They ARGUED Over Who's BETTER: KYRIE IRVING or RUSSELL WESTBROOK
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The problem is that a team with Westbrook as a 2nd option is not optimal. Whereas Kyrie as a 2nd option has a better ceiling
Completely agree 💯💯💯couldn’t have said it better myself
A higher ceiling? No. Nor do they have a better floor.
Kyrie is a better shooter than Russ but Russ is a better passer & rebounder. Kd & Russ reached the finals & had the dubs on the ropes but I believe ego's got in the way, whereas Kyrie's ego got in the way after completing the mission!!!
1 finals appearance and 4 wcfs isn't optimal?? If Russ doesn't tear his meniscus, they're going back to the finals. If KD doesn't break his foot, they're making another deep playoff run like they did their entire career together gtfoh. Kyrie, as the 2nd option to people outside of Lebron, has been pathetic
@@chikinbizkitjr13ppl think Russ started playing 2016-2017 lol most these guys in the comments weren’t watching basketball pre warriors dynasty 🤣. If kd was as good as a prime bron lol Thunder probably win 4-6 chips last decade it’s tht simple ….. cavs also had a better supporting cast than okc as well .
How can you blame Russ for that loss when KD was averaging close to twice as many turnovers with horrible defense?
That's a good question 💯
Right the double stranded is real
Ok it was 50/50 split now what ? What about the years after that ?
@@kingofcomments1917 Westbrook was the 2nd option what other superstar gets this kind of treatment that it can be 50/50?
Bcuz it’s easy to blame Russ bcuz he’s the universal scapegoat
They hit a lot of good points. Imo, Russ is clearly the better overall player in his prime. Kyrie is an amazing weapon, and I do believe he could be a 1B on a championship team. However, I agree, you'd have to go down a long list before Kyrie would be seen as the best player. As a second option, Kyrie's game is 100% more translatable, but we've seen Russ be a good second option as well ( 1 finals appearance and 4 WCF appearances). It would be more difficult to build a team around Russ, but we've seen him make the playoffs with practically every level of team (bad, good, great) and pretty much none of those teams were a perfect fit for him. If each player could have the perfect fitting team around them, I think Russ would be more successful, but its close.
Russ actually had alot of talent around him including a couple of the same star borderline stars in the game today kyrie had dion waiters the level of talent around the 2 was completely different levels not to mention okc was built around russ
The cavs were built to tank
@@robertmiles1132 Nah OKC was built around KD, then when KD left, they tried to get him some help but it still wasn't a great fit ( PG and defense fr, lacked shooters). I think Houston was a great fit for him. That was some of his most efficient ball. Wirth Kyrie, he definitely came into a bad situation, but I look at what he's done since the Bron-led Cavs teams (not much due to injury and honestly just not being able to do much with what he has. For instance, I think Russ would've taken the 2019 Nets not only because of playstyle but he has the advantage when it was comes to durability).
I don’t think Kyrie is a 1B. I think that only occurs in situations like KD teaming up with Steph. For example there’s no way that Paul George is the 1B, he’s just the 2.
@@Sevion825 I should’ve said this: Kyrie is a 2, but I feel like at his best he could be a 1B. I believe 1B exists when it’s very close between two players. Russ definitely let PG be the 1st option in 2019 though.
@@Sevion825 2019 PG > any version of Kyrie. Kyrie will never finish a season top 3 in MVP voting
All I got to say is that Russ with the Clippers really impress me. I think Russ is underrated defensively, for what Russ brings defensively I got Russ over Kyrie
KD said it after he left OKC; Sam Presti didnt build the right team around him and Russ. The only other shooters the team had, besides KD, was Morrow and Waiters who were both inconsistent. People talk about them losing a 3-1 lead but more people should be talking about just how dominant KD and Russ were during those playoffs. Russ is an amazing second option, but it mainly depends on who the first option is. While Kyrie's game just fits much better as a second option, and we've seen him as a number one option which lead to no playoffs every single year. Also, we saw Kyrie play with KD as a second option, and they got swept in the first round.
Personally I would take Russ over Kyrie anyday, but I can understand if someone chose Kyrie because of fit. If my number one option is LeBron I would say Kyrie, but if my number one is someone like KD or PG then without a question Russ is the pick.
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Russ is not a great 2nd option in OKC he was the number 1 option.
Thats why he always had the ball on his hands and was taking the same ammount of shots than KD even if KD was the best player. The impressive thing is that KD was able to consistently give you 28 points on crazy efficency without spacing around him and Westbrook just throwing him the ball in ISO at the 3 point line with 10 seconds on the clock.
Russ only plays Westbrook ball, doesnt matter if he is the best player or the 2nd or 3rd or worse player on the team. I prefer to build my offense around my best player, not the 2nd or 3rd.
Kyrie is a better second option, but Russ is a better player overall if you have to build around a team as a first option
Debatable kyrie has a higher basketball iq only thing I see what russ has is pure athleticism
Nah I think I’d still take kyrie.Everytime kyrie has the number 1 role and is gonna lead a team to a playoffs he gets injured which is sad.(besides 2019 where he just had a bad second round series but eve he great player has had games)I just don’t see a team getting past the first round as a number 1 option
@@von1626so are taking kyrie all time over russ because if you are that’s delusion
@@nate-pq2lmKyrie is a better shooter and ball handler. Russ is better at Rebounding, defending, playmaking, has a better engine and stays out of the headlines and plays when he’s available
@@darnellwilliams8783 stop it bru😂 Westbrook carried bums to the playoffs as a 1 option
Before Russ , NBA players said another player would NEVER average a trip dub ever again. He did it 3 times. He made it so routine people discredit the difficulty of getting one. Yet no one has done it since . Russell was a HOFer before he turned 30.
He was stat padding when your centers move out the way so you can get rebounds an you hold the ball on offense no motion no nothing just drive an pass out then I would hope you can do that
@juggman8trey864 rebounding is a hustle stat. So, u are saying he is playing too hard ? Secondly, if he goes to the rebound, it helps create the opportunity to get the ball up the court faster so the defense isn't set.
Straight facts!!
Kyrie had the Celtics as top seeds and conference finals as the number 1 option both years. We need to kill this 1st 2nd option language. Russ works with his own team, harden needs shooters and defenders and kyrie needs a point guard. Of the 3 kyrie is the only 50/40/90 player.
Kyrie has played in absolutely ZERO conference finals games in his career without LeBron James. The Celtics made the conference finals without Kyrie and won less games in the regular season and playoffs the season he came back from injury.
They were only a top seed for one year in 2018 and that was one of the weakest eastern conferences in history.
That 2018 Celtics team would be lucky to make it past the 2nd round in 2019
@@kingjaydex7464 That’s why in 2019 when they played the Bucks and Kyrie came back they got smacked in the second round 😂😂😂
@RACHET37 what russell westbrook team where he lead went somewhere
@@robertmiles1132 He carried a team with no star to the postseason. Do you think Kyrie could do the same? (The answer is No)
I just wished OKC surrounded KD and Westbrook way better floor spacers.
KD actually lost them that series against the Warriors. KD proceeds to leave Russell after this.
KD folded
@@quann06Russ was balling & that's why I believe it was personal between he & Kd.
Russ better all time. He’s a top 10 PG ever, Kyrie isn’t close to that.
Kyrie is top 15. I wouldn’t say he isn’t close to that and he can become top 10 depending on how the rest of his career pans out
@@PaulDaTruthPiercewhat needs to happen for him to get there or what does he needs to do
6:35 Yes, you're putting Kyrie in conversations he doesn't belong in.
Every time Low gives a bad take he gains a pound
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not tough at all Westbrook over Kyrie any day. 2016 Westbrook outplayed KD vs GSW
You throw Kyrie on the heat right now they winning a ring.
The same Kyrie that’s never made a conference finals without LeBron? 😂
Kyrie, who couldn't get to a finals with Tatum or Durant. Idk man.
Go back and rewatch the 2022 Playoffs v Celtics, outside of Game 1 he was lousy. Same for 2019 Playoffs v Bucks.
@@YER3721 yes that same one.
@@kerickhoff yall trippin
KD even came out and said outside of him and Russ the rosters were trash
Peek russ will most definitely work wit lebron 😭😭💯💯
How, russ is literally a worse version of bron in every capacity, their styles would be redundant, the reason why kai works is better is cuz he can actually play off the ball
@@jonnstewart2023it also worked considering that cavs team with bron an kyrie had a legit bench an other players that could score when needed. Russ at his peak his second option at the time was what Oladipo an he wasn’t really hitting shots like that ethier then u have Roberson who they was leaving open cuz of how bad his shooting was
Westbrook is better than Kyrie as 1st option(2016-2018)and a 2nd option(2013-2016).
Kyrie has serious durability issues to the point where anything you're arguing for Kyrie is theoretical.
Kyrie is vastly overrated in terms of his impact on team sucess. Too many people confusing talent with impact. Kyrie can get a bucket. And he fits next to other great talents. He’s a ceiling raiser. But he’s unreliable. Besides 2016 and 17, he’s been off the floor more than he’s been on, or has largely disappointed in big series. He’s been a flash in a pan every year since 2017. Russ can be my number one or two and we know exactly what we are getting from him in the right situations and wrong situations. Both have their flaws but russ is the better talent. If just need someone to get buckets then kyrie is the man. But elsewhere russ is just a far more dynamic talent. I’ll take a predictable talent who we know how to deal with vs someone as unpredictable as kyrie.
Russ as a #1 is a first round exit. Russ as a #2 is a conference finals exit. Russ as a #3 you’re not even making the playoffs.
Kyrie as a #2 is hitting the biggest shot in finals history.
Kyrie>Russ and it’s not as close as you think. It’s funny how you didn’t mention Russ obvious stat padding.
Whaaat
@@adripos Thats not the biggest shot in finals history. Its one of but there is no biggest. Any shot made that wins the series is equal to any other shot that wins the series.
@@adripos kyrie hit the biggest shot because he was part of a great team that helped him get to that position. Right or wrong? Right place and right time. Westbrook has had solid teams and great teams and has gotten to a finals as well. He’s also had a hell of alot of bad luck and bad timing in his career that hasn’t given the opportunity to play on the stages that kyrie has. Kyrie as the first option has done what exactly? And that’s IF he’s even been on the floor. I’m not buying it.
@@tommydashed4205 it’s #2 at worse and statistically it’s literally #1. Stop arguing facts.
I think Westbrook never had optimal spacing to play his best until Houston . But then ruined the team by trading capella and giving up defense . Both are not reliable in certain ways but kyrie showed up when it mattered whereas Westbrook has received help and not got it done multiple times
Nice civilised conversation. its a nice change lol
fr lol, w question, w convo
Blasphemous take on Russ as usual
Russell is elite. A number one.
I like Russ next to guys like a Jimmy Butler, Paul George it worked pretty good, MAYBE a prime Boogie Cousins or Embid. Russ needs a dog next to him, somebody who has that same heart he has.
The hate for Russ these guys don't know ball shit wild
Peak PG is higher than Peak Kyrie, Peak AD vs Peak Kyrie is almost disrespectful to even ask imo, AD is in a completely different stratosphere
Man...talk about what a ring will do for a man's legacy
@@bevelinternational7527bro wtf has ad done without lebron I want to know???
@@bevelinternational7527I will take peak pg over peak ad just because he took the heat to 6 and 7 games lol u dkb
Westbrook actually has more seasons as a 2nd option than Kyrie. Westbrook has 8 (6 w KD, 1 w Harden, 1 w Beal) and Kyrie has 6 (3 w LeBron, 2.5 w KD, 0.5 w Luka).
Steph
Magic
Big O
Logo
Stockton
Nash
CP3
Harden
AI
Tony Parker/Kidd
Kyrie, Westbrook, Dame just outside and then there’s some older ones like Cousy and Archibald
Kyrie above both of them
No way
Kyrie not above harden
@@bitedown-uz3ls playing with the greatest player of the last 20 years
@@bitedown-uz3lsNone of the players Russ or Harden play with, were as good as LeBron James when Kyrie played with him, or even close. Arguing otherwise is purposely idiotic
@@bitedown-uz3ls I read what you said. THEY DID NOT PLAY WITH THE BEST PLAYER OF THE ERA BY FAR REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU SAY 🤣 Period. There’s a difference between playing with peak LeBron James and anybody else.
Nobody ever talked about Jimmy Butler before this year.
Dub pulling some gold medal mental gymnastics to prove that weak ass point 😂
Aye it always bugged me how kyrie got killed for the Celtics losing in the 2nd round but dame has a entire career of getting bounced early except for that 1 year in 2019 and nobody talks about it Lmaoo
facts
Because we expect more from kyrie since dame is barley even top 15 or top 20 also I'm not talking about currently because rn he's in my top 15 but back then and throughout the year in general he was barley a top 30 top 40 top player kyrie is a top 10 caliber player and has a ring and came clutch for lebron in that 2016 finals so we expect more from him and dame has never had a good team like the teams Kyries been in
Kyrie has 0 conference finals appearances without LeBron. Dame at least was the best player on a team that made one, Kyrie has and will never do the same.
Nobody talks about Dame in general
maybe because everyone isn't a casual looking at only rounds when they shit on Kyrie's Celtics run and see his performance and leadership was questionable
Oml the Kyrie Disrespect is wild
😂Kyrie is a Skill player, West is a Team player isn't hard folks 😆
westbrook ateam player yuh igh
Define “skill”
@@Abbad1579 skill is a Trade u learn isn't not
@@AquariusLeviathanProphecy Is passing and playmaking not skill?
@@Abbad1579a playmaker is A person who makes plays in Clutch Moments
It’s not hard to fit Russ as a 2 when most of the good players he played with got their most ppg in a season playing with Russ
These 4 are looking at sports through stats
You say this but your other comment says kyrie the only one who was 50/40/90 as a valid point. You’re a hypocrite
@@Abbad1579Most Kyrie Stans are 😂 They don’t even realize Kyrie is by far the least accomplished on this list without LeBron
@@YER3721 kyrie the only player with a ring also
@@B-Boy47the only player to play with LeBron James in his prime 😂
@@YER3721 Russell westbrook played with Paul george, james harden, Bradley Beal, lebron james, Kevin durrant, not one ring
This ain't a conversation right Kyrie without LeBron ain't been shit
Not a fan of both, but at least I can count on Westbrook to play every damn game and when he plays I don’t question his effort. Kyrie just became such a headcase when he started dating weirdos😂
Im ngl look at kyrie stats, this season only for Brooklyn (whilst kd was injured). He can be a first option in a optimum situation. I’m showing you I believe kyrie could lead a team as a first, obviously the history won’t show it
westbrook is easily better than kyrie. ppl comparing
the current Westbrook to prime Kyrie lol, if prime Westbrook played on a team and a player like the 2016 cavs u dont think he has a ring
I prefer current Westbrook compared to prime Westbrook. Based on how Russ played with the Clippers, he played a smarter brand of bball & played more under control
Kyrie may be better because of his skills, iq, and shot making but Westbrook if FAR greater than Kyrie, it's not even close. Westbrook resume is arguably top 5 but his play style can be erratic quite often
Interesting discussion
Did we forget how good haywood was before that injury in the opener? If man's didn't have his shit reversed and kyrie stayed healthy, sheesh
The Celtics had a better winning percentage without Kyrie while he was there. It wouldn’t have been that crazy.
@@YER3721 Against what comp? I’m only asking because a Cavs team ranked 29th in defense made the Finals that year in 2018
did these dudes just say jayson tatum rn is better than prime kyrie irving?? dudes be quick to forget he hit the second or third biggest shot in finals history, if he doesn't hit that shot lebron is at 3 rings and curry is at 5 whole different reality.
so derek fisher>jayson tatum too?
@@MarzTalksSports These Kyrie fan girls are different 😂😂😂 Tatum accomplished more last year than Kyrie has ever done without LeBron
Prime Harden was so system based and coaching reliant. I might start prime Westbrook and take prime harden off the bench.
Any of y’all saying start Kyrie is nuts. Not a stat, advanced analytic, productivity rate, not anything will support taking Kyrie over these two. Unless you just want to watch his game cause it’s the prettiest 😂
“Why we not talking about jokic”
💀💀💀
Russ is better all time but Kyrie is clearly better right now
Ngl prime pg is better than kyrie if I had to start a team I’m picking pg
Did he say OKC lost to Mia because Russ played really bad????? You better go check James Harden and everyone else
My head started hurting when bro said Westbrook on current Celtics might win a chip. 🥴
Only guard i had over prime russ was curry but even i still used to say russ was better because im biased lol
Is Dubs scared to say he just likes Kyrie?
I don’t like him I love him
I dont like how harden is just so clearly over russ. Imagine russ with nothing but floor spacers around him in his prime like harden had. He would be unstoppable
Lol I love Russ but harden is clearly better … harden was legit in the convo for best player in the league for about 3-4 seasons
They're different players. Kyrie might be the best complementary player ever. You could plug him in anywhere and his skill set fits. Russ doesn't have the skill set like Kyrie, but he could make players better around him and drive an offense...
4:30 Russ also plays like a PG for his stats it’s kinda funny, he had Paul George averaging his highest PPG, he would relieve a lot from Tatum and just make him a scorer and closer.
Kyrie is the only top PG in the league to never have his own team for multiple years in his “prime” so you have to add context other players like Westbrook, Dame, Curry Hell even Lavine has had his own team longer than Kyrie has so I think it was more about opportunity he’s never had 3 years of his prime to be “Batman”
There’s a reason kyrie has never had his own team.
Lavine isn’t a PG 😂
@@Hooperd2023 because he chose to team up with KD & LeBron came back to Cleveland so idk what you're trying to say because Curry is the only top PG to lead a team to a championship since chauncey billups & that was mostly a team effort in 04
@@theallknowingtreestump i know i just threw him in there for the sake of mentioning someone who's had his own team ik he's a SG just for the sake of the conversation anymore SG, SF, PF & C that have haf their own teams
@@storiesofyonko okay
Does it really matter? Westbrook has had the better individual accolades and that's all that really matters. Kyrie has the ring but that's a team accomplishment.
Russ never really had a team built for him for him to really flourish as a number one option. Although kyrie is a more complete player with a jumper kyrie hasn’t shown capability to run a team he only had success with Lebron his Celtics and nets run haven’t been good and he’s now a second option to Luka. Now harden has had the rockets built around him and the only argument you can have is the warriors was his only roadblock. Harden after Houston has not been the same tho but nonetheless he’s still a good second option.
Thats because is really hard to built a team around Westbrook because of his skillset. Is almost impossible to build a team with Westbrook as the numer 1 option and win a championships unless he has 3 other starts that fit with him on the team.
As a number 2 option i might get Kyrie over Russ.
i'll just say what I was thinking the whole conversation. I'M CUTTING HARDEN.
ur wrong then thats fine
Why cut Harden?
@@anthonycelestin3559 Cause I don't trust him when it matters. I saw everything i needed to when i saw kyrie lock down harden in the regular season and how westbrook played KD in the playoffs. I trust them more to not crumble when things get tough, and take on a challenge.
I don't care about hardens abilities on paper when it goes out the window when you need him. don't think its a matter of right and wrong, its just how i feel about him.
@@cloudunderweather9554 Harden has been further in the playoffs every year than Kyrie has without LeBron…What has Kyrie done that’s trustworthy? 🤣
@@YER3721 you mean beside get injured (I can count on him getting hurt😅) well, I trust his game more. When i think of these guys I don't sum them up like how people normally do, with accolades accomplishments stats etc. I don't trust hardens high turnover, foul reliant, defense neglecting, brand of basketball. When I see kyrie in the forth quarter, I know he wants all the smoke. When I see russ, I know he's going to give me russ every night.
Its not about what he did, its about what he does, if that makes sense?
Kyrie is a better second option because it's easier to slot him into a system than Russ, but Russ is a better first option, and if you put him in the right situation, the ceiling is higher.
If okc had a grest coach i believe They wouldve won atleast 2 chips
Giving Prime Kyrie 2018 Celtics and than Westbrook current Celtics is crazy considering the celtics are way better now lol.
Take 2018 Kyrie with no injuries and hes winning on this Current Celtics team too
Westbrook > Kyrie
Russ he take his own team to the playoffs he’s a leader he gives 100% max effort when he plays he don’t cause drama
Real tall he drag a Washington team into the playoffs
I would take Kyrie. Kyrie isn't as good as a first option but is way better as a 2nd option and remember he was the 2nd scorer in the 2016 finals (not just on his team but overall) and was the one to make a game winning shot. Russ had the chance with KD in 2016.
yea this convo ended it
RW clears kyrie
Thank you😂
Russ use to be considered a top 5 player. Kyrie was never close😂
@@DonyeWhitekyrie was considered a top 3 point guard at some point.
And how many seasons was russ really considered top 5
@@von1626 bro your talking about POINT GUARD I’m talking about every position🤡
@@von1626 Russ was a top 5/6 player in 2015,2016,and 2017 kyrie wasn’t once
Kyrie so overrated it's nasty, whole career is based off playing with a prime Lebron. Even worse than the hype Jamal Murray gets for playing with Jokic.
Then how come lebron has a losing record in the finals even with kyrie😂
@@camdahooper almost like a championship team added KD stop trolling
@@camdahooperThen how come kyrie never made it to a conference finals without lebron😂
Just say you love watching him. Aesthetics dont mean a great player
I’m keeping kyrie but I just like his game he’s my fav player. Westbrook had a higher peak but kyrie seems to be the better player as of late. Def an amazing second option and could be a first option but when Boston failed it’s like the media coverage discouraged him from being #1 option and he continued to be a secondary star. (Joining kd/luka)
None can win a ring as a first option but 2nd its easily Kyrie because of shooting consistency, being clutch in the toughest moments. We know Harden going to disappear in important games in the post season and Russ isn't a good shooter, bad decision making in clutch moments. But Harden and Russ are better if you need a first option to drag you're team to the playoffs while making money for you're organization. They just won't do anything while they're there.
Harden, Kyrie, Westbrook
Imagine having prime Kyrie and Harden over Russ. Just blasphemy
Because I’m ngl when it’s time to close out a game, no one here picking Russ,is a decent shooter( in prime) when he has his slumps oooo it’s over
these niggas are box score & highlight watchers. kyrie all day
They are the same sort of good. And the same sort of bad. I give the edge to Weatbrook.
Russ had kd and was up 3-1 to the golden state & lost but kyrie was down 3-1 and came back and won the most iconic shot wtf
Russ for the entire start of his career had the perfect first option to play off that fit his playstyle about as optimally as possible when he struggles with turnovers, can’t shoot, is a terrible decision maker, has a fairly low basketball iq and even at his best he was an inefficient stat padder on a mediocre team
Great convo tho
I’m not saying Kyrie didn’t matter in 2016 but I don’t think y’all understand lebron nearly won with delly starting the year before. If u put any component guard let alone a all star guard next to lebron during 2015-18 and they can win a ring
Lebron was insanely good, still he needed Kyrie to average 27 on better true shooting than Lebron plus the spacing.
Not any other guard gives you that.
Even if Lebron averaged 35, if you put Westbrook on that Cavs team they lose.
I love everyones game first of all but Russ is the only one who good game or bad shows unrelenting effort and makes an impact on everygame he plays. Harden goes missing in the biggest games. Ky turns up but only impacts scoring. Russ/Kd are the only duo ive seen that can go toe to toe against some of the best teams weve seen in the past 15 years and go your turn my turn. They lost to champs almost every year barring injury and with less help. Russ brings a leadership quality of toughness that Kd and i agree with Marz Tatum needs as well
Prime russ and Tatum not winning no championship lol yall listen to these 🤡😂
They have a better chance than prime Kyrie that’s a fact…
Even in his Prime Harden was Still choking, stop
I mean all time? Kyrie last like why is this a video😂
Cap Kyrie better then both guys lol wat r we even talking about ?? Bad takes guys I’m out
kyrie is a better second option then russ
I would have to go with russ. Kyrie is just a scorer. Thats it. So if he has bad shooting nights then that's it. Russ is a better defender, better play maker and better rebounder.
Russ is better than Kyrie all time not even a discussion really
Westbrook that 2012 finals dropped like 52 points in game 5 or something lol. Not the best series and was still young but that game he did all he fourl
Peak Russ & Kyrie can be better than Embiid when it comes to playoffs cause Embiid is one of the worst playoff translators of all time where his scoring consistently drops down in the PS compared to RS
Name one healthy Embiid playoff run ? You can’t. You’re still upset that he dropped 47 pts on your boy lol.
@@PaulDaTruthPierce Embiid shouldn’t get a pass for his injuries if Embiid is injured every year in the playoffs
@@anthonycelestin3559 47
As a offensive player, kyrie is better,more efficient, better shooter, better off the ball, better rim finishing. but russ does everything else better, plus russ theres no long term injury, hes available, kyrie is almost always hurt
Westbrook is a better finisher, Kyrie is simply more flashy at the basket.
@@YER3721russell westbrook is a better dunker not finisher
@@B-Boy47 Westbrook is easily the better finisher and it’s not even a conversation
@@YER3721no he’s not especially now Westbrook was such a bum at lakers he turned it around it looks like though
@@Mari-hp2qs He’s not close to his prime currently and Kyrie is in his prime. The point you tried to make didn’t even make sense
This generation is smoking crack kyrie by far is the better player his downfall is he stays injured
Kyrie isn’t better at anything than Prime Westbrook. He never averaged more points, assists, rebounds in a season. Kyrie has never averaged 30 or won a scoring title like Russ or carried a team to the playoffs. Russ is easily better
@@YER3721casual
Didn’t the celtics have a similar identical series with prime isaiah Thomas than kyrie? I think the celtics was a nice system
How tf is peak embid and ad better than an mvp and the most unstoppable player 🤣
The Kyrie disrespect is real. This man ended the 73-9 Warriors. Something Russ couldn’t. Gtfoh with these hypotheticals. The only one with jewelry in this convo. Stop it
Wesrbrook CAN get it done as a first option. And I believe that more so than with Harden. In Russ’s best years on OKC he got sold by playoff P in their playoff runs. I WATCHED him sellout. As a big OKC fan Russ was playing insanely clutch and was getting hoed by his squad. He also had a worse system than James Harden. Russ was the same guy from the regualr season in the playoffs, where as James Harden would be this crazy guy in the regular season, and then choke in the playoffs and shoot bricks. Similar to playoff P. 1st option Russ, 2nd Kyrie. Cut Harden.
Also OKC loss to the warriors in 2015 because KEVIN DURANT choked. Thats what makes KD’s move to go to the warriors so bad, because HE choked, and THEN went to the team that was already in finals, BEAT HIM, and then won a chip the year prior to beating him. Russ never had a fair shake. I’m taking Russ
Russ is better on a weaker team. Kyrie js better on a team with high potential to win.
Who is a better player not what they did in they career? They confuse with they own question
Mf Who Got A Ring
Kyrie better than tatum anytime anyday on the same team easily
Kyrie is a better player in the playoffs and Russ is better in regular season, peak-wise.
Kyrie hate is crazy
Prime Russ on the Raptors that won the chip in place of Fred, Chip or no? Russ as the number 2 to kawhi
fred was a bench player
@@MarzTalksSports so siakam then
@@monkeyDmicono siakiam was a defensive force and had great shot selection they get bounced by 76ers with russ
All these hypotheticals😂😂😂😂😂Kyrie won a chip and Russ didn’t
That’s a dumb argument
Kyrie played with PRIME LEBRON and Russ didn’t 😂😂😂
@@Abbad1579very dumb
@@YER3721 Durant doesn’t exist I see😂
@@Lastnameabdi you putting the dude who couldn’t win without curry on the same level as the dude who beat curry
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