Surprisingly, I would suggest removing Lance from the list until we've concluded the formal inquiry to find out how many of his underleveled Pokémon were rescued from Team Rocket laboratories. He may just be giving those poor lab sneks a chance at life. And also, from a lore perspective, teaching a Pokémon a TM move it can't learn until a later generation isn't cheating, it's a sign that you're ahead of your time. TM's are a methods human devised of teaching Pokémon moves they could not normally learn biologically (Hence why a creature like Flabébé that would practically die to a Weedle sting can learn the most venomous move of all with TM Toxic). The fact that Lance taught his Aerodactyl Rockslide while you couldn't doesn't mean Lance is cheating, it means you have a skill issue.
I do feel like “Champion” has evolved from “The strongest” to something more of a regional shepherd role… protecting and supporting the people of that region
I actually like Leon in that regard. In game He's a good big brother, and he kept Eternatus at bay in Hammerlocke long enough for you to bring the legendary heroes. Also I think his team is actually decent.
No not really it's still just the strongest and most of them are still bums except Cynthia who has the flaw of being as interesting as watching paint dry
The silliest part about lance is that a plot point in gold and silver is that team rocket is making a machine that evolves pokemon earlier than they do naturally which is obviously bad, and who is the person that stops them? LANCE! The dude that has 3 dragonites under level 55!
If Lance was spending so much time close to Team Rocket and that machine, it makes sense that some of his Pokemon would get affected by the machine, right? It's not like he cheated on purpose
To be fair, the series literally shows that Pokemon in the wild and from other trainers can learn moves and evolve earlier... It's only for us players that these limitations exist... it's basically game limitations...
How did he get an Exeggutor to only have 3 moves? You get more moves by levelling up. THE MOVE DELETER DIDN'T EVEN EXIST YET. IT'S LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE.
@@Foxes01True. You can catch a Lv:24 Exeggcute and evolve it immediately, it knows 2 moves and kearns Stomp at Lv:28, so it is possible, yet not very useful.
I saw a headcanon someone had somewhere that the reason why Lance has underleveled Dragonite's is cause they all went through a "forced evolution" like the red Gyarados did at the Lake of Rage, which is part of the real reason he went to investigate it in the first place.
Something else about Leon: Two of his teams have massive holes in them, 3 pokemon weak to dark for his Inteleon team and 4 pokemon weak to ice for Rillaboom team.
the only way I can see Game Freak thinking Glimora as the end pokemon was a good idea was if Geeta was supposed to have a super overwhelming team that chipped all your pokemons to all finally cleaned by the poison but even then it is a bad strategy
Geeta had so much potential with her champion battle (pre indigo disk). Don't know what gamefreak was smoking giving her a TOXIC DEBRIS glimora as her ACE, when she has a SUPREME OVERLORD KINGAMBIT on her team. I get they might have been hinting at legends ZA with the gogoat and avalugg, but a champion fight is no place to do that. They could've swapped the gogoat for arboliva, and the avalugg with cetitan. The veluza also needs to go. While a palafin would be fun to place on her team, it would be way to gimmicky, so perhaps a dondozo would do just as well. At least they redeemed her in the DLC.
The only champions that don’t have their Ace pokemon that represents their region(not including gimmicks) are Leon and Lance. Lance as the excuse of being the a previous Kanto Elite 4, but Leon has no excuse. I didn’t include Diantha because her ace is a fairy type, which was introduced in gen 6.
Still kinda weird though. Mega Florges would be an actual Gen 6 mega and be an ace from the region. At least it’s a new fairy and a mega, so not as bad as Charizard
Charizard has a new Dynamax form! Checks out with Diantha’s Pokémon having a new type and mega evolution though I can understand why you would be upset considering all the fan service Charizard already gets…
I feel like Avalugg could have genuinely worked if Geeta just had a Slowking with her that used Chilly Reception to help it out; just to take advantage of Gen 9's new snow mechanics
If Alder's Volcarona had Fiery dance then he'd be in the lance classification of illegal pokemon because the moth learns the move at level 100 in every pre switch game
@@makinyoumad9498 I mean I'm not excusing Cynthia either, I think champions should have only gen-exclusive pokemon, exception being pokemon with the gen-exclusive forms.
Kieran is the kind of player who does not do team building and enters competitive with six Pokemon he got from events. Blue is the kind of player who necer deletes Leer because he thinks his pokemon wont be able to evolve otherwise.
They had the damn chance to make geeta interesting with all those fan theorys and her generall weirdness, but nope, the dlc had nothing to do with her at all
I won't stand for this Lance slander, he was just years ahead of his time. It took us years to figure out the technique to train our Pokemon the same moves he did, and he raised his Pokemon so well they evolved early! These are the marks of a truly great trainer, not a bad one.
Here's my take on it. SV downgraded what a "Champion" is. It is no longer a title, it is now a rank. That means the challenge to get there has to be, for the most part, widely obtainable. In games past, "Champion" has been a Title, that some have held for years and have been unbeatable. Based on that, yea, those former actual champions should have the best of the best, and most do. Geeta acts as more of an assessment to get into the highest ranking tier, rather than be the actual best.
To be fair to leon (I know I'm sounding like a leon simp and I don't care) as far as we know he's held his title the second longest out of all the champions in the franchise (yes including Cynthia) the only other person who was champion longer than him was his master. Our main character is considered a battling prodigy so them beating him in a week isn't really that embarrassing especially when galar is the most completive region in the pokemon world. Also found nemona a lot more disappointing than geeta all you have to do is bring a fighting type move (not even a pokemon a move) and congratulations you've taken out half her team and what's funny is that she uses the new gimmick even worse than geeta does if you kept your starter she teralize her pokemon to give it a complete disadvantage against yours
Seems to me that Lance is actually a genius trainer and you're jelly AF that you never made discoveries like pokemon learning new moves or evolving early.
To be fair to Geeta, the whole region is probably on fraud watch if she is, because she's really only a second-to-last boss as opposed to every single other Champion who is literally at the end of the game (or worse, Alder, who is a postgame fight). And with Alder, I mean, you gotta give props to a man that *somehow* made it to Champion with some of the most underrated Pokemon in the entire generation (and that's saying something considering BW's got the largest dex of new 'mons of all time), even if he does end up being technically 4th place before you can even attempt fighting him. (But hey, at least Iris is a cool Champ) 11:10 Well, two of them DO have Arc Suits in Pokemon Masters now, sooooo... you're not far off. :P
They aren't frauds, they are just limited by the Game Mechanics... It's like in the anime, where a Pikachu can be randomly OP and a Bellsprout can kick major ass.... But the game mechanics hold them back so that it's easier for players to beat them... Basically, they are nerf'd by the game mechanics just so you can have an easier time beating them...
For alder case, let's just remember that N had a fucking Legendary dragon on his team, and would be considered the strongest trainer in the region just because of that if it wasn't for the player having the other one (Also players in my opinion shouldn't be counted for these things cause they are meant to be stronger than most characters in such a short spam of time, to the point to beat legendary Pokémon that no one did before). Ghetsis is also someone i feel like it's more that he has strong Pokemon, but he is not a good trainer himself, which makes sense for his plan to make others release their pokemon since then no one would be able to beat him (And seeing how he funds experiments with Pokemon like genesect and how his underlevel hydreigon hates him, i'm pretty sure that this guy just hacks his pokemon with forced methods to make them strong). Now for Iris, she is just built different lmao
Being completely honest, I don't think its fair to judge Leon for losing against the player because literally every champion does that. Its not something exclusive to Leon at all. Not to mention that such kind of criticism can be applied not only to champions but also to other important characters. Like all the evil team leaders that also lose to trainers that started their journeys. Also, judging Leon for his movesets post-champion era doesn't invalidate his team movesets and team composition in his actual champion battle. Which are actually pretty good. Not to mention that there's champions that have far more glaring issues with their teams. Just to put an easy example: Cynthia's team has a glaring weakness to ice and 5 out of her 6 pokemon get destroyed by freeze dry. Just having an ice move already gives you an attack 2x effective against Togekiss and Roserade, and 4x effective on Garchomp, but as I said, to add insult to injury, with freeze dry you can trash Milotic and Gastrodon too. Which means that 5 out of her 6 pokemon can get destroyed with just 2 moves. And she's the champion with the glaring weakness to ice in the coldest region of them all on top of that.
Freeze dry wasn't present in Gen 4. Gastrodon and togekiss are never in the same game. Then , the ice type is defensively the weakest type in the game. She has togekiss with aurasphere, lucario and garchomp with fire blast . Plus u need to be fast enough before she sets a sword dance,else decimation with earthquake and Drsgon rush. The good ice types ,Glaceon Froslass (that can survive an earthquake or dragon rush aren't unlocked without trading, until mostly post game) in DP. Cynthia was a menance in Gen 4 for a reason!
You nailed the Leon talk, but botched with Cynthia. Talking like as if she even uses all 3 of Gastrodon, Togekiss, & Milotic at once, the former 2 are never in 1 individual battle together & have repeatedly been a replacement of each other, so they can't be counted for distinctly; only a max of 3-4 mons fall to Ice/Freeze-Dry. You also failed to take into consideration the dilemma of grabbing Freeze-Dry to begin with. Cuz BDSP is utter trash, it doesn't let you have Glaceon or Glalie b4 the postgame, the ones who learn it by level itself. As for the rest, it's tediously an egg move for Lapras, Mamoswine, & Delibird & should be obvious why it isnt a viable choice with the latter 2. It's even stupider pretending that those sluggish Ice-types can breeze through that whole EV/IV'd team solely by carrying 1 big supereffective button; no good Ice move Weavile could get, cuz again, BDSP bad, bad. Only Ice Beam/Punch put on reasonably strong mons would be threatening against her. Moreover, don't overlook Lucario, 1 of the biggest counters to Ice there is.
@@lipika2841 First, you're missing the point. The original argument isn't about whether Cynthia uses all three of Gastrodon, Milotic, and Togekiss simultaneously in one battle. It's about the recurring team compositions she’s had over her appearances, and how her overall lineups have consistently shown a weakness to Ice-type coverage. Even if she only runs three or four vulnerable mons in one team at a time, that’s still a very significant portion of her team being susceptible to the same type. The fact that her team has this repeated structural flaw across games is the problem. Now about the Freeze-Dry "dilemma." BDSP may be poorly designed in terms of team-building options, but that doesn’t negate Cynthia’s weakness and its also not literally imposible to exploit that weakness at all. A weakness doesn’t stop being a weakness just because of that . And let’s not act like Ice Beam isn’t a perfectly valid alternative for exploiting her team's weaknesses with non ice types even if you're not using an ice type. As for Ice types being "sluggish" or needing perfect setups. Nobody said an Ice-type would solo her team effortlessly, just that her weaknesses to Ice-type moves exist and can be exploided in different ways. A well-trained, decently fast special attacker with Ice Beam can absolutely punch holes in her team without needing to rely on BDSP’s flawed move distribution for Freeze-Dry. And sure, Lucario resists Ice, but one counter to a type weakness doesn’t eliminate the issue across the rest of the team. Lucario has its own vulnerabilities to Fire, Fighting, and Ground moves. Plus, it’s not exactly a bulky mon, so it’s not tanking hits forever. In short, Cynthia’s team still has structural weaknesses to Ice-type coverage across her iterations. Whether you want to focus on specific movesets, game limitations, or swapping team members doesn’t change the fact that this glaring flaw exists and has persisted over time So no, the original point about her Ice weakness still stands.
@@jeetpsawant6787 First of all, the argument isn't about when Freeze-Dry was introduced, it's about team composition and type weaknesses in general. The point remains valid: Cynthia's team has an undeniable ice weakness, and Freeze-Dry existing highlights how exposed her team is to that type. Whether it was in Gen 4 or not doesn't change the structural flaw in her lineup. Second, the fact that Gastrodon and Togekiss aren't in the same game doesn't magically erase their shared vulnerability to ice whether she decides to use one, the other or both. We're talking about her overall team compositions across her appearances, not nitpicking about version exclusives. Her team still consistently has glaring weaknesses to ice-type coverage, whether we're looking at DP, Platinum, or BDSP. Now onto your point about ice types being defensively weak. The argument is about Cynthia’s team weaknesses. Any well-placed Ice Beam or Blizzard from any decently strong special attacker can still exploit those weaknesses. And yes, she has coverage moves like Aura Sphere and Fire Blast, but relying on those doesn’t fix the core issue. Togekiss isn't sweeping with Aura Sphere before it eats a super-effective Ice Beam, and Lucario isn't tanking special ice hits comfortably or dealing with the rest of the entire team of the player either. Garchomp? Sure, it's fast and threatening, but its not impossible to beat at all and has easily the most glaring weakness to ice since its four times weak to it and using ice beam, freeze dry or blizzard on has been a valid and successful strategy since forever. As for Swords Dance setup, that’s assuming the player gives her the opportunity. A well-timed hit, status condition, or just proper team planning shuts that down. Garchomp and sword dance isn't some guaranteed win condition for her, it's a gamble that can be countered and exploited. And finally, saying good ice types are hard to obtain in DP doesn't change her team’s weaknesses either or makes imposible to use ice type moves either. The issue isn't about how easy it is to exploit her team, it's that the weaknesses exist. You calling Cynthia a "menace" doesn’t magically erase that. So no, none of this invalidates the original argument. Cynthia’s team still has glaring ice weaknesses and lives in the coldest region on top of that, and that flaw exists no matter how hard you try to dance around it.
By the time u won, was it still Raining like at the start of battle? Cuz if so (also sounds mean 😅 & would obviously be cleared during cutscene), you'd have seen his devastated loss face as it's downpouring.
Which Pokemon Champion would you say is secretly the biggest fraud? 🤔
the player when they cheat in a bunch of op pokemon
Surprisingly, I would suggest removing Lance from the list until we've concluded the formal inquiry to find out how many of his underleveled Pokémon were rescued from Team Rocket laboratories. He may just be giving those poor lab sneks a chance at life.
And also, from a lore perspective, teaching a Pokémon a TM move it can't learn until a later generation isn't cheating, it's a sign that you're ahead of your time. TM's are a methods human devised of teaching Pokémon moves they could not normally learn biologically (Hence why a creature like Flabébé that would practically die to a Weedle sting can learn the most venomous move of all with TM Toxic). The fact that Lance taught his Aerodactyl Rockslide while you couldn't doesn't mean Lance is cheating, it means you have a skill issue.
Ash. Three words: Water Gun... Dracovish
i would say trace but him being a fraud isn't much of a secret
@@flareblitz198fishious rend cancels it out
I do feel like “Champion” has evolved from “The strongest” to something more of a regional shepherd role… protecting and supporting the people of that region
I actually like Leon in that regard. In game He's a good big brother, and he kept Eternatus at bay in Hammerlocke long enough for you to bring the legendary heroes. Also I think his team is actually decent.
No not really it's still just the strongest and most of them are still bums except Cynthia who has the flaw of being as interesting as watching paint dry
The silliest part about lance is that a plot point in gold and silver is that team rocket is making a machine that evolves pokemon earlier than they do naturally which is obviously bad, and who is the person that stops them? LANCE! The dude that has 3 dragonites under level 55!
If Lance was spending so much time close to Team Rocket and that machine, it makes sense that some of his Pokemon would get affected by the machine, right? It's not like he cheated on purpose
@@TheLastSpider-Manlet’s switch to manga lance who is evil. Got what he wanted then got rid of team rocket so it couldn’t be used against him
To be fair, the series literally shows that Pokemon in the wild and from other trainers can learn moves and evolve earlier...
It's only for us players that these limitations exist... it's basically game limitations...
how did blue manage to beat the E4 with those movesets 💀
It’s all rigged
His team ended up like raticate after the player was done with him :(
I wouldn't be shocked if the dude literally was just so cocky, he made his team abyssmally bad just to brag about winning anyway afterwards.
skill
have you seen the elite 4's moves? Lance's team has Supersonic, Leer, and Dragon Rage
How did he get an Exeggutor to only have 3 moves? You get more moves by levelling up. THE MOVE DELETER DIDN'T EVEN EXIST YET. IT'S LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE.
He taught it TM 9889888 which contained the move " "
exeggutor only learns those 3 moves by level up in gen 1
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@@Foxes01True. You can catch a Lv:24 Exeggcute and evolve it immediately, it knows 2 moves and kearns Stomp at Lv:28, so it is possible, yet not very useful.
If I beat the elite 4 with that team i kinda feel the over confidence is warranted
I saw a headcanon someone had somewhere that the reason why Lance has underleveled Dragonite's is cause they all went through a "forced evolution" like the red Gyarados did at the Lake of Rage, which is part of the real reason he went to investigate it in the first place.
I think it's just games limiting us, so levels don't have as much to do with evolution for Pokemon as we think they do.... just for the players...
Something else about Leon: Two of his teams have massive holes in them, 3 pokemon weak to dark for his Inteleon team and 4 pokemon weak to ice for Rillaboom team.
To be fair, Leon is meant to be defeated by the player....
And Game Mechanics hurt the NPCs more than they do the players...
Tô be fair to Alder, Volcarona only learns Fiery Dance at level 100, so he couldn't use anyway.
*Turo's Iron Valiant with Spirit Break: Amateurs
You dare call cythina a fake champion. We were going to have some issues.
the only way I can see Game Freak thinking Glimora as the end pokemon was a good idea was if Geeta was supposed to have a super overwhelming team that chipped all your pokemons to all finally cleaned by the poison but even then it is a bad strategy
They wanted Glimmora to be her ace and ace Pokémon always have to be last now so they just ignored logic
Amazed that Trace didn't get a mention for only having three moves on each mon and an unhealthy obsession with quick attack
I think lance caught all his pokemon in pokemon go the max lv is 50 there
Geeta had so much potential with her champion battle (pre indigo disk). Don't know what gamefreak was smoking giving her a TOXIC DEBRIS glimora as her ACE, when she has a SUPREME OVERLORD KINGAMBIT on her team. I get they might have been hinting at legends ZA with the gogoat and avalugg, but a champion fight is no place to do that. They could've swapped the gogoat for arboliva, and the avalugg with cetitan. The veluza also needs to go. While a palafin would be fun to place on her team, it would be way to gimmicky, so perhaps a dondozo would do just as well. At least they redeemed her in the DLC.
Geeta redemption with her team is greater than most anime characters
The only champions that don’t have their Ace pokemon that represents their region(not including gimmicks) are Leon and Lance. Lance as the excuse of being the a previous Kanto Elite 4, but Leon has no excuse. I didn’t include Diantha because her ace is a fairy type, which was introduced in gen 6.
Still kinda weird though. Mega Florges would be an actual Gen 6 mega and be an ace from the region. At least it’s a new fairy and a mega, so not as bad as Charizard
@@snowmeows3342 Fair point. Also it's weird there is only 1 gen 6 mega, and it's a mythical pokemon.
Charizard has a new Dynamax form! Checks out with Diantha’s Pokémon having a new type and mega evolution though I can understand why you would be upset considering all the fan service Charizard already gets…
I feel like Avalugg could have genuinely worked if Geeta just had a Slowking with her that used Chilly Reception to help it out; just to take advantage of Gen 9's new snow mechanics
Just give her some other Paldean mon
To be fair a lot a lot of trainers in gen 1 have terrible movesets
Calling Blue the Liz Truss of champions is CRAAAAAAAAZY.
If Alder's Volcarona had Fiery dance then he'd be in the lance classification of illegal pokemon because the moth learns the move at level 100 in every pre switch game
Definitely make more like this. WTF is Faulkner doing with a level NINE Pidgeotto!
You can catch under-levelled Pidgeotto in Yellow, though.
Leons Charizard is one of the things Galar done good
Why does the gen 9 champion have 2 gen 6 pokemon? Absolute fraud 😭😭😭
To tease Z-A maybe
You made zero sense here, why on earth does Cynthia use gen 3 Pokemon. Absolute fraud
@@makinyoumad9498 I mean I'm not excusing Cynthia either, I think champions should have only gen-exclusive pokemon, exception being pokemon with the gen-exclusive forms.
Kieran is the kind of player who does not do team building and enters competitive with six Pokemon he got from events.
Blue is the kind of player who necer deletes Leer because he thinks his pokemon wont be able to evolve otherwise.
They had the damn chance to make geeta interesting with all those fan theorys and her generall weirdness, but nope, the dlc had nothing to do with her at all
what if the lore reason for blue's exeggutor missing a move was that it was psychic, and just ran out of PP
What’s the music playing at 9:23
I won't stand for this Lance slander, he was just years ahead of his time. It took us years to figure out the technique to train our Pokemon the same moves he did, and he raised his Pokemon so well they evolved early! These are the marks of a truly great trainer, not a bad one.
The fact that nobody bothered to bring a Coalossal to beat Leon. Who knows Stealth Rocks.
This is some top-tier clickbait. Cynthia on the thumbnail was about to make me crash out
"You don't get to be the champion of the Pokemon League without knowing how to spam full restores!"
- Lance, the "Dragon Master"
3:29
To be fair, that’s the player character, and in Masters, he is confirmed to be about on par with Red.
Yeah, I think Leon holding back a little in the battle tower to give some people a fighting chance is fair..
10:10 I found Lacey way more difficult than Keiran
Tobias from the anime
Diantha didnt make it to the list ? Such a shame
Here's my take on it. SV downgraded what a "Champion" is. It is no longer a title, it is now a rank. That means the challenge to get there has to be, for the most part, widely obtainable. In games past, "Champion" has been a Title, that some have held for years and have been unbeatable. Based on that, yea, those former actual champions should have the best of the best, and most do. Geeta acts as more of an assessment to get into the highest ranking tier, rather than be the actual best.
Meanwhile Diantha remains forgotten
I love seeing the occasional Adventures images used in your videos
Veluza is slow?!?! The. Why’d they make it so god damn fast in the overworld🤨
To be fair to leon (I know I'm sounding like a leon simp and I don't care) as far as we know he's held his title the second longest out of all the champions in the franchise (yes including Cynthia) the only other person who was champion longer than him was his master. Our main character is considered a battling prodigy so them beating him in a week isn't really that embarrassing especially when galar is the most completive region in the pokemon world.
Also found nemona a lot more disappointing than geeta all you have to do is bring a fighting type move (not even a pokemon a move) and congratulations you've taken out half her team and what's funny is that she uses the new gimmick even worse than geeta does if you kept your starter she teralize her pokemon to give it a complete disadvantage against yours
Seems to me that Lance is actually a genius trainer and you're jelly AF that you never made discoveries like pokemon learning new moves or evolving early.
To be fair to Geeta, the whole region is probably on fraud watch if she is, because she's really only a second-to-last boss as opposed to every single other Champion who is literally at the end of the game (or worse, Alder, who is a postgame fight).
And with Alder, I mean, you gotta give props to a man that *somehow* made it to Champion with some of the most underrated Pokemon in the entire generation (and that's saying something considering BW's got the largest dex of new 'mons of all time), even if he does end up being technically 4th place before you can even attempt fighting him. (But hey, at least Iris is a cool Champ)
11:10 Well, two of them DO have Arc Suits in Pokemon Masters now, sooooo... you're not far off. :P
Alola says otherwise when it comes to underleveled Dragonite
They aren't frauds, they are just limited by the Game Mechanics...
It's like in the anime, where a Pikachu can be randomly OP and a Bellsprout can kick major ass....
But the game mechanics hold them back so that it's easier for players to beat them...
Basically, they are nerf'd by the game mechanics just so you can have an easier time beating them...
7:49 you know what else is a crime? Showing a gameplay with a filter on it.
Skeledurge ripped her a new one
For alder case, let's just remember that N had a fucking Legendary dragon on his team, and would be considered the strongest trainer in the region just because of that if it wasn't for the player having the other one (Also players in my opinion shouldn't be counted for these things cause they are meant to be stronger than most characters in such a short spam of time, to the point to beat legendary Pokémon that no one did before).
Ghetsis is also someone i feel like it's more that he has strong Pokemon, but he is not a good trainer himself, which makes sense for his plan to make others release their pokemon since then no one would be able to beat him (And seeing how he funds experiments with Pokemon like genesect and how his underlevel hydreigon hates him, i'm pretty sure that this guy just hacks his pokemon with forced methods to make them strong).
Now for Iris, she is just built different lmao
I never realized that getta team is weak to ghost and fire types lol
Did bro Fall off... only 700 Views In A Hour?
Blue following the animes too much where he might've chosen Leer and Tail Whip because he thought they were attacks :/
11:10 damm that just shows how weak these guys are huge power on a special attacker
I clicked off when you called Sergio a "they/them". Leave this shit in your bedroom
Being completely honest, I don't think its fair to judge Leon for losing against the player because literally every champion does that. Its not something exclusive to Leon at all.
Not to mention that such kind of criticism can be applied not only to champions but also to other important characters. Like all the evil team leaders that also lose to trainers that started their journeys.
Also, judging Leon for his movesets post-champion era doesn't invalidate his team movesets and team composition in his actual champion battle. Which are actually pretty good.
Not to mention that there's champions that have far more glaring issues with their teams. Just to put an easy example:
Cynthia's team has a glaring weakness to ice and 5 out of her 6 pokemon get destroyed by freeze dry.
Just having an ice move already gives you an attack 2x effective against Togekiss and Roserade, and 4x effective on Garchomp, but as I said, to add insult to injury, with freeze dry you can trash Milotic and Gastrodon too. Which means that 5 out of her 6 pokemon can get destroyed with just 2 moves.
And she's the champion with the glaring weakness to ice in the coldest region of them all on top of that.
Freeze dry wasn't present in Gen 4.
Gastrodon and togekiss are never in the same game.
Then , the ice type is defensively the weakest type in the game. She has togekiss with aurasphere, lucario and garchomp with fire blast .
Plus u need to be fast enough before she sets a sword dance,else decimation with earthquake and Drsgon rush.
The good ice types ,Glaceon Froslass (that can survive an earthquake or dragon rush aren't unlocked without trading, until mostly post game) in DP.
Cynthia was a menance in Gen 4 for a reason!
You nailed the Leon talk, but botched with Cynthia. Talking like as if she even uses all 3 of Gastrodon, Togekiss, & Milotic at once, the former 2 are never in 1 individual battle together & have repeatedly been a replacement of each other, so they can't be counted for distinctly; only a max of 3-4 mons fall to Ice/Freeze-Dry. You also failed to take into consideration the dilemma of grabbing Freeze-Dry to begin with. Cuz BDSP is utter trash, it doesn't let you have Glaceon or Glalie b4 the postgame, the ones who learn it by level itself. As for the rest, it's tediously an egg move for Lapras, Mamoswine, & Delibird & should be obvious why it isnt a viable choice with the latter 2. It's even stupider pretending that those sluggish Ice-types can breeze through that whole EV/IV'd team solely by carrying 1 big supereffective button; no good Ice move Weavile could get, cuz again, BDSP bad, bad. Only Ice Beam/Punch put on reasonably strong mons would be threatening against her. Moreover, don't overlook Lucario, 1 of the biggest counters to Ice there is.
@@lipika2841
First, you're missing the point. The original argument isn't about whether Cynthia uses all three of Gastrodon, Milotic, and Togekiss simultaneously in one battle. It's about the recurring team compositions she’s had over her appearances, and how her overall lineups have consistently shown a weakness to Ice-type coverage. Even if she only runs three or four vulnerable mons in one team at a time, that’s still a very significant portion of her team being susceptible to the same type. The fact that her team has this repeated structural flaw across games is the problem.
Now about the Freeze-Dry "dilemma." BDSP may be poorly designed in terms of team-building options, but that doesn’t negate Cynthia’s weakness and its also not literally imposible to exploit that weakness at all. A weakness doesn’t stop being a weakness just because of that . And let’s not act like Ice Beam isn’t a perfectly valid alternative for exploiting her team's weaknesses with non ice types even if you're not using an ice type.
As for Ice types being "sluggish" or needing perfect setups. Nobody said an Ice-type would solo her team effortlessly, just that her weaknesses to Ice-type moves exist and can be exploided in different ways. A well-trained, decently fast special attacker with Ice Beam can absolutely punch holes in her team without needing to rely on BDSP’s flawed move distribution for Freeze-Dry.
And sure, Lucario resists Ice, but one counter to a type weakness doesn’t eliminate the issue across the rest of the team. Lucario has its own vulnerabilities to Fire, Fighting, and Ground moves. Plus, it’s not exactly a bulky mon, so it’s not tanking hits forever.
In short, Cynthia’s team still has structural weaknesses to Ice-type coverage across her iterations. Whether you want to focus on specific movesets, game limitations, or swapping team members doesn’t change the fact that this glaring flaw exists and has persisted over time So no, the original point about her Ice weakness still stands.
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First of all, the argument isn't about when Freeze-Dry was introduced, it's about team composition and type weaknesses in general. The point remains valid: Cynthia's team has an undeniable ice weakness, and Freeze-Dry existing highlights how exposed her team is to that type. Whether it was in Gen 4 or not doesn't change the structural flaw in her lineup.
Second, the fact that Gastrodon and Togekiss aren't in the same game doesn't magically erase their shared vulnerability to ice whether she decides to use one, the other or both. We're talking about her overall team compositions across her appearances, not nitpicking about version exclusives. Her team still consistently has glaring weaknesses to ice-type coverage, whether we're looking at DP, Platinum, or BDSP.
Now onto your point about ice types being defensively weak. The argument is about Cynthia’s team weaknesses. Any well-placed Ice Beam or Blizzard from any decently strong special attacker can still exploit those weaknesses.
And yes, she has coverage moves like Aura Sphere and Fire Blast, but relying on those doesn’t fix the core issue. Togekiss isn't sweeping with Aura Sphere before it eats a super-effective Ice Beam, and Lucario isn't tanking special ice hits comfortably or dealing with the rest of the entire team of the player either. Garchomp? Sure, it's fast and threatening, but its not impossible to beat at all and has easily the most glaring weakness to ice since its four times weak to it and using ice beam, freeze dry or blizzard on has been a valid and successful strategy since forever.
As for Swords Dance setup, that’s assuming the player gives her the opportunity. A well-timed hit, status condition, or just proper team planning shuts that down. Garchomp and sword dance isn't some guaranteed win condition for her, it's a gamble that can be countered and exploited.
And finally, saying good ice types are hard to obtain in DP doesn't change her team’s weaknesses either or makes imposible to use ice type moves either. The issue isn't about how easy it is to exploit her team, it's that the weaknesses exist. You calling Cynthia a "menace" doesn’t magically erase that.
So no, none of this invalidates the original argument. Cynthia’s team still has glaring ice weaknesses and lives in the coldest region on top of that, and that flaw exists no matter how hard you try to dance around it.
Looks like you forgot let's go champion
8:27 Im pretty sure the dragonite thing has already been explained that he got them in Aloha?
glimmora is LAST??
Membermaz gang
you forgot about Trace from Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee
Sergio for champion
Also i have a theory of why lance has underlevel dragonites its because he played pogo
It's either Gary or Lance
Idk Kieran should’ve been #1…I beat him in 4 turns…he has 6 pokemon….(double battles is a stupid competitive format)
By the time u won, was it still Raining like at the start of battle? Cuz if so (also sounds mean 😅 & would obviously be cleared during cutscene), you'd have seen his devastated loss face as it's downpouring.
My boy steven stone not in this cause hes the GOAT
Alder should be no.1 😔💯
more of these plsssss
YAY!! new hmaz vid
Great vid bud
I figured Blue would be on here because: ruclips.net/video/PCimfyIe-Ao/видео.htmlsi=9_YgMjMni5XbCeY5
Rowlet :D
trace
I was here
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