You're Watching the MCU Wrong: Phase 3
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- The Infinity Saga comes to a close as Hector Navarro’s tour through the Marvel Cinematic Universe continues with the best way to watch Phase 3 on today’s episode of Nerdist News!
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the people behind this comprehensive breakdown/ infographic does not get enough recognition - applause to y'all. this helps us a lot
Helstrom is very underrated, as is Cloak & Dagger and Runaways. Three terrific shows!
I plan on watching all this in one go leading up to Avengers Secret Wars... while walking on a treadmill.
All of it?
Helstrom is underrated definitely give it a chance
I think the current slate of movies and shows would take something like 8 and a half days? Good luck!
If you watch everything that is even remotely connected to the MCU that has come out to this date (including things like the Blade Series), it takes around 550 hours.
Assuming 3.5 miles per hour, that is a nice 1925 miles. That is more than the width of the USA.
You might get to fill up the whole 2k with all the shows that should come out until then.
What about Spiderman: Far from Home.? That was the last MCU movie of phase 3
Probably gonna start the Phase 4 viewing order with it.
@@razzledazzyl Close, but not quite! Tune in for next week!!
what i was thinking 🤔
Glad ur giving the lesser known shows attention
I would say the last 4 episodes of Agents of SHIELD season 5 are hard to place in the timeline because they mostly happen during Infinity War. And seasons 6 and 7 don't have to be watched before Endgame because they don't really take place in the same timeline.
Runaways season 3 takes place after Infinity War. Well episodes 5-10
I feel like putting two whole seasons of Agents of Shield between Infinity War and Endgame is the pinnacle of cruelty.
I'm putting those and Helstrom at the tail end, as part of a rather massive epilogue, together with Far From Home, Venom and Deadpool 2. Could almost be a Phase 3.5/Interlude, clocking in at around 2000 hours.
Other than that and breaking up Runaways into three chunks to watch with other stuff in between (and putting Guardians 2 into phase 2), my own list aligned pretty closely with yours this time around.
Black Widow should be watched during phase 3, either immediately after Civil War or Spider-Man Homecoming. It literally starts with her cutting and dying her hair to go on the run.
I think they aren't adding it because of its post-credit scene, as they seem to base alot of their film placement based on the post-credit scene
Ok u mentioned helstrom. Awesome
Such a unique and underrated show
Imo helstrom is mcu they just wanted to do their own thing
Canonicity has nothing to do with reception imo
Just cuz a product was poorly received doesn’t mean it’s least deserving of being canon by that logic everyone would be saying eternals isn’t canon
Inhumans is canon whether people like it or not
These have been great, helps remind me to go back and watch some amazing moments and shows
„Bring back Colleen Wing and Misty Knight, dammit!“
This. Everytime I see Jessica Henwick in something else I want her back in the MCU
Forgot about Helstrom...Cloak & Dagger and the Runaways are underated. Maybe they can come back in some iteration after Secret Wars 😬with Helstrom associated w/Blade or WWBN, the Runawys with the X-Men & (most definitely) C&D w/Spidey or DD!!!
So it helstrom
At least you guys are smart enough to know these shows are canon
Fun fact, in S1 of AoS Quake name-drops Micro from The Punisher. in Daredevil, Punisher also murders the Dogs of Hell, biker gang. Same Dogs of Hell that Lady Sif mollywhopped in Agents of Shield.
There’s also Hit Monkey and Modok
They do happen in another universe but so do the other Hulu marvel shows
True, but until they're referenced in the MCU proper, we'll leave them off our list. = )
Then we have to add Daredevil, Ghost Rider, every X-Men and Deadpool, all the cartoons, Japanese Spider-Man, comics, video games... Where does it end? Got to draw the line somewhere.
In my preferred viewing order I do a mix of chronological release and chronological timeline. Ultimately my viewing order concept revolves around if I were to edit the MCU into one big movie how would I do it so you can follow 30 plus movies and shows and still keep the pacing interesting. I start with Captain America the First Avenger because he is the first hero in the mcu. And then Thor so the audience knows pretty soon that there will be Cosmic elements to the following movies. Plus thor explains the history of the tesseract to this point which was a big part of the previous film and a key element of the whole phase 1. Next is Iron Man which ends with Fury telling Tony that he is part of a bigger universe that the audience has already got a glimpse of in Thor and Captain America. Next is the Incredible Hulk mainly because it has the post credit scene between Tony and Ross and it also splits up the first two Iron Man movies which drag the pacing down back to back. Next is obviously Iron Man 2 and then Avengers. Another reason I like doing thor at the beginning of the phase instead of right before Avengers is because you get introduced to Loki earlier and him being alive again in Avengers is a bigger shock compared to just having literally seen him fall into space and then next thimy he is alive with no explanation. Fitting three more movies in between the two also makes me as a viewer question how he's alive much less because more time has passed for the audience. I put Captain Marvel right after Avengers because again, it gives you a further history of the tesseract, and you get more Nick Fury who has had limited screen time throughout the series so far and fills him in as a character. It's also nice to see Agent Coulson again after he dies in avengers. Since Captain Marvel has a lot of the cosmic elements to its story and a cameo from Ronan the Accuser, next I take the whole timeline to space for a few movies with Guardians of the Galaxy, and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 which immediately introduces you to Thanos after the setup in Avengers and the two movies are roller coaster rides that blend really well into one another. Next is Thor dark World which picks up with Loki in the aftermath of Avengers and brings Thor back down to earth which segways really well back into the rest of the timeline. Next I put Captain America Winter Soldier because you see the US president and the fall of Shield which leads well into Iron Man 3 when the president is almost killed and it explains why Tony couldn't call on Fury or Shield while he was going through that movie because Shield wasn't around and fury was on the run. Next is Age of Ultron which after watching Guardians and having the Infinity Stones explained already, the audience can start to see the importance of the tesseract and the mind Stone and their greater connection to the rest of the stones. Next I put Ant-Man, Civil War and black widow since it follows Romanov on the Run. Black panther goes next picking up after the assassination of his father in Civil War. Then Spider-Man homecoming, also following the aftermath of Civil War, fits nicely after Black Widow and black panther because of Peter's recap of the airport fight while BW and BP both just pick up right after the events. Next is where I put Ant-Man and the wasp, which is one of my weirdest placements in the timeline, I only place it here because Doctor Strange, Thor Ragnarok, and Infinity War flow right into endgame. Next is Far From Home as sort of an epilogue for phase 3. Next is the first batch of MCU TV shows which follow the aftermath of the snappening and Loki's Disappearance in endgame. Loki, wandavision, Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Then back to the movies for Shang chi, Eternals, then Hawkeye (which takes place around the same holiday season that no way home does along with the Guardians holiday special $so they both follow. Next is What If? And Moon Knight. Then Docter Strange multiverse of Madness before Mrs. Marvel because you get Xavier's cameo and then the tease of mutants in the MCU proper. Next is Thor love and thunder and Black Panther 2 because they are each an emotional one-two punch movie night of grief and moving forward. Then She-Hulk and Antman quantomanium.
Captain America
Thor
Iron man
Hulk
Ironman2
Avengers
Captain Marvel
Guardians of the galaxy
Guardians 2
Thor 2
Captain America Winter soldier
Iron man 3
Avengers age of ulton
Ant man
Civil war
Black Widow
Black Panther
Spiderman homecoming
Antman and the wasp
Doctor strange
Thor Ragnorok
Infinity War
Endgame
Spiderman far from home
Loki
Wandavision
Falcon and winter soilder
Shang Chi
Eternals
Hawkeye
Spiderman no way home
Guardians of the Galaxy holiday special
What If?
Moon Knight
Docter Strange multiverse of Madness
Mrs. Marvel
Thor love and thunder
Black Panther 2
Shehulk
Ant-Man quantomanium
My dream secret wars is an avengers crossover with animated avengers. Ruffalo hulk meeting Fred tatasciore hulk would be fire
I hope they announce that cloak and dagger and hellstrom and modok and hit monkey all come to Disney plus
Hey what’s up so did you guys hear that marvel’s hit monkey was renewed to season 2 what does this mean for the other previous marvel cartoons also what are the chances of variants from all the marvel cartoons appearing in secret wars or do you think it’ll stick to live action only
I haven’t finished the last season of Runaways or Hellstrom but yea included everything
I saw a video where someone stated cloak and dagger maybe in 2015 but cool
This isn’t mcu but it would be cool to see a timeline video for the Disney XD marvel universe and other marvel stuff one day
You mentioned The Defenders series, but missed it on the list. Also, the Slingshot Agents of SHIELD webisode series.
Nope, we got Slingshot in there. And The Defenders was in our "Phase Two" video.
@@hectorminator Huh. Wow, how’d I miss those? Well, shut my mouth.
@@razzledazzyl I get it, we're all just super excited about it! haha
Thanks for watching! = )
@@hectorminator There’s a lot of content to cover. I’m missing stuff just watching these videos! 😂
If team Thor shorts where Canon the first 2 would be before ragnarok and the the last one after ragnarok
Up next will be the Disney+ shows!
Yay, y’all acknowledged Helstrom! 😁 That show desperately needs more love. I mean, the breakout star is literally named Elizabeth MARVEL. C’mon!
I only saw two episodes, I think. Nobody ever said it got good or was connected to anything, so I never got around to finishing it. Are you suggesting that I should?
@@Swenglish Oh, yeah. It's not mind-blowing but it's good. I'd put it on par with Cloak & Dagger or Punisher.
@@WhiteRaven696 I liked both of those well enough, so I guess I'll give it another chance.
@@Swenglish Just make sure you know what to expect going in; it’s not a horror show with family drama elements. It’s a family drama with horror elements. Gore level is on par with Punisher, but everything else is about on par with Cloak & Dagger.
@@WhiteRaven696 I don't mind that in theory as long as I find something about the characters that hook me in. The first couple of episodes didn't do it, but maybe I was too quick to give up.
Can you do a Star Wars timeline?
Is Muskwatch ever coming back ?
Is helstrom on here or is that too disconnected
Ok, I have questions... We included venom, Helstrom, and a few others that aren't directly in the Feige iteration of the MCU, and thus don't reference the major events. But ignore Legion, Deadpool, and the xmen movies? Or did I miss something. I'm not familiar with Helstrom so thank you for new stuff to watch.
The projects we included have so far been directly referenced in the MCU proper, the Marvel projects we haven't included haven't been mentioned in the MCU yet. But that might change in the future!
I think they aren't adding DP/X-Men because we haven't see DP3 yet, so they would rather wait and see how DP3 ties the other films with the wider MCU before adding it.
Legion takes place in a seperate universe from DP/X-Men films, so its unclear if that'll crossover with the MCU
8:39 should the captain marvel post credit scene still be considered canon since it wasn’t used in the movie and they changed how she arrived
AOS S6 is canon and the final eps of s7
I always thought Cap. Marvel showed up on Earth to investigate the beeper, as is shown in her post credits scene, and then hears about what happened to Tony in Infinity War and used that info to narrow down his approximate location in space so she could retrieve him in Endgame. It still fits together.
@@bobinschool maybe that’s what happened
@@bobinschool the way the movie played out it seemed like she found him by accident and he told here where to go
Captain marvel is the most powerful hero? Daisy Johnson would like to have a word with you
You must’ve forgotten Spider-Man Far From Home is the final film in Phase 3
Given they have placed alot of the movies based on the post-credit scene, i think they aren't adding FFH, because its post credit scenes leads directly to NWH
Why is Black Widow not right around Black Panther. It was very much right after Civil War and about a year before Infinity War. I thought the point of this list was to back the timeline make as much sense as possible. Black Widow's placement makes the move far stronger when placed in that location.
Because of their post credit rule, the post credit scene happens after The Blip so according to their rules, Black Widow would be considered a flashback for the Phase 4 marathon. Honestly, I'm okay with the post credit scenes happening out of order if the majority of the film happened at one specific point (ala The First Avenger would be my starting point) because the post credit scenes can be a fun bit of out of context foreshadowing but it's up to personal choice at the end of the day.
@@MFAniki6390 Or you just the post-credit scenes as shorts. Captain Marvel after Infinity War and Black Widow after Endgame.
Is legion apart of the mcu now should that be in the timeline yet or are we waiting
So far its not part of the MCU, its set in an alternate reality and there has not been any crossovers yet
@@eagc7 cool thanks
Inhumans. Is it worth it? Also, when are we getting our Colleen Wing/Misty Knight spinoff?
Yes
Like the show or not just because u weren’t satisfied with the show doesn’t mean that show shouldn’t be given a second chance to improve itself
my take on the inhumans show is that it got canceled too soon the show had room to find it’s footing and grow and improve if fans have it the time and patience
But with the toxicity and impatience of cancel culture no one gave this show the time it needed
If agents of shield got canceled after one season it wouldn’t have become as awesome as we know it
If only people gave inhumans that same patience to get better
The show could have had the biggest glo up ever like those ugly middle school kids that grow up to become hot
Agents of shield was just as panned when it came out imagine if that show got canceled after 8 episodes
But sadly because of the “fans” this show will forever be stuck in it’s ugly adolescence
The actors did their best with what they were given and what they had to work with they just needed a different direction
No one sets out to make something bad intentionally just cuz u didn’t connect with it doesn’t mean that someone else didn’t
We should be kinder to media we consume
Because art is subjective
Not every show gets it right at first a lot of shows need time to grow and course correct
Damn, Cancel Culture actually used for the first time ever to describe something correctly: Studios cancelling promising shows at the first sign of negative reception.
Just imagine, making a lot of money instead of all the money!
THE TRUE AND SIMPLE ANSWER
The Marvel Universe is most effectively engaged with as a 20 Film, Four Chapter Cycle. Yes, this means a LOT of material is thrown to the side and only the best and most essential material is included, with the intention of presenting a consistent, clear and concise narrative that has a clear First chapter and a clear End.
Four Chapters - Four Avengers Films
Chapter One - Paramount-Marvel Studios Hybrid Logo
1. Captain America: The First Avenger
2. Iron Man
3. Iron Man 2
4. Thor
5. The Avengers
6. Iron Man 3
Chapter Two - Marvel Studios Solo Logo Version 1
1. Thor: The Dark World
2. Guardians of the Galaxy
3. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
4. Avengers: Age of Ultron
5. Ant-Man
6. Captain America: Civil War
Chapter Three - Marvel Studios Solo Logo Version 2/Variant Version
1. Doctor Strange
2. Captain Marvel
3. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2
4. Thor: Ragnarok
Chapter Four
1. Black Panther
2. Ant-Man and the Wasp
3. Avengers: Infinity War
4. Avengers: Endgame
SIMPLE AS THAT
20 Films - 4 Chapters of "Mini-Arcs"....4 Avengers films. Consistent Logos for every film(No Universal Studios or Sony logos to be found)....it begins and ends with Captain America. The first film has "First" in the title and the ending as "End" in the title.
You also end the MCU with the final chronological appearances of essentially the three leads of the series: RDJ as Iron Man, Chris Evans as Captain America, and Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow.
It is also, sadly, the final chronological appearance of Stan Lee, William Hurt, and Chadwick Boseman within the MCU. It was truly the best end point the series ever reached. Going beyond has ultimately proven fruitless.
Bucky is not "fully healed". He's deprogrammed. His trauma and PTSD will never "fully heal"
Very true! How many of us are "fully healed"? Answer: none. Except maybe Mister Rogers.
Your list doesn't include Howard the Duck so your list is inaccurate.
Okay, I was mostly on board for your orders of Phases 1 and 2 (with some minor disagreements), but this order for Phase 3 is all FUBAR and I just can't get down with it. For one thing, you're jumping around between different TV shows when there's no real reason to do so. It makes just as much sense chronologically, and is far less disjointed in viewing, if you watch all the remaining Netflix shows from Jessica Jones S2 on after Agents of SHIELD Season 4, then watch Cloak & Dagger and Runaways in their entireties. But my biggest complaint is your using short post credits scenes as the basis for placing the films. It makes far more sense to place them based on when the majority of the film takes place (and this is what most other lists do). For example, most of Black Panther takes place a week after Civil War, so it should come next. Meanwhile, Spiderman, while starting out immediately after Civil War, mostly takes place a few months later during the school year, so it should come second. Again, Black Widow starts out immediately after Civil War, but mostly takes place months later and should be watched later on, either before or after Doctor Strange. Doctor Strange takes place over a long period of time, but the important part that should be the basis of placement is the battle against Dormammu, and certainly not a post credits scene that is simply repeated in a later movie. Captain Marvel takes place in 1995, but it makes sense to wait until closer to Endgame to watch it since she isn't involved until then. But placing that movie between Infinity War and Endgame completely derails the overall narrative. So I'd put it before Ant-Man 2 and Ragnarok when things start spiraling toward Infinity War. Finally, watch Ant-Man 2 first but skip the mid and post credits scenes. Then watch Ragnarok and Infinity War, then go back watch those Ant-Man 2 scenes before Endgame. This makes the most sense for how things happened. Oh and again, basing GOTG Vol.2's placement on a single post credits scene is , well, just dumb. It should go back up to Phase 2 after Vol. 1. If means that much to you, skip that one scene with teenage Groot until it's chronologically important. Finally, since Venom isn't part of any of this. just watch it after Endgame. Put it between phases 3 and 4.
I don't wanna ask new viewers, first time viewers, to have to stop the movie right before a scene they're not familiar with comes on and potentially spoils something like characters being dusted that will be ruined when they start watching AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR and they realize, "oh I guess Thanos is gonna win because I saw three characters disappear at the end of the last one." Or that Steve Rogers awakens in the future before they watch IRON MAN or THOR or THE INCREDIBLE HULK.
If you are just considering the middle, majority section of the movie, why not break it up based on timeline and just go scene by scene? Why not start with THOR: THE DARK WORLD that shows us the MCU thousands of years before anything? Then jump over to a few scenes from ETERNALS, and then back to some other movie for a few scenes there, and then back and forth?
We're trying to make things *simple* for everyone. I am totally aware of what other lists do. And those other lists have already done that, so we were not just gonna repeat what others have done. If you disagree, that's totally fine, but please don't call me dumb. The work I'm putting into this isn't thoughtless, I'm putting a LOT of thought into this, thanks.
Pressure? What pressure? Anyone with a working brain can tell that the Snap was going to get reversed. Even Marvel "spoiled it" with talk of Spiderboy 2 and a trailer for it shortly after IW aired in theaters.
But when that trailer came out, it was unclear if the film was going to take place before INFINITY WAR or not. And don't be a jerk, there are kids and young viewers who aren't cynical movie watchers who know how massive corporate franchises work, they're just along for the ride.
You lost when you said “watch Inhumans”
Hector’s great, but I do miss Dan. What happened with Dan?
I’m old. I miss rock ‘em sock ‘em Chobot.
He's out for a bit but he'll be back soon! = )
@@hectorminatorThanks! And thanks for the video. I think I’d find this viewing order confusing (mostly due to the “flashbacks”), but while I may disagree with what you have to say, I’ll defend to the death your right to say it!
Annnnnd you lost me. You can't use end credits as placement markers. You have to go with the bulk of the movie. Captain Marvel needs to be in phase 1, where is Black Widow, and Helstrom? Helstrom?! Get that the hell out of here with that!
When you finish watching a movie, are you still in the middle of watching it? No, you're done, so the experience of watching the movie for you is a flashback. All movies play with time but ultimately, when they're done, they live in the past.
So this list is ensuring when people are done, they don't have to go back in time or forward in time for any reasons if they can be avoided. If you're not using the last scene as a placement marker, why are you using a random point in the middle of the story? Why not the first frame? Why not the hour mark of every movie? Why not just hit play and pause between all stories to get the full, "true", chronological experience?
Because that's not the whole movie's experience. That's not the story they chose to tell. Black Widow, the movie, includes every scene in that film, including the moving scene where Yelena pays tribute to her dead sister. That's part of the story of BLACK WIDOW. So don't deny that moment for first time viewers. Give them the entire experience. = )
@@hectorminator but Helstrom? Helstrom!? Why would you put that on first time viewers? I cannot abide.
@@notmephisto1375 because it’s part of the MCU. At least, for now. You may not like it, but someone out there does!
@@hectorminator didn't Marvel take their name off of it? I think we can let this one go. 😉
Sorry but I got to down vote this, CM takes place BEFORE IM but AFTER CA and you've got it seat before Endgame which is bullsh!t
But, like I say in our video, there's a specific reason we placed the entire CAPTAIN MARVEL movie where we do. Check it out! It's a pretty good video!