you'd be playing another game. This is the same as when Malak was released, everyone upgraded their assassin only to make that investment worthless. They made yet another change that made people's investment worthless. When people upgrade characters it's to make the team more effective (you know the point of upgrading to begin with). The ship was necessary before hand, now it's useless. I don't know how that's so hard to understand. This is not the same as releasing a new character to counter an old meta (just in case you try and waste my time with that "argument")
At least she stay usefull for Bane.
Efficient and very well explained as always @BitDynasty! Awesome video!
Appreciate it!
Doing the Lord's work with this video, for all of us who are too lazy to read Ship kits ... I mean, who has time for that?
Seriously though, thanks for this.
I've been using your prior counter and am so glad you were able to explain how to use this new variant.
And yes, I do remember the SASS nerf -- though it was at least as much to do with stopping Palpatine counters to Darth Revan as when Malak came out, people were using Palp Vader to tm train DR into the ground ... good times!
Yeah it was to stop Palp train 🚆
When I have a problem I don’t rant, I go to see your channel to find a way to make my game experience better. Thx so much ❤
Happy to help!
I do both. I find that my chances of success are much higher if I combine bit dynasty tactics with complaining on discord
Profundity also still works, same tactics as with SF. Instead of Biggs you must deploy Cassian.
Second special on Dash, Instakill should go on Y-Wing (only possible goal).
Try to kill Dagger asap.
yeah, I have been testing Profundity next
I think I'm getting the hang of this, but there is a real danger of timing out even after reaching ult. I immediately put into auto after ult and still won with just less 20 seconds to spare.
I have two opponents in my shard who would bring out Mk6 as the 2nd reinforcement. In both cases they didn't hit my dagger. If they did I almost certainly would have timed out even if I would still be able to reach ult first.
Thanks for the video. Nice content as always.
I have never ran into a case where they didn't pick my TIE Dagger. Mark VI always came out 2nd and ALWAYS took me TIE Dagger out. I have only avoid time out once in all 6 attempts that I reached ultimate. I wish BitDynasty would elaborate more on how to deal with the aftermath once you hit ultimate.
Yeah have to auto after ult for sure
CG releases Leviathan: Optimal Line up, Dagger, B28, Fury. Players: Nah Bruh, Profundity 3 man. CG: DAMMIT! Buff Leviathan, Optimal Line up: Dagger, Fury, Bomber. Players: Nah Bruh, Bomber, Fury, Assassin or Chimaera. CG: DAMMIT AGAIN! Buffs Dagger, OPTIMAL LINE UP: DAGGER! BOMBER! FURY! Players: Nah Bruh, Dagger, Fury, Mk 6. CG: FU PLAYERS!
this is the way!
Some good news and bad. I followed your vid and was able to get my Ult first every time. The bad news. I timed out every time. His starting lineup was Dorito, B-28 and Fury class. Mine was Dorito, fury class and MarkVI. His first reinforcement was Sass and mine as well. Right before I hit my Alt he was able to get Mark VI out and take out a ship. Twice he took out Dorito and twice he hit MarkVI. When I hit Alt, it was either 4-5 or 5 on five...timeout. Should I start Sass over Dorito against this lineup?
yes can confirm the same, my shard mate removed Palp shuttle, so MK6 reinforced 2nd, win rates plummeted like you said... time out... will be doing more testing!
@@Bitdynasty thanks for info!
Yep. This happened to me too. I lose every single match when that line up is what I'm facing.
Yep. Without mk6 insta kill matches time out. Especially now that people are upgrading marauder to R9
Its crazy that you are winning and hit ult and have barely even made a dent on the enemy ships. Crazy fleet design
yes can drag on... did more testing today - an updated video coming shortly!
great job, worked good for me so far. It's a tedious battle though
nice one!
I haven’t seen the case where enemy tie dagger starts before yours. That’s why you haven’t lost probably
not sure the turn order matters?
This was working great for me yesterday, but not today. Not sure if they tweaked the game, or if everyone's been giving lobster R9 which changes the dynamics.
It works unless Mark 6 is their 2nd reinforcement... I am doing more testing to so how to improve this.
CG: We think it's beyond your intellectual capacity to use two Leviathan setups. So we've changed the kits so that you have to use [checks notes] THREE different Lev setups.
Also, is it just me or has the new fix broken shield disruption? Since the fix, that never lands anymore when I try to use it. Makes it very difficult to win if you lose the coin flip.
Yeah not sure what they were thinking... They said they were buffing it because of the Punishing One... But Executor still beats Leviathan... More buffs incoming?
So you have 3 battles exactly the same lineups for you and the enemy. Well if we run into the dagger lineup with bomber it helps. Any other lineup and we have no idea if anything changed.
if Dagger is not starting, nothing has changed :)
What decides which capital ship goes first? I'm 5 - 20 speed faster than the ones I fight but I go second 9/10 times.
it's a coin flip, we all have R9 Darth Revan with 6 dot mods, so we all have same speed on Leviathan... it's all RNG - you have 50% chance to go first
Honestly this one worries me the most cause I don't have the 7* levi yet mines still 4* and the sith fighter trick at least could work with low stars still but idk if the same can be said this time around. we'll have to see but if I can't climb like before then hope will definitely be to get the extra relic mats back
yeah not sure also, try it out and let us know :)
@@Bitdynasty Ok I've been testing this for about 2-3 days now and from what I can tell there may be a small chance for it to work but the issue is that the speed difference between a 4 and 7 star Levi is enough that even if you slow down their abilities with mk 6 and tenacity up, they're getting more than enough turns to reach it anyhow. I think with higher relics on all the ships and the right timing you can blitz dagger out and be able to gain TM again but otherwise I don't think there's any direct way for low star Levis to win sadly (hate this update)
Tried many times but it never goes the same as you showed... So confused
what goes wrong?
Thanks for this explanation video. Why is it important for the enemy Levi to go first?
Not important but it demonstrates it works in wordt case scenario. If you go first, you basically win regardless
not important, but if you go first it is way more simple to win!
I ran into an issue when i hit ultimate, but couldn't chew through bomber and was always timed out...
Need to take out Dagger first, then Bomber
@ so should i save swarm attack for dagger when bomber doesn't taunt? Because i was always doing swarm on bomber when i have tenacity up?!
Do you think this starting lineup will be easier or harder for Exec/P1 to beat?
this is for attack only
@@BitdynastyI thought so, thank you! Do you have any idea what the best defensive lineup is to present Exec/P1 from winning?
@@captntripz8045 Yeah it's Dagger, Bomber and Fury
Great, thanks again!
First time I’ve ever commented on one of your videos but I watch them often and you have great content and knowledge of the game. Thanks for being a great asset!
I've tried this a few times, and something keeps wrecking the cooldown on my mk6, so I can't get the second round of tenacity up, and then it's just a coin flip of who won the first go
That is strange 😕
So stupid. I am still mastering this with 2 loss 0 wins. Thank you CG for ruining the will to attack with this fleet!!!! T_T
2 losses with Mark 6 starting?
@@Bitdynasty Yup. Coin flip lost, damage pathetic, ult race lost. Reddit post has similar mentions as my own experience, and -I am DS player so has decent mods and relic levels. Still mastering...This battle feels tiresome and tedious. Not fun at all. CG fakked up the meta fleet. 100%...
@@killereye Its not eventhe ult race lost - its just not enough time to get rid of all the ships unless you were very lucky...I wish the damn LEvi basic would hit liek a truck, not liek a noodle...
@@voxdraconia4035 TBH if we need to use the Levi basic (strong or not) we are playing the fleet badly: 1st engines 2nd reinforcement 3. hangars 4. reinforcement 5 ult...This is how the Levi works. If we need to use it's basic, then we aren't doing good, especially with the ult race with others. Maybe AFTER the ult race, both ships basic could deal 2x or even 3x damage so it helps clear the field faster. Or maybe have a debuff effect that helps with the kills.
No climbing in fleet arena today for me. This is a rng feast
check out my updated guide ruclips.net/video/WFLmcnyBOoc/видео.html
Это всё здорово, только у тебя часто вылетает Шатл Императора. А вот у меня на арене постоянно вылетает Марк из подкрепления. Это многое портит.
Да, мне нужно больше тестов против MK6
What if they use mark 6 in the starting lineup?
just use standard lineup then?
So should we relic 9 the dagger?
don't think that will make any difference here
Since yeyterday i got problems to win , i lose 12 times in a row against same enemy, yesterday and today wtf about coin flip ?!
I tryd your taktik today but it dont funtion ,i got too many debuffs and enemy first starts ultimate, his ships running fast and cant get/keep tenacity and get debuffs, althoug my ships lvl were higher.
I dont understand
Yeah these mirrors are a mess now...
I tryed so many time, it dont funtion to me because i cant destroy bomber fast and it end with timeout or he brings typ6 and kills one of mine, in your video it shows so easy. I dont know what to do
@@svenseidel3396 Check out my updated guide with Mark 6 ruclips.net/video/WFLmcnyBOoc/видео.html
Or did i try kill dsgger first ?! I dontbknow what happens ,enwmy jeals up to much and my typ 6 is toovslow😢
I don't get it. When I try mirror matches, opponents leviathan always explode hangar instead of calling second reinforcement. Do you have any ideas why could it be?
I noticed that if I start Bomber, Fury and Dagger also, if I start any other lineup they don't do that
@Bitdynasty I have this problem when I start with Dagger, Fury and Mark VI. In 100% cases... Now tried to change Dagger for sith fighter and won. That's soooo weird...
But what is when the Enemy has the Same Starting line up like us
should be easy to beat, same like previously with SF starting in place of Dagger
thanks
Welcome
My opponents have Mk IV as 2d and I am running out of time trying to kill it...
yep I had similar experience today, so doing more testing!
Tried today first time ... still lost, ran out of time. I could not do enough damage to get rid of five ships, especially with the silly MK6 coming in. He did not even kill anyon as he targeted mine, but ...if he had it would have been even harder to destroy the rest of the enemy fleet. They still take too many terms and hence too much time...
yeah we need more than 5 minutes for battles now!
I got to ultimate 1st but timed out too. Zzzz
Yeah need to hurry up 😅
4 times now doing this all lost. Twice gotten ulti and still lost...
Dang. I haven't had any issues myself. What was their reinforcements?
I just had 4 losses as well. Sith Fighter as 1st rf and mk6 as 2nd. Took out Fury all the times, and ended in a draw EDIT: I went 1st 2 of the times
Sf and Mark 6, you can't kill anything and just time or they kill all your stuff.
Nice vid as usual. From my experience playing mirror matches ever since Levi came out every day, a reinforced Mark VI will prioritise my Mark VI, so it is usually not an issue.
oh ok
Im using same old Bombeer, Fury, Ass, pretty easy so far. But protection disruption pretty much doesnt work anymore vs enemy bomber, but still Im fast enough to beat Dorito lineup. Ah, and Im not using Dorito even as reinforcement.
cool!
What about real mirors? With B-28, Dagger and Fury?
but that's what I was fighting against in the video?
@ but not your starting lineup.
Will this work against a mirror?
probably, like before with SF starting
@@Bitdynastyso if I see this lineup I should use Sith Fighter?
@@Simpson900 if you see Dagger starting, SF is useless there as you can't gain bonus TM
@@Bitdynastythat’s what I mean. If the opponent is starting what you are starting, what’s the best matchup?
@@Simpson900 probably just the sane, without Bomber you can gun down Dagger quickly probably, then reinforce SF and you can start TM rolling
what happens when you face an opponent with MK6 in the starting lineup? I have a lot of MK6, dagger, magus in my shard...
use normal lineup and go for tie dorito 1st, leave MK6 for the end
easy like before, without bomber you can just kill whoever :)
No more crystals income from fleet arena, gated by pay-to-win, instead of skill. Quitting the game, App uninstalled. And I won't be alone. They finally succed to kill the game with that upgrade that had a deathmark.
Yeah a rough update for sure, enjoy all the extra free time you will now have 😀
I have got my ult first in 100 percent of my matches and I have lost 100 percent of my matches.
How is that possible 🤔
@@Bitdynastytimeouts
I just spent 5 minutes not able to defeat a single ship, I went first and got ult, timed out. I can't even climb with the "meta defining" fleet. Trash
Yeah they messed this one up for sure
Second reinforcement is always mk6 that means you are fucked! And this counter doesn't work! Tried all sorts of things always same outcome TIMEOUT! My fleet: bomber fury sass are r9 others are r7 with all with 6e mods
Hence the Read Pinned Comment in the title :) Here is an updated strategy ruclips.net/video/WFLmcnyBOoc/видео.html
@ tried this also... i have no patience. Switched to dagger bomber fury and just trying my luck on coin toss. At least i know if ill win at the beginning of the battle.
mirrors are so freckn useless now its so terrible you simply wait to ult first and hope you dont timeout on autobattle its so unbelievable dumb
yep they are absolute horrible, I just use Profundity now to climb!
@@Bitdynasty you mind to do an updated vid on that counter?
I got a fix for CG to get everyone to stop complaining about this. Get crystals out of FA and into TW.
Hell no
well do you really want to depend on your guildmates to earn crystals for you :)
@Bitdynasty I didn't say it would be a good idea, just that the complaints wouldn't be about Mirror matches.
But for me, I would prefer rely on my guild mates. They are good and I have to fight through a fleet mafia every day.
@@UtinniUtinni oh for sure moving crystals out of Fleet Arena would be useful, but could just add them to GAC also? Or maybe a part of personal raid track rewards? Just some event that you solely are responsible for as not every one are as lucky as you and I that have good guild mates :)
@Bitdynasty those options would be better. I just guess cg would go for TW first. They would need to revamp TW before they move crystals there. I'll vote for the options you mentioned though.