The Emerald Frontier is still one of if not the best feature in ANY Pokemon game. The Factory alone can be played basically infinitely, it's like a little Pokemon Stadium 3 on your GBA, a game within a game.
@@thesarcastic4691 well it’s k, but all the cool stuff you’d want to do is left out. The ultimate postgame is just fighting red over and over. The battle frontier has a huge amount of extra content no matter how much you play it
@@thesarcastic4691 Unpopular opinion but I never really liked revisiting Kanto in G/S/C and its remakes. It was a cool concept but all the gym leaders were way too easy and there wasn't really anything to do apart from bulldozing a bunch of trainers with your OP team and catching a few more Pokémon. You didn't really get to explore anything, it was the same map with slightly better graphics and the most memorable areas removed. Remember the haunted graveyard? The creepy abandoned lab? The Safari game? Well too bad, that's gone now. In my opinion the Battle Frontier is the best post-game in any of the Pokémon games. The difficulty curve is spot on and I really like the creativity that went into it. All the different battle styles were really fun to try out.
@@user-xu1ce4ri4h in HGSS the Kanto postgame is much better. Far more content. The GSC kanto is pretty dull. And the safari zone in hgss is widely regarded as the best in the series.
It's amazing how much effort Game Freak put into this portion of the game which was likely never touched by most people who owned it due to the difficulty.
Julia The Dark Matter is it though? Psychic can't hit dark types, it's resisted by bug and steel and is only effective against fighting and poison. Psychic would only be better than thunderpunch because electric is not very effective against 1 more type. Because Alakazam knows the other punch moves though it has coverage over the types resisted by electric.
JosephGaming 99 1.) you are correct. After looking at the type matchup chart I have realized it is psychic types and not bug types that also types resist psychic. Thank you. 2.) stab is okay. Personally i'd rather have more type coverage. 3.) Disable is better than you think. It can stop you from getting to set up power houses that rely on moves like dragon dance or calm mind.
Probably not THAT long. Though he'll probably skip the dream world medals due to them not being available. Probably a good thing considering you needed to do it a lot from what I recall.
Ey, but does that include the gift pokemon? Haxorus and Gible/Dratini would make it easier plus you need to complete the national dex for a medal so you can get the shiny charm to help speed up as well as use double grass for extra speed.
An interesting anecdote related to the Battle Frontier: I used to steal Battle Factory Pokémon using cheat codes when I was younger, and I wanted to see their stats because I was curious and this stuff wasn't fully documented at the time, unlike now. After transferring them through multiple generations and exporting them to the Make-a-Wish GTS website through my DS _(back when Nintendo WFC was still operational, mind you),_ I learned that the Pokémon all had fixed IVs, but they were surprisingly low and I had no idea why. What I didn't know at the time was that the IVs change depending on your win streak, but due to a bug, it doesn't count streaks from the Factory itself, but rather from the Battle Tower. My streak was, of course, clear, meaning every Pokémon I stole had fixed IVs of _3 in every stat._ It was a neat learning experience, to say the least!
they have similar DV in pokemon stadium one and 2 for there rentals. (DV or derivative values are like the IV of gen 3 and on word. though DV olny go up to 15 instead of 31)
A man of culture I see. Although unlike you who had the time and patience to do the research, I never checked there stats. I just wanted to steal the pokemon. When doing so, I always went in with a team of 6 swablu
Yeah Bulbapedia doesn't even have the correct IV tracker for the Factory. It starts at 3IV and goes up by three each round, until Round 8 and then the IV's are random, except for the "powerful" 31 IV pokemon that they offer based off how many times you've swapped.
"Congratulations on beating the toughest trainers I could find and overcoming all of these challenging facilities! Here are some berries now begone from me"
I went in blind as a kid and when I saw the Alakazam, I switched my Gengar to Metagross and got hit with a fire punch that knocked it out in one shot 🤣🤣🤣. Dark Souls rage quits got nothing on Frontier rage quits - LOL!
@@DkGamerRUclips they allow them because there base stat total doesn't exceed a certain threshold ...it's similar to how certain Pokemon like Dragonite are considered pseudo-legendaries because there base stat total exceeds a certain level it's a bit particular but they basically allow them because game freak doesn't believe there stats are high enough to be considered OP for the metagame despite being labeled a legendary
@@stonksrus even though Deoxys, Mew, Celebi and Jirachi have the same base stat total as say Latios. I guess 100 across the board and insane offense and speed is too much
4:48 actually the elemental punches on a gen 3 alakazam is pretty good for coverage. Since this was before the physical/special split the elemental punches are special
But lacking stab psychic wasn't a good idea. By having ice and fire punches, plus psychic, you cover the entire type chart, and you have more types super effective than having all 3 punches. All with a higher base power and stab on psychic rather than thunder punch. The only reason not to use psychic would be against dark types, which are super effective against psyc, but that only comes down to houndoom and sharpeedo. All the rest are neutral effected by the other punches. It's much better to have stronger damage against 7 types than electric would offer.
@@Kmn483 The best set would of been Psychic Recover Ice punch Fire punch for battle tower standards, obviously in Comp it would be best to have calm mind instead of either Fire or Ice punch depending on the rest of the team.
4:45 In Generation 3 the type of an attack indicates whether it is an physical attack or a special one. As a result, Fire, Electric, Psychic, Grass, Water, Dragon, Ice and Dark are always special moves while the rest is always physical. That partly explains Alakazams moveset even tho Psychic is still missing xD
Loved the Battle Frontier in Emerald!!! My favorite is probably the Battle Pyramid because of the Mystery Dungeon-like layout. I love how innovative they were with all the battling formats. While it's nice and convenient that typically the strongest Pokemon can win every facility and that you can do it all with pretty much one team with tweaks like you did, I do kind of wish there was a facility or two that favored some of the more bizarre, weaker Pokemon out there somehow! Was really glad to see Anabel return in S/M/US/UM, and I can only hope we maybe see the other frontier brains again someday. They're all so mysterious, and I wish we knew more about them! And props to you for getting all the gold symbols! When I was a kid, I think I only got the silver symbols in the Battle Pike and Battle Pyramid from sheer luck.
It's the easiest one to program, there's no unique gimmicks or mechanics. It's just battle and streak until you lose. No surprise why it's the only one to continue on to new games, GameFreak loves to ditch unique mechanics each generation.
I'm here seething internally because I had Pokemon Emerald when I just started high school and barely knew about Pokemon besides the anime. Needless to say, the Battle Frontier kicked my ass... A LOT. Basically, it forced me to _git gud_. I grinded the Elite Four a lot to get the Pokemon I wanted to level 100, because I thought the Level 50 format sucked. And yeah... I also completely lucked out at the Battle Palace, because I knew jack about natures at the time. Hate that facility. When I finally got all seven gold symbols, and saved for the last time, I still remember that gameplay time as if it were yesterday... *398 hours, 17 minutes.*
"You want to be as prepared as you can for anything" No amount of preparation can save you from the ultimate streak ender: Rhydon with Quick Claw and Horn Drill.
Facts I almost fought Anabel for silver and fell 1 battle short a freaking Linder hit 2 guilloteens to kill my blaziken and peliper blaziken did 97% with blaze kick and pelliper missed fly and both died and then manetric died to ursaring I was so upset
4:46 Remember that Emerald came before the special/physical split. This is why Alakazam has the punches, as ice, electric and fire are all considered special types. Same reason why Entei runs Calm Mind.
Fun facts about gen III's Battle Frontier in my research: The IVs of the opponent's in the Battle Factory are taken from what streak you are on in the Battle Tower. You can reset this at any time if you just back out from all streaks in the Battle Tower. Pokemon that you encounter can be shiny, I was a 9 year old boy when I saw shiny Ekans in the Battle Palace. All of the Battle Dome IVs are at 0 due to a bug. You will always be healed if you enter a door with a "wave of nostalgia" description and your Pokemon are all under a status effect. May also work for Pokemon below 50% HP. Pickup works in the Battle Pyramid and adds to your bag. Speaking of the Battle Pyramid, there is a chance you can get Sacred Ash in the Pyramid. You cannot use it in battles, so do not save those up for Brandon. All IVs increase by 3 in the Battle Frontier every round roughly, with some trainers having that increase as the last battle of your 7 streak. Silver Frontier bosses/brains always have 15 IVs in each stat, Gold will always have 31. Unlike gen IV's Battle Frontier, bosses/brains will always start with one specific Pokemon. If you use BP to get EV increasing items, my path for the Frontier is this: Battle Factory to learn all of the sets you can go against -> Battle Dome due to ease -> Battle Pyramid once you have enough for a Choice Band -> Battle Pike -> Arena -> Palace -> Tower Doing this you will reliably be ready for anything that the Frontier throws your way.
If you use John’s team you should do the palace last cuz some moves won’t benefit your pokes so they are deleted. These moves are also move you can’t get back
"How many Pokémon can you catch with balls matching their colour in HG/SS" I've seen a few shiny hunters do that with the shinies they find, I actually liked the idea a lot and I'm currently doing it in my SS.
John, you're quickly becoming my favorite Pokemon content creator. I love seeing you tackle the challenges I could have only ever dreamed of as a kid. I literally maxed out my clock in Emerald at 999:59 trying to beat the Battle Frontier as an 11-12 year old, but the best I could do was three silver symbols and one gold, from the Battle Pike. Watching you accomplish this was an emotional experience for me. You make me want to fire up my old copy, which had its battery run dry and made time-based events impossible, and give this another go.
I remember going into the battle palace with a Wailord who knew Surf, Ice Beam, Double Team and Substitute and had Leftovers as its held item on my first playthrough of Emerald as a kid and apparently it loved spamming both Double Team and Substitute. The battles took literally forever. I'm assumming it mostly won through PP stalling because struggle did less damage than leftovers would heal.
The battle tower was one of my favorite addition in older gen games. One of my favorite thing to do was double battles with rented pokemon. That always tested my ability to use two essentially random pokemon together as effectively as possible. I think a video on this could be very cool!
Been playing since it came out and I'm still trying to do this. The battle frontier, PWT and the white tree hollow/black city were amazing post game add ons and it's why they are my favorite mainline games.
I love the battle frontier. I remember me and my sister spending hours at the battle factory, good times :) This video makes me want to pick up Emerald again. I'm actually going to give this challenge a go! Wish me luck :)
I did this with Ninetails, Salamence, and Ludicolo. When I got to the Battle Palace, Ludicolo's nature didnt allow it to use its strategy, so I caught a Regice to defeat that facility. I wish they'd bring this back. Raising a team to take on the toughest pokemon challenge is very satisfying.
The Battle Frontier is the big reason why I think Emerald is the best main series Pokemon game! I've spent hours, days, long periods of time in the battle frontier doing all of the different options, which were always really fun, if luck based sometimes!
Also i would love to see a PMD Challenge, like "How Easily can you get to Master Rank" or "How Easily can you recruit all Pokemon" because i like to see John in pain.
I received all of the silver symbols, but after that, I decided to not challenge against them again because it was hard and it took too long to beat all seven of the brains.
- Excarion 17:04:49 and the TAS by GodessMaria is about 9 hours (could be shorter but it continues from the any% glitchless TAS so it has to backtrack for the Battle Frontier prep work instead of doing that simultaneously during the story playthrough.)
Never played it as a kid becuase i went to battle frontier not really knowing how to competive battle but now years later knowing general ideas its fun
Just wanted to mention that Shedinja can appear in the battle dome. This can be dangerous and it is good to have at least one attack that can deal with it. I had shadow ball on my metagross for it and other ghosts. I was never able to get all gold symbols, but I got all of the silver ones. The battle factory was the tricky one for the gold, in my opinion. That is the one that made me give up. I did enjoy the challenge though. For the fronteir I had Salamence, Metagross, Latios, Tyranitar and Latias. I don't remember the movesets, but Salamence had dragon dance and EQ and Arial Ace, Metagross was probably banded as well or had leftovers, and Latios had Calm Mind + psychic and coverage moves. I think its also good to use a mix of physical and special attackers and ones that cover weaknesses. I didn't use Tyranitar mucho because of sand stream. And sometimes I would use both Lati@s plus either metagross or salamence but found the other team to be more well rounded. Metagross and Salamence are both really strong.
@@nilsolofsson4338 Well , it's the case in Platinum , but not in Diamond or Pearl since to access this cave , you need Strenght that can be used only after Gym 6 . But yeah , DPPt are pretty difficult games for this challenge , especially Pre-Badge 2 since there are Honey Tree , which mean that you need to have at least one Munchlax Tree out of the four in the available areas of Pre-Badge 2
@@Felixkeeg Yeah ... I understand the pain of waiting for one/multiple damn Pokémon to appear . I'm currently doinc Alpha Sapphire's POC , and I'm on Pre-Badge 8 , more known as Mirage Spot Hell . I still have to wait for the right Mirage Spots to appear ...
It sounds frustrating to actually do, but I really like the concept behind the Battle Palace. You just have to trust your Pokémon (and RNG) to do what will lead them to victory. Plus it can lead to dramatic moments like your final battle with Spencer.
Damn this brings nostalgia. While Emerald is my most played Pokémon game of all time, I never actually managed to get more than 2-3 silver ones. I was a kid, didnt know about EV training, leveled most of my mons by glitching rare candies and just didn't have move sets that complimented stats. Would be curious to try this out with today's knowledge.
I’ve always had more success running the battle factory at level 50 just cause you don’t have to worry about your opponent having tier 3/final evolution mons and less move variety so you don’t have as many variables to worry about
If anyone ever tries this don’t do the battle tower first like he does. The IVs of every Pokémon in certain battle areas become 31. Which iirc is why the battle Factory is so brutally difficult
man i was pissed when i found out it was just 2 berries for grand prize but hey earning the symbols was the real prize prooves your just the best you can be. it was tough for me to beat tbh took me a month
Yup.... a mystery indeed. . . because... Feint Attack.. does NOT miss! to all You little curious tots out there, reading comment posts like this one, THIS is what they call E X P O S I T I O N ! which is basically like a sub Narrative like structure which is used in Your favorite Cartoon series or whatever story or show which is basically used to help explain certain key plot points or even certain things like devices or weapons in a situation in which You probably wouldn't know what had happened/is used for, unless they're would have been someone there to conveniently be able to address it and explain it to You!! Your welcome in Advance! HUGS FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!
In oras my luck was so bad that in the duo battle a trainer had a entire team that countered my entired team. He had a stunkfist , for Jolteon, a Scolipede for my sylevon and Espeon and my leafeon. He also had a cacturne and a Golbat
I think it’s actually easier to do the Battle Dome before the Battle Tower because the IV’s of the opponent Pokémon in the Battle Dome are based on your consecutive win progress in the Battle Tower.
Not just a great video, but also a really useful one for anyone revisiting this game and deciding to challenge the Battle Frontier! I want to throw in my tangent about the idea of a Battle Frontier in future games to any and all people who are bitter about ORAS or generally hoping we would some day get another Frontier: 1. the only times GF had an abundance of extra development time to spend on implementing an entire Battle Frontier as a hefty post-game activity, was in games that were basically just polished versions of already final products, ie Emerald being an enhanced RS, and Platinum being an enhanced DP. Every other game, whether main games of a new generation, or remakes that require updating the entire game, which even if it's a lot of copy/paste, is still a ton of work, both are projects that inherently don't have the amount of extra resources that a Frontier would require. 2. the main games have been getting more and more numerous in number of features as well as more sophisticated in graphics and mechanics, which essentially means that by todays standards, even when they do have a project that is basically an enhanced version (aka USUM), there is just so many other things they can spend the extra development time on, or even just on polishing any number of minor things overall, that a Battle Frontier never shows up early enough on their "checklists" of things to add to still have enough resources left for it. My implication with this is basically, that even if they were to add a Battle Frontier in a future game, it'd likely be less "wholesome" and end up being too lackluster or rushed, making the minority of players that actively want to see one just even more disappointed. The solution I see to all of this, is if instead of asking for a Battle Frontier as a post-game feature, people started asking for a standalone Battle Frontier game. An individual game that is compatible with the main series, just like Stadium, Colosseum/XD, PBR. Being a separate game would mean that it is the focus of the project, and could even add features that sometimes feel lackluster in the main series, like trainer customization,...and more importantly, with the change to a limited-Dex philosophy for the main games from now on, since this game would be entirely about battles in an arbitrary unique location unrelated to any specific region or theme, it could allow for every single PKMN to be playable in it. tl;dr: we don't need a postgame with a BF, we need a BF-like Stadium/PBR game that is tailored for the competitive portion of the players.
After all these years thanks to you i just now realise soul dew doesn't work in battle frontier, i remember i was shocked how all these random pokemon were able to survive lati's attacks. It never occured to me the item doesn't do anything, but this explains everything
megagutsman Technically they are possible but like the Generation 4 Wi-Fi achievements that require Wi-Fi connection you need to mess with your DNS settings.
Emerald's Battle Frontier is the best thing that has ever happened in Pokemon games to date in my opinion. Most entertaining facility: Definitely the Battle Dome followed by the Battle Arena, Most difficult: I would say the Battle Factory (Gold) and maybe also the Battle Tower (Gold) and Battle Pike (Gold) Easiest: Battle Pyramid (Gold) followed by Battle Dome (Gold). I have personally completed on 6/7 of the golds on my childhood days' Emerald original save file, missing only the Battle Tower, but unfortunately the save file is now corrupt, so never got a chance to say hello to Anabel again and add the final star to my trainer card, but what can you do. Wish it could be fixed, but yeah... Great video :)
The Emerald Frontier is still one of if not the best feature in ANY Pokemon game. The Factory alone can be played basically infinitely, it's like a little Pokemon Stadium 3 on your GBA, a game within a game.
How about Kanto in the Johto games
@@thesarcastic4691 well it’s k, but all the cool stuff you’d want to do is left out. The ultimate postgame is just fighting red over and over. The battle frontier has a huge amount of extra content no matter how much you play it
@@thesarcastic4691 Unpopular opinion but I never really liked revisiting Kanto in G/S/C and its remakes. It was a cool concept but all the gym leaders were way too easy and there wasn't really anything to do apart from bulldozing a bunch of trainers with your OP team and catching a few more Pokémon. You didn't really get to explore anything, it was the same map with slightly better graphics and the most memorable areas removed. Remember the haunted graveyard? The creepy abandoned lab? The Safari game? Well too bad, that's gone now.
In my opinion the Battle Frontier is the best post-game in any of the Pokémon games. The difficulty curve is spot on and I really like the creativity that went into it. All the different battle styles were really fun to try out.
@@user-xu1ce4ri4h in HGSS the Kanto postgame is much better. Far more content. The GSC kanto is pretty dull. And the safari zone in hgss is widely regarded as the best in the series.
@@user-xu1ce4ri4h heartgold / soul silver has two regions and a battle frontier so i meannnn
I always loved how the Frontier Brains felt like actually intimidating trainers. Pulling out legendaries and having frightening teams.
You know, no matter what anyone says, the Battle Frontier will always look like what I imagine an actual Pokemon theme park to look like
PBR
Wifi Plaza
A Pokémon theme park exists
I like the one in oras
You have a very strange idea of what theme parks are like.
18:26 "I only managed to win because she missed Feint Attack."
Um...
I still have no idea what he meant to say. unless he's just making it all up I guess
Faint attack! It's still gen 3!
You have a toxic orb after your name
Man
Somehow I doubt that
I don't need sleep I need answers (well its not like I need sleep when its 4pm)
IF YOU'RE STRONG YOU'LL SURVIVE, AND YOU'LL KEEP THE DREAM ALIVE IT'S THE BATTLE FRONTIER
Pokémon
BE THE BEST YOU CAN BE AND FIND YOUR DESTINY
ITS THE MASTER PLAN THE POWER'S IN YOUR HANDS POKÉMON
Its a battle win or lose.
@@thealmightyloaf3187 ITS THE FRIENDS YOU MAKE ITS ITS THE ROAD YOU CHOOSE
@@artizan4095 You've got the right stuff
So make your mind up
Find the courage inside of you
"How fast can you get all gold stars in the ORAS Battle frontier"
:(
Oh, wait, THERE ISN'T ONE!!!!!!!
😢😢😢😢😢😢
I was so FUCKING pissed
How fast can you catch every Pokémon in Swor-
Ok not going down that rabbit hole.
One the bright side it will be easier to complete the dex
It's amazing how much effort Game Freak put into this portion of the game which was likely never touched by most people who owned it due to the difficulty.
In gen 3 the elemental punches are all special attacks thats why anabelles Alakazam has them
But it's still dumb it doesn't have any psychic moves
Julia The Dark Matter is it though? Psychic can't hit dark types, it's resisted by bug and steel and is only effective against fighting and poison. Psychic would only be better than thunderpunch because electric is not very effective against 1 more type. Because Alakazam knows the other punch moves though it has coverage over the types resisted by electric.
@@scottystrachan8422 a) don't underestimate STAB
b) bug doesn't resist psychic
c) disable is useless
JosephGaming 99
1.) you are correct. After looking at the type matchup chart I have realized it is psychic types and not bug types that also types resist psychic. Thank you.
2.) stab is okay. Personally i'd rather have more type coverage.
3.) Disable is better than you think. It can stop you from getting to set up power houses that rely on moves like dragon dance or calm mind.
@@scottystrachan8422 disable has 55% accuracy in gen 3 it's a garbage move
5:24
Anabel's Latios: "Who are you?"
John's Latios: "The real question is who are YOU?"
There is like Multiple Legendary Pokemon which is confirmed that they somehow can breed and left their genes. It is just they are rare.
How long would it take to get every Medal in Black 2 and White 2??
Probably not THAT long. Though he'll probably skip the dream world medals due to them not being available. Probably a good thing considering you needed to do it a lot from what I recall.
@@someoneelse5020 Depends. One medal is awarded for finding a shiny Pokémon...
There are some locked medals but besides those, this is a great challenge
Addam Bleu you can get the free shiny haxorus from the nature preserve, so that wouldn’t be too bad
Ey, but does that include the gift pokemon? Haxorus and Gible/Dratini would make it easier plus you need to complete the national dex for a medal so you can get the shiny charm to help speed up as well as use double grass for extra speed.
An interesting anecdote related to the Battle Frontier: I used to steal Battle Factory Pokémon using cheat codes when I was younger, and I wanted to see their stats because I was curious and this stuff wasn't fully documented at the time, unlike now. After transferring them through multiple generations and exporting them to the Make-a-Wish GTS website through my DS _(back when Nintendo WFC was still operational, mind you),_ I learned that the Pokémon all had fixed IVs, but they were surprisingly low and I had no idea why. What I didn't know at the time was that the IVs change depending on your win streak, but due to a bug, it doesn't count streaks from the Factory itself, but rather from the Battle Tower. My streak was, of course, clear, meaning every Pokémon I stole had fixed IVs of _3 in every stat._ It was a neat learning experience, to say the least!
they have similar DV in pokemon stadium one and 2 for there rentals. (DV or derivative values are like the IV of gen 3 and on word. though DV olny go up to 15 instead of 31)
A man of culture I see. Although unlike you who had the time and patience to do the research, I never checked there stats. I just wanted to steal the pokemon. When doing so, I always went in with a team of 6 swablu
Man, Team Rocket would have loved to learn those secrets lol.
Yeah Bulbapedia doesn't even have the correct IV tracker for the Factory. It starts at 3IV and goes up by three each round, until Round 8 and then the IV's are random, except for the "powerful" 31 IV pokemon that they offer based off how many times you've swapped.
In other words the effectiveness of the Pokemon in battle factory depends on your performance in the battle tower.
"Congratulations on beating the toughest trainers I could find and overcoming all of these challenging facilities! Here are some berries now begone from me"
All the elemental punch moves were special moves in gen 3. They'd be perfectly serviceable on Alakazam. Not having psychic is certainly odd, though
I went in blind as a kid and when I saw the Alakazam, I switched my Gengar to Metagross and got hit with a fire punch that knocked it out in one shot 🤣🤣🤣. Dark Souls rage quits got nothing on Frontier rage quits - LOL!
Definitely should’ve had either psychic or calm mind instead of disable, but I’m not complaining
“You are not allowed to use legendaries”
John: I chose Latios
@Edward Gary Doesn't make sense xD
@@DkGamerRUclips they allow them because there base stat total doesn't exceed a certain threshold ...it's similar to how certain Pokemon like Dragonite are considered pseudo-legendaries because there base stat total exceeds a certain level it's a bit particular but they basically allow them because game freak doesn't believe there stats are high enough to be considered OP for the metagame despite being labeled a legendary
Box legendaries
@@stonksrus even though Deoxys, Mew, Celebi and Jirachi have the same base stat total as say Latios. I guess 100 across the board and insane offense and speed is too much
@@TheDeanofLean those are not allowed cause theyre mythicals(event pokemon)
4:48 actually the elemental punches on a gen 3 alakazam is pretty good for coverage. Since this was before the physical/special split the elemental punches are special
But lacking stab psychic wasn't a good idea. By having ice and fire punches, plus psychic, you cover the entire type chart, and you have more types super effective than having all 3 punches. All with a higher base power and stab on psychic rather than thunder punch. The only reason not to use psychic would be against dark types, which are super effective against psyc, but that only comes down to houndoom and sharpeedo. All the rest are neutral effected by the other punches. It's much better to have stronger damage against 7 types than electric would offer.
@@Kmn483 The best set would of been Psychic Recover Ice punch Fire punch for battle tower standards, obviously in Comp it would be best to have calm mind instead of either Fire or Ice punch depending on the rest of the team.
4:45
In Generation 3 the type of an attack indicates whether it is an physical attack or a special one. As a result, Fire, Electric, Psychic, Grass, Water, Dragon, Ice and Dark are always special moves while the rest is always physical. That partly explains Alakazams moveset even tho Psychic is still missing xD
Flampan F He never said they were physical moves.
The lack of Stab and having disable still sucks
@@fideljr1763 “alakazam was a special powerhouse but for some reason have punches” implied
Loved the Battle Frontier in Emerald!!! My favorite is probably the Battle Pyramid because of the Mystery Dungeon-like layout. I love how innovative they were with all the battling formats. While it's nice and convenient that typically the strongest Pokemon can win every facility and that you can do it all with pretty much one team with tweaks like you did, I do kind of wish there was a facility or two that favored some of the more bizarre, weaker Pokemon out there somehow! Was really glad to see Anabel return in S/M/US/UM, and I can only hope we maybe see the other frontier brains again someday. They're all so mysterious, and I wish we knew more about them!
And props to you for getting all the gold symbols! When I was a kid, I think I only got the silver symbols in the Battle Pike and Battle Pyramid from sheer luck.
2 berries? You complete the entirety of the battle frontier and you get TWO BERRIES?
Welcome to Hoenn.
the economy is in shambles
the absolute state of it
welcome to gamefreak
Yo dem's some rare ass berries tho.
'Battle Tower is the least fun mode'.
Wait, isn't that the one they kept carrying over in 6th and 7th gen?
Yup. Go figure.
@@masterofthelag8414 so they literally keep the worst mode from Battle Frontier.
@@LordTyph Battle Factory Is Best
It's the easiest one to program, there's no unique gimmicks or mechanics. It's just battle and streak until you lose. No surprise why it's the only one to continue on to new games, GameFreak loves to ditch unique mechanics each generation.
@@FakeHeroFang RIP Triple and Rotation Battles :C
I'm here seething internally because I had Pokemon Emerald when I just started high school and barely knew about Pokemon besides the anime. Needless to say, the Battle Frontier kicked my ass... A LOT. Basically, it forced me to _git gud_.
I grinded the Elite Four a lot to get the Pokemon I wanted to level 100, because I thought the Level 50 format sucked. And yeah... I also completely lucked out at the Battle Palace, because I knew jack about natures at the time. Hate that facility.
When I finally got all seven gold symbols, and saved for the last time, I still remember that gameplay time as if it were yesterday... *398 hours, 17 minutes.*
Oof
I currently have more than 450 hours and only have like 4 symbols lol
Lol All Scrubs I have over 900 Hours on Ultra Moon.
How many battle points did you earn?
"You want to be as prepared as you can for anything"
No amount of preparation can save you from the ultimate streak ender: Rhydon with Quick Claw and Horn Drill.
DarkEinherjar in sword and shield u need to use a rhydon with eviolite
@@superninoengels In Gen III there are no Evolites, only pain. And nice music.
droma lloma yeah i got my self because if there was a eviolite there wasnt a ryperior
@@superninoengels Ahh, I see it now! My bad, haha.
droma lloma no it wasnt youre bad i had to think about his evolution not being there hahah
*calls Latios ole reliable
Also latios “uses surf against suicune”.
I have never even got a silver symbol and here you are, getting all gold symbols
I mean the one you'd usually reach while playing casually is the silver luck symbol. The others? well...
I got silver in battle pike, factory and if i wouldn't use 2v2, i could propably get dome one too
Facts I almost fought Anabel for silver and fell 1 battle short a freaking Linder hit 2 guilloteens to kill my blaziken and peliper blaziken did 97% with blaze kick and pelliper missed fly and both died and then manetric died to ursaring I was so upset
Shades of Blue blaziken and gardevoir are both viable lol. Blaziken is one of the strongest non legendaries in the history of Pokémon
The only symbol I got in Emerald was the silver symbol of the battle pike
4:46 Remember that Emerald came before the special/physical split. This is why Alakazam has the punches, as ice, electric and fire are all considered special types. Same reason why Entei runs Calm Mind.
I think he knows, but the lack of Psychic is a huge waste of power
Same reason why latios has dragon claw and metagross has shadow ball
Ijneb1248 shadow ball was physical in gen 3
I see you watched wersters 20h+ "speedrun" of pokemon emerald all gold symbols too lmao
I was looking for this comment 😂
I saw a 9h speedrun from new game to all gold symbol, that run was incredible...
@@jimmyh2137 Where did you see that run? I need some time to kill and that sounds super interesting
Yasin Sentürk righttt
Exarionu has the record now for the catagory its like 17 hrs now
Fun facts about gen III's Battle Frontier in my research:
The IVs of the opponent's in the Battle Factory are taken from what streak you are on in the Battle Tower. You can reset this at any time if you just back out from all streaks in the Battle Tower.
Pokemon that you encounter can be shiny, I was a 9 year old boy when I saw shiny Ekans in the Battle Palace.
All of the Battle Dome IVs are at 0 due to a bug.
You will always be healed if you enter a door with a "wave of nostalgia" description and your Pokemon are all under a status effect. May also work for Pokemon below 50% HP.
Pickup works in the Battle Pyramid and adds to your bag.
Speaking of the Battle Pyramid, there is a chance you can get Sacred Ash in the Pyramid. You cannot use it in battles, so do not save those up for Brandon.
All IVs increase by 3 in the Battle Frontier every round roughly, with some trainers having that increase as the last battle of your 7 streak.
Silver Frontier bosses/brains always have 15 IVs in each stat, Gold will always have 31.
Unlike gen IV's Battle Frontier, bosses/brains will always start with one specific Pokemon.
If you use BP to get EV increasing items, my path for the Frontier is this:
Battle Factory to learn all of the sets you can go against -> Battle Dome due to ease -> Battle Pyramid once you have enough for a Choice Band -> Battle Pike -> Arena -> Palace -> Tower
Doing this you will reliably be ready for anything that the Frontier throws your way.
If you use John’s team you should do the palace last cuz some moves won’t benefit your pokes so they are deleted. These moves are also move you can’t get back
Werster and the other speedrunners blew my mind by doing this in under 24 hours
I always found the Battle Dome the most fun because I like brackets.
The tournament theme in pokemon is always a hit for me.
@@Emily848 I'll never understand Gamefreak, man. I personally think the Battle Maison and Battle Tree are massive downgrades from the Battle Frontier.
Same, a tournament setting for pokemon is really appealing to me
I actually did this some 7 years ago. The pyramid is a nightmare
The pyramid is the 2nd easiest because you can get items with pickup ability
@@mermer2938 Tbh the battle palace made me cry... When your swampert spams earthquake against a Salamance... And it has Ice Beam...
Tower for me is hell
ikr? the pyramid is literally the hardest one
Bruh The pyramid was a nightmare but I beat it barely though…..
"How many Pokémon can you catch with balls matching their colour in HG/SS"
I've seen a few shiny hunters do that with the shinies they find, I actually liked the idea a lot and I'm currently doing it in my SS.
18:26
"I only managed to win because she *missed faint attack"*
How does one miss the unmissable?
Shadow force? Fly? Phantom force? Dig? ect.
He meant "didn't use"
Misplayed*. Went for a different move instead
John, you're quickly becoming my favorite Pokemon content creator. I love seeing you tackle the challenges I could have only ever dreamed of as a kid. I literally maxed out my clock in Emerald at 999:59 trying to beat the Battle Frontier as an 11-12 year old, but the best I could do was three silver symbols and one gold, from the Battle Pike.
Watching you accomplish this was an emotional experience for me. You make me want to fire up my old copy, which had its battery run dry and made time-based events impossible, and give this another go.
How did you do?
13:51 Mt. Pyre song: *exists*
Meteor Falls: *also exists*
Route 113: *Am I a joke to you???*
I can’t believe they permanently killed the battle frontier. That was my favorite part of pokemon growing up.
Always a welcome notification. Love your content man
You should do the pokemon platinum battle frontier, every medal in bw2, getting all trainer card stars in hg ss+emerald
Ben That would be great, I hope he reads this comment.
How to get 5 star
I remember going into the battle palace with a Wailord who knew Surf, Ice Beam, Double Team and Substitute and had Leftovers as its held item on my first playthrough of Emerald as a kid and apparently it loved spamming both Double Team and Substitute. The battles took literally forever. I'm assumming it mostly won through PP stalling because struggle did less damage than leftovers would heal.
*generic joke.jpg*
Yeah, though I do feel like some of these challenges are more a test of endurance than a test of ability
never heard that joke before, amazing comedy Talent and so original😲
You are going places!!!
Bepis I'm trolling bruh 😁
@@rawovunlapin8201 this guy has done even more enduring challenges though, like catching every pokemon in each generation multiple times
@@Begeru I'm aware; it's why I didn't mention this one in particular.
I found an uncatchable shiny dusclops in the battle pike when I was younger
Sad times 😩
Poor guy
pokeoh45 my friend ran into a trainer with a shiny relicanth at the battle factory
Ran into a trainer with Shiny Hippopotas at the Battle Arcade in Pokemon Platinum. I feel your pain.
I found a shiny Trampinch at theBattle Pyramid T_T
Shiny Espion on Fire Red battle tower
16:35 “guess I’ll die” -Igglybuff 2019
One thing I wish had been incorporated into the Battle Frontier is a few battles with your rival.
The battle tower was one of my favorite addition in older gen games. One of my favorite thing to do was double battles with rented pokemon. That always tested my ability to use two essentially random pokemon together as effectively as possible. I think a video on this could be very cool!
Friendly reminder that his voice is hella soothing.
Also, Pokemon Stadium challenges when?
Been playing since it came out and I'm still trying to do this.
The battle frontier, PWT and the white tree hollow/black city were amazing post game add ons and it's why they are my favorite mainline games.
World record for how fast I can click on a Johnstone video
My best is 0.69seconds
That Chief Guy nice
.0069 seconds
*n I c e*
I love the battle frontier. I remember me and my sister spending hours at the battle factory, good times :) This video makes me want to pick up Emerald again. I'm actually going to give this challenge a go! Wish me luck :)
I did this with Ninetails, Salamence, and Ludicolo. When I got to the Battle Palace, Ludicolo's nature didnt allow it to use its strategy, so I caught a Regice to defeat that facility.
I wish they'd bring this back. Raising a team to take on the toughest pokemon challenge is very satisfying.
The Battle Frontier is the big reason why I think Emerald is the best main series Pokemon game! I've spent hours, days, long periods of time in the battle frontier doing all of the different options, which were always really fun, if luck based sometimes!
John should do "How easily can you get every Gold Symbol in Pokemon Platinum's battle frontier?" Next! Who agrees with me?
ME
me too
He absolutely hates the battle tower due to having to complete it 50,000,000,000 times (exaggeration) but sure why not
When I discovered the Battle Frontier would *not* be featured in ORAS… *I despaired.* Instead we got *too much water.*
"Battle tower is the least enjoyable facility"
No I think it's universally agreed upon that the battle palace is.
Battle Tower is boring.
It's literally just the game.
Also i would love to see a PMD Challenge, like "How Easily can you get to Master Rank" or "How Easily can you recruit all Pokemon" because i like to see John in pain.
I forgot how much I loved this area when I was younger. I remember sweeping the Battle Pike with my Aerodactyl, Flygon, and Milotic. Good times!
Lady Brightcynder good team
This is why I love these videos. I didn’t even know the stuff that wasn’t the basic frontier existed, and emerald is my favorite game
I received all of the silver symbols, but after that, I decided to not challenge against them again because it was hard and it took too long to beat all seven of the brains.
Ditto but I’m proud of the fact I got every silver symbol with my in game play through team
+ HOW EASILY CAN YOU GET EVERY GOLD SYMBOL IN POKEMON EMERALD'S BATTLE FRONTIER?
-Werster: in exactly 19:04:14
- Excarion 17:04:49
and the TAS by GodessMaria is about 9 hours (could be shorter but it continues from the any% glitchless TAS so it has to backtrack for the Battle Frontier prep work instead of doing that simultaneously during the story playthrough.)
Dude, this is an intervention. We gotta talk about your Pokémon craze. Great video as always!
Never played it as a kid becuase i went to battle frontier not really knowing how to competive battle but now years later knowing general ideas its fun
Just wanted to mention that Shedinja can appear in the battle dome. This can be dangerous and it is good to have at least one attack that can deal with it. I had shadow ball on my metagross for it and other ghosts.
I was never able to get all gold symbols, but I got all of the silver ones. The battle factory was the tricky one for the gold, in my opinion. That is the one that made me give up. I did enjoy the challenge though.
For the fronteir I had Salamence, Metagross, Latios, Tyranitar and Latias.
I don't remember the movesets, but Salamence had dragon dance and EQ and Arial Ace, Metagross was probably banded as well or had leftovers, and Latios had Calm Mind + psychic and coverage moves.
I think its also good to use a mix of physical and special attackers and ones that cover weaknesses. I didn't use Tyranitar mucho because of sand stream. And sometimes I would use both Lati@s plus either metagross or salamence but found the other team to be more well rounded.
Metagross and Salamence are both really strong.
This is by far the best emerald video ive seen in my life.
Professor Oak challenge for Sinnoh? But anyways somehow I did the Battle Frontier as a 12 year old kid.
I’d love to this see this but it would probably be hell seeing as you get a gible after the second gym
@@nilsolofsson4338 Well , it's the case in Platinum , but not in Diamond or Pearl since to access this cave , you need Strenght that can be used only after Gym 6 . But yeah , DPPt are pretty difficult games for this challenge , especially Pre-Badge 2 since there are Honey Tree , which mean that you need to have at least one Munchlax Tree out of the four in the available areas of Pre-Badge 2
Currently am running POC on Diamond. I've been at it for months. It's a nightmare
@@Felixkeeg Yeah ... I understand the pain of waiting for one/multiple damn Pokémon to appear . I'm currently doinc Alpha Sapphire's POC , and I'm on Pre-Badge 8 , more known as Mirage Spot Hell . I still have to wait for the right Mirage Spots to appear ...
Sure
Battle Pike is absolutely the best sound track of Gen 3
It sounds frustrating to actually do, but I really like the concept behind the Battle Palace. You just have to trust your Pokémon (and RNG) to do what will lead them to victory. Plus it can lead to dramatic moments like your final battle with Spencer.
10:37 RIP Swampert
You should do a video with Pokemon Colosseum!! Or Gale of Darkness
Definitely second this. The games are fun as hell.
This post game is honestly just the icing of the cake of my childhood. Even the music still gives me nostalgic chills
Smogon also retains a forum with the highest record and team composition for gen 3, 4, 5 battle faculties.
Could you share a link?
The designs of the Frontier Brains are so cool, especially Pike Queen Lucy
Damn this brings nostalgia. While Emerald is my most played Pokémon game of all time, I never actually managed to get more than 2-3 silver ones. I was a kid, didnt know about EV training, leveled most of my mons by glitching rare candies and just didn't have move sets that complimented stats. Would be curious to try this out with today's knowledge.
I’ve always had more success running the battle factory at level 50 just cause you don’t have to worry about your opponent having tier 3/final evolution mons and less move variety so you don’t have as many variables to worry about
If anyone ever tries this don’t do the battle tower first like he does.
The IVs of every Pokémon in certain battle areas become 31.
Which iirc is why the battle Factory is so brutally difficult
I made that mistake
man i was pissed when i found out it was just 2 berries for grand prize but hey earning the symbols was the real prize prooves your just the best you can be. it was tough for me to beat tbh took me a month
"Because she missed Feint Attack"
**wait**
Yup.... a mystery indeed. . . because... Feint Attack.. does NOT miss!
to all You little curious tots out there, reading comment posts like this one, THIS is what they call E X P O S I T I O N ! which is basically like a sub Narrative like structure which is used in Your favorite Cartoon series or whatever story or show which is basically used to help explain certain key plot points or even certain things like devices or weapons in a situation in which You probably wouldn't know what had happened/is used for, unless they're would have been someone there to conveniently be able to address it and explain it to You!!
Your welcome in Advance! HUGS FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!
he explains in another comment that he meant to say he didnt use it,
In oras my luck was so bad that in the duo battle a trainer had a entire team that countered my entired team. He had a stunkfist , for Jolteon, a Scolipede for my sylevon and Espeon and my leafeon. He also had a cacturne and a Golbat
I think it’s actually easier to do the Battle Dome before the Battle Tower because the IV’s of the opponent Pokémon in the Battle Dome are based on your consecutive win progress in the Battle Tower.
I'm pretty sure that's the case for Battle Factory, not Battle Dome.
John: How easily can you get all gold symbols?
Werster: YES
Battle Dome was always my favorite because I liked reading the brackets and predicting who would win.
Werster has speedruns with this included, very recommended to watch!
I'd love to see you try and get every Medal in Pokemon Black/White 2.
Been following awhile. This channel is so good
*THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR*
They seem to like it when I put this patty on the grill. I may be able to save this act yet. Roll with it, Spongebob, roll with it.
Not just a great video, but also a really useful one for anyone revisiting this game and deciding to challenge the Battle Frontier!
I want to throw in my tangent about the idea of a Battle Frontier in future games to any and all people who are bitter about ORAS or generally hoping we would some day get another Frontier:
1. the only times GF had an abundance of extra development time to spend on implementing an entire Battle Frontier as a hefty post-game activity, was in games that were basically just polished versions of already final products, ie Emerald being an enhanced RS, and Platinum being an enhanced DP. Every other game, whether main games of a new generation, or remakes that require updating the entire game, which even if it's a lot of copy/paste, is still a ton of work, both are projects that inherently don't have the amount of extra resources that a Frontier would require.
2. the main games have been getting more and more numerous in number of features as well as more sophisticated in graphics and mechanics, which essentially means that by todays standards, even when they do have a project that is basically an enhanced version (aka USUM), there is just so many other things they can spend the extra development time on, or even just on polishing any number of minor things overall, that a Battle Frontier never shows up early enough on their "checklists" of things to add to still have enough resources left for it.
My implication with this is basically, that even if they were to add a Battle Frontier in a future game, it'd likely be less "wholesome" and end up being too lackluster or rushed, making the minority of players that actively want to see one just even more disappointed.
The solution I see to all of this, is if instead of asking for a Battle Frontier as a post-game feature, people started asking for a standalone Battle Frontier game. An individual game that is compatible with the main series, just like Stadium, Colosseum/XD, PBR. Being a separate game would mean that it is the focus of the project, and could even add features that sometimes feel lackluster in the main series, like trainer customization,...and more importantly, with the change to a limited-Dex philosophy for the main games from now on, since this game would be entirely about battles in an arbitrary unique location unrelated to any specific region or theme, it could allow for every single PKMN to be playable in it.
tl;dr:
we don't need a postgame with a BF, we need a BF-like Stadium/PBR game that is tailored for the competitive portion of the players.
This team rocks. I just conquered the battle frontier. Thank you, man.
Love the werster mentions. His speedruns are realy fun to watch
With every video I'm losing hope for the how fast can I catch all pokemon in pokemon black and white
Pls make it happen chief
I actually did this back in the day, and I’m really happy that you showed how much work it took
getting 100% with all trainer card stars on my emerald is one of my proudest accomplishments lol
Johnstone is officially a masochistic just for the pain he goes through to bring us these vids
New challenge
How easily can you get every shiny in gen 3
That would probably take longer then getting the spindas
18:35 missed with faint attack ey? Mmm hmm sure
Yea wtf
Literally... like... what? I came her because of that exact statement
What's is going on guys My name is John and I have the sexiest voice of any poketuber.
His voice makes me crest.
Ghey dawg, ghey
After all these years thanks to you i just now realise soul dew doesn't work in battle frontier, i remember i was shocked how all these random pokemon were able to survive lati's attacks. It never occured to me the item doesn't do anything, but this explains everything
Try to get every medal in Pokémon black/white(2)
Impossible. There are some that are impossible to get now because they required either Wi-Fi or the Dream Network.
megagutsman Technically they are possible but like the Generation 4 Wi-Fi achievements that require Wi-Fi connection you need to mess with your DNS settings.
Anybody else get scared at the beginning of the video?
Like what if John never pops up and we are just waiting forever
You make amazing content, please keep it coming!
"Tell me this isn't the best song in the series"
Accumula town:a I a joke to you
How long did this take it took me 25 hours to get 1 silver
I feel you man...
The Battle Pike does have the best theme in the main series, but Mirror B's battle theme in Pokemon XD Gale of Darkness is infinitely better
QOTD: Battle Factory i spent hours there just for fun X)
Emerald's Battle Frontier is the best thing that has ever happened in Pokemon games to date in my opinion. Most entertaining facility: Definitely the Battle Dome followed by the Battle Arena, Most difficult: I would say the Battle Factory (Gold) and maybe also the Battle Tower (Gold) and Battle Pike (Gold) Easiest: Battle Pyramid (Gold) followed by Battle Dome (Gold). I have personally completed on 6/7 of the golds on my childhood days' Emerald original save file, missing only the Battle Tower, but unfortunately the save file is now corrupt, so never got a chance to say hello to Anabel again and add the final star to my trainer card, but what can you do. Wish it could be fixed, but yeah... Great video :)