The ONLY Lamborghini Audi VW Timing Chain Video You Will Ever Need | Pre LP Gallardo Engine Timing
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- Опубликовано: 27 апр 2022
- Let's replace the timing chains on the highest mileage Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera. What I show works on the Lamborghini Gallardo from 2004-2008 but is VERY similar to what is seen in the LP Gallardo from 2009-2014 and the R8 V8 and R8 V10 and the Audi B6/B7 S4 and Audi B7 RS4. This timing system is also seen on almost all Audi/VW 4.2 FSI motors from 2003 and up! The 330 HP FSI 4.2L Audi motor has VVT on the intake cam. What I show you are applicable to the 420HP FSI 4.2 Audi motor with both intake and exhaust cam VVT seen in the b7 rs4 and r8 v8.
We review how to remove the cylinder heads on a DOHC/ dual overhead cam motor with variable valve timing. We review what timing tools you need for doing a proper service on the Gallardo 5.0 motor. We then review how to replace the timing chains on the short block.
We also review how to install the cylinder heads back on and finally time the motor to OEM specifications.
TOOLS USED
Crank Lock Pin (Also works on b5 s4 2.7 and c5 a6 4.2 etc): amzn.to/3FbRkQx
Cam lock bars T40070 & Crank Turning Tool T40058 (Also works on s6 v10 5.2 and LP Gallardo 5.2, r8 v8 v10 and b7 rs4 4.2. Dont use the crank lock pin used in this kit, its too long): amzn.to/37P6iiY
Cam Phaser Turning tool T40079: amzn.to/3vokCI6
Crows foot 24mm: amzn.to/3Ky43hu
Torque Wrench 10-80ft lbs: amzn.to/3KoHbAD
Torque Wrench 25-250 ft lbs: amzn.to/3y0QPa3
12 Point Socket Set: amzn.to/39tg76R
Cylinder Head Bolt Tool: amzn.to/38v8BYr
Extended 12 Point M12 Socket: amzn.to/3y083EF
PART NUMBERS
MAIN AND ACCESSORY Timing
1x WHT000417: bit.ly/3wXAxwR
2x N90740801: bit.ly/3LUS8Lf
1x 079109139M: bit.ly/3z1gDnd
1x 79109229: bit.ly/3z7VEiu
1x 079109229D: bit.ly/38VKWAT
1x 059109469F: bit.ly/3wUn7Bx
1x 079109469AD: bit.ly/3PPGN2g
1x 079109510M: bit.ly/3GpbFCi
1x 079109507G: bit.ly/3wTiKrw
1x 079109467AE: bit.ly/3LSSTEn
1x N90638402: bit.ly/3NABphi
12x N10124308: bit.ly/3z3ULY7
2x N10554005: bit.ly/3t3VHbr
RHS TIMING
1x 06E109229A: bit.ly/3NHFvEI
2x N91042802: bit.ly/3wWHVZ1
6x N10124308: bit.ly/3z3ULY7
1x 06E109218AQ: bit.ly/3GpcwTH
LHS TIMING
1x 06E109217AN: bit.ly/3lOKszs
2x N91042802: bit.ly/3wWHVZ1
6x N10124308: bit.ly/3z3ULY7
1x 079109229L: bit.ly/3MVQUAN
MISC
24x Cylinder Head Bolts WHT001017: bit.ly/3NXT2Ir
If you have a Ford, Ferrari, Chevy, Dodge Viper v10, LS, or any Audi/ VW FSI 4.2 5.2 or V6 series motor in your car, you will learn a lot about Lamborghini/ Audi engine timing used in almost all VWAG vehicles.
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I don’t know if you are getting paid by u tube yet, but if you’re not you are getting ripped off, this is why I watch your videos. Simply beautiful.
Jacob, unfortunately I am still getting ripped off! Got to get to 1000 subscribers. Im glad you liked the video. Videos like this are a LOT of work but I do it because it helps the Gallardo community keep up their cars that are aging and information is becoming more scarce. Lambo/Audi/VW cite this timing system as a lifetime part when it isn't at all! If this video helps at least one person find the correct damn timing tool for the camshafts, it will be well worth the work!
@@TheBullRider well to be honest it is a lifetime part .. timing chains brake and well the life of the engine has expired haha 😂
@@zaceryhammond1144 Haha you are completely right on that one Zacery. This car is at 115k but the problem is that the service manual doesn't even go past 95k! LOL
@@TheBullRider alright.. here comes a subscriber.. 😁
Keep up the good work bro..
@@fatherdaddy4658 Thank you! Glad you liked the video and I hope it helped clarify things for you!
One small point that's overlooked is just how long it takes to pull the engines out of these cars! A huge amount of knowledge & confidence (mixed with a great deal of experience) I'd imagine the first time someone attempts such a task, even an accomplished mechanic, it'll be a very unnerving experience.
It wasnt too bad Craig! Honestly, one of the more effortless motor pulls I've done in a while. Although it is a rather tight fit in the engine bay haha.
Im glad you liked the video and thanks for reaching out.
@@TheBullRider credit where it's due my friend. I've been a professional mechanic since '87 & operate my own wksp being self employed since '95.
I consider myself extremely fortunate to own a v8 4.2 R8. It was my Dream Car! I've only ever removed the back end of one to replace the exhaust system for a customer. I considered that task pretty involved in itself?
Where did you learn these engine skills? It's not the sort of area your average mechanic just tinkers with! One small error, especially working with these fiddly little chains! That's a horrifying repair bill heading inbound.
Great work mate. Very impressive.
You've done a great service for your fellow car enthusiasts. Knowing the upgrades on parts is priceless information !
John, why thank you sir! Its like were getting away with a secret that Lamborghini will say wont fit with these upgraded parts! Hehe
@@TheBullRider You have a talent for demystifying the subject. Continue to put out content. In time you'll have helped more people than you can imagine.. To your future success sir.. John
@@john-lb5fu Thank you john! I appreciate that!
I knew there had to be part interchanges for these cars. You dir are showing everyone that you can rebuild these yourself and you don't have to always pay Lamborghini tax. Great job! 👍 Matt
Matt, you are exactly right my friend. This was the cheapest part of the whole rebuild and the most fun!
I feel like owning a Lambo and learn to DIY like you after watching your cool project videos, it’s too motivating and inspiring! Those guys at Lambo must have their jaws dropped by now… *ROTFL*
Michael, I am glad you liked this video! Go out and buy one! You wont regret it for a second. I sure hope I can get Lamborghini's attention, I want to take this car to the factory in Italy for the 4th time and show it off to all the engineers there. :)
I've said a similar sentiment previously, but when the masses find your channel, and the quality videos you produce, the subscriptions are going to go through the roof. I have no doubt.
Well thank you ATOM! Have to keep providing value to a community I wanted to be a part of since I was a kid, and the rest will fall into place!
Here is the future and I am happy to have you along for the ride!
@@TheBullRider I am happy to be part of the ride!
Hope your channel goes BIG and successful! Not many people dare to get into this kind of work on Audis with this kind of timing chain arrangement, let alone can explain it in this easily understandable and digestible manner. Great work, will be waiting for more videos, they are a great inspiration for projects like this.
Fastboatster, why thank you sir! I'm happy to hear that this knowledge that I'm sharing is inspiring you to work on big and audacious projects of your own and simplifying systems that appear complex from initial impressions.
Thanks for this wonderful insight into the engine timing of the V10 . I loved it
Right on Otsef! Im glad you liked this video. Its a simple elegant design once you look at it enough!
Wow, being a motorcycle mech since the early eighties and knowing the constant and ongoing struggles the japanese engineers have had with chain drive camshafts ,my first impression when i saw under the main cover was "oh gawd no! That aint gonna last." I'm not surprised you guys are getting good at changing that debacle out.
Watsis, haha yes this design does have some issues. If only the engineers in Japan would have a few phone calls with the engineers in Germany and Italy and we would probably have a lot less issues!
With frequent oil changes, these chains are good for about 100k and its always good to see that they revised and upgraded the components over time too!
True earned specific knowledge, not showy "I bought the (fill in the catchphrase) in the country, type entertainment mindless content. I am in awe. You have gained a humble follower.
Repomex, I am humbled by your response. I will keep working hard to deliver everything I know to you in the future. I'm happy that I can help simplify such an elegant and beautiful timing system for you
Great video. You explained everything very well and made the timing chains replacement look easy to replace
Another great video man! They are so detailed it's awesome
Glad you liked this one Juan! Now you know how to do engine timing on almost every Audi from 2003 and up!!
what an elegant piece of metal art, its huge when you see that engine outside the car...great job Richard
Craig, thank you sir. Glad you liked the video!!
Your channel is way more exciting than Wheeler Dealers, so keep it going bro Richard! 💪
Michael, well thank you! Wheeler Dealers is cool too! I will keep going, thank you for the kind words of encouragement!
Unreal video! Should have way more recognition and followers!!
Well thank you Ben. Im glad you liked the video!
I really enjoyed this video. The content, video & audio quality are excellent.
Thank you Ralph. Glad to hear that the video and Audio quality is top notch as well as the clarity of work. Hope it helped you on your car!
Thank you for all the content!!
Im happy to do it Rubens Studio. Hope it helps you work on your car when you need it!!!
Dude you rock!!!! Thanks for this video it has helped me greatly😁
Tremendous video! I wish I could give it more than one like 👍🏼 👍🏼 👍🏼
Justin, well thank you sir! I appreicate the kind words.
Don’t own a Lamborghini . Retired 40 year master auto tech . 10/10 on the video . All the important info with good editing .
Thank you Randy! I am humbled that you enjoyed the work on this monster V10 so much!
just found your channel, I love it.
Im glad you like the channel sellingthewind! I appreciate you reaching out
This is awesome!! The timing is so elegant on these cars.
Cami, thank you. It is a totally beautiful system. Elegant and functional.
@@TheBullRider I hope to get my hands on one someday. Till then, I'll have to live vicariously through you!
@@camiburnett9385 Right on! Keep working hard, I know you will get one yourself!
@@TheBullRider I'll have an Aventador SV by next year!
Keep up with great quality videos 🙂
I will keep working hard Marko! Im glad you liked the video and thank you for reaching out!
how do you not have more subscribers, this was AWESOME
Thank you JuSt 4 FuN! I am glad you liked the video. I am honestly humbled by everyone that wants to follow along on the journey with this beautiful car! Thanks for reaching out
This is truly great engineering.
Michael, it totally is! It looks complicated upon first impression but once you understand the design, it is so elegant!
What a fine piece of machinery that engine is. Relieves just a bit of the pain of working on it.
Peter, the hard part is getting to the chains! Once we take apart enough of the car to get to them, the procedure is really easy!
Great video. I love engine videos and building engines. Audi VW love there triple star bolts
Adrian, I have a love hate relationship with those bolts. Haha! One one hand I can never seem to find the right socket length for those triple star fasteners but on the other hand Ive never stripped one out!!
Im glad you liked this video sir! Glad it showed you a thing or two about the 5.0 V10
beautiful.....good work
Eli, thank you sir! It was an absolute joy!
Legend, thank you
Well, am a BMW mechanic and never worked on an audi or Lamborghini engine. Always thought the timing is a pain in the bum on those engines. You proved that wrong tonight to me. Thanks you and much appreciated.
Right on Arjun! It looks complicated at first sight but once you see where everything goes, it gets simpler doesn't it? Heck, I have never worked on a BMW and have fears about VANOS issues that you would probably think the same thing about!
@@TheBullRider yes sir. Looks complicated at first glance and when you explained it in the video, it's not that complicated and pretty brilliant. Ya, BMW got fair share of timing/ vanos nightmares. Haha.
@@ryder2shae Yes exactly, but once you fix it, they are typically very reliable!
@@TheBullRider 🙏
Hey, nice youtube channel you are setting up. The simplicity of your videos makes you unique. Keep it up. I would also replace the connecting rod bearings in the engine! Why do I say this, we repaired a burned Lamborghini Gallardo on our RUclips channel and after 50km of driving these are now broken. If we had known that this is a weak piece of a gallardo engine , we would have replaced it immediately.
Hi Twins.TV, glad you liked the channel. The whole goal is to help others not be afraid to work on their Lamborghini and treat it like any other car!
I watched the video of your Gallardo and maybe the motor had oil starvation due to the fire? That is the only way I could see the rod bearings failing on this motor! Hope you got it fixed and it is up and running. Keep me updated on the progress, it will be a lovely car once it is sorted! I'm excited for you.
Lovely video as a mechanic I really enjoyed it and I am glad that there are people who can afford Lamborghini but also work on it themselves
Ruslan, I appreciate your perspective as a mechanic and that you liked the video on this awesome timing system!
I am going, to be honest with you, I was a dreamer for this Gallardo Superleggera for 6 years and finally gave myself permission to buy it and work on it. I hope that you do the same and follow your dreams (even if it is a Ferrari and not a Lamborghini, but I won't judge :D )
@@TheBullRider I just enjoy your work, honestly I don't care about what kind of vehicle it is. :D
@@ruslanivanov9803 Right on Ruslan! Ill keep up the good work!
thanks mate, i need this tutorials
Right on Paman! Glad you liked it! Do you have a Gallardo?
OMG that's amazing. How many engines have you taken apart?..most of the time i dont know what you are talking about, but just here enjoying the mechanical marvel. Oh very awesome for your wife to help as well, my wife just drives i am lucky if she helps out with the car wash once in a blue moon whahaa. Fantastic work about finding the audi parts without the dreadful exotic tax, very valuable info. Great stuff!
Im glad you liked this one Ric! I have taken apart a few but its just a wonderful hobby to learn about engine designs of any kind.
It sounds like you need to enlist your wife's support more. I'm sure she would love to spend time with you in the garage if you bribe her with coffee or dinner as I do with my wife!
Thank you ❣️☺️🔥💯
Glad you liked the video Byt Byt!!
Thanks RUclips... totally needed to know this for the lambo I don’t own
Glad your here Davie even if you dont have a Lamborghini YET! If you have a R8 or a V8 Audi or Volkswagen, this will come in handy too!
Parabéns pelo vídeo bom canal show🇧🇷
OFICIAL, fico feliz que tenha gostado do vídeo! Espero que tenha simplificado algumas coisas para você para o seu carro também se você tiver um Audi ou VW
45 seconds in and I'm over my head already. Cool stuff Richard. You played with legos as a kid, right?
Dave, its simple my friend. Just watch it three times and you will get the hang of it! Haha!
Love the video , I'm going to keep it 💯 this is the only way I can afford a Lamborghini if I can work on it my self ... Thank you homie 😎💯🙏
Juan, im glad you liked the video! You do not want to know what the dealer would charge for something like this. It would make bill gates broke sending this car to the dealer! Haha
@@TheBullRider thanks for responding , I bet it cost a lot. I challenge my self this year to level up in every aspect. Body, Mind and Spirit. it has always been a child hood dreams to own a Lamborghini that's how I came across your videos much love and respect. Have a great day homie 🙏💯😎
@@juanraigosa139 Keep working hard Juan! I can really relate to that a lot. I think a lot of us have this childhood dream of owning a Lamborghini! Once you start that monster up for the first time and you know it is 100% all yours, the journey will be well worth it!
I'm excited for you to pick one up and check back in or shoot me a message on Lamborghini talk when you get it! I want to see it.
i love the engine design
Isnt it cool Maykil? Once you understand it, its so simple yet elegant!
@@TheBullRider yeah😊😊😊
It’s so nice to see that,
1. Cams can stay in to remove head
2. Cams get locked down so they don’t jump
3. Crank is locked down
In my opinion i think it’d be even MORE nerve racking just REMOVING this engine
As long as you’re partner in crime is as awesome as yours seems to be there’s seems like this job could be a breeze.
P.s. thank you…THANKYOU for allowing comments. It shows that you’re open to all types of advice and open to criticism.
Not like my word means all that much but the video is awesome and I’m gonna try to share everywhere I can.
a Singh, I appreciate you reaching out and I appreciate any constructive criticism that you would see fit regarding what you saw in the video. I'm not perfect and always looking to improve!
Im glad you liked the video and it helped you see how simple this timing system really is once we know where everything goes and how to do it properly!
Dang dude, you can work on some cars. Very impressive and yes, I'm jealous
Thank you Matt! No need to be jealous! Hell, im jealous of your mustang GT. The foxbody is my favorite mustang. I have been eyeing a notchback for years.
Awesome
Right on Jonathan! Glad you liked it!
Great video! Love DIY stuff like this. So many bolts are torqued spec'd to only 10 Nm which is almost nothing. Doesn't it seem it won't be enough? Did you replace the chains with new ones? Do you replace the rubber belt at 29:15?
Jink, yep only 10nm for the T30 torx. You don't want to overtighten them in an aluminum block. The loading on those fasteners is in shear, not in tension so the torque only needs to be enough to keep the fastener in place.
I replaced the chains yes, it is essential that you do that! They are cheap too.
I didnt replace the belt but did tension it to 140Hz. You can get that belt off no problem with the motor in the car.
Ok, I just pulled the engine out of my veyron, but a few things are different. I’ll just grind a bit off the cam chain tensioner and take a few links out of the cam chain. Thanks for your help.
Sean, You crack me up! If you had a Veyron, I would work on it for free. Just pay me in beers and let me record the motor pull.
BTW my favorite tool is the angle grinder too!
Excellent explanation with details that made everything simple, logical, and clear. Did you study any kind of science or engineering? Or all this comes natural to you?
Khalil, I'm glad you liked the video and the explanation! Its a beautiful system isn't it? Im happy that I presented such a complicated system to you in a way that you could understand. I will keep working hard to do this in the future!!!
Thank you for asking! I do have a degree in Aerospace Engineering and also worked as an engineer, manufacturing spacecraft, but I have had a long-term passion for everything Audi and Lamborghini since I was a kid!
I feel it's this passion that drives me to help you with your car too!
Bloody good video. I would donate if possible
Muckman, glad you liked the video!
@@TheBullRider do you have a factory workshop manual ? If so where can I get one?
@@muckman5509 I have one for the LP Gallardo but not the Pre LP. There is a lot of similiarity though so it gets me a long way.
Here is a link to the download:
lambobullrider.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Lambo-LP560-Manual.pdf
It's always a treat to see Audi and VW symbols everywhere on Lambo and Bentley products
Austin, its like finding a hidden easter egg that saves you money!!
Crazy how close the timing chain setup in the rear is so similar to the b6/b7Audi s4 v8 setup, sadly you couldn’t use the rs4 guide to replace that top middle guide.
That is exactly right Aldin! Its such a treat coming from the Audi world seeing this same design passed down from that platform. And yes, it would be cool to use that RS4 guide on the top but at least we can replace that pesky one on the bottom left that loves to fail!
Very interessting
Im glad you liked the video gnnnh! This timing system is elegant once you understand it huh?
I haven’t got a Lamborghini engine , but anyway it is very interesting to see how to work on one 👍🙂
Im glad you enjoyed the video Pasha. These cars are a joy to work on, especially the timing system like you saw. Pure elegance in design!
i like your explane
Are you sure that crank turning tool also works for the 5.2 v10? I thought it was T40146 for the 5.2. I will need it for the carbon build up removal. Got to turn the engine by hand. thanks
Gli, that is a good question. I believe it works for the s6 and s8 v10. T40146 looks like its for the r8 v8. Buy the tool on amazon for 10$ and try it. Officially, Audi and Lambo will tell you it won't work like how it doesn't on my pre-Lp but I would bet you a beer that it does.
Tripple SQUARE😂 But Good video!
Keegan, haha you crack me up. I tend to be the master of the "Freudian Slip!" XZN, Twelve Point Triple Square, Twelve Point Triple Star, Spline Bit. "Tomato-tomato" as they say right?! Haha I'm glad you liked the video.
@@TheBullRider all the other acceptable, but a square has 4 sides so 3 of them is 12! A tripe star would be 15 points. Its more the math for me:))
@@keeganpock864 Right on, thanks for the input Keegan.
Can the cam to intermediate gear chain be removed without dropping the engine main timing cover?
Next time grab the upper metal guide also! I’ve seen that one break also on a few s4 with about 100k miles on them
Brayden, I didnt know that PN existed! I will definitely put that on there the next time I am in the motor. Thanks for the tip.
This timing chain setup looks almost EXACTLY like a b6 b7 s4 4.2 timing setup. Does the rs4 center upper metal guide fit this engine as well?is bet it does. Or a Q7 4.2 BAR engine as they also have metal guides.
Hello Algorithm. Never thought I'd see a Lambo engine from inside like that.
Hi Macintoshiba, glad the algorithm brought you here. Hope you liked the video! This timing system is elegant isn't it?
@@TheBullRider yes, very!
Richard, fantastic work !!! You really do make it look easy. Your explanation during the process is clear and concise.... congratulations, can't wait to hear her roar !!! curious what the total cost of parts was for this rebuild ??
Deuce, why thank you sir! Im glad you liked the video. I make it look easy because it is! Total cost was about 3k. I bought the gasket kit from Lamborghini for $1700. Big mistake, should have bought the gaskets separately. The valve cover gaskets are 400$ EACH. Makes me want to reach out to gasket companies to make aftermarket ones!
The timing components all in with new chains and everything was about $1000. Not bad right?
@@TheBullRider
Thats not bad at all !!! You have done some cool things with your SL in the short time you've had her. Your videos are a great resource for DIY.. .great work !!! Your timing is also great as she will be ready for summer!!! Can't wait to hear her...won't be too long now, so exciting !!!
@@ndpesicgroup I am so stoked my friend. Summer is calling!! Hoping this video helps out others in the future (Yourself included ;) )
@@TheBullRider
You bet, i also have never seen the engine apart like this...im in awe of the engineering, your lighting really shows it's guts with detail....great work there.... yeah, I'm definitely getting one, no question....I've grown to appreciate the engineering more so....
@@ndpesicgroup These are so simple Deuce. The motor is an elegant engineering masterpiece of simplistic design and well thought out detail. I love it when car platforms are entirely designed around one motor like the Gallardo was. Not 6 different motors from a I4 to a V8 like other manufacturers.
Overall the preLP is just a wonderful formula!
Do you have an updated link for the Crank Lock Pin? I assume the 3242 is the correct one but would like to be sure.
Patrick, 3242 is the correct one that I used in the video. Here is an updated link. www.fcpeuro.com/products/audi-vw-volkswagen-tdc-lock-pin-tool-cta-2872
I couldn't find just the crank lock pin on amazon, but what you are looking for that I have confirmed fitment for is the "Audi B5 S4 2.7TT Crank Locking Pin" You can also search the "D2 S8 4.2 Crank Locking Pin"
Just in case anyone is looking for triple star , he was just saying it incorrectly and you wont find triple stars(15 points) If you need to buy the sockets they are called Triple Square because they are three squares(12 points). They are one of the more common bolts used by the german auto manufacturers. They are also known as XZN.
Hey Bull Rider , I can t find the part nr for those tiny O-rings! can you help please?
One more sub hope you get a reward
Hey thank you ImperatoR DSG. Glad you liked the video! This timing system is elegant isn't it?
I'm liking this engine design. It seems like an easy engine to work on, other than all those chains!
Seriously, it's simple to assemble by your videos. Although I hate torque to yield type bolts. I just can't get used to the idea of tightening a bolt to spec, then giving it 90 degrees more, or even more! That just doesn't seem right to me... lol
Mario, those chains are easy peasy once you take a look at them for a few minutes and figure out where everything goes. Watch my video 3 times, help out the analytics and you too will be a "timing chain warrior!" LOL
I couldn't agree more about torque to yield bolts! They give me sketchy vibes too even as an engineer!
You are liking this engine design. You are mad mad. This is only showing you one small Part of this chain job.
To do a chain job on a this Volkswagen/ Audi either a V6 or V10 you have to drop the engine and hearbox out of the car. Take the body up in the air. Seperate the gearbox away from the engine and the. Remove the clutch assembly.
All this because the chains are at the rear of the engine not the front. W
@@enesfazlic6017 Enes, I know right! Its too complicated for just one video! I am also all too familiar with the "service position" on older audis or the b6 s4 where EVERYTHING has to come out to get to the chains! But its well worth it knowing you have done a good job at the end of the day.
It's amazing how the chain assemblies are probably zinging at redline.
Mikey, the sound of this motor is amazing. The chain noise coupled with the sound of the 5-1 merge collectors though the straight piped active OEM exhaust is a deafeningly beautiful blend of engineering and passion.
Very similar to 3.0 tdi audis. Amazing its so similar, knowing that 5.0 are pre-audi engines. But honestly anyone can see its actually Audi design, even though they didn't officially work together back then.
Yes it is crazy similar Anze. Its very closely related to the 4.2 FSI in the b7 rs4 with the intake and exhaust VVT. Always nice to use Audi stuff when you can and save a big chunk of cash!
I'd like to know why you didn't look for chain timing marks, as well as timing marks on sprockets when install new timing chain back in..??
Luis, great question! This practice with lining the chains to timing marks is commonly seen on older belt/chain hybrid drive systems such as the 1.8T, 2.7T, 2.8, and 4.2 motors from Audi/VW in the early 2000s.
This setup is a tad bit different and honestly simpler! Haha
When installing the new chains, the camshafts and crankshaft is locked in place with the cam lock bars and crank lock pin at Top Dead Center.
The cam phasers that we installed at 23:00 in the video, were still decoupled from the camshafts but coupled to the chains. When my wife tensioned the phaser at 26:43, she took all the slack out of that chain. And then when I went to apply final torque to the phasers, this coupled the chain to the camshafts through an interference fit on the phasers. Since the cam lock bar and crank lock pin was in at that point, there was no slack on any of the chains and everything was perfectly locked in and timed perfectly!
Does that help clarify it?
is there a specific rotation for the cam phaser notch? Or does it bolt on any direction?
Damien, the cam phaser can be installed in orientation. There is no notch or key for the phaser.
@@TheBullRider thank you for answering the most asked question
It sounds like my tension shoe has failed. I have a clack clack noise coming from that spot and everything else checks out good. How many hours do you reckon it is to do the job after the engine is pulled? I guess the heads have to come off? Can it be done with sump off and not touch the cam chains?
Robonza, first off have you determined if your power steering is still good? The pump is in the same area.
Do this, pull the top timing covers off your motor that I showed you at 2:34. ruclips.net/video/HtVgqn4cNUc/видео.html
Then stick a cheap amazon borescope in there to see if there is indeed a broken chain guide. amzn.to/3EnmFRE
You CAN do the job without the motor pulled. You can pull the transmission and the clutch, then pull the timing covers off to replace the guides. You dont need to pull the dry sump off the motor at all.
I played it safe in this video by removing the cylinder heads( they needed to come off anyway) but you CAN do this job without taking off the heads. You can absolutely get to every aspect of the chains and replace everything you need to.
One caviat to doing this in the car is that the crank lock pin location is directly behind a frame rail and it will be tricky to get the pin in. While it CAN be done in the car, for that reason I recommend pulling the motor.
If you need any further help or guidance, shoot me an email at lambobullrider@gmail.com or shoot me a message on Lamborghini talk under "The Bull Rider"
Im here to help!
@@TheBullRider Thanks so much for your response. I have emailed you. Please check your junk if its not in the inbox.
@@Robonza I got it, ill take a look!
Now i need only a Lamborghini to change the chain😂
Haha you crack me up Razvan, before you pick up your Lamborghini, you might have a Audi V8 or VW V8 that can use this same procedure too!
Apparently it's possible to put the timing chain cover back on without removing the heads. Talked to several ex Audi mechanics who say it's possible. Only an old wobbly headgasket will cause issues.
I have heard that too AKS74U, just my luck would have it end terribly and the cylinder heads have to come off anyway! LOL
Manufacturers can decide to keep and pay for exclusive rights to parts from their original suppliers. The different brands within the corporation can have different length exclusivity agreements. See ground off logo and part numbers all the time on supplier brand parts. INA for Euro stuff and Aisin for Asian makes are two brands you can find that do lots of OE logo and part number grinding.
Jimmy you're totally right on that. I appreciate your perspective on the legal side of things. Luckily for us when we see ground off part numbers we can know that we're getting a good part still and saving money at the same time!!
An interesting perspective is that some European cars come with Aisin transmissions. Funny huh?
I drive a honda and have no idea why I am here, but I intend to watch the whole video anyways
Haha Ooga, you crack me up! I'm glad you liked the video even if you don't have a Lamborghini YET! And if you ever pick up a v6 or v8 Audi/VW, you will know what to do.
How does it cost, replacement parts ? And How much for the labor ?
Tec. Israel Gonzalez, the timing chain parts are about 800$. Rest of the Lamborghini parts you need are about 2000$ depending on what you do when your in there and the labor is around 10,000-15,000. Thats why its best to do it yourself!!! And Its FUN!
As a master Vw Tech, the thumbnail that was shown is the same as the v6 tdi bottom end. The heads are obviously different.
Adam, that is so cool! Its wonderful that you can share parts across so many platforms and let Audi/VW worry about the simple stuff to give time to Lamborghini to make the best sounding V10 they can! Thanks for reaching out.
at 17:30 I'm pretty sure those are NOT the same bolts. You should looking for 2 values printed on the bolts wich are the class bolts. The tightening procedure should be different too, because the two bolts doesn't work under the same stress level. Be aware on those little detail.
Anthonny, you really make some good points. And you're right on the money about looking at the fasteners for determining what metallurgical properties of bolts are made out of. These are both grade 12.9 fasteners. Another thing I wanted to mention is that these fasteners are from the 4.2 FSI to include the b8 rs5 and the q7 4.2 motor which has a higher compression ratio of 12.5:1 as opposed to this motor with a compression ratio of 11:1. This 4.2 FSI has an identical torque spec callout of 30nm, 60nm, 90 deg, 90 deg.
I appreciate you reaching out and mentioning all of this and I could understand your hesitancy regarding installing this fastener on your car, but its a good bolt!!
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This is gold, Richard, gold! Or as you'd say, money! :-D The head gasket sure is an odd design, tho.
Tanel, Im glad you liked this! Haha or as my wife would say "the sexiest thing she has seen all day"
Isn't that head gasket odd? I've seen some take that timing cover off without taking the heads off but I don't see how you could get it back on. Hopefully I wont have to ever find out.
@@TheBullRider I think REPerformance mentioned that the 5.0 can be killed by oil starvation by debris falling into the sump when doing the timing chain. Never made sense to me, until now.
@@tanelrebane I have never heard that! Interesting. Do you know what video it is? I think the biggest problem is a loose chain from the guides falling apart and then the valves having fun with the tops of pistons! Haha
@@TheBullRider I don't remember, unfortunately. Also, I could be mistaken on it being the timing chain, but I am 100% certain they mentioned that they had seen engines fail due to a service job where debris had fallen in the sump and led to oil starvation.
@@tanelrebane I will take a look. You have piqued my interest! Those guys are awesome in the knowledge base they share about these cars.
Looks nearly identical to doing a timing chain on a VW/Audi which makes sense seeing as VW owns them. Mind blowing to me that they would still use plastic guides on a six figure supercar though.
TheFlyingPLiner, you are exactly right. It is almost identical to what you see on a 2007 Audi RS4 or V8 R8!
I think with those plastic guides, it was just the best that they had at the time and usually only failed with neglected oil changes. When they went with the 5.2 V10 in the 2009-2014 Lamborghini Gallardo, we got upgraded metal guides like the ones we installed in the video!
Why am i watching this, i don't own a lambo, and I never think of getting one.
J.Gomez! Haha you crack me up dude! Don't get an Audi or VW either then. Keep in mind these only go bad at around 100k with frequent oil changes so it isn't that bad!! Hahaha
hahahahahahaaaaaaah!
(that's that sound of a v10 tdi laughing in gear train)
xXmeanyheadXx, Being the former owner of a VW Touareg and seriously considering the V10TDI as a DD, I am so happy I didnt LOL!!!!
That had to be designed in Germany... no one else in the world would over-complicate such a simple system for no good reason, then take the time to machine a groove, but not machine it for a real seal...
Would it be easier to do the accy chain guide with that top idler sprocket bolt removed? (put the sprocket and guide in together) For setting on the heads, take 2 long bolts cut the heads off, and use them as guides.
Looks like the driveshaft bearings are just off the shelf 2RS bearings, I would consider changing them while you are there, or at least popping out one of the seals to take a look inside
ACatKrom. I do agree with you about the sealing mechanism. It would be nice to get a gasket in there instead of having to clean off that RTV. I am still doing research to see if they changed this design with a future revision on the 5.2 V10.
I don't think it would be easier to remove that sprocket if only for the effort of having to buy a new fastener! That chain was relatively easy to get on but it would for sure help to have more than two hands and maybe a plastic shim tool to place the chain over the guide.
Looking back, I agree. I should have replaced those bearings, they are cheap enough but weren't making noise thankfully. Also should have measured them, probably could have gotten them off McMaster for a good sum less than OEM Lamborghini!
if anybody was wondering why these cars don't last long here you go
Cory, they are a tad complicated! But the reward at the end is firing it up again and enjoying that sweet V10 sound.
@@TheBullRider aftehow many miles on that engine before you have to do that service?
@@coryament Cory, if you change your oil frequently I would recommend every 100k miles. With neglected oil changes, these chain guides sometimes fail as early as 40k miles.
it’s like a swiss watch
Boostjunky, couldn't agree more. Its the most satisfying thing in the world checking timing with the crank lock pin and the cam lock pins after turning the motor over a few times and everything lines up perfect!
I’m now ready to time my Lamborghini!!! Oh wait…
Haha you crack me up Michael. Heck, if you have a V8 or V6 Audi or when you pick up a Audi R8, you will know what to do!!
“It’s easy” yea I mean if you mean “makes you consider suicide” when you say “easy” then yea, that sure looks easy 😂
Hahaha Mizaq you crack me up! Lets just say I am a bit of a Masochist!! It is a PITA but at the end of it, you can hear that monster V10 fire up again and its all worth it!
You click the torque wrench ONE time not TWO times just to make sure. One click.
Fair enough Airwolf! Thank you for the suggestion, never really gave it much thought but I will look into it!
I don't know what chain brand you used but I would be weary of using anything but Iwis.
BBLK68, they were IWIS. IWIS or OEM! Thanks for reaching out
@@TheBullRider we had an issue for a time when Rotax went away from Iwis with terrible results, so i swiftly contacted Iwis direct, bought lots and sold them around the world, thats until rotax went back to them
@@bigblock1968impala Haha I like that. Your a smart man. I should do a timing chain comparison looking at the other brands.
Those head bolts look different. Are you sure they are the exact same size? Maybe it's just an illusion with the colors and the camera
Good question and yes they are! The old one was a bit discolored due to the engine oil but they are both grade 12.9 fasteners of the same length and size. The new fastener is from a b8 rs5 with the 4.2 FSI with a higher compression ratio than this V10. These fasteners in the b8 rs5 also follow the same 30nm ,60m, ,90 degree, 90 degree torque order as well!
Working on de floor ,motor on a piece of wood ?
Haha Yes Marc! Problem is you cant put it on an engine stand because then you cant get to the chains! Its so heavy, it would probably break my table too haha.
I’d never take the heads off. What a massive amount of work that’s not needed.
Also, they are triple squares.
Triple stars would be a 15 point.
Dan, I appreciate your input! I had to take off the heads anyway to work on the valves and valve stem seals! Have you done this timing job without getting the heads off? How did you re install the timing cover without messing up the cylinder head gasket? The Service Manual calls for cylinder head removal. At least on this cylinder head gasket design I see it being a requirement. Id appreciate your input!
And yes, triple star/triple square. One of those classic Freudian slips! I'm good at those! LOL
@@TheBullRider I have done many.
As long as you don’t kink the head gasket it’s fine. Little tricky with the shaft at the bottom but it’s doable.
You do have to remove those 2 larger sprockets with the heads on. But it saves a lot of time and money on gaskets.
@@Heartbeat1991 Interesing perspective Dan. Yeah if it wasn't for having to take the heads off anyway, I might of done it! I've seen pics where other have done it before but I just didn't have any confidence in the sealing mechanism of that gasket since you have to slide the timing cover off the dowels.
I will do it that way once this Superleggera hits 200k miles! Deal?
And yeah haha those sprockets get in the way on the b6 s4. I took them off instinctually on this motor too!
@@TheBullRider as you know, all the VAG timing chains are almost the same.
@@Heartbeat1991 Haha yeah isnt it great? Once you upgrade a few of the faulty components, these chain systems are rather reliable! Im sure you would agree.
Nice video.
And from me a thump up !
But I know why we find no service + repair ...
... of a supercar at youtube.
Yes I know that *the value of a super car* with
- no orignal labeld parts and
- no orginal service
- no online history at the manufacturer servers
- is low ! Very low !
- problem when your children sell these car in 20 years
- a problem when you don't say and write: self-service work and OEM part (not marked AUDI or Lambo )
= *is lower* !
Yes I know when I sell a car
... with no history at the online service server from Lambo/Ferrari/Audi/BMW/Mercedes/Porsche/Maserati/Bently/Nissan GT-R
... a new owner look for it and pay additional less for the car
... the new owner will look mutch deeper in the car
Today you safe a lot of money. True true
Ok you need a lot of money to hold the car running on the street.
Ok, you are not able to pay the full service contract from Lambo (or for other european car brands).
But I know you have today and now
a lot of fun on the road.
And car mechanic service is sometimes fun and good for the brain ...
And I can use my AUDI Service Training Papers/CD/DVD/PDF/knowledge
Ok and you can use your training course knowledge.
Callis, I could understand your perspective regarding your concern with using aftermarket/Audi parts on a Lamborghini and lowering the value of the car at the end of the day.
However, Audi has owned Lamborghini since the mid 90s and this car uses a significant amount of Audi parts to both reduce cost and increase reliability. The parts that came on this timing system for instance are labeled with the Audi logo. When we buy a part from Lamborghini, it has an Audi logo on it and the part number is typically from another car.
With regards to the non branded parts used in this video, they are honestly superior to what OEM Lamborghini would sell you and removes a significant issue that these timing systems are prone to. As this car gets older, Lamborghini is less likely to revise the drawings to the latest revised part numbers for the car and as such the parts that Lamborghini says will fit are typically an inferior design to what the latest and greatest design is.
what about the timing marks?
Swify Lightstone that is a good question. This practice with lining the chains to timing marks is commonly seen on older belt/chain hybrid drive systems such as the 1.8T, 2.7T, 2.8, and 4.2 motors from Audi/VW in the early 2000s. Like how on the 2.7T VVT mechanism we had to make sure we counted the links between the cam teeth etc.
This setup is a tad bit different and honestly simpler! Haha
When installing the new chains, the camshafts and crankshaft is locked in place with the cam lock bars and crank lock pin at Top Dead Center. This insures the motor is in time perfectly before we tighten everything down.
The cam phasers that we installed at 23:00 in the video were still decoupled from the camshafts but coupled to the chains. When my wife tensioned the phaser at 26:43, she took all the slack out of that chain. And then when I went to apply final torque to the phasers, this coupled the chain to the camshafts through an interference fit on the phasers. Since the cam lock bar and crank lock pin was in at that point, there was no slack on any of the chains and everything was perfectly locked in and timed perfectly!
does that make more sense?
@@TheBullRider makes much more sense, thanks ^^
Nice Volkswagen 🐂
Exactly Andreas! My thought is you let Audi/VW worry about the small stuff like making an alternator, timing parts, coilpacks etc and Lamborghini has plenty of time to worry about making a screaming V10 with 5-1 equal length headers!
My goodness, have the Audi engineers forgotten how to build engines?? Wharever happended to timing belts?.. Which is much more easy to service, and gives much more accuracy timingwise, and is quiet through service life. I am shocked.. Engine out for timing service. What a mess. Are engines only meant to last 100.000 km?
Trond, I appreciate your perspective on this but the hybrid drive timing belt systems found on Audis earlier than this Lamborghini V10 were not that much better!
I think they went with this chain driven system to have variable valve timing on the intake and exhaust cam as opposed to just the intake cam in previous belt driven engine designs.
Your video doesn't play guy.
Im sorry to hear that Jay! Are you watching on your phone? Maybe resetting your phone would help?
looks like a damn nightmare
Haha you crack me up Dallas. It is, in its own special way a nightmare but it is also cool knowing at the end of the day that everything in that monster of a V10 is done perfect!
Very complicated design, too many chains for my liking but at least the roller chain is better than those old 'slient' chains... hyvo ? ... imagine how much fun it would have been if toothed belts were used !
Anyway it's all going the way of the Dodo now we are all going electric......
Thakery, I have experienced my fair share of toothed belt hybrid chain drive systems on the early 2000s Audi 4.2 V8s and 2.7/2.8 V6s. They are their own bucket of fun. To compare the two, I would definitely pick this chain drive system any day of the week.
With this design we have VVT on both the intake and exhaust cam with up to 42 degrees of variability!
The problem with this design on other cars like the Audi b6 s4 is that when it needs to be replaced, a mechanic will charge 5-7k on a car that is probably worth about 15k!
@@TheBullRider That is the problem with big cars, you get big bills - I am quite happy with my late 2005 Skoda Octavia vRS wagon ( it's like an A4).... it has an AUQ version of the 1.8t 20 valve turbo that has VVT as well and it is fun without the huge bills as it is just a little 'four-banger' !
@@thakery5720 Yes! The transverse 1.8T. 5 Valves per cylinder with VVT on the intake cam. Hybrid belt, chain driven. Its a good motor. We get an almost identical motor here. The 5 valve per cylinder design is very unique, it stumps a lot of machinists haha
@@TheBullRider Ahh, the famous five ! that's half a V10 isn't it with 2.5 litre - the car I would buy if I win the lottery - Audi RS3.
Firms here are retuning them at over 600bhp.... in a fairly small - smaller then my Skoda but heavier at 1.55 ton - car. That is serious muscle car status.... 0 - 60mph in uder 4 seconds... as fast if not faster than my Harleys !
I was working for a car dealer a few years back and he took a Seat - VW group - car that had a 1.8t vvt engine in PX.Someone had tuned it and then traded it in for a bigger car for his growing family... this car had '270 bhpin a shoe-box' that weighed 1.1 tons.... Frightening !
@@thakery5720 Yeah the 2.5 is basically half a 5.2 V10! Have no doubt it is a excellent motor, and yeah 600 whp from one of those is honestly an easy affair. Without much work, you can get them to be faster than a TT Huracan.
You dont have to win the lottery to buy one of those Thakery, nor do you need to win the lottery to buy a Lamborghini!
I have an old Audi S4 with the twin turbo 2.7 V6. It sits at around 600 WHP on E85 and can run in the high tens in the 1/4 mile. If you want to talk about a scary shoe box!! Hahaha
Your making me want to build a 1.8T now
This is a nightmare and a half no need to be complicated to be good
JL B, I appreciate your perspective on this system. Hope that the video simplified some things for you on it though!
It is a cool system though for having both intake and exhaust variable valve timing up to 42 degrees for each cam!
Wouldn’t a belt make more sense if you replace the chains every 100,000 miles so it wouldn’t be an engine out job. Wait im an idiot but that means less money for Audi VW 😂