I was an alcoholic for a couple years until I found this channel. I’m over 9 months alcohol free today. Never been to a single AA meeting, just took responsibility.
Amen!! Hallelujah!! The truth is right here. I am 14 years sober. Initially I was a big AA devotee, thumped my big book on anyone's head who I thought needed it. At 4 years I began to notice that the stuff I was being fed just didn't seem to bear out in real life. I am a semi exilee of AA due to my current viewpoints. I have taken huge issue with the statement " Your best thinking got you here in AA" . That is so profoundly untrue. My worst, sickest, mentally unbalanced poisoned thinking got me to AA. My best thinking allowed me to work my way through UGA with a double major in Economics and Music, while simultaneously walking onto the UGA football team and playing music on the Athens music scene with Widespread Panic and other good bands. That was my best thinking. When I point this out to people I know in recovery they usually twitch for a few seconds and then silently walk away. The learned helplessness and severely limiting mindset portrayed above are two insidious aspects of a program that clings onto an 80 year old faith healing dogma and ignores most all advances in addiction medicine since 1940.
At 18 I was told that my life was over and my only hope was in selflessly helping other alcoholics and attending daily meetings. This false dichotomy kept me suffering and returning to alcohol for decades. In the end I swore off AA. The drinking problem solved itself because I simply didn’t like it anymore and there was no one to tell me that I was doomed without them and their religion of the steps. Black is the soul of an alcoholic, we are born this way, if I suffered child abuse it was because even before drinking I had character defects that aggravated others…and so deserved it. It’s not a “ miracle “ that I’m sober today, it’s pretty close to one that I survived AA. I’ve watched a few others for whom AA clearly did not work but they had been conditioned to believe it was their only hope and so struggled with relapse for years , some died.
As much as I appreciate the AA folks taking their personal time to talk to me about my problem and offering guidance, I find AA to function just like a religion. You are always “recovering” even when you have been sober for 20-30 years. You put trust in a higher power. I have heard that before. If it works for you, then good but you have other options to choose. Trust yourself, choose a path for recovery and take action. Easier said than done I know but keep trying
AA made it nearly impossible for me to stay sober. In my normal day to day life, l don't think about alcohol. Meetings, whether daily or weekly, kept alcohol at the forefront of my thoughts. Telling myself that I was always going to be an alcoholic was not helpful to me. That being said, having AA was a lifeline during the first 90 days when I needed to be around people who could relate to my situation. AA took alcoholism out of the closet and taught me that there were other professionals with the same problem.
Same here. Sometimes I used to come out of an AA meeting actually craving alcohol! A lot of AA philosophy gives a good blueprint for living, but I could never really accept some of the principles and the “fake it to make it” mantra led to my participation becoming a sort of box ticking exercise.
I am so grateful I got that stuff out of my life. AA pioneered the idea that alcoholism can be put out of one's life-for good. You can do it, without AA, or on your own.
No they didn't. In fact they pioneered the idea of the exact opposite. Once an alcoholic always an alcoholic they say. You spend the rest of your life in recovery, if you are to believe Alcoholics Anonymous.
The term Sponsor came about in the early days of AA when it was underground, someone had to sponsor you to a meeting. Its unbelievable nonsense. Why put an individual above you thats detrimental to any person. As for the term used about the 12 Step philosophy is an insult to the English language. Its 12 Steps and nothing more. The fall out rate is horrendous and needs to be debated etc. The coercive behaviour and manipulation has to be seen not forgetting the controlling Atmosphere. The unsavoury individuals who run meetings are narcissistic and should be avoided at all times. Think about this where's the logic of continually talking about Drinking but trying to stop. These organisations avoid the real problems and hide in meetings, if you say something different then they ostracise you immediately. Why would anyone go to a group full of strangers thinking it eill help them, I don't fear being alone but my biggest fear is being in a room of people I don't know and mudt definitely don't TRUST. This is very important and should be nade aware to individuals.
Well said. I went to an AA meeting several years ago and thought why on Earth would I want to sit around talking about alcohol everyday? And if I was so powerless how did I get to the meeting the whole thing was bizarre and silly. Room for one more.
@ChristinaFromRUclips the pyramid and circle is a freemasonic symbol. There's an interesting documentary on here linking freemasonry and Satanism. Also some of the original founding members were high ranking Masons.
Complicated. I appreciated the breakdown on Jordan Petersons situation. And your focus on health, self honesty, and have followed a bit your journey which the theme seemed to present facing fears and proactivity... in a non judgemental but necessary way. AA did not help me, treatment did. But, everyone is different it comes down to what you are both sick of vs want, and how you deal with it seek your brand of help and/or support for.
I saw people who owned businesses I saw people who got into the bands they wanted to get in I saw people get to live the lifestyle they wanted to again because of this program however in The first beginning year you need to really dedicate yourself to it and forget about all plans that you had prior
PLEASE get into why the "stinkin thinkin" gaslight has prevailed in AA. People say that to each other for the same reason people use fear mongering in political debates: It's a successful manipulation tool. I might've stayed in AA if I didn't hear and see that play out everywhere.
Most people leave the program after success for about 2 years and the only thing I don't like about this program is it demands that they never leave. That is stupid. I'm from California and it's really hard to make a living balance a job and then do this program every single day there's something unrealistic about it but altogether I love this program. Cuz I'm not going to throw out the baby with the bathwater on it
Thank you. If I am forced into Amy 12 step program including Celebrate Recovery. Fortunately I paid my fines but have no car. People don't like me cause I have a different opinion. All my life I was told what to think . Never and j mean never will I do the A A. And yes. If I choose to drink and get drunk. Okay. But I'm a good person who has lived a lot of years. They A.A. ot Amy 12 step program can't take that away from me.
The unicorn real purpose in ancient life it was actually directed to kids in young age and it was used for grownups that drank or don't drank but where insecure about to drink or not to... The purpose was to show that both are Ok but you can't have them both and to choose your way based on your abilities. Fast legs and "bird mind" or horn and humble...is that easy...(don't forget that they had magical booze back then)
I was an alcoholic for a couple years until I found this channel. I’m over 9 months alcohol free today. Never been to a single AA meeting, just took responsibility.
You quite simply aren't an alcoholic.
Amen!! Hallelujah!! The truth is right here. I am 14 years sober. Initially I was a big AA devotee, thumped my big book on anyone's head who I thought needed it. At 4 years I began to notice that the stuff I was being fed just didn't seem to bear out in real life. I am a semi exilee of AA due to my current viewpoints. I have taken huge issue with the statement " Your best thinking got you here in AA" . That is so profoundly untrue. My worst, sickest, mentally unbalanced poisoned thinking got me to AA. My best thinking allowed me to work my way through UGA with a double major in Economics and Music, while simultaneously walking onto the UGA football team and playing music on the Athens music scene with Widespread Panic and other good bands. That was my best thinking. When I point this out to people I know in recovery they usually twitch for a few seconds and then silently walk away.
The learned helplessness and severely limiting mindset portrayed above are two insidious aspects of a program that clings onto an 80 year old faith healing dogma and ignores most all advances in addiction medicine since 1940.
Go Dawgs!
There is the AA World and the Real World.
Absolutely agree.. you have way more power than you're led to believe, you can do anything once you put your mind to it ✅
Absolutely agree with your comment
At 18 I was told that my life was over and my only hope was in selflessly helping other alcoholics and attending daily meetings.
This false dichotomy kept me suffering and returning to alcohol for decades.
In the end I swore off AA. The drinking problem solved itself because I simply didn’t like it anymore and there was no one to tell me that I was doomed without them and their religion of the steps. Black is the soul of an alcoholic, we are born this way, if I suffered child abuse it was because even before drinking I had character defects that aggravated others…and so deserved it.
It’s not a “ miracle “ that I’m sober today, it’s pretty close to one that I survived AA. I’ve watched a few others for whom AA clearly did not work but they had been conditioned to believe it was their only hope and so struggled with relapse for years , some died.
As much as I appreciate the AA folks taking their personal time to talk to me about my problem and offering guidance, I find AA to function just like a religion. You are always “recovering” even when you have been sober for 20-30 years. You put trust in a higher power. I have heard that before. If it works for you, then good but you have other options to choose. Trust yourself, choose a path for recovery and take action. Easier said than done I know but keep trying
@user-ok1xq5qm9t AA is not a good option for anyone with a properly discerning mind.
It is a religion
AA made it nearly impossible for me to stay sober. In my normal day to day life, l don't think about alcohol. Meetings, whether daily or weekly, kept alcohol at the forefront of my thoughts. Telling myself that I was always going to be an alcoholic was not helpful to me. That being said, having AA was a lifeline during the first 90 days when I needed to be around people who could relate to my situation. AA took alcoholism out of the closet and taught me that there were other professionals with the same problem.
Same here. Sometimes I used to come out of an AA meeting actually craving alcohol! A lot of AA philosophy gives a good blueprint for living, but I could never really accept some of the principles and the “fake it to make it” mantra led to my participation becoming a sort of box ticking exercise.
I am so grateful I got that stuff out of my life. AA pioneered the idea that alcoholism can be put out of one's life-for good. You can do it, without AA, or on your own.
No they didn't. In fact they pioneered the idea of the exact opposite. Once an alcoholic always an alcoholic they say. You spend the rest of your life in recovery, if you are to believe Alcoholics Anonymous.
Well said man! 4 years clean from fentanyl and meth without NA.
Simple for non addicts, it always has been.
The term Sponsor came about in the early days of AA when it was underground, someone had to sponsor you to a meeting. Its unbelievable nonsense. Why put an individual above you thats detrimental to any person. As for the term used about the 12 Step philosophy is an insult to the English language. Its 12 Steps and nothing more. The fall out rate is horrendous and needs to be debated etc. The coercive behaviour and manipulation has to be seen not forgetting the controlling Atmosphere. The unsavoury individuals who run meetings are narcissistic and should be avoided at all times. Think about this where's the logic of continually talking about Drinking but trying to stop. These organisations avoid the real problems and hide in meetings, if you say something different then they ostracise you immediately. Why would anyone go to a group full of strangers thinking it eill help them, I don't fear being alone but my biggest fear is being in a room of people I don't know and mudt definitely don't TRUST. This is very important and should be nade aware to individuals.
Well said. I went to an AA meeting several years ago and thought why on Earth would I want to sit around talking about alcohol everyday? And if I was so powerless how did I get to the meeting the whole thing was bizarre and silly. Room for one more.
I feel aa is a satanic cult. Thank you for your work. I found the freedom model for addictions and it helps me heal all the damage aa has done.
The pyramid imagery creeped me out immediately.
@ChristinaFromRUclips the pyramid and circle is a freemasonic symbol. There's an interesting documentary on here linking freemasonry and Satanism.
Also some of the original founding members were high ranking Masons.
Complicated. I appreciated the breakdown on Jordan Petersons situation. And your focus on health, self honesty, and have followed a bit your journey which the theme seemed to present facing fears and proactivity... in a non judgemental but necessary way. AA did not help me, treatment did. But, everyone is different it comes down to what you are both sick of vs want, and how you deal with it seek your brand of help and/or support for.
Thanks, Chris. Good stuff.
I saw people who owned businesses I saw people who got into the bands they wanted to get in I saw people get to live the lifestyle they wanted to again because of this program however in The first beginning year you need to really dedicate yourself to it and forget about all plans that you had prior
Thank You Chris Scott.
PLEASE get into why the "stinkin thinkin" gaslight has prevailed in AA. People say that to each other for the same reason people use fear mongering in political debates: It's a successful manipulation tool. I might've stayed in AA if I didn't hear and see that play out everywhere.
I Agree With You Chris Scott.
Most people leave the program after success for about 2 years and the only thing I don't like about this program is it demands that they never leave. That is stupid. I'm from California and it's really hard to make a living balance a job and then do this program every single day there's something unrealistic about it but altogether I love this program. Cuz I'm not going to throw out the baby with the bathwater on it
Thank you. If I am forced into Amy 12 step program including Celebrate Recovery. Fortunately I paid my fines but have no car. People don't like me cause I have a different opinion. All my life I was told what to think . Never and j mean never will I do the A A. And yes. If I choose to drink and get drunk. Okay. But I'm a good person who has lived a lot of years. They A.A. ot Amy 12 step program can't take that away from me.
Eff that religious cult, just read the Alan Carr book.
quit smoking because of alan carr
The unicorn real purpose in ancient life it was actually directed to kids in young age and it was used for grownups that drank or don't drank but where insecure about to drink or not to...
The purpose was to show that both are Ok but you can't have them both and to choose your way based on your abilities.
Fast legs and "bird mind" or horn and humble...is that easy...(don't forget that they had magical booze back then)
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