Something that I don't think was mentioned in the video: on consoles, cars seem to have more weight and inertia. One of the results of this is that they hit *a lot* harder, which is why strats in the video like curator, armored truck, duff truck, and lvl 6 Skinner are able to be done the way that they are. My guess is that the low FPS plays a part in this. Because it takes longer for your car to respond to controller inputs, it carries it's inertia in a specific direction for longer. If you're able to time it right and get the right angle, you can send another car flying across the screen *and* do a lot more damage. The trade off is that cars handle terribly on console because of the low FPS, so I'm sure runs are far less forgiving and have a higher rate of restarts. I have the PS2 version of this, which I believe is the worst, and the difficulty comes from how hard it is to drive even in a straight line.
I don’t know about that, however FPS is very well known to increase damage specifically. Duff truck hits were normal, curator is actually harder on 60, that took me almost an hour of tries from hospital. Now you mentioned armoured truck, the way that works is something about that wall allows armoured truck to slightly clip in, doing extreme damage. Skinner would’ve been a one hit regardless as hitting a corner like that at full speed will damage extreme amounts
Yeah low FPS has a noticeable effect on destruction missions, it's one of the very few time-saves that runners on 60fps or below get. However you said the cars handle like shit on low FPS I think it's the very opposite, cars handle in a much more stable manner on low fps, that's why it's generally reccomended for new runners to start on 60. However on higher FPS you can start to get larger boosts when you go over bumps in the ground or have your tires lift off the ground so many top level runners move to high FPS for those boosts and a few end-game strats to save time, while sacrificing some physics stability and cutscene skip viability that is afforded to runners on lower FPS This TAS was done on a GameCube emulator so the game is running 60fps, I imagine a TAS on PC with higher FPS could be faster but there's no tools for it TASing this game on PC yet
On a more serious note here: Liquid has to be nit-picky of everything for a TAS speedrun. Otherwise there cant be a theoretical perfect run being made in a TAS in the first place. Many TASers are knowledgable about the game, but very rarely to the same point Top-Level runners are and need the scrutiny annd constructive criticism of the Human runners to optimize even further. Human Top-Level runners know basically everything about their game, even stuff thats deemed impossible, unfeasable or otherwise not worth to do in any given speedrun category *as a Human.* TAS-Runners can safely ignore that as they are able to do every input frame-perfect and do inputs which would be physically impossible to do irl (best example here Super Mario Bros where the NES, the controller and the player cant do some inputs the TAS can do as its physically impossible) The whole dynamic between TAS-Runners and Human Runners is: Desire for TAS exists -- TAS runner creates first runs off of publicly available knowledge (many times, doesnt have to be) -- TAS gets scrutinized by Human Runners -- TAS runner rework the entire thing -- Repeat TAS-Runners spend also a shitton of time into the Speedrun, have their own leaderboards and are dependable on the Human Runners...However, many times through a TAS many more glitches, bugs and shortcuts/Timesaves are usually discovered as TAS-Runners know the game better, but on a different level and in a way compared to Human Runners. TAS are cool to watch, because they are almost always bonkers, many times funny and for Human Runners important pieces of knowledge. *However they will never be able to replace actual Human Runners.*
That doesn’t really apply here, I am a top real time speedrunner, however I’m new to the community so a lot of his nitpicks were helpful because they were discussions had in a time where I wasn’t a runner. This is my first TAS ever so a lot of that extra knowledge doesn’t really apply to me, this TAS was mostly my RTA knowledge, a playlist of Strats, slowdown, savestates and a shit ton of trying over and over and hoping it worked
Got recomennded this randomly, i have never seen a H&R speedrun, and haven't played this game in over 13 years, WTF is going ON?? and most of this is normal? runs must look crazy, granted, this is perfect execution, but still
47:10 I don't know how to actually push the limo there myself but from watching a few people do it, you want to get the middle lined up with the left part of that dark bit like that, so I think that's right
Emulator should always have the same number of CPU cycles available to the game each frame, consistent disc access speed, easy access to savestates, etc. A PC TAS may be possible but the tools are limited.
Btw liquid GCN runs at 60fps not 30, it actually runs at the highest fps of the console versions of SHAR. IIRC Xbox is 30fps, PS2 is 25fps. So given this wiggum house clip should be theoretically possible for PC players on 60fps as well. I'd image it's inconsistent the higher the FPS goes though, similar to bridge clip That said, this run would definitely be faster than WR by a minute or 2 if console could use ESS, main menu warp, and had no emulator lag
I accidentally pulled off the Armoured Truck strat when I didn't knew what I was doing I wanted to push it against a wall so it could get stuck, my fps went to like 10-15 while it was taking damage (I was playing on the Xbox at the time)
I love this TAS compared to so many other games! It seems like every other TAS has some arbitrary bullcrap like theres a speed wiggle or jumping sideways goes faster. Runs are no fun if the TAS is hopping and wiggling backwards for an hour straight lol.
@@neonicplays What version of Dolphin did you make this TAS on? From my experience, 5.0 Stable runs the smoothest of all versions - at the cost of making desyncs and incorrect emulation a lot more common for many games. Some of the builds from 2021 also had issues with the emulator lagging constantly as well.
I just randomly looked up speedruns for this game and found you I’m American and saw you’re video of people getting offended for politics and melee being overrated 😂 this game is my childhood man
Hey everyone, make sure you go to neonics channel and like the TAS over there :) It’s in the description. Push it higher into the algorithm
The fact that you rewinded the video at the dumbest possible times to explain stupid things no one cares about is maddening
And if you look at 1:41:05, you can see how beautifully he explains this rare moment to the viewers! 😊
I resented clicking this because of the thumbnail but you immediately solved that problem but no spoiler for everyone else
9:17 Having the Playstation 2 version, I can relate to that glitch completely...
I couldn't help but chuckle at LiquidWIFI's stunned silence during the Duff Truck Mission on Level 6. 😁
I wouldn't feel bad for pointing out all the micro optimisations. They're super interesting and you can't really get that info anywhere else handily!
Liquid is right, this is specifically a LOTAD and not a TAS by the definition he reads off of multiple times in the video
The PS2 version runs like a dog on a rug,
The disc is spinning at a thousand miles an hour, but the loading abr barely moves
Stream banner: played on gamecube
Chat: iS tHiS pS2??
Another banger from the world’s greatest Speedrunner Mister Tas.
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27:46 Bro literally told Dr. Nick "I'ma take you for a ride!"
I would love to see the entirety of liquids TASing processes VODed, if he ends up doing one after this
1:37:05
Really love this reaction /breakdown kind of video. It would be cool to see you breakdown other speed runners’ runs.
Something that I don't think was mentioned in the video: on consoles, cars seem to have more weight and inertia. One of the results of this is that they hit *a lot* harder, which is why strats in the video like curator, armored truck, duff truck, and lvl 6 Skinner are able to be done the way that they are.
My guess is that the low FPS plays a part in this. Because it takes longer for your car to respond to controller inputs, it carries it's inertia in a specific direction for longer. If you're able to time it right and get the right angle, you can send another car flying across the screen *and* do a lot more damage.
The trade off is that cars handle terribly on console because of the low FPS, so I'm sure runs are far less forgiving and have a higher rate of restarts. I have the PS2 version of this, which I believe is the worst, and the difficulty comes from how hard it is to drive even in a straight line.
I don’t know about that, however FPS is very well known to increase damage specifically. Duff truck hits were normal, curator is actually harder on 60, that took me almost an hour of tries from hospital.
Now you mentioned armoured truck, the way that works is something about that wall allows armoured truck to slightly clip in, doing extreme damage. Skinner would’ve been a one hit regardless as hitting a corner like that at full speed will damage extreme amounts
Yeah low FPS has a noticeable effect on destruction missions, it's one of the very few time-saves that runners on 60fps or below get. However you said the cars handle like shit on low FPS I think it's the very opposite, cars handle in a much more stable manner on low fps, that's why it's generally reccomended for new runners to start on 60. However on higher FPS you can start to get larger boosts when you go over bumps in the ground or have your tires lift off the ground so many top level runners move to high FPS for those boosts and a few end-game strats to save time, while sacrificing some physics stability and cutscene skip viability that is afforded to runners on lower FPS
This TAS was done on a GameCube emulator so the game is running 60fps, I imagine a TAS on PC with higher FPS could be faster but there's no tools for it TASing this game on PC yet
On a more serious note here:
Liquid has to be nit-picky of everything for a TAS speedrun. Otherwise there cant be a theoretical perfect run being made in a TAS in the first place. Many TASers are knowledgable about the game, but very rarely to the same point Top-Level runners are and need the scrutiny annd constructive criticism of the Human runners to optimize even further. Human Top-Level runners know basically everything about their game, even stuff thats deemed impossible, unfeasable or otherwise not worth to do in any given speedrun category *as a Human.* TAS-Runners can safely ignore that as they are able to do every input frame-perfect and do inputs which would be physically impossible to do irl (best example here Super Mario Bros where the NES, the controller and the player cant do some inputs the TAS can do as its physically impossible)
The whole dynamic between TAS-Runners and Human Runners is: Desire for TAS exists -- TAS runner creates first runs off of publicly available knowledge (many times, doesnt have to be) -- TAS gets scrutinized by Human Runners -- TAS runner rework the entire thing -- Repeat
TAS-Runners spend also a shitton of time into the Speedrun, have their own leaderboards and are dependable on the Human Runners...However, many times through a TAS many more glitches, bugs and shortcuts/Timesaves are usually discovered as TAS-Runners know the game better, but on a different level and in a way compared to Human Runners.
TAS are cool to watch, because they are almost always bonkers, many times funny and for Human Runners important pieces of knowledge.
*However they will never be able to replace actual Human Runners.*
That doesn’t really apply here, I am a top real time speedrunner, however I’m new to the community so a lot of his nitpicks were helpful because they were discussions had in a time where I wasn’t a runner. This is my first TAS ever so a lot of that extra knowledge doesn’t really apply to me, this TAS was mostly my RTA knowledge, a playlist of Strats, slowdown, savestates and a shit ton of trying over and over and hoping it worked
Man i hope you live a good life, this the best game ever, seeing you still play it makes me happy.
Got recomennded this randomly, i have never seen a H&R speedrun, and haven't played this game in over 13 years, WTF is going ON?? and most of this is normal? runs must look crazy, granted, this is perfect execution, but still
47:10 I don't know how to actually push the limo there myself but from watching a few people do it, you want to get the middle lined up with the left part of that dark bit like that, so I think that's right
i wonder why the tas is on an emulator instead of just the pc version of the simpsons
Emulator should always have the same number of CPU cycles available to the game each frame, consistent disc access speed, easy access to savestates, etc. A PC TAS may be possible but the tools are limited.
Amazing TAS!
Btw liquid GCN runs at 60fps not 30, it actually runs at the highest fps of the console versions of SHAR. IIRC Xbox is 30fps, PS2 is 25fps. So given this wiggum house clip should be theoretically possible for PC players on 60fps as well. I'd image it's inconsistent the higher the FPS goes though, similar to bridge clip
That said, this run would definitely be faster than WR by a minute or 2 if console could use ESS, main menu warp, and had no emulator lag
Xbox is 60 and widescreen
@@Danhanado gotcha, wasn't certain 9n that one, I knew it had graphical improvements but thought it may have also been 30fps
Emulator lag is irrelevant, The run is timed using a frame count. Wiggum clip is not viable for pc runs as it is like maybe 2% consistent
@@neonicplays gotcha 👌 thanks for letting me know
@@GarbageRNG all good man I love discussing this thing with everyone, and I appreciate everyone’s feedback
2:36, Homer is a parallel parking expert.
king of austism
I accidentally pulled off the Armoured Truck strat when I didn't knew what I was doing I wanted to push it against a wall so it could get stuck, my fps went to like 10-15 while it was taking damage (I was playing on the Xbox at the time)
Which part is the dumptruck part?
I love this TAS compared to so many other games! It seems like every other TAS has some arbitrary bullcrap like theres a speed wiggle or jumping sideways goes faster. Runs are no fun if the TAS is hopping and wiggling backwards for an hour straight lol.
Growing up, I played this on the Gamecube! :D
4:23 As someone who used to play the PS2 version and now the Gamecube version I am very offended by that.
great tas but this emulation was running on windows vista or some shit
Dolphin is shit and my laptop isn’t the best. The frame drops are minor but consistent. I’m definitely gonna reupload with dumped frames soonish
@@neonicplays looking forward to it!
@@neonicplays What version of Dolphin did you make this TAS on? From my experience, 5.0 Stable runs the smoothest of all versions - at the cost of making desyncs and incorrect emulation a lot more common for many games. Some of the builds from 2021 also had issues with the emulator lagging constantly as well.
@@lobsterzelda5372 I made it on the latest beta release
40 minutes of my life I won't get back. Thanks Mr schizoffective.
GAMECUBE IS 60FPS LOL
wait wouldnt the most optimal run be done entirely looking behind when driving?
Doesn’t save time in all scenarios and this isn’t the most optimal run as it’s my first ever tas
@@neonicplays damn the goat replied, I was just memeing fantastic tas!
@@amayesing1612 thanks man I appreciate that
It doesn't even look like a tas, where is the un human parkour and glitch flying or whatever lol
I can't wait for Cola Caper to reach the human limit and be as fast as possible someday.
i thought it was the ps2 version that was capped at 30fps and it's 60 for the other consoles
The PS2 slander never stops around here, does it
the PS2 version runs at somewhere between 30 to 25 fps
the GameCube and Xbox versions run at 60 FPS unless it is PAL, then it runs at 50 FPS.
I grew up with the PS2 version and it definitely didn't run at a consistent 30fps. GameCube is a lot smoother in my personal experience.
@@UltraHylia The ps2 actually targets 60 like the other consoles but fails miserably at getting close to that target.
@@Devin11246 Cut the PS2 some slack, it came out in 2000
that duff truck was amazing
I just randomly looked up speedruns for this game and found you I’m American and saw you’re video of people getting offended for politics and melee being overrated 😂 this game is my childhood man
My lord this was insane
Bet pc tas would be slower without the fps clips and stuff
5:42
1:24:50 wth? I never knew you can do that.
WOOOO TOOL ASSISTED!!!
Lol
Black man can’t payoff his child support
99% of pc versions of games are worse